Mostly of the christians are fantasizing to the ICONIZE of JESUS.

the ebonite who became the first christianity they do not even have an Icon of Jesus

but to this present generation the ICON OF JESUS are alll over in the Church and in the market and in the house

they even invented and accept Mary as god mother

and all the Saint.

olabowale:
Except Adam was before everybody else. You name it, Adam was before her (Eve) and him/her (any later person onward). Afterall, he, Adam was the first created by God. All souls of his progenies was brought about through him; the souls were removed from his back!

Now I will not respond to you. This will be my last. Its final. Hopefully this statement about Adam and souls and the existence of his children, regardless who that child is will affect somebody here. The effect will be intense enough that it will wake up the dormant goodness in the person to seek the proper way to worship the Creator, Who is the Cherisher of all things; God Almighty who is One without ascendancy or desendancy. There is no God save He.

@olabowale
Christian theologians work with the scriptures --- not by arbitrary reasoning.

samba123:

Mostly of the christians are fantasizing to the ICONIZE of JESUS.

the ebonite who became the first christianity they do not even have an Icon of Jesus

but to this present generation the ICON OF JESUS are alll over in the Church and in the market and in the house

they even invented and accept Mary as god mother

and all the Saint.

@samba
You are entitled to your own opinion.

imhotep:

@samba
You are entitled to your own opinion.

Could that opinion be the truth

MCUsman:
Could that opinion be the truth

How can it be true when it is based on the doubtful testimony of someone who altered the truth of eye witnesses 570 years after the event(s)

imhotep:

How can it be true when it is based on the doubtful testimony of someone who altered the truth of eye witnesses 570 years after the event(s)

there is no doubt about the belief of the Ebonite the first Christian in Israel because they should be the model of the

entire nation to believe in monotheistic belief of the teaching of Jesus.

WHO WAS HE (IN HEAVEN)? I like to know everyones thought on this.

whoelse would he be,ofcourse he was also d son of God ,sitting at d right of God and interceding for us

Another proof of the Trinity.

http://www.geoffrobinson.net/jewishtopics/angel.html

Exodus 23:20-22 (English Standard Version)
English Standard Version (ESV)
The Holy Bible, English Standard Version Copyright © 2001 by Crossway Bibles, a division of Good News Publishers.



Conquest of Canaan Promised

20(A) "Behold, I send an angel before you to guard you on the way and to bring you to the place that I have prepared. 21Pay careful attention to him and obey his voice;(B) do not rebel against him,(C) for he will not pardon your transgression, for my name is in him.
22"But if you carefully obey his voice and do all that I say, then(D) I will be an enemy to your enemies and an adversary to your adversaries.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2023:20-22;&version=47;

jennykadry:

whoelse would he be,ofcourse he was also d son of God ,sitting at d right of God and interceding for us

another fantasy among you people! Did you see Jesus in the heaven? what heaven he belong?

nother fantasy among you people! Did you see Jesus in the heaven? what heaven he belong?

check ur bible im sure it will answer ur question

jennykadry:

check your bible im sure it will answer your question

I can not find it in the Bible where Jesus are station in the Heaven. there is verse he said the least kingdom of heaven and the other the great kingdom of heaven which is un specify place? can you put this VERSEs here so that i know?

samba123:

another fantasy among you people! Did you see Jesus in the heaven? what heaven he belong?

All the more reason to reject Moh@mmed's fantasies. He never met Jesus, nor did he meet anyone that met Jesus. Where did his stories come from?
It is very easy to claim that an angel reaveled things to him. Anybody can also claim that!!!

@all 2 d POSTER that wants to know who was JESUS before he became a man should check out:-

New International Version (NIV)

Passage Philippians 2:5-11:

5Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
6Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
7but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
9Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.


or better still check out

The Message (MSG) translation version of the bible

Passage Philippians 2:5-11:

5 -8Think of yourselves the way Christ Jesus thought of himself. He had equal status with God but didn't think so much of himself that he had to cling to the advantages of that status no matter what. Not at all. When the time came, he set aside the privileges of deity and took on the status of a slave, became human! Having become human, he stayed human. It was an incredibly humbling process. He didn't claim special privileges. Instead, he lived a selfless, obedient life and then died a selfless, obedient death—and the worst kind of death at that—a crucifixion.

9 -11Because of that obedience, God lifted him high and honored him far beyond anyone or anything, ever, so that all created beings in heaven and on earth—even those long ago dead and buried—will bow in worship before this Jesus Christ, and call out in praise that he is the Master of all, to the glorious honor of God the Father.




Hope all worries should be resolved by now.

@chrisoml
Thanks. Let me re-format and repeat your post in English and Latin -->

English -->

Philippians 2:5-11::

5 Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in very nature[a] God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,

7 but made himself nothing, taking the very nature[b] of a servant, being made in human likeness.

8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death— even death on a cross!

9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,

10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,

11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Latin -->

Phillipians2:5-11:

5 hoc enim sentite in vobis quod et in Christo Iesu

6 qui c'um in forma Dei esset non rapinam arbitratus est esse se aequalem Deo

7 sed semet ipsum exinanivit formam servi accipiens in similitudinem hominum factus et habitu inventus ut homo

8 humiliavit semet ipsum factus oboediens usque ad mortem mortem autem crucis

9 propter quod et Deus illum exaltavit et donavit illi nomen super omne nomen

10 ut in nomine Iesu omne genu flectat caelestium et terrestrium et infernorum

11 et omnis lingua confiteatur quia Dominus Iesus Christus in gloria est Dei Patris

There is another comment, Jesus is not 50% god, 50% man but fully 100% god in Nature

Are we talking here about percentage of Jesus? And an quote of god NATURE do this fellow are delusion’s or he is in sane about his statement?
Tell me what percentage that Jesus(as) miracle can you give he cured those blind people
And the dead who live again and those food he have been feed to his disciple etc?
And why he can’t even tell the future time when somebody ask him?
And why he call God God why you forsake me when he crucify by the Israeli people if he can’t even perform a single miracle in this time of adversary? If he is god he should destroy his creation for abusing him that he is the creator but he die in that stage without any miracle AND NOW PEOPLE ARE CALLING HIM GOD NATURE? WOOW ? Can you give as example when you call him 100% god nature? Did he create any species or tree or something remarkable to be remember lol? Mybe this question you will ignore again and swallow without any proven fact/theory ?

imhotep:

All the more reason to reject Moh@mmed's fantasies. He never met Jesus, nor did he meet anyone that met Jesus. Where did his stories come from?
It is very easy to claim that an angel reaveled things to him. Anybody can also claim that!!!

I react to those posted thread when people comment that Jesus(as) in the right hand of God. without any probe?
If somebody comment you should be specify of what have you been says
Because it reflects to you, again such erroneous beliefs. If anybody say’s that Jesus is in the right hand of God ? how come he know that he is in the right hand such a normal person whatever Religion he belong he will ask this simple question? Did you see/ or anybody see Jesus in the heaven as a living person here in Earth? Of course not even one of you can not probe it where in the heaven he stay with the almighty God.
Not even the founder of the Christianity John or Paul have the answer of that? If so how? Did you visit the heaven?

samba123:


I react to those posted thread when people comment that Jesus(as) in the right hand of God. without any probe?
If somebody comment you should be specify of what have you been says
Because it reflects to you, again such erroneous beliefs. If anybody say’s that Jesus is in the right hand of God ? how come he know that he is in the right hand such a normal person whatever Religion he belong he will ask this simple question? Did you see/ or anybody see Jesus in the heaven as a living person here in Earth? Of course not even one of you can not probe it where in the heaven he stay with the almighty God.
Not even the founder of the Christianity John or Paul have the answer of that? If so how? Did you visit the heaven?

@samba123

I just saw this ==> "Next to Moh@mmed's tomb, there is another empty tomb that M-uslims believe awaits Jesus. "

Taken from here ==> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophet_Mohammed#Death

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Your people in Medina are also waiting for Jesus' return from Heaven. Perhaps you can ask them how they know.

imhotep:

@samba123

I just saw this ==> "Next to Moh@mmed's tomb, there is another empty tomb that M-uslims believe awaits Jesus. "

Taken from here ==> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophet_Mohammed#Death

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Your people in Medina are also waiting for Jesus' return from Heaven. Perhaps you can ask them how they know.

If you just base those wikipedia ideas mostly of the comment came from Christian author’s criticizing Islamic belief. And the footnote mostly are recently circulating in this twenty century with is hypocritical among themselves. We are used to it of the negative comment from the Christian author because of their biased story.

Can you give as example when you call him 100% god nature? Did he create any species or tree or something remarkable to be remember lol? Mybe this question you will ignore again and swallow without any proven fact/theory ?

the purpose of this forum to exchange information, ideas and to have discussions

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I believe that this is important to consider. Lets not get personal, but rather be patient with people for these is one of the characters which has to bear fruit in our lives. My prayer is that many muslims may see the light, and know that indeed Jesus is not a prophet like others were but rather he is from Everlasting to Everlasting.

3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. this is From John 17 (3:5).

God revealed himself as Jesus to mankind that through him, them that believe in him might have eternal life. The bible says that we are also created in the image of God. (Gen 1:26-27)  which means that Jesus as the image of God, he looked like us.

26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [b] and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

27 So God created man in his own image,
       in the image of God he created him;
       male and female he created them.

Jesus came as the image of the invisible God, that he may be called the son of Man and at the same time the son of God, because he came from God and he was God himself. He came that he may take my place and yours,the purnishment which you and i deserved, he gladly saw it necessary to carry it for the whole world. He lived a pure and Holy life, for you and me that those that may accept him may have his rightousness and thus making them to be at right standing with God. 

Otherwise he was God, he is still God and he will forever be God, because he changeth not,

I will explain more next time, remain blessed,

I believe that this is important to consider. Lets not get personal, but rather be patient with people for these is one of the characters which has to bear fruit in our lives. My prayer is that many great ones may see the light, and know that indeed Jesus is not a prophet like others were but rather he is from Everlasting to Everlasting.

Woops, sorry fellows, i meant to say that my prayer is that many may see the light of God, even muslims. Because The bible says that let God be true and every man be a liar. (Romans 3:4). Mahommed was a man just like you, because the word of God says that in Adam, all die that through Jesus all may live. (Romans 4: 19- 21). 19For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

20The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The discussion here is, who was Jesus before he became a man, and i believe i have answered it above this post.

God loves you,

Let us see what you call Jesus(as) 100% god Nature this is just an example people.

This Pauline fabrication is so well embedded in today's teachings of Christianity, "Jesus is God", or "Jesus is Lord" is the number one motto. It is claimed that "Jesus shares the nature of God, and he is in every way like God. "

We will replace the word "Jesus" with "God".

Our intention is not to insult anyone; but rather to highlighting those Christian who are not familiar with the bibles.

(Matthew 7:23). As you see, the doctrine of Trinity, which was fabricated by Paul, and influenced the authors of the Gospels is an insult to God Almighty and to the intelligence of men.

The Birth of "God"
"God" was created from the seed of David: "Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh." (Romans 1:3)

The ancestors of "God":
"The generations of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham." (Matthew 1:1)

The sex of "God": "And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called Jesus." (Luke 2:21)

How Mary conceived and delivered "God":
"The days were accomplished that she should be delivered," (Luke 2:6). "And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered." (Revelation 12:2)

"God" sucked the paps of a woman:
"And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked." (Luke 11:27)

The country of "God":
Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king." (Matthew 2:1)

The occupation of "God":
"Jesus was a carpenter by trade (Mark 6:3), and the son of a carpenter." (Matthew 13:55)

The transport of "God":
"Behold, the King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass." (Matthew 21:5). "And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon." (John 12:14)

The wining and dining "God":
" The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners." (Matthew 11:19; Luke 7:34)

The poverty of "God":
"And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head." (Matthew 8:20).

"God" was a devout Jew:
"And in the morning, rising up a great while before day, he went out, and departed into a solitary place, and there prayed." (Mark 1:35)

The Family of "God"
"God" was the son of Joseph: ", Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph." (John 1:45)

Brother of "God":
"But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother." (Galatians 1:19 and Matthew 13:54-56)

Mother of "God":
"Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, , " (John 19:25)

The Development of "God"
Spiritual development of "God": "And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom." (Luke 2:40)

@samba123
I suggest you meditate on the implications of being 'True God and True Man'.

imhotep:

@samba123
I suggest you meditate on the implications of being 'True God and True Man'.

I don't meditate but the Saint are more on the Meditating technique they praising God an Hour or more

The confession and repentance of "God":
Before the beginning of his public ministry, "Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist (Matthew 3:13), which signified the confession of sins (Matthew 3:6), and repentance from sins (Matthew 3:11).

"God" was twelve years old when his parents took him to Jerusalem: "Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover. and when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast." (Lk. 2:41-42)

The powerless "God":
Jesus said, "I can of mine own self do nothing." (John 5:30)

"God" was ignorant of the hour:
Jesus said, "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." (Mark 13:32)

"God" was ignorant of the season:
"And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he (Jesus) was hungry: And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find anything thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet." (Mark 11:12-13)

"God" was unlettered:
"Now about the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the temple, and taught. And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?" (John 7:14-15)

"God" learned through experience:
"Learned he obedience by the things which he suffered." (Hebrews 50

The Tempting Of "God"
The devil tempted "God" for 40 days: "And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness. And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan." (Mark 1:12-13)



The devil tempted "God" continuously:
"And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season." (Luke 4:13)

Like the sinners, "God" was tempted in all things:
" But (he) was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." (Hebrews 4:15)

True God cannot be tempted with evil:
"God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempeth he any man." (James 1:13)

Only the ungodly are tempted with evil:
"But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own last, and enticed." (James 1:14)

The Racial "God"
"God" was a tribal Jew: "The Lion of the tribe of Juda." (Revelation 5:5)

"God" came for the Jews only:
"But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matthew 15:24)

Racial discrimination of "God":
"These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matthew 10:5-6)

The kingdom of "God":
"And he (Jesus) shall reign over the house of Jacob forever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end." (Luke 1:33)

The titles of "God":
"The King of the Jews". (Matthew 2:2); "The King of Israel". (John 1:49; 12:13)

A "God" Unlike the GodA hungry "God":
"Now in the morning as he returned into the city, he hungered." (Matthew 21:18). "And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry." (Mark 11:12)


A thirsty "God":
"(He) saith, I thirst." (John 19:28)

A sleepy "God":
"He was asleep." (Matthew 8:24). "He fell asleep." (Luke 8:23). "And he was in the hinder part of the ship, asleep on a pillow." (Mark 4:38)

A weary "God":
"Jesus therefore, being wearied with his journey, sat thus on the well." (John 4:6)

A groaning "God":
" He groaned in the spirit, and was troubled." (John 11:33). "Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave." (John 11:38)

A weeping "God":
"Jesus wept." (John 11:35)

A sorrowing "God":
"And (he) began to be sorrowful and very heavy. Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death." (Matthew 26:37-38)

A hysterical "God":
"And (he) began to be sore amazed and to be very heavy." (Mark 14:33)

A weak "God":
"And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him." (Luke 22:43)

The "God" of war:
Jesus said: "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." (Matthew 10:34)

A "God" cursing a tree:
"And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward forever. And presently the fig tree withered away." (Matthew 21:19)


A "God" who did not want to be called "good":
"And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God." (Matthew 10:18)

A "God" who was servant of God:
"Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles." (Matthew 12:18)



A "God" who was prophet of God:
"And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:" (Luke 24:19)

The "God" On the Run
"God" was panic-stricken: "After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him." (John 7:1)

"God" walked in fear of the Jews:
"Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death. Jesus therefore walked no more openly among the Jews." (John 11:53-54)

"God" has shown a clean pair of heels:
"Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand." (John 10:39)

"God" fled in disguise:
"At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds." (John 8:59)

The Capture of "God"
A friend betrayed the hiding place of "God": "And Judas also, which betrayed him, knew the place: for Jesus oft-times resorted thither with his disciples. Judas then, having received a band of men and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons." (John 18:2-3)

"God" was arrested, bound and led away:
"Then the band and the captain and officers of the Jews took Jesus, and bound him, and led him away." (John 18:12-13)

"God" was humiliated:
"And the men that hold Jesus mocked him, and smote him. And when they had blindfolded him, they struck him on the face." (Luke 22:63:64). "Then did they spit in his face, and buffeted him; and others smote him with the palms of their hands." (Matthew 26:67)

"God" was defenseless:
"One of the officers which stood by struck Jesus with the palm of his hand", he said, "Why smitest thou me?" (John 18:22-23)

"God" was condemned to death:
"And they all condemned him to be guilty of death." (Mark 14:64). "They answered and said, He is guilty of death" (Matthew 26:66).

The dumb and docile "God":
"He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth" (Acts 8:32).

The cursed "God" by God:
"Christ had redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hanged on a tree" (Galatians 3:13).

The End of "God"
The dying "God": "And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost" (Mark 15:37).

The dead "God" :
"Christ died" (Romans 5:6). "He was dead" (John 19:33).

The corpse of "God":
"He (Joseph) went to Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be delivered." (Matthew 27:58)

The shroud of "God":
"And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth." (Matthew 27:59)


Now we can analyst the status of Jesus as we replace the word “God” all the verses we have been quoted from the New Testament without any doubt that Jesus(as) was a HUMAN BEING LIKE US.!

He does not shared/joint the nature of God nor was he in every way like God. But he was selected by Almighty God as a messenger o confirm the message of previous messengers to WORSHIP GOD ALONE.

@ samba123


All this came about because the gospel was later on, as the New Jerusalem Bible says, "amplified and developed in several stages during the second half of the first century.

"It would seem that we have only the end-stage of a slow process that has brought together not only component parts of different ages, but also corrections, additions and sometimes even more than one revision of the same discourse." (The New Jerusalem Bible, p. 1739)

The New American Bible says that most scholars "have come to the conclusion that the inconsistencies were probably produced by subsequent editing in which homogeneous materials were added to a shorter original." (The New American Bible, Revised New Testament, p. 143)