ariesbull:


Agbor is not part of benin, historically Agbor fought Benin to stand still and Benin was forced to have a treaty... Benin was so afriad of Agbor that they built a most around their city... The moats are still there till date


So how can Agbor be part of benin yet they are building a most ....

gregyboy:



I have seen you have finally taken you last step to
Official madness

Just guess what....

I cure madness for a living, your own cass is so easy to cure

ariesbull:


For where igbo bit heart benin name? LoL... Igbo wey dey look down on benin as minority

.Ogiso was annihilated and oba came to rule via Oduduwa

That is why oba has a strategic relationship with ile Ife

Etinosa1234:


The moats were built during oguola time... 100 years before the Empire was built...
. Besides there is no account of agbor fighting Benin and forcing a treaty..

If u have the account, show us

Etinosa1234:


Show me proof of a Benin boy having no relationship with Yoruba bearing a Yoruba name and I'll show u proof of an Igbo boy bearing a Benin name...

Forget minority yarns

pazienza:


What supremacy battle? How can Bini that dug trenches all around them to prevent Igboid speaking Ika from invading and dismantling them now come to Issele uku to build outpost to stop Ndiigbo from moving to and from the East and West of the Niger, when ancient Igbo speaking towns exist eight in Edo state. Does it make sense to you?

Ancient Igbo speaking people had always occupied Western and Eastern sides of River Niger before the first Bini man upwalked the Earth.

ariesbull:
yes it means igbo and yoruba influenced the benin... Even the present Obaseki is an igbo man from igbo parents

Go and check your history

Yoruba and igbo influence in benin is high... That was why the igbi supported Obaseki fully

ariesbull:

The moats where built because people were killing the Benin in droves. Agbor fought Benin to stand still... That's why they celebrate igwe festival... Ask anyone from agbor

Igwe festival is a festival to celebrate the defeat of benin

ariesbull:

I lived in benin and I have seen many Idowu they many naaa .... They fill facebook

Etinosa1234:


I've lived in Benin and I never heard of a Benin person bear idowu..... Did u ask them their family greeting?

I've also lived in Anambra and I saw an Igbo Person bear idemudia... Dem full Facebook sef

ariesbull:


Idemudia and ohbemudia is even an igbo word..... Meaning.... ide mu di (y)a (my riches are there ) that's why we have a town called ide mili in Anambra ... Do you have any town called ide.... You see how igbo are making waves... The governor of Edo today is an igbo man

Ohbemudia ( ogbe mu di (y)a) meaning " my quarters or village is there "

In igbo land village or quarters is called ogbe ;

Go and ask around and stop jonesing

Etinosa1234:


The moats were built during oguola time... 100 years before the Empire was built...
. Besides there is no account of agbor fighting Benin and forcing a treaty..

If u have the account, show us

Etinosa1234:

Why don't u ask ur self why Obaseki grand parents left Anioma to Benin?

It was because Benin was better place to leave in than Igbo land...

It is akin to Nigerians moving to Canada for better living... Will u say Nigeria then influence Canada.. Igbos and Yoruba never influenced Benin...

Igbos that were living in hamlets prior to the almagamation of Nigeria wants to influence the great Benin kingdom that was already doing trades with the Portuguese, Dutch , English

Who nor like better thing



For ur info, ur support means nothing if the Edo people didn't come out en masse to vote for him...

Even Yoruba support ize iyamu but did they win with their support without Edo approval?

Etinosa1234:

Why don't u ask ur self why Obaseki grand parents left Anioma to Benin?

It was because Benin was better place to leave in than Igbo land...

It is akin to Nigerians moving to Canada for better living... Will u say Nigeria then influence Canada.. Igbos and Yoruba never influenced Benin...

Igbos that were living in hamlets prior to the almagamation of Nigeria wants to influence the great Benin kingdom that was already doing trades with the Portuguese, Dutch , English

Who nor like better thing



For ur info, ur support means nothing if the Edo people didn't come out en masse to vote for him...

Even Yoruba support ize iyamu but did they win with their support without Edo approval?

Etinosa1234:


Liar... Riches in Igbo is aku or uba... Not ide

.
I've also seen one bearing Osazuwa... U can check Facebook

Come and tell Obaseki that he's Igbo Na...
Someone that doesn't identify with the Igbos

Someone that his great-grandfather left Igbo for greener pastures



This is proof enough that Benin influence Igbos

U guys don't have quarters...what u have is hamlets

ariesbull:


Riches have various names

Aku
Uba
Ide (old igbo )

That's why we have village in Anambra called Ide milli.. the don't kill python the marine god that bring riches ... Their people are called Ide nna


Ask questions ozuor

pazienza:


How is this map precise?
Can you show me Igboland on that map?

The first Igbo speaking place whites visited was Aboh, under Eze Obi Ossai reign. Before then , not much is known about Igbo hinterland.

The Binis probably told the Portuguese that they controlled the whole hinterland East of Bini which led to that ridiculous Portuguese map. But immediately the British got into the hinterland, the maps were modified to reflect reality.

gregyboy:



So you were my senior back then, small world
Have u been to gtss lately, is a shadow of itself

So what set exactly 2010 right

Franchise21:
Send me a pm... We cud talk better

gregyboy:



I just, did chexk it or i could send u my telegram link

nocomment9999:


Stop with your conspiracy theories. Obviously you don't like the fact Benin is recorded as owning the region (the region was part of Benin!) That doesn't give you the right to just make up your own stories and present them as facts.
There is no précolonial country called "igboland" !
As I keep telling you, time changes things, the word Igbo wasn't born the same day God created the earth ! So don't expect that the "Igbo people " have always existed !
Today's reality is different from yesterday's !
And for your information theses maps (I presented several of them, not just one !) were made by people of different nationalities spreading over several centuries.

To make things short: there is no precolonial country called igboland. The term "igboland" was born at a certain date in time (notice it is an anglicised expression copying England: language-land" ). Don't expect to see reference to it before it's birth. The expression "Igboland" was most likely invented by the British.

Stop stupidly attacking eye-witness accounts (extremely precise maps for that matter) only to offer your biased opinions and made up stories.

For your information: old documents are more valid to the study of history then recent documents. You seem to defend the thesis that the most recent précolonial maps are true and older ones are fake. But that is just stupidity from you. A map is just like a picture, it is just like saying your most recent pictures are true and pictures of you as a baby are false.

Also, I presented a map from 1883 which still shows Benin to be what previous maps of the region showed. 1883 is after 1839 in case you are not aware. So before invasions by the british, Benin was still a great empire.

adadike:
chukwu gozie gi Nna. I do learn a lot from you.
Are you saying Aboh is Igbo? Why then did they claim Benin ancestry?

pazienza:
The most powerful and influential races are two--the Aku and the Ibo. The
Akus [Footnote: This is a nickname from the national salutation, 'Aku, ku,
ku?' ('How d'ye do?')] or Egbas of Yoruba, the region behind Lagos, the
Eyeos of the old writers, so called from their chief town, 'Oyo,' are
known by their long necklaces of tattoo. They are termed the Jews of
Western Africa; they are perfect in their combination, and they poison
with a remarkable readiness. The system of Egba 'clanship' is a favourite,
sometimes an engrossing, topic for invective with the local press, who
characterise this worst species of 'trades-union,' founded upon
intimidation and something worse, as the 'Aku tyranny' and the 'Aku
Inquisition.' The national proverb speaks the national sentiment clearly
enough: '_Okàn kau lè ase ibi, ikoko li asi ìmolle bi atoju ìmolle taù, ke
atoju ibi pella, bi aba kû ara enni ni isni 'ni'_ ('A man must openly
practise the duties of kinship, even though he may privately belong to a
(secret) club; when he has attended the club he must also attend to the
duties of kinship, because when he dies his kith and kin are those who
bury him').

The Ibos, or 'Eboes' of American tales, are even more divided; still they
feel and act upon the principle 'Union is strength.' This large and savage
tribe, [b]whose headquarters are at Abo, about the head of the Nigerian
delta[/b]musters strong at Sá Leone; here they are the Swiss of the
community; the Kruboys, and further south the Kabenda-men being the
'Paddies.' It is popularly said that while the Aku will do anything for
money, the Ibo will do anything for revenge. Both races are astute in the
extreme and intelligent enough to work harm. Unhappily, their talents
rarely take the other direction. In former days they had faction-fights:
the second eastern district witnessed the last serious disturbance in
1834. Now they do battle under the shadow of the law. 'Aku constables will
not, unless in extreme cases, take up their delinquent countrymen, nor
will an Ebo constable apprehend an Ebo thief; and so on through all the
different tribes,' says the lady 'Resident of Sierra Leone.' If the
majority of the jury be Akus, they will unhesitatingly find the worst of
Aku criminals innocent, and the most innocent of whites, Ibos, or Timnis
guilty. The Government has done its best to weld all those races into one,
and has failed. Many, however, are becoming Moslems, as at Lagos, and this
change may have a happier effect by introducing the civilisation of
El-Islam.

Trial by jury has proved the reverse of a blessing to most non-English
lands; in Africa it is simply a curse. The model institution becomes here,
as in the United States, a better machine for tyranny than any tyrant,
except a free people, ever invented. The British Constitution determines
that a man shall be tried by his peers. Half a dozen of his peers at Sá
Leone may be full-blooded blacks, liberated slaves, half-reformed
fetish-worshippers, sometimes with a sneaking fondness for Shángo, the
Egba god of fire; and, if not criminals and convicts in their own country,
at best paupers clad in dishclouts and palm-oil. The excuse is that a
white jury cannot be collected among the forty or fifty eligibles in
Freetown. It is vain to 'challenge,' for other negroes will surely take
the place of those objected to. No one raises the constitutional question,
'Are these half-reclaimed savages my peers?' And if he did, Justice would
sternly reply, 'Yes.' The witnesses will forswear themselves, not, like
our 'posters,' for half a crown, but gratis, because the plaintiff or
defendant is a fellow-tribesman. The judge may be 'touched with a
tar-brush;' but, be he white as milk, he must pass judgment according to
verdict. This state of things recalls to mind the Ireland of the early
nineteenth century, when the judges were prefects armed with a penal code,


http://www.gutenberg.org/files/18506/18506-8.txt

Etinosa1234:


The Benin kingdom was already growing by the time the Portuguese came... There is a reason the Portuguese sold weapons to Benin and not to the itsekiri or ijaws or the other tribes that were by the coasts and it was because they saw that the Benin were powerful hence the need to associate with them

Besides . Ewuare expanded the kingdom in the 15th century while the Portuguese started selling arms to Benin in the 16th-17th century

nocomment9999:
Borders change overtime. For example you can take a look at maps of the Roman empire and see how its borders kept changing over time. Don't expect to see a country named France in the era of the Roman empire, France wasn't born yet.

pazienza you need better understanding of the concept of time. It seems you don't understand even the very fondamental fact that your parents were not born old !
Or the fact that your parents have not always existed. Time changes things. So please try and grow up intellectually

pazienza:


Of course nwanne. Ancient Aboh kingdom was Igbo.
In fact the then King of Aboh who the whites met, by name Eze Obi Ossai told the whites that he and his people were Eboes. He also told the whites that the rest of Igbos lived across the Niger and bluffed that he was king of all Igbos. The British called Aboh Eboe town thinking it was the capital city of all Igbos.
You can read the British report of Aboh expedition here.
http://archive.org/stream/narrativeofexped01alle/narrativeofexped01alle_djvu.txt


As for why Aboh claim Bini origin. Bini was a strong kingdom thanks to Portuguese firearms they had monopoly on. Claiming relationship with Bini was a thing of pride and power for many groups around then. It offered protection from Bini and from other neighbours.

Just compare it to how some Igbos are claiming Israeli origin today, just because Israel is a strong military nation. Every minute similarities between Igbo culture and Israel is exaggerated and doctored by Igbos driving this fabrication.

Of course, they will always play down the question on why our language is not in anyway related to Israeli language.

pazienza:


More like they saw expansionist tendency in Bini and decided they were better fit for the job.

Ofunwa111:



You forgot to write the name of the real inferior one amongst you guys; Samuk ..... lol