pazienza:


It States clearly that he wasn't an Edo. He was IBO as his name suggests.

Obi Chukwumalieze1, sitting under the watchful gaze of his grand-father, Obi Okobi, whose majestic influence beamed down from a framed photograph hanging on the wall just above the royal chair, noted that the multiple gifts and talents of Chima, as hunter, blacksmith, brave warrior and sorcerer, had assisted Oba Eweka tremendously in staving off aggressions from neighbours like Dahomey, Songhai and even Ghana and elevated him to the position of a highly respected Chief in the Benin royal palace. “As you know very well, Chima is an Ibo name and the Ibo race is famous for its migratory spirit, especially in search of greener pastures; so there is a connection between him and Arochukwu. He was also a very industrious young man, a farmer, hunter, blacksmith and also a Native Doctor and used his skills to assist Oba Eweka, who in turn appreciated his efforts and elevated him to the position of a very high Palace chief in the kingdom

Its common sense really. No Bini Prince ever bore Ezechima or Igbo names.

samuk:


Like you yourself said earlier there are numerous accounts and probably there are still more reversed versions yet unwritten.

None of these claims and counter narratives borders the average Edo person. Haven't said that, present day Edo people don't have the authority to deny anyone their Edo heritage irrespective of were they may be resident in the world. Edo don't have a comprehensive list of Edo indigines across the world.

The average Edo person is in Edo state minding his business and people in far away, Owerre, Oguta, Onitsha, Ikwerre, ahoada, Kogi, Benue, people across south south, south east, west and middle belt are all coming out without being forced to claim their Edo heritage, what are we supposed to do?

It seems your anger with people like myself is our acknowledgement of these people, I or anyone else doesn't have the authority to deny these people their history. Igbo seems to want to forcibly claim people, Edo don't go looking for people, our people are the ones looking for us. Like they say every child will some day finds his way back home.

Nna be fair for once, it won't hurt, what do you expect Edo people to do, reject their people?

pazienza:


If a stranger you know nothing about wake up one day and start claiming to be your brother, when you know deep inside you that he isn't, as he doesn't even speak your language.

You should be upright enough to recognize they are suffering from mental issue and not try and take advantage of that to start cooking up irrational stories.

Two people cannot be getting mad at same time.

Those are our people who have mental issues. We are trying to see how to get them back to their senses, the last thing we need are Edoids trying to take advantage of their situation to worsen the issues. Why have you chosen to fuel their mental issues by claiming them even when you know deep inside they are not Edoids?

pazienza:


Ancient Bini was a cosmopolitan society with delicate balance of power. The monarchy was of Yoruba origin and it was indeed said that in time past, Yoruba was the language of Bini royal Court.
The Yoruba rulers were not interested in promoting the Edoid language of the subdued Edoid aboriginals, so every one maintained their own language.
It is only recently that the Anti Yoruba sentiment in Bini is at a crescendo with the Yoruba Obas trying to run away from their Yoruba ancestry like the German ruling royal family of England are trying to run away from their German ancestry post WW1 and WW2, that Bini language promotion throughout the kingdom started. And in deed, Bini people have been squeezing the Igbanke and Olodiama people so hard to drop their Igboid and Izon language and names recently. Likewise Usen people who give their people Yoruba names and speak Yoruba are frowned upon by Bini palace.

Bottomline was that Bini empire had a delicate balance of power between the multiethnic entities there, the Edoid aboriginals were never in position to force their language on others, this is why the likes of Ezechima retained their Igbo language and name and why Igbanke still does same today.

samuk:


guy the emotion is real and raw, are you trying to be funny or you are for real. How can you sincerely tag entire communities across the south east, south south and middle belt with their kings mad because they claim to have Edo heritage, Nna, this is too much. Even if all these people drink from the same madness contaminated water source it worth be this effective.

Edo/Benin is like a very wealthy man who had numerous children running into hundreds of thousands in the past and some the descendants of this man are now retracing their roots.

Whilst you guys are trying to expand and build your Igbo Biafra empire/kingdom, the question should have been what is it about Benin that still make people to want to claim it over 100 years after the empire/kingdom ended. Tagging all these people as mad will not help.

gregyboy:




The bini royal stool is never from a yoruba entity,
The benin royal stool is indigenous

Try and steak your mouth to what you know only

Kirigidi:
I know you are not from Agbor reason why you made this ignorant assertion. This should be a simple mission: kindly go to Agbor and ask the indigenes where their ancestors originated from. The Dein of Agbor palace is also there to find out who were the founders of Agbor and cure yourself of ignorance.

gregyboy:




The bini royal stool is never from a yoruba entity,
The benin royal stool is indigenous

Try and steak your mouth to what you know only

pazienza:


Edo is a minority ethnic group . Anioma is even bigger than Bini in population. How exactly can Bini give rise to Anioma? Does it even make sense to you? Especially when we have Anioma speaking communities even right in Edo state as we speak.

Igbo speaking Groups claiming Edo origin are doing so out of mental issues.
They are not alright. Its a form of Stockholm syndrome.
I read colonial report on Western IBO , the white anthropologist were clear to register dissent when they hear irrational bini oral stories there.

The Bini was made to be a strong place by Portuguese. Claiming relationship with Bini became a thing of protection for many groups, so too many irrational stories were concocted.
And know this, wherever this Bini irrational stories exist, there usually authentic Igbo origin stories which is over time suppressed and forgotten for political advantage. The only reason we have Onicha Ugbo coming forth with this Igbo version of the story is because of her tussle with Issele uku. If not, I'm sure we would not have this version.

Even E.A Iduwe in his story on Ika history mentioned this mental issues with groups in Western Igbo being too quick to formulate and promote irrational origin stories from Bini rather than acknowledge migrating from a nearby Igbo speaking groups.
Iduwe was sad that many Ika communities originated from Agbor but because of the spirit of wanting not to be seen as appendages to neighbouring Igboid speaking Agbor, these groups would go on to concoct and promote Bini origin stories, making it very hard to chronicle events.

Look at Bini stories of Ikwerre and Etche recently. This started immediately post 1970, but we now have a generation of Ikwerre people who would swear they came from Bini when common sense will show that Ikwerre are an Igboid people formed by migration of Igboid people from Neighboring Imo and Abia state and Ukwuani and few Ogba and Ekpeye Igboid inputs.


We can't be extending Biafra when the people are already Igbo speaking and has been so since antiquity.
The worse that will happen is that they will become Austria while we become Germany. But they will always remain Igbo speaking people regardless of what they label they choose for themselves.

And the reason I engage in this argument is not because I want them to identify as Igbo, but because they often can't sell this Bini irrational stories without having to taint the story of those of us in SE. They do this by claiming we turned them to Igbo speakers,when our fathers never met them speaking anything but Igbo. This is usually the point of acrimony which when viewed by outsiders tend to paint the image of Igbos forcing them to be Igbo, when the truth is that we only care about the historical distortions.

pazienza:


Don't be ignorant. My relatives are from Isele uku, as my cousin married an Isselle uku man. You don't know more about Issele uku than an Idemili man, we have been intermarrying with our Enu-ani brothers since antiquity, and indeed when Issele uku people came to marry my cousin, we all interacted in Igbo and understood each other.

The Deities in Issele-uku are normal Igbo deities. The name itself is an Igbo name. Naming towns with Ukwu/uku and Nta as suffix is a common Igbo pattern of naming towns in addition to the popular "Umu" prefix.
Hence you have Issele-uku, Onicha-uku, Ogwashi-uku in Enuani, while we have Enugwu-ukwu, Afam-uku,Lokpa-ukwu, Akirika-uku,Igbo-ukwu, etc in South East.

The distance from Issele uku to Ogidi my home town is closer than from Issele uku to Sapele or to Bini, so I don't understand what your rambling is all about.

The entire Anioma of course has relationship with Bini as neighbors and not as brothers, just as entire Nsukka has relationship with Igala as neighbors, entire Ndoki has relationship with "Ijaws" in Bonny and Opobo who are their neighbours, entire Aro,Abiriba, Edda, Ohafia have relationship with their minority neighbors in Cross River state.
It so to be expected. That doesn't make Issele uku Bini people as no Issele uku person can communicate with any Bini man.

You are the desperate Edoid man looking for kinship where non exits. The ruling house in Issele uku are the Umueze family. Does it sound Bini to you? Kings in Issele uku are called Eze with Obi as title, does any of that sound Bini to you?
The kingmakers in Issele uku are the Ogbolis who migrated from Nri.

I am yet to understand why you Edoids would want to be brothers with a people you can't communicate with without using pidgin. If I ask you to pronounce NNEKA now, you will pronounce INEKA , yet you want to force relationship with an NNEKA from Issele uku, where is your shame?

Abagworo:


That fake story of Bini and Ikwerre was concocted recently not even 1970 like you think. Iduu people only got as far as Omoku through Ndoni and never reached Ekpeye. These happened quite recently like few hundred years ago. Ikwerre is Ikwo-ere from Ebonyi while Ekpeye and Ogba have been living side by side with Igbos before some Iduu people were given refuge only for kindness to be repaid with distortion of history. Ekpeye people have come out recently to condemn the distortion and will soon publish their own history which will end the story of Akalaka as Bini man because Akalaka is older than Bini.

ariesbull:


Bennin royal stool is from Yoruba and that is why they loaned the yoruba title of Oba

Also they worship yoruba gods like Ayilara and Sango

pazienza:


Tell what other Edoid group apart from Bini where Oba is used as word for King?

Tell me just one.

I don't fancy Yorubas as I think both of you are trouble makers. But the truth must be said without Bias.

No body that is neutral would not admit that Oba is a Yoruba word.
It is used among all Yoruba groups as a word for king, and not just title of kings.
From Ilaje to Ilorin. Oba remains King in Yoruba speaking realm. The Oba can take any title he wants, but Oba remains the title for king in Yoruba speaking realm.

But in Edo speaking realm. Only Benin whose monarchy is of Yoruba origin use Oba. The Afemai, Akokos, Isoko, Urhobo, etc. Oba has no meaning.
They all use cognates of Edoid word for King, ie Ojie for Esan, Ogie for Bini, and Ovie for Isoko and Urhobo. The Ovies in Urhobo land go by different titles, but they are all called Ovies.

Even in Edoid speaking parts of Ondo, like Ipe, Epinmi, etc. The word for King remains Ogie in their local language, while in keeping to their need to attach to Yorubas, they give their Kings the title of Oba.

gregyboy:



Are you sure there is no word like oba in the various ediod clan lexicon


We have the name oba in the various edoid language representing king, urhobo use the word oba, estako, lagos, isoko, esan, as names and praises


The question is which Yoruba monarchy use the title oba to represent king before 1930 when the ooni of ife adopted it and the others followed


The other various edoid supgroups could also adopt the title oba attached to their title as yorubas did in the 1930, but they choose not to, not to cause confusion, if they did, your confusion will cease to exist and your argument will be baseless

ariesbull:


Bennin royal stool is from Yoruba and that is why they loaned the yoruba title of Oba

Also they worship yoruba gods like Ayilara and Sango

pazienza:


They borrowed the Yoruba goddess of Ocean too. I have forgotten the name.

pazienza:


Oba doesn't mean King in Edoid languages. Its a copied word.
The man with Oba title in Etasko copied as well.
Why is it too hard for Africans to admit the truth?

pazienza:


Oba doesn't mean King in Edoid languages. Its a copied word.
The man with Oba title in Etasko copied as well.
Why is it too hard for Africans to admit the truth?

TAO11:
To buttress your point see attached. (Second attachment is a 168 years old Yoruba dictionary).

Cc: ariesbull

gregyboy:
•••probably their neighbour's akoko edo gave them that name agbede that doesn't equate you to call them yorubas

Again if they were Blacksmith in Benin they should have the benin title for Blacksmith and not a yoruba title

•••The word Yoruba is from fulani meaning cunny does that equate Yoruba are Fulani

samuk:
These Biafra fanatics just write anything to rubbish Benin for the past brutalities they think their people suffered from imperial Benin.

They hardly support any of their positions with historical references, debating or arguing with them is just for fun, they can't be taken seriously.

They and their Yoruba allies who are on the same vendetta mission against Benin history can't provide any evidence to back up their Benin Oduduwa relationship beyond/earlier than 1800s

They can't point to any specific Yoruba monarch that was addressed as Oba before 1824 when the Yoruba was first visited by the Europeans.

Yoruba used the title Oba in general terms until the 1900s when they begin to attached it to their various traditional titles such as the Ooni, Awujale, Alaafin, etc. Whilst we are on the subject, the Igbos and Yorubas should please provide us evidence when the Alaafin and Ooni were first specifically addressed as Oba or when the title Oba specifically appeared alongside their traditional titles.

It's a waste of time debating with those who have an agenda of vendetta, their minds are already made up to believe whatever they want to believe, evidence or not.

TAO11:
To buttress your point see attached. (Second attachment is a 168 years old Yoruba dictionary).

Cc: ariesbull

gregyboy:


This further explains that the Yoruba borrowed the idok ogun from benins

The word for iron in Yoruba is agbede not ogun

Samuk, etinosa, Valirex, Areafada2, nocomment2

TAO11:
Yorubas have them the name, and they accepted it. Are Yorubas their daddies ??

Well, their title is not a Bini title, unfortunately. Agbede is a Yoruba word as any Yoruba dictionary will show.

Show me the dictionary of Hausa/Fulani that says that.

I showed a dictionary in my case for the meaning of Agbede as a Yoruba name.

Cc: ariesbull, pazienza

gregyboy:


This further explains that the Yoruba borrowed the idok ogun from benins

The word for iron in Yoruba is agbede not ogun

Samuk, etinosa, Valirex, Areafada2, nocomment2

TAO11:

Okay! Great to see that you’ve admitted your lies for being silent on them this time around.
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Now to your new jokes.

Iron is not Agbede.

Iron is not Ogun.

Iron is Irin.

Ogun is Yoruba god of Iron.

Show me any text that says Ogun is a Benin god.

Whatever you bring, I will provide a text of over 50 years older.

Cc: Samuk, etinosa, Valirex, Areafada2, nocomment2, ariesbull, pazienza.

gregyboy:

Areafada2, Samuk, TAO11, tao12, obalufon, Ideadoctor, Balogunodua, Etinosa1234 Valirex, Davidnazee

Inshort wtf, are you doing in an edo-igbo thread are you these restless and obnoxious, you certainly need deliverance

Dont come and hijack these thread with your nuisance attitude, the lagos thread hasnt ended yet if you wish to display your madness take it there

We defeated you and your silly brothers there and you're running here to avenge with the igbos

Lol... Obsessed bitch

gregyboy:
Lets see the 50 yrs old text

gregyboy:

Lets see the 50 yrs old text

TAO11:
Let’s see a 5 years text that says Ogun is a Benin deity.

You lied you have to prove your lie.

Stop asking me to help you.
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In case you struggle with English language, here it is again:

IF you provide a 5 years old text; I will counter it with a 50 years old text.

IF you provide a 10 years old text; I will counter it with a 100 years old text

Etc.