HardMirror:

Is this an attempt to avoid giving a cock and bull answer?
If you have a reasonable answer, why not present it with confidence and leave the holy spirit to do the rest?

The answer will not Make sense to you because all other answer more simpler than this was Rejected.

Nairaland is full of the answers

soulpeppersoup:


Those who die without the law are judge without the law.

Before Jesus people died. Jesus gave man power to overcome what had been dominating him.

Its unfortunate people don't know themselves. The day you get to know yourself, you will come to the knowledge of God.

Man is God manifested.

You assume he doesn't know this? He knows

bennyann:


First of all if someone accepts Jesus Christ as his Lord and savior, you'll never know until he acts it out in your presence or voices it out to you. That's because it's a thing of the heart and only God knows the nature of one's heart.

Secondly and most importantly, it isn't my work or duty to bring about conviction. My duty is to preach the good news.

JoyContraMundum, I could have gone further but I've decided to stop here. I wouldn't talk on this issue again and please please forgive me for that.

I replied your pm. Please do have a nice day dear.

I've replied ma.

I can only infer that Hardmirror never experienced the spiritual realm of Christianity. Even though he claimed to born again at a time, he never experienced the heavenly realm .

If you want to know whether anything is real, test the spirit, if it has a spirit , find out if it is a good one or bad one.

If Christianity and Jesus were conjectured by the Romans, how did they manage to infuse the spiritual aspect of it? That is as real as daylight.

How did they inject so much spiritual power to the bible verses so much that eating the word in the bible brings spiritual upliftment and healing.

You know I intend to do something in future, after achieving an enviable feat in my journey of spiritual realm, I wanna introduce Spirituality to Science. Because I have come to realise nothing exists or occurs in the physical without a footing in the spiritual realm.

If Jesus wasn't real, how come is name does wonders (personal experience) , or is it cos i believe? Maybe i might as well believe my pop man's name if it would do any wonder.

skeendyke:


Superb response from the first letter to the last

Dont mind him, he always thought he is smart and can't be vulnerable. He assumed what he write in the op is a checkmate for Christian, but my questions threw him off

He know that the answers were viper, they will come back to bite him.

Lol, this fellow just can't let go, always "thinking" about the Bible. Sorry ehn.

GoodMuyis:


Dont mind him, he always thought he is smart and can't be vulnerable. He assumed what he write in the op is a checkmate for Christian, but my questions threw him off

He know that the answers were viper, they will come back to bite him.

Hahahaha. GoodMuyis, this is good one.

HardMirror:
John 3:16 "for God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life

This is the most popular bible verse and perhaps one of the most popular quotes in the world.

Now we are so busy bleating out this quote, we get carried away and fail to see the fault in logic of the quote.

this very quote made me a christian, this very quote made me dump christianity

Here is a flaw you never noticed perhaps.

1. So God loved the world: the bible did not say he loved Jerusalem. The bible did not say he loved the Middle-east. He loved Africa, loved Asia, Loved Australia, Loved south America, loved Europe, loved North America. God loved all the people living in remote Islands.
This is soooo good to know

the question is, then why did Jesus die in Jerusalem?

Wait... You probably don't understand yet.

According to christianity, the coming and death of Jesus is the most important event EVER in the entire Human History.

You probably still don't get it. I understand the brainwash is that strong.

So God loved the WHOLE world and he gave Jesus for the world. Then in his stupidity wisdom asked men to spread the most important message ever! A message that would save every man, woman and child from eternal damnation, eternal torment, eternal doom. This wise and loving God did not know it would take over 1000years for the message of Jesus to reach America through the Europeans.
What about every tribe in africa? Asia? Europe? Australia? North korea? How long did it take before they even heard of the existence of a man/myth called Jesus?


How many people would have died within that space of time?

So all those people are damned?


If you say no, god would judge them differently, then why spread the story of Jesus at all?

The only reason for this is because the myth of Jesus christ is only a myth created by the romans to put the jews under control. The jews know this and that is why they rejected the story.

wait let me guess, So there for God does not exist? look bro, if u think Atheism is the default position of Christianity, u have not even started free thinking yet, and mind u, I don't know what caused the universe into existence but it's not God is a fallacy from ignorance.

think of it like a Car, there are of different brands Volvo, Toyota, BMW different brands but they are all Cars, same way God exists but is seen differently by different religions at different locations of the world and attributed differently but that doesn't mean God doesn't exist. best u can do is reject the various description but u would still be a theist, a Deist is also a theist too. let me leave u with this logical evidence for Intelligent design , u can think about refuting it by giving an example of a code of produced sans intelligence, also avoid making secular reasoning while at it thanks.

All codes of known origin are a product of intelligence, the DNA is a code therefore it's a product of intelligence. ( deductive logical evidence is Valid Evidence )
+2347034362071 Hit me up, I'm the creator of Nigerian union of deists whatsapp group.

HardMirror:
John 3:16 "for God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life

This is the most popular bible verse and perhaps one of the most popular quotes in the world.

Now we are so busy bleating out this quote, we get carried away and fail to see the fault in logic of the quote.

this very quote made me a christian, this very quote made me dump christianity

Here is a flaw you never noticed perhaps.

1. So God loved the world: the bible did not say he loved Jerusalem. The bible did not say he loved the Middle-east. He loved Africa, loved Asia, Loved Australia, Loved south America, loved Europe, loved North America. God loved all the people living in remote Islands.
This is soooo good to know

the question is, then why did Jesus die in Jerusalem?

Wait... You probably don't understand yet.

According to christianity, the coming and death of Jesus is the most important event EVER in the entire Human History.

You probably still don't get it. I understand the brainwash is that strong.

So God loved the WHOLE world and he gave Jesus for the world. Then in his stupidity wisdom asked men to spread the most important message ever! A message that would save every man, woman and child from eternal damnation, eternal torment, eternal doom. This wise and loving God did not know it would take over 1000years for the message of Jesus to reach America through the Europeans.
What about every tribe in africa? Asia? Europe? Australia? North korea? How long did it take before they even heard of the existence of a man/myth called Jesus?


How many people would have died within that space of time?

So all those people are damned?


If you say no, god would judge them differently, then why spread the story of Jesus at all?

The only reason for this is because the myth of Jesus christ is only a myth created by the romans to put the jews under control. The jews know this and that is why they rejected the story.

where will this take you to .....what do you want to achieve with this post

why are you so concern with those who are long dead .....who is forcing you to spread the story of Jesus .....are you afraid of dying too.

Intrepid01:
I can only infer that Hardmirror never experienced the spiritual realm of Christianity. Even though he claimed to born again at a time, he never experienced the heavenly realm .

If you want to know whether anything is real, test the spirit, if it has a spirit , find out if it is a good one or bad one.

If Christianity and Jesus were conjectured by the Romans, how did they manage to infuse the spiritual aspect of it? That is as real as daylight.

How did they inject so much spiritual power to the bible verses so much that eating the word in the bible brings spiritual upliftment and healing.

You know I intend to do something in future, after achieving an enviable feat in my journey of spiritual realm, I wanna introduce Spirituality to Science. Because I have come to realise nothing exists or occurs in the physical without a footing in the spiritual realm.

If Jesus wasn't real, how come is name does wonders (personal experience) , or is it cos i believe? Maybe i might as well believe my pop man's name if it would do any wonder.

so on point my dear.

A lot of us don't see beyond the physical.....i just pray the power of God lands him someday......i,m a testimony of God's power.

skeendyke:


Unless you persist in lying to yourself, you would see that a counter to this post in respect to this question is nothing but stoking the flame of argument. Go through the religious section and tell me that there's a dearth of write-ups of greater detail, weight and importance on this issue as well as other issues, as dealt with in threads and comments of a number of theists that shouldn't have led to the conversion of atheists before now. While you consistently deny incontrovertible proofs of God's existence through the reports of people who were medically certified dead, brain dead, only to return to life to give their message of the afterlife and it has not lead to the conversion of hundreds of atheists and unbelievers then you expect a counter reply to do that. Are you real?

Like father Abraham in the Word of God told the rich man, you have the prophets. If you don't believe them you will never believe anyone even if he rises from the grave. In addition, if you neither believe the pastors and evangelists nor the testimonies of people concerning the miraculous hand of God in their lives and many with proofs then you will never believe a mere counter reply to a subject that has been over-flogged.

I'll reiterate my earlier post. This isn't about if I believe or not. A lot of people come here just to read comments and some may not be hardcore atheists. Claims of the bolded texts might be prevalent and yielded nothing substantial, despite shrouded in grim reality.

I don't see a sense in countering mysteries with mysteries. God's existence is a mystery yet deciphered, a dead brain cell springs to life even after a doctor's futile prognosis is another mystery. Your alledge proof only aggreviates the confusion and does little of a tranquilizing effect.

Mere you say. Please do not underestimate the extent one can believe a convincing post. The mind works in wonders my friend. Have you left the shores of earth? Don't you believe there's space, the planets, the sun, gravity, even rays not visible?

My point is, do your utmost Christian responsibilities rather than asserting it will spawn nothing in the life of an atheist, it is not in your place to assume that.

Boss13:


There were about 52 Gospels and many of them were written over 200 - 300AD. There was the gospel of Thomas, which many believe to be older than the 4 gospels, gospel of Mary madaglene, acts of Peter, gospel of Judas, acts of Paul and thelan etc

Many of the New testaments were not written by the disciples rather they were written by witnesses. Consequently, there were many variations on the account of Jesus lives and teachings. Some claimed he is divine, others said he was a mere prophet.

These beliefs gave rise to many Christianity sects and likewise disputes. In order to resolve these issues, emperor Constantine called for a meeting of bishops and there is was agreed on what should be canonized and what should be discarded.

Good one.

Christianity was designed to be acceptable to Romans. Anything that was problematic in the Gospels was simply altered. The "big picture" was all that mattered. The fine print could be argued about later by theologians (and that's exactly what happened).

Religion, in the past as now, was not only psychological but also political. A religion, for example, that says that Jews are the chosen people will not be adopted by anyone other than Jews. The Roman Empire certainly wouldn't have embraced it. "Jewish" Christianity had to be Romanised. Christianity was founded after Christ's death and burial, not during his lifetime. Christianity is much more closely related to pagan gods than it is to Yahweh of the Jews.

As for Jesus being "God", this was only established by a vote at the Council of Nicea in 325 CE. In other words, for three centuries there were many people who called themselves Christians who did not necessarily regard Jesus as God. The Jehovah's Witnesses of today are of similar ilk. They call themselves Christians but they follow the tradition of Arius that Jesus is God's first and greatest creation, but is not himself God. If Christians understood the history of Christianity, and weren't some idiots from Neptune, they would stop being Christians. It is the biggest fraud ever perpetrated against humanity.

Phaeze:
Good one.

Christianity was designed to be acceptable to Romans. Anything that was problematic in the Gospels was simply altered. The "big picture" was all that mattered. The fine print could be argued about later by theologians (and that's exactly what happened).

Religion, in the past as now, was not only psychological but also political. A religion, for example, that says that Jews are the chosen people will not be adopted by anyone other than Jews. The Roman Empire certainly wouldn't have embraced it. "Jewish" Christianity had to be Romanised. Christianity was founded after Christ's death and burial, not during his lifetime. Christianity is much more closely related to pagan gods than it is to Yahweh of the Jews.

As for Jesus being "God", this was only established by a vote at the Council of Nicea in 325 CE. In other words, for three centuries there were many people who called themselves Christians who did not necessarily regard Jesus as God. The Jehovah's Witnesses of today are of similar ilk. They call themselves Christians but they follow the tradition of Arius that Jesus is God's first and greatest creation, but is not himself God. If Christians understood the history of Christianity, and weren't some idiots from Neptune, they would stop being Christians. It is the biggest fraud ever perpetrated against humanity.

*Applause!!!!!!!*

Indeed 99.9999% of christians know NOTHING of the history of the bible and the church. They think it fell from heaven.

mack111:

I'll reiterate my earlier post. This isn't about if I believe or not. A lot of people come here just to read comments and some may not be hardcore atheists. Claims of the bolded texts might be prevalent and yielded nothing substantial, despite shrouded in grim reality.

I don't see a sense in countering mysteries with mysteries. God's existence is a mystery yet deciphered, a dead brain cell springs to life even after a doctor's futile prognosis is another mystery. Your alledge proof only aggreviates the confusion and does little of a tranquilizing effect.

Mere you say. Please do not underestimate the extent one can believe a convincing post. The mind works in wonders my friend. Have you left the shores of earth? Don't you believe there's space, the planets, the sun, gravity, even rays not visible?

My point is, do your utmost Christian responsibilities rather than asserting it will spawn nothing in the life of an atheist, it is not in your place to assume that.

My duty as a Christian is done. If you persist in deceiving yourself you're free.

https://www.google.com.ng/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea&ved=0ahUKEwiik6mPxdvRAhWpKMAKHYJoDFUQFggYMAA&usg=AFQjCNHo8SiJ4Q15gnXMt1V8sNFcnk_kkA&sig2=kbZaHOA6G0Pl2cPMWw66Xw


Christians should tap on this link and read it with a free and clear mind.

urheme:


where will this take you to .....what do you want to achieve with this post

why are you so concern with those who are long dead .....who is forcing you to spread the story of Jesus .....are you afraid of dying too.

God Increase you

Kondomatic:
Hardmirror: Jesus is myth.


Seun: Not everything written in the Bible is false.

Zuckerberg: There was a time I asked those questions but I have realized that religion is good.

Seun is getting closer to where Mark is while hardmirror is wandering directionlessly in the wilderness with no map, no gps.

I hope he finds his way.

exactly... giving heed to doctrines of devils will result to his current state

HardMirror:
John 3:16 "for God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life

This is the most popular bible verse and perhaps one of the most popular quotes in the world.

Now we are so busy bleating out this quote, we get carried away and fail to see the fault in logic of the quote.

this very quote made me a christian, this very quote made me dump christianity

Here is a flaw you never noticed perhaps.

1. So God loved the world: the bible did not say he loved Jerusalem. The bible did not say he loved the Middle-east. He loved Africa, loved Asia, Loved Australia, Loved south America, loved Europe, loved North America. God loved all the people living in remote Islands.
This is soooo good to know

the question is, then why did Jesus die in Jerusalem?

Wait... You probably don't understand yet.

According to christianity, the coming and death of Jesus is the most important event EVER in the entire Human History.

You probably still don't get it. I understand the brainwash is that strong.

So God loved the WHOLE world and he gave Jesus for the world. Then in his stupidity wisdom asked men to spread the most important message ever! A message that would save every man, woman and child from eternal damnation, eternal torment, eternal doom. This wise and loving God did not know it would take over 1000years for the message of Jesus to reach America through the Europeans.
What about every tribe in africa? Asia? Europe? Australia? North korea? How long did it take before they even heard of the existence of a man/myth called Jesus?


How many people would have died within that space of time?

So all those people are damned?


If you say no, god would judge them differently, then why spread the story of Jesus at all?

The only reason for this is because the myth of Jesus christ is only a myth created by the romans to put the jews under control. The jews know this and that is why they rejected the story.

D problem I have with some people is that, they r trying every means to refute Christianity all because of their evil act which God promise to judge. n dey felt that if they can amass people to ignore n criticize Christianity dey ll find d joy dey r looking for, (i bet u'll never find) which u can never have except dey repent n gve their life to jesus.. (the truth exist no matter how or what u felt)
Come to think of it. how will u measure morality if deres no jesus n on what basis will d unjust and d just man be weighed. who's responsible for forgiveness of our past sin if we actually want to turn a new leave(d government or who?). Which religion actually touch morality to the extent of our intents. You'll rather be looking for a trust Worthy person to do work for u Dan for u to be a trustworthy person. We'll let me add DS to it God ll nt only bring all your works to judgement but hell awaits you except u repent

holuhsheun:


D problem I have with some people is that, they r trying every means to refute Christianity all because of their evil act which God promise to judge. n dey felt that if they can amass people to ignore n criticize Christianity dey ll find d joy dey r looking for, (i bet u'll never find) which u can never have except dey repent n gve their life to jesus.. (the truth exist no matter how or what u felt)
Come to think of it. how will u measure morality if deres no jesus n on what basis will d unjust and d just man be weighed. who's responsible for forgiveness of our past sin if we actually want to turn a new leave(d government or who?). Which religion actually touch morality to the extent of our intents. You'll rather be looking for a trust Worthy person to do work for u Dan for u to be a trustworthy person. We'll let me add DS to it God ll nt only bring all your works to judgement but hell awaits you except u repent

everything else you typed are hardly of any business to me except the part about morality,

I want to engage you in the morality debate, bring it on by quoting me with your best shot, let's do this

holuhsheun:


D problem I have with some people is that, they r trying every means to refute Christianity all because of their evil act which God promise to judge. n dey felt that if they can amass people to ignore n criticize Christianity dey ll find d joy dey r looking for, (i bet u'll never find) which u can never have except dey repent n gve their life to jesus.. (the truth exist no matter how or what u felt)
Come to think of it. how will u measure morality if deres no jesus n on what basis will d unjust and d just man be weighed. who's responsible for forgiveness of our past sin if we actually want to turn a new leave(d government or who?). Which religion actually touch morality to the extent of our intents. You'll rather be looking for a trust Worthy person to do work for u Dan for u to be a trustworthy person. We'll let me add DS to it God ll nt only bring all your works to judgement but hell awaits you except u repent

Hehehehehe
Funny, childish and Petty

You quoted me but failed to address the issues I raised. When I say most of you are not intelligent, you feel insulted, but it is the truth. You can't make logical arguments, but are driven by EMOTIONS.

HardMirror:

Hehehehehe
Funny, childish and Petty

You quoted me but failed to address the issues I raised. When I say most of you are not intelligent, you feel insulted, but it is the truth. You can't make logical arguments, but are driven by EMOTIONS.

Dnt really wants to argue with you because I knw u wnt accept defeat, u ve bin deluded. ur sins r troubling u.. Only jesus can gv peace of mind bro

hopefulLandlord:


everything else you typed are hardly of any business to me except the part about morality,

I want to engage you in the morality debate, bring it on by quoting me with your best shot, let's do this

okk what's ur stand on morality

holuhsheun:

okk what's ur stand on morality

give YOUR own stand first, I said you should give it your best shot remember?

but I'll indulge anyways, Morality is subjective or intersubhective but not arbitrary and definitely not Absolute

holuhsheun:

Dnt really wants to argue with you because I knw u wnt accept defeat, u ve bin deluded. ur sins r troubling u.. Only jesus can gv peace of mind bro

Address the OP or shut up

www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/what-happens-to-people-that-have-not-heard-the-gospel-of-jesus/

www.biblequery.org/Doctrine/NeverHeardTheGospel/WhatAboutThoseWhoDiedBeforeHearingTheGospel.htm


Hardmirror and his babyish, mediocre and nonchalant atheistic views. If you look at the way he projects his arguements, picking seeming loose ends from the Holy Bible, you can conclude he is pained, from what? I don't know.


Even baby Christians ask these kind of questions so this is not atheism, if there is anything like that...

Since, the beginning, God has various means of reaching to people to accept Jesus Christ, because Jesus Christ is the only Way to Heaven, take it or leave it, if you want to argue, I won't indulge you; so as I was saying God has various means - through conscience, through angelic visitations, through His humanly impossible creations, through other humans and many other means.

Abraham, did he know Jesus Christ? No, but he is in heaven with a place/bosom named after him.

Enoch, Elijah, Noah, Elisha, Abel, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David, Samuel, Esther, Deborah, Gideon, Sarah, Rehab, Ruth, Daniel and many others, how many of them knew or saw Jesus Christ? None but they all went to heaven through Jesus Christ!

The Patriachs did not even know God or Jesus but because they sought Him, he revealed Himself to them. That is God the Father for you, if you don't care about Him, He won't give a damn about you.
Now, those who sought Him did not start seeking Him in a day, they at first marvelled at His wonders, His creations, the vastness of His universe so complex built with so much detail, they then acknowledged of a Creator and sought Him and God showed forth.

Now there are others who thought like them and even better but did not acknowledge because if others like Abraham thought and acknowledged God, it means those who did not acknowledge rebelled against knowing God or acknowledging Him.

Likewise also Abraham and the rest would have preached about the God they knew, some accepted, some did not, even Haggar called upon Him because of the works of God in Abraham life.

See, in those days, from the conception of the nation Israel, there is no one that did not know of the God of Israel, they knew He was the KOKO, the main the main God, so what kind of question are you posing with?

Even after Jesus came, some who haven't heard died but I can assure you that all those who did good or were doing good heard of Jesus Christ and accepted Him before they died Acts 10

This is to butress my point that Jesus is the only way to Heaven:
1 Peter 3:18-19 says Christ went and preached to those in prison - hell both to the righteous and evildoers.

Why is it that not everyone in hell went to heaven after that?

Because not all was qualified!
Who wouldn't give his life to Christ, who at that time was made manifest to them in all His glory and power knowing fully well and seeing practically He can and will deliver you if you accept Him? I mean who wouldn't? Psalm 24:7-10
So, everybody accepted Jesus Christ but not all qualified to leave hell into heaven.
Yes, the righteous ones who lived at peace with all men to the best of their ability, went to heaven but the evildoers couldn't because they had to settle some issues they had while they were humans with some humans on earth!

And the Bible says in Hebrew 9:27 that a man dies once, after death judgement. Therefore those evildoers couldn't return to earth, missing the only first and last chance to escape the pangs of hell.
What a pity!



#AcceptJesusChristToday

HardMirror:

*Applause!!!!!!!*

Indeed 99.9999% of christians know NOTHING of the history of the bible and the church. They think it fell from heaven.

you don't need to know anything about the Bible to experience the power of God....word or no word the spirit of God moves.

the Letter killeth....there is a spirit behind the word....and that is the one you should be connecting with.

GoodMuyis:


God Increase you

Amen to the prayer.

HardMirror:

Address the OP or shut up

you are not nice.....

you are fierce and cranky ....... i rebuke that silly spirit in you in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen

Kondomatic:
Seun: Not everything written in the Bible is false.

The same can be said about virtually any book, so it's not really an endorsement of the bible.