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Why Did God Say He Hated Esau? by xxxtedyxxx(m): 7:12pm On Jan 29, 2017 |
I still don't know why God loved Jacob and hated Esau. CC lalasticlala ishilove Background story.
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Re: Why Did God Say He Hated Esau? by xxxtedyxxx(m): 7:14pm On Jan 29, 2017 |
When Isaac had grown old and felt like he was approaching his deathbed, he decided to give his father's blessing to his oldest son, Esau. Isaac had lost his vision at that point of his life and he wanted Esau to bring him some venison so Esau went out to the field to hunt for his father. While Esau was in the field, Isaac's wife heard what was going on and came up with a plan to deceive her husband and make him give the father's blessing to Jacob instead. So she told her plan to Jacob, and this is how the story went: Rebekah: I heard your father ask your brother to bring him some venison so he could give him the firstborns blessing. I want you to bring me a couple of goats from the herd and I will prepare them so that your father will think they are venison and then you can pretend like you are Esau and he will give the blessing to you. Jacob: But, my brother Esau is hairy. What happens if my father touches me and finds out that I'm not Esau? Then he'll think I'm trying to deceive him (DUH! Why do you think he would think that) and he will give me a curse instead of a blessing. Rebekah: Don't worry about any curse, you just do what I say. (Genesis 27:6-13)
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Re: Why Did God Say He Hated Esau? by xxxtedyxxx(m): 7:22pm On Jan 29, 2017 |
So Rebekah takes the goats and prepares them the way Isaac likes and puts the goat skins on Jacob's hands and neck. Jacob takes the meat to his father and the conversation goes like this: Jacob: Dad? Isaac: I'm right here. Who is there? Jacob: It's me, your firstborn son, Esau. I brought the meat you asked for. Come eat it and give me your blessing. Isaac: Wait a minute. How were you able to find a deer so quickly? Jacob: God brought a deer to me. Isaac: Hmmm...come over here so I can feel you and make sure you are my son Esau and not some deceptive imposter. |
Re: Why Did God Say He Hated Esau? by xxxtedyxxx(m): 7:24pm On Jan 29, 2017 |
Jacob has not only lied to his father to steal his brother's property but he has brought GOD into his lie. God should have struck him dead, but for some unknown reason, God didn't. Jacob approached his father and his father felt the goat fur on his hands and neck. Isaac says "You have the voice of Jacob but the hands of Esau." To make sure he wasn't being deceived, Isaac asked Jacob one more time, "Are you really my son Esau?" Jacob stuck to his lie, telling his father that he was indeed his brother. So Isaac blessed Jacob with the blessing that was meant for Esau. Right after Jacob left his father's tent, the real Esau showed up with his meat. Now the truth becomes clear to Isaac; his son has deceived him, but for some strange reason, the blessing must stand as it was given. Isaac was only able to give Esau a lesser blessing now. This reveals an interesting aspect of the Hebrews' understanding of "blessings," and that is that once given, they cannot be rescinded. You would think that once Isaac realized he had been deceived that he would have been able to take back the blessing which Jacob had gained by deception, but that isn't what happened. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Say He Hated Esau? by xxxtedyxxx(m): 7:24pm On Jan 29, 2017 |
Jacob has not only lied to his father to steal his brother's property but he has brought GOD into his lie. God should have struck him dead, but for some unknown reason, God didn't. Jacob approached his father and his father felt the goat fur on his hands and neck. Isaac says "You have the voice of Jacob but the hands of Esau." Tomake sure he wasn't being deceived, Isaac asked Jacob one more time, "Are you really my son Esau?" Jacob stuck to his lie, telling his father that he was indeed his brother. So Isaac blessed Jacob with the blessing that was meant for Esau. Right after Jacob left his father's tent, the real Esau showed up with his meat. Now the truth becomes clear to Isaac; his son has deceived him, but for some strange reason, the blessing must stand as it was given. Isaac was only able to give Esau a lesser blessing now. This reveals an interesting aspect of the Hebrews' understanding of "blessings," and that is that once given, they cannot be rescinded. You would think that once Isaac realized he had been deceived that he would have been able to take back the blessing which Jacob had gained by deception, but that isn't what happened. |
Re: Why Did God Say He Hated Esau? by xxxtedyxxx(m): 7:29pm On Jan 29, 2017 |
Isaac blessed Jacob with the following: Therefore God give thee of the dew of heaven, and the fatness of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine:" - Genesis 27:28 Since God is the one who fulfills the blessing, this story suggests that God can be cheated and he can't do what is just and right by giving the blessing to the one who was supposed to get it (Esau). How very limited is the God of the Bible! When Esau learns that his brother has once again cheated him out of what should belong to him, he vows to have justice. Rebekah sends Jacob away to live with relatives for over 14 years to keep him safe from his brother's justifiable wrath. But Esau stays with his father and cares for him in his old age rather than pursue his deceptive brother and get his revenge. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Say He Hated Esau? by xxxtedyxxx(m): 7:35pm On Jan 29, 2017 |
Jacob eventually returns to the land of his father but he realizes that his brother has vowed to kill him for all the injustices he has made his brother so he decides to send messengers out to meet his brother's men. The messengers are told to tell Esau that his brother Jacob is coming home with lots of animals and servants but the messengers come back to Jacob telling him that Esau is already coming to meet them and that he has 400 men with him. Jacob realizes that he is in dire straights and that justice is about to meet him head on so he divides his group into two groups so that if Esau and his men attack the first group, the second group will have a chance to escape. Then Jacob prepares a bribe of goats, sheep, camels, cattle and sends them out to meet Esau in the hopes of gaining his mercy. That night a man wrestled with Jacob and when Jacob defeated the "man" we discover that it was not a man but God himself which Jacob had been wrestling. After this wrestling match, Jacob's name is changed to "Israel" because he was able to wrestle with God and prevail. Jacob confirms that it is God that h wrestled with when he says, "I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (Genesis 32:30) |
Re: Why Did God Say He Hated Esau? by xxxtedyxxx(m): 7:50pm On Jan 29, 2017 |
Finally Esau's men approach Jacob and we get to see Jacob's bravery at its best. He puts his wives. and children in front of himself, placing the wife he hated (Leah) and her children and handmaids in front of the wife he loved (Rachel) and leaving himself cowering behind them all. (Genesis33:1-2) What happens next is one of the most touching scenes of human brotherly love and kindness exhibited in the Bible. Esau, the brother who has been abused and mistreated by his own twin all of his life, doesn't strike out at his brother, but he bows down before each of the wives he passes and runs to his brother, Jacob, taking him in his arms and crying on his neck. When he learns that the flocks he passed were a gift, he refuses to accept them saying that he has more than enough already. His love for his brother has driven the need for vengeance out of his heart and he welcomes Jacob back home with all the love a brother can muster (Genesis 33:3-9). |
Re: Why Did God Say He Hated Esau? by RealLordZeus(m): 7:51pm On Jan 29, 2017 |
Sarcasm of the highest order.... |
Re: Why Did God Say He Hated Esau? by xxxtedyxxx(m): 7:54pm On Jan 29, 2017 |
How does God respond to this act of love and
mercy? The Bible tells us that God hated Esau
(Romans 9:13) but loved Jacob. Why is this? Asin....i am not understanding. Why hate the goood guy and love the theif? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Did God Say He Hated Esau? by Seun(m): 8:20pm On Jan 29, 2017 |
Reason: the people who wrote the story didn't think about it that way. They were just trying to create a backstory for their tribe and their God. 17 Likes 7 Shares |
Re: Why Did God Say He Hated Esau? by Likei(m): 8:39pm On Jan 29, 2017 |
I don't believe in fairy tales, this story is for those in kindergarten. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Did God Say He Hated Esau? by xxxtedyxxx(m): 9:00pm On Jan 29, 2017 |
One would expect the deceiver to be punished, instead, he gets all the blessings at the end. This whole story belies the whole idea of a just god. Xtians experts should fall in here and explain better, I might just be missing something. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Did God Say He Hated Esau? by xxxtedyxxx(m): 10:10pm On Jan 29, 2017 |
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Re: Why Did God Say He Hated Esau? by blackjack21(m): 11:07pm On Jan 29, 2017 |
xxxtedyxxx: Experts? Twisters! |
Re: Why Did God Say He Hated Esau? by mrmrmister: 11:15pm On Jan 29, 2017 |
Seun: You took the words out of me. The bible is filled with feeble stories that fall apart when scrutinized 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Did God Say He Hated Esau? by GoodMuyis(m): 11:18pm On Jan 29, 2017 |
Am coming - Am back. Now siince you Cut and Paste someone else work without referencing back to him/her, You will get not answer from me Learn to respect others Work https://totseans.com/totse/en/religion/christianity/thingsyouwonth179100.html 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Say He Hated Esau? by platinumphotos: 11:40pm On Jan 29, 2017 |
Hmmm, Kudos to the OP, you have created an interesting story line from the Bible. But you got it wrong by quoting the aspect of the bible where God said he loved Jacob and hated Esau last. That scriptures should have been quoted first because God made that statement right from the time they were in their mother's womb before their birth. So, the button line is that God didn't love Jacob because of is actions or inactions, neither did he hate Esau because of his actions or inactions, He choses those He loves, that's why He alone is called the ALLMIGHTY! Hs said, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy. Let's all pray to be on God's good books. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Did God Say He Hated Esau? by alchemist13: 11:43pm On Jan 29, 2017 |
Cause he's a self-servicer? |
Re: Why Did God Say He Hated Esau? by alchemist13: 11:45pm On Jan 29, 2017 |
alchemist13:God, I hate NL word policing. Ruined the thrust (get it?) of my comment there. |
Re: Why Did God Say He Hated Esau? by Wilgrea7(m): 1:23am On Jan 30, 2017 |
this was one of the stories in the bible that made me think deep... |
Re: Why Did God Say He Hated Esau? by Elnino4ladies: 3:19am On Jan 30, 2017 |
platinumphotos: Is God impartial? Why love one and hate the other? 2 Likes |
Re: Why Did God Say He Hated Esau? by Elnino4ladies: 3:22am On Jan 30, 2017 |
GoodMuyis: You coward Answer him or STFU |
Re: Why Did God Say He Hated Esau? by xxxtedyxxx(m): 6:36am On Jan 30, 2017 |
GoodMuyis: thats because you have no answers to give...lol..keep lurking in the shadows. |
Re: Why Did God Say He Hated Esau? by xxxtedyxxx(m): 6:38am On Jan 30, 2017 |
Elnino4ladies:lol...no mind am....he has nothing to offer or contribute. |
Re: Why Did God Say He Hated Esau? by xxxtedyxxx(m): 6:43am On Jan 30, 2017 |
platinumphotos: i thought god was supposed to be no respecter of persons. The concept of loving one, and hating the order for no just cause is favourtism at his best. how about jacob lying with the name of god? I wonder y we always blame yahoo boy pastors when they lie using gods name. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Did God Say He Hated Esau? by Timzy16(m): 6:54am On Jan 30, 2017 |
xxxtedyxxx:u hv 2 read ur bible deligently, jacob apologized esua for what he did bt esua did not forgive him, jacob sent him a lot of goods bt esua did not still forgive, God knowing all heart knew the heart of Jacob dat is now pure towards esua and esua has an unfogiving spirit now said esua i hate due to his unfogiveness(sin) and jacob i love 4 apologizing esua. dere z no unrighteous with God. Remb d word of God if ure broda tresspass against u forgive him. |
Re: Why Did God Say He Hated Esau? by Wilgrea7(m): 8:56am On Jan 30, 2017 |
Timzy16: the story seems to disagree with your post.. Esau forgave Jacob... he even hugged him when he saw him.. and no where in the bible did it state that Jacob was sorry for what he did.. he deceived his brother purposefully.. his brother and his father.. the deed was done.. there is no justification for that.. Esau wasn't even the one with the hard heart.. the story disagrees with your post 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Say He Hated Esau? by platinumphotos: 9:59am On Jan 30, 2017 |
[quote author=xxxtedyxxx post=53252590] i thought god was supposed to be no respecter of persons. The concept of loving one, and hating the order for no just cause is favourtism at his best. how about jacob lying with the name of god? I wonder y we always blame yahoo boy pastors when they lie using gods name. [/quovte] The Apostle Paul explains better, given us insight into the concept of God's Mercy and choice. Romans 9:11-16 11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth 12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. |
Re: Why Did God Say He Hated Esau? by platinumphotos: 10:02am On Jan 30, 2017 |
[quote author=Elnino4ladies post=53251344] The Apostle Paul explains better, given us insight into the concept of God's Mercy and choice. Romans 9:11-16 11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth 12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. |
Re: Why Did God Say He Hated Esau? by GoodMuyis(m): 10:35am On Jan 30, 2017 |
xxxtedyxxx: Did you asked question? NO Are you a Bible Student? NO Are you seeking knowledge? NO Are you a Joker? O yea, YES 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Say He Hated Esau? by tintingz(m): 10:37am On Jan 30, 2017 |
Sound like a fairytale. |
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