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Poll: Who Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived?

Jesus Christ: 51% (29 votes)
Mohammad: 39% (22 votes)
Paul: 0% (0 votes)
Isaac Newton: 3% (2 votes)
Leonard da Vinci: 5% (3 votes)
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Who Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived by TrueSeeker(m): 12:38pm On Dec 30, 2009
CAN any man unquestionably be called the greatest man who ever lived? How do you measure a man’s greatness? By his military genius? his physical strength? his mental prowess?

The historian H. G. Wells said that a man’s greatness can be measured by ‘what he leaves to grow, and whether he started others to think along fresh lines with a vigor that persisted after him.’ Wells, although not claiming to be a Christian, acknowledged: “By this test Jesus stands first.”
Alexander the Great, Charlemagne (styled “the Great” even in his own lifetime), and Napoleon Bonaparte were powerful rulers. By their formidable presence, they wielded great influence over those they commanded. Yet, Napoleon is reported to have said: “Jesus Christ has influenced and commanded His subjects without His visible bodily presence.”

By his dynamic teachings and by the way he lived in harmony with them, Jesus has powerfully affected the lives of people for nearly two thousand years. As one writer aptly expressed it: “All the armies that ever marched, and all the navies that ever were built, and all the parliaments that ever sat, all the kings that ever reigned, put together have not affected the life of man upon this earth as powerfully.”

Yes, think about it. Even calendars today are based on the year that Jesus was thought to have been born. “Dates before that year are listed as B.C., or before Christ,” explains The World Book Encyclopedia. “Dates after that year are listed as A.D., or anno Domini (in the year of our Lord).”

So what do you think?
Re: Who Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived by Tudor6(f): 12:53pm On Dec 30, 2009
Its Hugh Hefner. . . .the man who brought por.nography to the mainstream. . . . grin
Re: Who Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived by Tudor6(f): 12:53pm On Dec 30, 2009
Na wa for this censorship software o.

Po.rnography = indecency
Re: Who Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived by lawrence83: 1:10pm On Dec 30, 2009
@poster
From ur posts, u r telling me is Jesus Christ right?

What do i Think? you r absolutely Cowrong grin Correct
Re: Who Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived by AbuZola3(m): 1:12pm On Dec 30, 2009
Prophet Muhammad is the greatest man
Re: Who Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived by mrperfect(m): 1:13pm On Dec 30, 2009
A greatest Man ever living is ME (Mr Perfect)
Re: Who Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived by lawrence83: 1:19pm On Dec 30, 2009
mrperfect:

A greatest Man ever living is ME (Mr Perfect)
Even Gurumahajii admits that too cool cool
Re: Who Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived by mrperfect(m): 1:58pm On Dec 30, 2009
Well, I don't know him, I know myself of whom God says I am.
Re: Who Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived by TrueSeeker(m): 2:17pm On Dec 30, 2009
@Abu Zola
Prophet Muhammad is the greatest man

How can Muhammad be greater than Jesus when he, himself (Muhammad) confirmed Jesus as the Messiah. Or you haven't read that in Quran? Even here we are talking about achievements.

Imagine one of Jesus Christ teaching: “All things, therefore, that YOU want men to do to YOU, YOU also must likewise do to them; this, in fact, is what the Law and the Prophets mean."
What a golden rule. How different do you think our world will be if only we can all follow this Christ teaching? Do Muhammad made similar teaching, if he do perhaps he copy it from is Leader Jesus the Messiah
Re: Who Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived by theseeker2: 2:26pm On Dec 30, 2009
The verdict is in. Muhammad Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived

"MUHAMMAD WAS THE MOST SUCCESSFUL OF ALL RELIGIOUS PERSONALITIES." Encyclopedia Britannica, 11th Edition


1. IF GREATNESS OF PURPOSE, SMALLNESS OF MEANS AND ASTOUNDING RESULTS [The full quotation from Lamartine's book will be found in appendix''B" page 61.] ARE THE THREE CRITERIA OF HUMAN GENIUS, WHO COULD DARE TO COMPARE ANY GREAT MAN IN MODERN HISTORY WITH MUHUMMED? {Lamartine ends his lengthy segment of literary masterpiece with the words): . . . PHILOSOPHER, ORATOR, APOSTLE, LEGISLATOR, WARRIOR, CONQUEROR OF IDEAS, RESTORER OF RATIONAL BELIEFS, OF A CULT WITHOUT IMAGES: THE FOUNDER OF TWENTY TERRESTRIAL EMPIRES AND OF ONE SPIRITUAL EMPIRE, THAT IS MUHUMMED. AS REGARDS ALL STANDARDS BY WHICH HUMAN GREATNESS MAY BE MEASURED, WE MAY WELL ASK, IS THERE ANY MAN GREATER THEN HE? Lamartine, "Historie de la Turquie," Paris 1854

2. HE WAS CAESAR AND POPE IN ONE, BUT HE WAS POPE WITHOUT THE POPE'S PRETENTIONS, AND CAESAR WITHOUT THE LEGIONS OF CAESAR: WITHOUT A STANDING ARMY, WITHOUT A BODYGUARD, WITHOUT A PALACE, WITHOUT A FIXED REVENUE; IF EVER ANY MAN HAD THE RIGHT TO SAY THAT HE RULED BY THE RIGHT DIVINE, IT WAS MOHAMMAD, FOR HE HAD ALL THE POWERS WITHOUT ITS INSTRUMENTS AND WITHOUT ITS SUPPORTS." R. Bosworth Smith -Mohammad and Mohammadanism", London 1874, p. 92



3. "MY CHOICE OF MUHAMMAD TO LEAD THE LIST OF THE WORLD'S MOST INFLUENTIAL PERSONS MAY SURPRISE SOME READERS AND MAY BE QUESTIONED BY OTHERS, BUT HE WAS THE ONLY MAN IN HISTORY WHO WAS SUPREMELY SUCCESSFUL ON BOTH THE RELIGIOUS AND SECULAR LEVEL."
SINCE THERE ARE ROUGHLY TWICE  AS MANY CHRISTIANS IN THE WORLD, IT MAY INITIALLY SEEM STRANGE THAT MUHAMMAD HAS BEEN RANKED HIGHER THAN JESUS. THERE ARE TWO PRINCIPAL REASONS FOR THAT DECISION.
FIRST, MUHAMMAD PLAYED A FAR MORE IMPORTANT ROLE IN THE EVELOPMENT OF ISLAM THAN JESUS DID IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF CHRISTIANITY. ALTHOUGH JESUS WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAIN ETHICAL AND MORAL PRECEPTS OF CHRISTIANITY (INSOFAR AS THESE DIFFERED FROM JUDAISM), ST. PAUL WAS THE MAIN DEVELOPER OF CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY, ITS PRINCIPAL
PROSELYTIZER, AND THE AUTHOR OF A LARGE PORTION OF THE NEW TESTAMENT.
MUHAMMAD, HOWEVER, WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR BOTH THE THEOLOGY OF ISLAM AND ITS MAIN ETHICAL AND MORAL PRINCIPLES. IN ADDITION, HE PLAYED THE KEY ROLE IN PROSELYTIZING THE NEW FAITH, AND IN ESTABLISHING THE RELIGIOUS PRACTICES OF ISLAM.
Michael H. Hart "The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History", New York: Hart Publishing Company, Inc., 1978,

4. "FOUR YEARS AFTER THE DEATH OF JUSTINIAN, A.D. 569, WAS BORN AT MAKKAH, IN ARABIA THE MAN WHO, OF ALL MEN EXERCISED THE GREATEST INFLUENCE UPON THE HUMAN RACE ,  MUHAMMAD , " John William Draper, M.D., LLD., in his "A History of the lntellectual Development of Europe",- London 1875.


5. "MUHUMMAD WAS THE SOUL OF KINDNESS, AND HIS INFLUENCE WAS FELT AND NEVER FORGOTTEN BY THOSE AROUND HIM." A Hindu scholar - Diwan Chand Sharma in his "The Prophets of the East," Calcutta 1935, p. 122.

6. "FOUR YEARS AFTER THE DEATH OF JUSTINIAN, A.D. 569, WAS BORN AT MAKKAH, IN ARABIA THE MAN WHO, OF ALL MEN EXERCISED THE GREATEST INFLUENCE UPON THE HUMAN RACE ,  MUHAMMAD , " John William Draper, M.D., LLD., in his "A History of the lntellectual Development of Europe",- London 1875.

7. "I DOUBT WHETHER ANY MAN WHOSE EXTERNAL CONDITIONS CHANGED SO MUCH EVER CHANGED HIMSELF LESS TO MEET THEM." R. V. C. Bodley in "The Messenger,"- London 1946, p.9.

8. "I HAVE STUDIED HIM - THE WONDERFUL MAN - AND IN MY OPINION FAR FROM BEING AN ANTI-CHRIST, HE MUST BE CALLED THE SAVIOUR OF HUMANITY." George Bernard Shaw, in "The Genuine Islam,- Vol. 1, No. 81936.

9. "BY A FORTUNE ABSOLUTELY UNIQUE IN HISTORY, MUHAMMAD IS A THREEFOLD FOUNDER OF A NATION, OF AN EMPIRE, AND OF A RELIGION." R. Bosworth-Smith in "Muhammad and Muhammadanism".- 1946.

10. "MUHAMMAD WAS THE MOST SUCCESSFUL OF ALL RELIGIOUS PERSONALITIES." Encyclopedia Britannica, 11th Edition

11. "THE GREAT MAN'S SINCERITY IS OF THE KIND HE CANNOT SPEAK OF: NAY, I SUPPOSE, HE IS CONSCIOUS RATHER OF INSINCERITY; FOR WHAT MAN CAN WALK ACCURATELY BY THE LAW OF TRUTH FOR ONE DAY? NO, THE GREAT MAN DOES NOT BOAST HIMSELF SINCERE, FAR FROM THAT; PERHAPS DOES NOT ASK HIMSELF IF HE IS SO: I WOULD SAY RATHER, HIS SINCERITY DOES NOT DEPEND ON HIMSELF: HE CANNOT HELP BEING SINCERE!" Heros and Hero-Worship, p.59

12. "A SILENT GREAT SOUL, HE WAS ONE OF THOSE WHO CANNOT BUT BE IN EARNEST, WHOM NATURE HERSELF HAS APPOINTED TO BE SINCERE. WHILE OTHERS WALK IN FORMULAS AND HEARSAYS, CONTENTED ENOUGH TO DWELL THERE, THIS MAN COULD NOT SCREEN HIMSELF IN FORMULAS; HE WAS ALONE WITH HIS OWN SOUL AND THE REALITY OF THINGS . . . SUCH SINCERITY, AS WE NAMED IT, HAS IN VERY TRUTH SOMETHING OF DIVINE. THE WORD OF SUCH A MAN IS A VOICE DIRECT FROM NATURE'S OWN HEART. MEN DO AND MUST LISTEN TO THAT AS TO NOTHING ELSE, - - - ALL ELSE IS WIND IN COMPARISON." Heros and Hero-Worship, p.71


13. "PHILOSOPHER, ORATOR, APOSTLE, LEGISLATOR, WARRIOR, CONQUEROR OF IDEAS, RESTORER OF RATIONAL DOGMAS, OF A CULT WITHOUT IMAGES; THE FOUNDER OF TWENTY TERRESTRIAL EMPIRES AND OF ONE SPIRITUAL EMPIRE, THAT IS MUHAMMAD. AS REGARDS ALL STANDARDS BY WHICH HUMAN GREATNESS MAY BE MEASURED, WE MAY WELL ASK, IS THERE ANY MAN GREATER THAN HE?"
[lamartine, histoire de la turquie, paris, 1854, vol. ii, pp. 276-277.]


14. "THE PERSONALITY OF MUHAMMAD, IT IS MOST DIFFICULT TO GET INTO THE WHOLE TRUTH OF IT. ONLY A GLIMPSE OF IT I CAN CATCH. WHAT A DRAMATIC SUCCESSION OF PICTURESQUE SCENES. THERE IS MUHAMMAD THE PROPHET. THERE IS MUHAMMAD THE WARRIOR; MUHAMMAD THE BUSINESSMAN; MUHAMMAD THE STATESMAN; MUHAMMAD THE ORATOR; MUHAMMAD THE REFORMER; MUHAMMAD THE REFUGE OF ORPHANS; MUHAMMAD THE PROTECTOR OF SLAVES; MUHAMMAD THE EMANCIPATOR OF WOMEN; MUHAMMAD THE JUDGE; MUHAMMAD THE SAINT. ALL IN ALL THESE MAGNIFICENT ROLES, IN ALL THESE DEPARTMENTS OF HUMAN ACTIVITIES, HE IS ALIKE A HERO."
Ramakrishna rao, an indian (hindu) professor of philosophy,


15. "THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS FOUNDED BY THE PROPHET OF ISLAM PUT THE PRINCIPLE OF INTERNATIONAL UNITY AND HUMAN BROTHERHOOD ON SUCH UNIVERSAL FOUNDATIONS AS TO SHOW CANDLE TO OTHER NATIONS." HE CONTINUES, "THE FACT IS THAT NO NATION OF THE WORLD CAN SHOW A PARALLEL TO WHAT ISLAM HAS DONE TOWARDS THE REALIZATION OF THE IDEA OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS."
IN THE WORDS OF PROFESSOR HURGRONJE:

16. "I BELIEVE IN ONE GOD, AND MAHOMET, AN APOSTLE OF GOD' IS THE SIMPLE AND INVARIABLE PROFESSION OF ISLAM. THE INTELLECTUAL IMAGE OF THE DEITY HAS NEVER BEEN DEGRADED BY ANY VISIBLE IDOL; THE HONOR OF THE PROPHET HAVE NEVER TRANSGRESSED THE MEASURE OF HUMAN VIRTUES; AND HIS LIVING PRECEPTS HAVE RESTRAINED THE GRATITUDE OF HIS DISCIPLES WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF REASON AND RELIGION."
[history of the saracen empires, london, 1870 by edward gibbon and simon ockley, p. 54]


17. "PHILOSOPHER, ORATOR, APOSTLE, LEGISLATOR, CONQUEROR OF IDEAS, RESTORER OF RATIONAL BELIEFS, THE FOUNDER OF TWENTY TERRESTRIAL EMPIRES AND OF ONE SPIRITUAL EMPIRE THAT IS MUHAMMAD. AS REGARDS ALL STANDARDS BY WHICH HUMAN GREATNESS MAY BE MEASURED, WE MAY WELL ASK, IS THERE ANY MAN GREATER THAN HE?"

Alphonse De Lamartaine In 'Historie De La Turquie,' Paris, 1854




18. "PERHAPS THE GREATEST LEADER OF ALL TIMES WAS MOHAMMAD, WHO COMBINED ALL THE THREE FUNCTIONS. TO A LESSER DEGREE MOSES DID THE SAME."
Jules Masserman In 'Who Were Histories Great Leaders?' In Time Magazine, July 15, 1974


19. "TO THE ARAB NATION IT WAS A BIRTH FROM DARKNESS INTO LIGHT; ARABIA FIRST BECOME ALIVE BY MEANS OF IT. A POOR SHEPHERD PEOPLE ,ROAMING UNNOTICED IN ITS DESERTS SINCE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD, A HERO-PROPHET WAS SENT DOWN TO THEM WITH A WORD THEY COULD BELIEVE: SEE, THE UNNOTICED BECOMES WORLD-NOTABLE, THE SMALL HAS GROWN WORLD-GREAT,' WITHIN ONE CENTURY AFTERWARD, ARABIA IS AT GRENADA ON THIS HAND, DELHI ON THAT, GLANCING IN VALOR AND SPLENDOR AND THE LIGHT OF GENIUS, ARABIA SHINES THROUGH LONG AGES OVER A SECTION OF THE WORLD. BELIEF IS GREAT, LONG-LIVING, THE HISTORY OF A NATION BECOMES FRUITFUL, SOUL-ELEVATING, GREAT, SO SOON AS IT BELIEVES. THESE ARABS, THE MAN MAHOMET AND THAT ONE CENTURY-IS IT NOT AS IF A SPARK HAD FALLEN, ONE SPARK, ON A WORLD OF WHAT SEEMED BLACK, UNNOTICEABLE SAND, BUT, THE SAND PROVES EXPLOSIVE POWDER, BLAZES HEAVEN-HIGH FROM DELHI TO GRENADA. I SAID ,THE GREAT MAN WAS ALWAYS A LIGHTNING OUT OF HEAVEN; THE REST OF MEN WAITED FOR HIM LIKE FUEL AND THEN THEY TOO WOULD FLAME." --- [Thomas Carlyle In Heroes And Hero-Worship]

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Re: Who Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived by TrueSeeker(m): 5:17pm On Dec 30, 2009
@the_seeker

Tell me the effect of Muhammad life on non-muslim world. and remember your worship is not complete if you Muslim don't acknowledge Jesus Christ as Messiah. Whereas Christian don't need to accept Muhammad.

the Point: Jesus Christ life cut across different religions and nationals.

Stop wasting useful space with all your cut and paste post.

Jesus Teaching was so impressed the late Indian leader Mohandas K. Gandhi that he reportedly told a British official: “When your country and mine shall get together on the teachings laid down by Christ in this Sermon on the Mount, we shall have solved the problems not only of our countries but those of the whole world.”

That was from a non-christian religion.
Re: Who Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived by ednut1(m): 5:36pm On Dec 30, 2009
D devil beat jesus cos we obey hm dan jesus and hs influence is there por.n, money, prostitution etc
Re: Who Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived by AbuZola3(m): 6:28pm On Dec 30, 2009
@trueseeker, messiah does not mean superiority even the anti christ is a messiah, masihu Dujjal. So what the heck re you saying ?
Re: Who Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived by sweetpie23: 6:29pm On Dec 30, 2009
Prophet Muhammad
Re: Who Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived by theseeker2: 6:36pm On Dec 30, 2009
TrueSeeker:

@the_seeker

Tell me the effect of Muhammad life on non-muslim world. and remember your worship is not complete if you Muslim don't acknowledge Jesus Christ as Messiah. Whereas Christian don't need to accept Muhammad.

the Point: Jesus Christ life cut across different religions and nationals.

Stop wasting useful space with all your cut and paste post.

Jesus Teaching was so impressed the late Indian leader Mohandas K. Gandhi that he reportedly told a British official: “When your country and mine shall get together on the teachings laid down by Christ in this Sermon on the Mount, we shall have solved the problems not only of our countries but those of the whole world.”

That was from a non-christian religion.

pls start by telling us what Messiah means
Re: Who Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived by AbuZola3(m): 6:36pm On Dec 30, 2009
Thanks jare
Re: Who Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived by IbrahimB: 7:52pm On Dec 30, 2009
@Poster

It will be very important to mention the book The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History which was a significant work written on this subject. The book was written by Michael Hart a Jewish-American Astrophysist and Historian. Interested readers may visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_100 for more on this work AND of course you are free to agree or disagree with him.
Re: Who Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived by TrueSeeker(m): 11:22am On Dec 31, 2009
@Abu Zola

If Jesus is a Messiah to Muhammad then Jesus is a Leader greater than him
Re: Who Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived by TrueSeeker(m): 11:40am On Dec 31, 2009
@IbrahimB
The greatness of a man should equally be measure from what he left behind to thrive after him, Mohammed left 9 widows, and fight and war among his successors whereas nobody or disciple ever fight to take place of Christ.

You can equally see that Hart assertion was not consistent and not many scholar agree with him.

And the question is the Greatest Man ever Lived. Mohammed agree to Jesus seniority
Re: Who Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived by theseeker2: 11:52am On Dec 31, 2009
pls tell us what Messiah means
Re: Who Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived by TrueSeeker(m): 12:07pm On Dec 31, 2009
@the_seeker, @IbrahimB

SINCE THERE ARE ROUGHLY TWICE  AS MANY CHRISTIANS IN THE WORLD, IT MAY INITIALLY SEEM STRANGE THAT MUHAMMAD HAS BEEN RANKED HIGHER THAN JESUS.

Where do you see your fact that 1.3 billion Muslim as twice as Christian population?

Evidently you are a liar, does that means Christians are just 700million in world population? is better you use your head when you are doing your cut paste posting. review it before you post it.

From your post, if evidence show Christian to be higher than muslim population that means St. Paul is evidently greater than Mohammad.
Christian population is 2.2 billion and that overthrow the ground that Hart stand on his assertion in 1978, the emerging fact now make Apostle Paul greater than Mohammad, and mind you Paul proclaim Jesus as his lord, achievement of that arab prophet did not even match that of one of Christ followers in time of proselytism, and Paul did not even use single sword to preach Christianity instead he did it in face of utmost persecution.

So if you are going by Hart theory Jesus is far greater than Mohammad.

If you want to know the true world population of major religion go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups
Re: Who Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived by igboboy1(m): 12:17pm On Dec 31, 2009

DEFINITELY NOT JESUS, MOHAMMED? DEPENDS ON YOUR VIEWS ABOUT HIM,


NOT JESUS BECAUSE ALTHOUGH HE CAME DOWN TO EARTH HE IS HIGHER A SUPREME BEING, THE ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE BEGINING AND THE END, SO ITS AN INSULT TO PUT HIM IN THIS CATEGORY,

WHILE MOHAMMED BEING A MAN CAN COMPETE FOR THIS AWARD, WITH HITLER, ISHMAEL, DAVID WHATEVER COS THEY WERE ALL HUMANS, LETS BE COMPARATIVE WITH OUT COMPARISONS,

Re: Who Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived by IbrahimB: 12:39pm On Dec 31, 2009
@Trueseeker

As I said you're free to agree or disagree with Michael Hart. He's just human like yourself. But that being the case, this work must be mentioned in this discussion. What makes the work particularly notable is that it was the opinion of a non-muslim on the Muslim Prophet.

The tendency is for a Jew to say Moses was the greatest man, the christian to say Jesus is the greatest man, the Bhuddist to say Bhudda was the greatest man and the Muslim to say Muhammad is the greatest man.

So we must look beyond faith in determining who the greatest man is.


If Jesus is a Messiah to Muhammad then Jesus is a Leader greater than him

What do you think "Messiah" means? Ask any Jew familiar with the Old Testament what the messiah means. In its truest sense, the Messiah was a temporal King the Jews were awaiting who will be along the line of David who will deliver the Jews. That the Messiah was sent to the whole world is a christian idea. The Messiah was to be a national saviour and not a king to have world-wide dominion.

Muhammad corroborated the Jews on this aspect.
Re: Who Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived by theseeker2: 12:51pm On Dec 31, 2009
TrueSeeker:

@the_seeker, @IbrahimB

Where do you see your fact that 1.3 billion Muslim as twice as Christian population?

Evidently you are a liar, does that means Christians are just 700million in world population? is better you use your head when you are doing your cut paste posting. review it before you post it.

From your post, if evidence show Christian to be higher than muslim population that means St. Paul is evidently greater than Mohammad.
Christian population is 2.2 billion and that overthrow the ground that Hart stand on his assertion in 1978, the emerging fact now make Apostle Paul greater than Mohammad, and mind you Paul proclaim Jesus as his lord, achievement of that arab prophet did not even match that of one of Christ followers in time of proselytism, and Paul did not even use single sword to preach Christianity instead he did it in face of utmost percussion.

So if you are going by Hart theory Jesus is far greater than Mohammad.

If you want to know the true world population of major religion go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups

you are obviosly a fool who posts without reading. When in my quote below did it state that moslems are twice the population of xtrians. You just argue blindly

SINCE THERE ARE ROUGHLY TWICE  AS MANY CHRISTIANS IN THE WORLD, IT MAY INITIALLY SEEM STRANGE THAT MUHAMMAD HAS BEEN RANKED HIGHER THAN JESUS.
Re: Who Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived by IbrahimB: 12:57pm On Dec 31, 2009
@igbo boy

DEFINITELY NOT JESUS, MOHAMMED? DEPENDS ON YOUR VIEWS ABOUT HIM,


NOT JESUS BECAUSE ALTHOUGH HE CAME DOWN TO EARTH HE IS HIGHER A SUPREME BEING, THE ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE BEGINING AND THE END, SO ITS AN INSULT TO PUT HIM IN THIS CATEGORY,

WHILE MOHAMMED BEING A MAN CAN COMPETE FOR THIS AWARD, WITH HITLER, ISHMAEL, DAVID WHATEVER COS THEY WERE ALL HUMANS, LETS BE COMPARATIVE WITH OUT COMPARISONS,

Relax man!! You don't have to shout - We can hear you grin

So Trueseeker, here's another view what say you? Since Jesus is not human (sic), he cannot be competing in the "Who-is-the-greatest-man-in-the-world" show smiley

Umm,  but we have a little problem here igbo-boy. The Muslims believe Jesus is human, the Jews believe Jesus was human, the Bhuddists and Confucionists believe Jesus is human. Everybody, other than a christian believes Jesus (if they believe he existed even) is human. Come, even some Christian Denominations and Sects believe Jesus was human. So what do we now do?
Re: Who Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived by AbuZola3(m): 12:59pm On Dec 31, 2009
Muhammad is the greatest man, the term messiah refers to saviour, jesus came to rescue the children of Israel , he will come before the hour is established to fight for the muslim, he will kill all the unbelievers and will raise the flag of islam up. Jesus is a prophet like it was stated in the Quran and divinity is associated to him or his mother
Re: Who Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived by DeepSight(m): 1:00pm On Dec 31, 2009
the_seeker:

The verdict is in. Muhammad Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived

"MUHAMMAD WAS THE MOST SUCCESSFUL OF ALL RELIGIOUS PERSONALITIES." Encyclopedia Britannica, 11th Edition


1. IF GREATNESS OF PURPOSE, SMALLNESS OF MEANS AND ASTOUNDING RESULTS [The full quotation from Lamartine's book will be found in appendix''B" page 61.] ARE THE THREE CRITERIA OF HUMAN GENIUS, WHO COULD DARE TO COMPARE ANY GREAT MAN IN MODERN HISTORY WITH MUHUMMED? {Lamartine ends his lengthy segment of literary masterpiece with the words): . . . PHILOSOPHER, ORATOR, APOSTLE, LEGISLATOR, WARRIOR, CONQUEROR OF IDEAS, RESTORER OF RATIONAL BELIEFS, OF A CULT WITHOUT IMAGES: THE FOUNDER OF TWENTY TERRESTRIAL EMPIRES AND OF ONE SPIRITUAL EMPIRE, THAT IS MUHUMMED. AS REGARDS ALL STANDARDS BY WHICH HUMAN GREATNESS MAY BE MEASURED, WE MAY WELL ASK, IS THERE ANY MAN GREATER THEN HE? Lamartine, "Historie de la Turquie," Paris 1854

2. HE WAS CAESAR AND POPE IN ONE, BUT HE WAS POPE WITHOUT THE POPE'S PRETENTIONS, AND CAESAR WITHOUT THE LEGIONS OF CAESAR: WITHOUT A STANDING ARMY, WITHOUT A BODYGUARD, WITHOUT A PALACE, WITHOUT A FIXED REVENUE; IF EVER ANY MAN HAD THE RIGHT TO SAY THAT HE RULED BY THE RIGHT DIVINE, IT WAS MOHAMMAD, FOR HE HAD ALL THE POWERS WITHOUT ITS INSTRUMENTS AND WITHOUT ITS SUPPORTS." R. Bosworth Smith -Mohammad and Mohammadanism", London 1874, p. 92



3. "MY CHOICE OF MUHAMMAD TO LEAD THE LIST OF THE WORLD'S MOST INFLUENTIAL PERSONS MAY SURPRISE SOME READERS AND MAY BE QUESTIONED BY OTHERS, BUT HE WAS THE ONLY MAN IN HISTORY WHO WAS SUPREMELY SUCCESSFUL ON BOTH THE RELIGIOUS AND SECULAR LEVEL."
SINCE THERE ARE ROUGHLY TWICE  AS MANY CHRISTIANS IN THE WORLD, IT MAY INITIALLY SEEM STRANGE THAT MUHAMMAD HAS BEEN RANKED HIGHER THAN JESUS. THERE ARE TWO PRINCIPAL REASONS FOR THAT DECISION.
FIRST, MUHAMMAD PLAYED A FAR MORE IMPORTANT ROLE IN THE EVELOPMENT OF ISLAM THAN JESUS DID IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF CHRISTIANITY. ALTHOUGH JESUS WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAIN ETHICAL AND MORAL PRECEPTS OF CHRISTIANITY (INSOFAR AS THESE DIFFERED FROM JUDAISM), ST. PAUL WAS THE MAIN DEVELOPER OF CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY, ITS PRINCIPAL
PROSELYTIZER, AND THE AUTHOR OF A LARGE PORTION OF THE NEW TESTAMENT.
MUHAMMAD, HOWEVER, WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR BOTH THE THEOLOGY OF ISLAM AND ITS MAIN ETHICAL AND MORAL PRINCIPLES. IN ADDITION, HE PLAYED THE KEY ROLE IN PROSELYTIZING THE NEW FAITH, AND IN ESTABLISHING THE RELIGIOUS PRACTICES OF ISLAM.
Michael H. Hart "The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History", New York: Hart Publishing Company, Inc., 1978,

4. "FOUR YEARS AFTER THE DEATH OF JUSTINIAN, A.D. 569, WAS BORN AT MAKKAH, IN ARABIA THE MAN WHO, OF ALL MEN EXERCISED THE GREATEST INFLUENCE UPON THE HUMAN RACE ,  MUHAMMAD , " John William Draper, M.D., LLD., in his "A History of the lntellectual Development of Europe",- London 1875.


5. "MUHUMMAD WAS THE SOUL OF KINDNESS, AND HIS INFLUENCE WAS FELT AND NEVER FORGOTTEN BY THOSE AROUND HIM." A Hindu scholar - Diwan Chand Sharma in his "The Prophets of the East," Calcutta 1935, p. 122.

6. "FOUR YEARS AFTER THE DEATH OF JUSTINIAN, A.D. 569, WAS BORN AT MAKKAH, IN ARABIA THE MAN WHO, OF ALL MEN EXERCISED THE GREATEST INFLUENCE UPON THE HUMAN RACE ,  MUHAMMAD , " John William Draper, M.D., LLD., in his "A History of the lntellectual Development of Europe",- London 1875.

7. "I DOUBT WHETHER ANY MAN WHOSE EXTERNAL CONDITIONS CHANGED SO MUCH EVER CHANGED HIMSELF LESS TO MEET THEM." R. V. C. Bodley in "The Messenger,"- London 1946, p.9.

8. "I HAVE STUDIED HIM - THE WONDERFUL MAN - AND IN MY OPINION FAR FROM BEING AN ANTI-CHRIST, HE MUST BE CALLED THE SAVIOUR OF HUMANITY." George Bernard Shaw, in "The Genuine Islam,- Vol. 1, No. 81936.

9. "BY A FORTUNE ABSOLUTELY UNIQUE IN HISTORY, MUHAMMAD IS A THREEFOLD FOUNDER OF A NATION, OF AN EMPIRE, AND OF A RELIGION." R. Bosworth-Smith in "Muhammad and Muhammadanism".- 1946.

10. "MUHAMMAD WAS THE MOST SUCCESSFUL OF ALL RELIGIOUS PERSONALITIES." Encyclopedia Britannica, 11th Edition

11. "THE GREAT MAN'S SINCERITY IS OF THE KIND HE CANNOT SPEAK OF: NAY, I SUPPOSE, HE IS CONSCIOUS RATHER OF INSINCERITY; FOR WHAT MAN CAN WALK ACCURATELY BY THE LAW OF TRUTH FOR ONE DAY? NO, THE GREAT MAN DOES NOT BOAST HIMSELF SINCERE, FAR FROM THAT; PERHAPS DOES NOT ASK HIMSELF IF HE IS SO: I WOULD SAY RATHER, HIS SINCERITY DOES NOT DEPEND ON HIMSELF: HE CANNOT HELP BEING SINCERE!" Heros and Hero-Worship, p.59

12. "A SILENT GREAT SOUL, HE WAS ONE OF THOSE WHO CANNOT BUT BE IN EARNEST, WHOM NATURE HERSELF HAS APPOINTED TO BE SINCERE. WHILE OTHERS WALK IN FORMULAS AND HEARSAYS, CONTENTED ENOUGH TO DWELL THERE, THIS MAN COULD NOT SCREEN HIMSELF IN FORMULAS; HE WAS ALONE WITH HIS OWN SOUL AND THE REALITY OF THINGS . . . SUCH SINCERITY, AS WE NAMED IT, HAS IN VERY TRUTH SOMETHING OF DIVINE. THE WORD OF SUCH A MAN IS A VOICE DIRECT FROM NATURE'S OWN HEART. MEN DO AND MUST LISTEN TO THAT AS TO NOTHING ELSE, - - - ALL ELSE IS WIND IN COMPARISON." Heros and Hero-Worship, p.71


13. "PHILOSOPHER, ORATOR, APOSTLE, LEGISLATOR, WARRIOR, CONQUEROR OF IDEAS, RESTORER OF RATIONAL DOGMAS, OF A CULT WITHOUT IMAGES; THE FOUNDER OF TWENTY TERRESTRIAL EMPIRES AND OF ONE SPIRITUAL EMPIRE, THAT IS MUHAMMAD. AS REGARDS ALL STANDARDS BY WHICH HUMAN GREATNESS MAY BE MEASURED, WE MAY WELL ASK, IS THERE ANY MAN GREATER THAN HE?"
[lamartine, histoire de la turquie, paris, 1854, vol. ii, pp. 276-277.]


14. "THE PERSONALITY OF MUHAMMAD, IT IS MOST DIFFICULT TO GET INTO THE WHOLE TRUTH OF IT. ONLY A GLIMPSE OF IT I CAN CATCH. WHAT A DRAMATIC SUCCESSION OF PICTURESQUE SCENES. THERE IS MUHAMMAD THE PROPHET. THERE IS MUHAMMAD THE WARRIOR; MUHAMMAD THE BUSINESSMAN; MUHAMMAD THE STATESMAN; MUHAMMAD THE ORATOR; MUHAMMAD THE REFORMER; MUHAMMAD THE REFUGE OF ORPHANS; MUHAMMAD THE PROTECTOR OF SLAVES; MUHAMMAD THE EMANCIPATOR OF WOMEN; MUHAMMAD THE JUDGE; MUHAMMAD THE SAINT. ALL IN ALL THESE MAGNIFICENT ROLES, IN ALL THESE DEPARTMENTS OF HUMAN ACTIVITIES, HE IS ALIKE A HERO."
Ramakrishna rao, an indian (hindu) professor of philosophy,


15. "THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS FOUNDED BY THE PROPHET OF ISLAM PUT THE PRINCIPLE OF INTERNATIONAL UNITY AND HUMAN BROTHERHOOD ON SUCH UNIVERSAL FOUNDATIONS AS TO SHOW CANDLE TO OTHER NATIONS." HE CONTINUES, "THE FACT IS THAT NO NATION OF THE WORLD CAN SHOW A PARALLEL TO WHAT ISLAM HAS DONE TOWARDS THE REALIZATION OF THE IDEA OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS."
IN THE WORDS OF PROFESSOR HURGRONJE:

16. "I BELIEVE IN ONE GOD, AND MAHOMET, AN APOSTLE OF GOD' IS THE SIMPLE AND INVARIABLE PROFESSION OF ISLAM. THE INTELLECTUAL IMAGE OF THE DEITY HAS NEVER BEEN DEGRADED BY ANY VISIBLE IDOL; THE HONOR OF THE PROPHET HAVE NEVER TRANSGRESSED THE MEASURE OF HUMAN VIRTUES; AND HIS LIVING PRECEPTS HAVE RESTRAINED THE GRATITUDE OF HIS DISCIPLES WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF REASON AND RELIGION."
[history of the saracen empires, london, 1870 by edward gibbon and simon ockley, p. 54]


17. "PHILOSOPHER, ORATOR, APOSTLE, LEGISLATOR, CONQUEROR OF IDEAS, RESTORER OF RATIONAL BELIEFS, THE FOUNDER OF TWENTY TERRESTRIAL EMPIRES AND OF ONE SPIRITUAL EMPIRE THAT IS MUHAMMAD. AS REGARDS ALL STANDARDS BY WHICH HUMAN GREATNESS MAY BE MEASURED, WE MAY WELL ASK, IS THERE ANY MAN GREATER THAN HE?"

Alphonse De Lamartaine In 'Historie De La Turquie,' Paris, 1854




18. "PERHAPS THE GREATEST LEADER OF ALL TIMES WAS MOHAMMAD, WHO COMBINED ALL THE THREE FUNCTIONS. TO A LESSER DEGREE MOSES DID THE SAME."
Jules Masserman In 'Who Were Histories Great Leaders?' In Time Magazine, July 15, 1974


19. "TO THE ARAB NATION IT WAS A BIRTH FROM DARKNESS INTO LIGHT; ARABIA FIRST BECOME ALIVE BY MEANS OF IT. A POOR SHEPHERD PEOPLE ,ROAMING UNNOTICED IN ITS DESERTS SINCE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD, A HERO-PROPHET WAS SENT DOWN TO THEM WITH A WORD THEY COULD BELIEVE: SEE, THE UNNOTICED BECOMES WORLD-NOTABLE, THE SMALL HAS GROWN WORLD-GREAT,' WITHIN ONE CENTURY AFTERWARD, ARABIA IS AT GRENADA ON THIS HAND, DELHI ON THAT, GLANCING IN VALOR AND SPLENDOR AND THE LIGHT OF GENIUS, ARABIA SHINES THROUGH LONG AGES OVER A SECTION OF THE WORLD. BELIEF IS GREAT, LONG-LIVING, THE HISTORY OF A NATION BECOMES FRUITFUL, SOUL-ELEVATING, GREAT, SO SOON AS IT BELIEVES. THESE ARABS, THE MAN MAHOMET AND THAT ONE CENTURY-IS IT NOT AS IF A SPARK HAD FALLEN, ONE SPARK, ON A WORLD OF WHAT SEEMED BLACK, UNNOTICEABLE SAND, BUT, THE SAND PROVES EXPLOSIVE POWDER, BLAZES HEAVEN-HIGH FROM DELHI TO GRENADA. I SAID ,THE GREAT MAN WAS ALWAYS A LIGHTNING OUT OF HEAVEN; THE REST OF MEN WAITED FOR HIM LIKE FUEL AND THEN THEY TOO WOULD FLAME." --- [Thomas Carlyle In Heroes And Hero-Worship]



And in all of this why did you fail to mention the fact that your supposed "greatest man" was a champion Paedophile, sleeping with 9 year old Aisha? ? ?
Re: Who Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived by No2Atheism(m): 1:03pm On Dec 31, 2009
Abu Zola:

Muhammad is the greatest man, the term messiah refers to saviour,  jesus came to rescue the children of Israel , he will come before the hour is established to fight for the muslim, he will kill all the unbelievers and will raise the flag of islam up.  Jesus is a prophet like it was stated in the Quran and divinity is associated to him or his mother



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Re: Who Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived by AbuZola3(m): 1:04pm On Dec 31, 2009
So whats your conclusion
Re: Who Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived by IbrahimB: 1:13pm On Dec 31, 2009
@Abuzola

he will kill all the unbelievers and will raise the flag of islam up

Please where is it said that Jesus will kill ALL the unbelievers?! We should be careful what we say, please!
Re: Who Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived by IbrahimB: 1:49pm On Dec 31, 2009
@Deepsight

And in all of this why did you fail to mention the fact that your supposed "greatest man" was a champion Paedophile, sleeping with 9 year old Aisha? ? ?

Yeah, I know this is your favourite one. grin Muhammad to you is no more and no less than his marriage with Aisha.  Unfortunately, it hasn't stopped some prominent non-muslims from appreciating Muhammad's worth sad

Please can you define who a paedophile is?
Re: Who Is The Greatest Man Ever Lived by olabowale(m): 1:51pm On Dec 31, 2009
@Trueseeker: « #8 on: Yesterday at 02:17:59 PM »  
@Abu Zola
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Prophet Muhammad is the greatest man
How can Muhammad be greater than Jesus when he, himself (Muhammad) confirmed Jesus as the Messiah. Or you haven't read that in Quran? Even here we are talking about achievements.
And Jesus said that "I have come not to abolish the laws and the prophets, but to fulfil them, shall be the least in the kingdom!" If simply because Jesus was mentioned as Messiah in the Quran translate in your mind that he is higher, I will leave that alone to you, and then use that very thinking to point you to the fact that Jesus's statement about prophets before him must also be because each of those prophets are "higher" than him!


Imagine one of Jesus Christ teaching: “All things, therefore, that YOU want men to do to YOU, YOU also must likewise do to them; this, in fact, is what the Law and the Prophets mean."
Sadist, psychopaths, sedomasochists and those who love pains must be loving your "Jesus" argument above. Muhammad (AS) says something different; Do what is good and lawful to other. Be merciful to them.


What a golden rule. How different do you think our world will be if only we can all follow this Christ teaching?
Those who love pain, will inflict plenty on you, even though you may not like it, as long as it is what they want others to do on them!


Do Muhammad made similar teaching, if he do perhaps  he copy it from is Leader Jesus the Messiah
Muhammad (AS) would have no need to copy from anyone, since his Lord says of him, "he says what he was instructed, supported by one mighty in power." Muhammad says that if Musa were to be alive and hear about my prophethood, he will but follow me, immediately. That should go for all, including Jesus. This you can find to corollate what Allah says in Surah "Imran" that all prophets took oath to support Muhammad the Messenger of Allah, if his messengership coincide with their own prophethood!


« #10 on: Yesterday at 05:17:52 PM »  
@the_seeker
Tell me the effect of Muhammad life on non-muslim world. and remember your worship is not complete if you Muslim don't acknowledge Jesus Christ as Messiah. Whereas Christian don't need to accept Muhammad.
And the Jews dont have to acknowledge Jesus at all, whereas you Christians must acknowledge Moses, otherwise you dont even have a Bible now anything of argument, though your religion started as a sect of the Jew! You are not making any sense, man.


the Point: Jesus Christ life cut across different religions and nationals.
Lies. The Jewish religion dont even acknowledge Jesus, and no Saudi is a Christian and still maintain to be a saudi!


Stop wasting useful space with all your cut and paste post.
Jesus Teaching was so impressed the late Indian leader Mohandas K. Gandhi that he reportedly told a British official: “When your country and mine shall get together on the teachings laid down by Christ in this Sermon on the Mount, we shall have solved the problems not only of our countries but those of the whole world.”
Gandhi said greater things about Muhammad (AS) considering that he had to pander to the oppressive British, in his coyness to get the "followers of Biblical Jesus" to leave his poor people alone, and not mass slaughter them. While you guys claim that you follow Jesus, I guess he never has any effect on you: he said dont abolish the laws and prophets, immediately, less than a century, you did. He said no illegal sex, no one is more openly and unshamely sexually freaky than you. The more out of cloth the better for you, and only extreme winter can make many keep their cloth on!


That was from a non-christian religion.
Actually, my reason for even contributing here is that I wanna point out the fact that when it is "convenient" for you guys, Jesus is human, then when it is to the detriment of your making him a god like yoruba's ogun the god of iron, he is not human! Is there no limit to this level of deceit?

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