Chapelle.S:

Nigerians have to understand that the over N700 million MTN spends on energy is transferred directly to the subscribers. We contribute over 50 percent  of subscribers in WA and about 25 of MTN subscribers base worldwide.It is MTN Nigeria and SA that are the pillars of the group.They recently sacked 65 workers and many more are to come when they become fully operational in their purported office in Accra.This economic sabotage.They make the money from Nigeria and over see it from Accra.[b]Do you know how thousand above average corporate jobs that will be created to combat the high rate of unemployment in Nigeria.[/b]If the country host an unfriendly business climate they should pull out.

.You will understand that the US is concerned about 1000 jobs call it low paying or otherwise that is outsourced to mainly Asian countries.

you need to stop talking out of both sides of your mouth

have u stopped to ask yourself WHY they chose to 'insult' nigeria? have you stopped to wonder why they would choose to setup in a nation that does not comprise their largest market?

instead of pondering the sad state of nigeria, you prefer to bluster .

one moment you are going on about kicking them out - not considering the effects on the economy and job market, the next you are going on about  how the us is concerned about 1000 low paying jobs.

is our government concerned about jobs at all? are they good fr anything beyond issuing vacuous ultimatums 'seven point agendas and failed 6000mw promises?

abeg please dont include  those 3kbps companies jor

nothing can change the decision, talk some else

Chapelle.S:

You make me laugh because I see that Nigerians don't know what our fundamental problems are.

i make you laugh? please tell me if zanzibar is your loaction? if so, how are you qualified to blather about our fundamental problems? what do you know of them?

do you know how unsafe lagos is , inspite of all fashola has done? do you know how long a drive from lekki to VI is? do you have any idea how the fuel crisis has crippled buinesses?

we don't need all this long distance armchair patriotism - those of us in the trenches know its more than chanting great nation great people

your country is broken. get your ass down her and fix it or hold  your peace

Nigerians have to understand that the over N700 million MTN spends on energy is transferred directly to the subscribers. We contribute over 50 percent  of subscribers in WA and about 25 of MTN subscribers base worldwide.It is MTN Nigeria and SA that are the pillars of the group.They recently sacked 65 workers and many more are to come when they become fully operational in their purported office in Accra.This economic sabotage.They make the money from Nigeria and over see it from Accra.Do you know how thousand above average corporate jobs that will be created to combat the high rate of unemployment in Nigeria.If the country host an unfriendly business climate they should pull out.

can u explain how changes in the legal structure affects the jobs of Nigerians

i tot they were just moving the decision makin house to Ghana

are they carrying the masts

.   .   .   . pls what jobs will be lost
what are u saying?

oyb:

you need to stop talking out of both sides of your mouth

have u stopped to ask yourself WHY they chose to 'insult' nigeria? have you stopped to wonder why they would choose to setup in a nation that does not comprise their largest market?

instead of pondering the sad state of nigeria, you prefer to bluster .

one moment you are going on about kicking them out - not considering the effects on the economy and job market, the next you are going on about  how the us is concerned about 1000 low paying jobs.

is our government concerned about jobs at all? are they good fr anything beyond issuing vacuous ultimatums 'seven point agendas and failed 6000mw promises?

MTN should not complicate Nigerians problem.We have enough on our plate.This is economic sabotage.30million subscribers and you run it from Accra.Its not fair.Even the government claims to be dump,the citizens can help salvage the nation.

Guys, as much we are hurt about this, we should be objective; I would do same thing as MTN CEO!

The law of business says 'only take risks you can manage'.

Is it wise for MTN to allow regional operations feed into a country where the social environment is run down n almost in decay; where the people who make the laws are bought off with blackberry bolds + unlimited data?

Considering the spate with which we change policies depending on what winds are blowing from which nautical zone of the earth, you would want an adverse policy change to affect nine operational units because they want to satisfy nigerians?

Every wise business man would manage the risks of being in nigeria in isolation to the rest of its business!

Moral of the story - GET YOUR LEADERSHIP TOGETHER!

tkb417:


can u explain how changes in the legal structure affects the jobs of Nigerians

i tot they were just moving the decision makin house to Ghana

are they carrying the masts

.   .   .   . pls what jobs will be lost
what are u saying?

i wonder o - these armchair economists who are more focused on misplaced national pride

kick mtn out of nigeria - don't make me laugh

so many of them are the same ones vilifying sanusi for triggering the long over due opening of our bankers' collective yanshes - and the resultant job losses

I think it is extremely sad that MTN has decided to relocate to Ghana. All of us knew why that action was taken simply because of the conduciveness of doing bIZ in Ghana.

The pity here is that our leaders are [size=18pt]myopic[/size]
They dont seem to understand the fundamental issues to be solved by a developing nation e.g power , good roads etc all these are the indices for measuring the growth of a nation that is truly developing

House ,
the truth is Naija is not developing all our music popularity and other things that we brag about will come to nought if fundamental infrastructures that affects every day life are not attended to.

Check out why MTN (a growing telco)should you leave a poplation of 150m for 23m think about this,

tkb417:


can u explain how changes in the legal structure affects the jobs of Nigerians

i tot they were just moving the decision makin house to Ghana

are they carrying the masts

. . . . pls what jobs will be lost
what are u saying?

Read some exceprts from a major Ghana news website below

"The establishment of the office in Ghana provides enormous benefits not only to our business but to the country and we are excited to be hosting it," Ms Dumor said.

She said the benefits include leveraging economies of scale in respect of supply of telecoms infrastructure across the region, which will have positive implications for the national agenda to make Ghana the gateway to West Africa.

Ms Dumor said it would also create opportunities to apply Ghanaian knowledge, expertise and experience to other MTN operating units' technical and stakeholder engagement initiatives.

Ghana has been recognized at the MTN Group level for execution excellence in Marketing and Social Responsibility.

"Indeed the Ghana operating unit continues to support knowledge sharing in these key areas of the business," Ms Dumor said.

If MTN locates it head office in Accra,surely the head office will be staffed by MTN workers who will comprise of expatriates and but the host country citizens will be given a quota according to their laws.Now this people have 30 million subscribers which is more than 50 percent of all the subscribers base in the 9 WECA countries.Is it fair to make all the money here and go and locate their office in a supposedly serene environment in far away Accra.With the apathy of Ghanaian toward Nigerians,do you think that Nigerians will have full opportunities to work there.Even if its only 1000 jobs that will be created do you know the implication on our economy.This is economic sabotage.Why is Dubai booming because it is a hub for the middle east.Do you know that many other companies can follow suit.How do you create jobs when all these companies are leaving? MTN Nigeria and SA are the pillars of MTN world wide.Moreover they said that Ghana has friendly business climate but the profits come from Nigeria.

Think Nigerians think.Until they close some offices in Lagos and move the jobs to Accra,we will wake up in our usual manner.Yar'Adua has been sick since but we refuse to speak out until recent events.

Chapelle.S:

Read some exceprts from a major Ghana news website below

"The establishment of the office in Ghana provides enormous benefits not only to our business but to the country and we are excited to be hosting it," Ms Dumor said.

She said the benefits include leveraging economies of scale in respect of supply of telecoms infrastructure across the region, which will have positive implications for the national agenda to make Ghana the gateway to West Africa.

Ms Dumor said it would also create opportunities to apply Ghanaian knowledge, expertise and experience to other MTN operating units' technical and stakeholder engagement initiatives.

Ghana has been recognized at the MTN Group level for execution excellence in Marketing and Social Responsibility.

"Indeed the Ghana operating unit continues to support knowledge sharing in these key areas of the business," Ms Dumor said.

If MTN locates it head office in Accra,surely the head office will be staffed by MTN workers who will comprise of expatriates and but the host country citizens will be given a quota according to their laws.Now this people have 30 million subscribers which is more than 50 percent of all the subscribers base in the 9 WECA countries.Is it fair to make all the money here and go and locate their office in a supposedly serene environment in far away Accra.With the apathy of Ghanaian toward Nigerians,do you think that Nigerians will have full opportunities to work there.Even if its only 1000 jobs that will be created do you know the implication on our economy.This is economic sabotage.Why is Dubai booming because it is a hub for the middle east.Do you know that many other companies can follow suit.How do you create jobs when all these companies are leaving? MTN Nigeria and SA are the pillars of MTN world wide.Moreover they said that Ghana has friendly business climate but the profits come from Nigeria.

Think Nigerians think.Until they close some offices in Lagos and move the jobs to Accra,we will wake up in our usual manner.Yar'Adua has been sick since but we refuse to speak out until recent events.

you have already been answered

it is a head office. do you think oceanic banks new head office is going to lead to serious employment opportunities? all that a head office means is that some ogas will relocate. nothing more.

oyb:


you have already been answered

it is a head office. do you think oceanic banks new head office is going to lead to serious employment opportunities? all that a head office means is that some ogas will relocate. nothing more.

You talk of serous employment opportunities until its up to many thousands that is when we should be concerned.Make this argument with a US citizen.he will remind you that the problems of the black man will persist for a long time to come because they don not know their problems.

this is to show that nigeria is a failed/ failing state economically, politically,socially and otherwise. if not what will explain the recent situation where we can't make us of our population as an added advaqntage to foster economic growth. how can MTN and other Multinatonal coorporation be shifting base to smaller countries with less market, just as aresult of our leader parochail aim of embezzling to personal agrandisement at the espense of the greater majority. had it been that this is the right medium , i would have called for a sincere and geniune revolution to eliminate the presen t crop of in experienced, greedy,corrupt and bad leaders and grow amore competent leaders to lead our nation on the part of development.

oyb:


you have already been answered

it is a head office. do you think oceanic banks new head office is going to lead to serious employment opportunities? all that a head office means is that some ogas will relocate. nothing more.

finito!!

and i think his confusing lies where the woman mentioned economies of scale
na wa

Chapelle.S:

You talk of serous employment opportunities until its up to many thousands that is when we should be concerned.Make this argument with a US citizen.he will remind you that the problems of the black man will persist for a long time to come because they don not know their problems.

pls appeal to some economic sense not just ur opinion

marlkomx3:

this is to show that nigeria is a failed/ failing state economically, politically,socially and otherwise. if not what will explain the recent situation where we can't make us of our population as an added advaqntage to foster economic growth. how can MTN and other Multinatonal coorporation be shifting base to smaller countries with less market, just as aresult of our leader parochail aim of embezzling to personal agrandisement at the espense of the greater majority. had it been that this is the right medium , i would have called for a sincere and geniune revolution to eliminate the presen t crop of in experienced, greedy,corrupt and bad leaders and grow amore competent leaders to lead our nation on the part of development.

my people perish cos they dont have knowledge

so if i move to a country with less market, its a heinous crime?

what about big multinations that have their Head offices in places like seychelles, cyprus and some other tax havens

are they stupid too?

so the US coys that moved offices to Dubai dont have the interest of Americans at heart

wetin sef? is this difficult to understand it has no bearing on the cost of fish in the open market?

too much ado over irrelevances

tkb417:

finito!!

and i think his confusing lies where the woman mentioned economies of scale
na wa
pls appeal to some economic sense not just your opinion
my people perish cos they dont have knowledge

so if i move to a country with less market, its a heinous crime?

what about big multinations that have their Head offices in places like seychelles, cyprus and some other tax havens

are they silly too?

so the US coys that moved offices to Dubai dont have the interest of Americans at heart

wetin sef? is this difficult to understand it has no bearing on the cost of fish in the open market?

too much ado over irrelevances

Bloody economist.I will refer you to chapter five of Audacity of Hope by Obama so that you will begin to think right. When countries are thinking of protecting their economies and creating jobs you are here talking rubbish.The tax regime in Nigeria and Ghana, which is better? This is MTN apathy and hatred and ingratitude to Nigerians compounded by our crazy leadership.

Chapelle.S:

Bloody economist.I will refer you to chapter five of Audacity of Hope by Obama so that you will begin to think right. When countries are thinking of protecting their economies and creating jobs you are here talking rubbish.The tax regime in Nigeria and Ghana, which is better? This is MTN apathy and hatred and ingratitude to Nigerians compounded by our crazy leadership.

you protect your economy by creating an enabling environment

you need to stop thinking that a best selling book by a popular president is some sort of manual for business practices

Read books!I have read all the books written by all US president since the time of Reagan before becoming presidents.Read these books so that understand how they think and why US is so successful.It the government and the citizens that protect their economy.They don't leave it to the whims of business men.Ask me why they doled out over 12trillion in 2009 for bailout by different countries?

Read clash of civilization bu Samuel Huntington and start thinking straight towards salvaging Nigeria

Lets stop getting to excited here. The fact of the matter is the our country has been failing in many respects, this is just one. MTN may have a very bad reputation, but it does not distract from the fact that the Nigerian business environment is far from friendly.

We as a people have a big job to do, it is not impossible, but we do have a big job, so the sooner we accept it and stop blaming others the better. Let us start from where is our President. Gone for 50days, has not decency to contact his citizens and then chooses BBC to break his slience.


If Nigeria is not so bad, how come the president had to leave the country from treatment, abi are we saying that in the giant of Africa, we cannot even establish and run one clinical centre of excellence?

@ londoner
I don’t know how long you spent in Ghana but as far as I know there are more than 5 Ghanaian own Banks in Ghana. Mind you am not talking about the ones owned by the government. the biggest non-banking Financial Service provider is fully Ghanaian owned and they have branches even here in the Netherlands and Germany. The short time that you might have spent in Ghana wouldn’t give you a compel profile of the country don’t also know of any fast food joint owned by a Nigerian, maybe you could furnish me with a name. Yeah you are right there are good number of business owned by Nigerian in Ghana, the reason been Ghana would accept anyone who is willing to invest but I don’t know if conditions in Nigeria are favorable enough for business. Just a couple of years ago there Nigerian government placed a ban on tomatoes imported from Ghana because they wanted to give leverage for local companies. Why do you think Shell wants to sell its stake in the Nigerian oil market and at the same time seeking to buy a stake in an oil field in western Ghana. I don’t hate Nigeria but sometime you have to be circumspect in your discussions.

I don't blame them. On a day some tax people of Lagos were harassing me for not paying enough (despite the fact that I paid exactly what I was billed) one of them boasted 'if you see what we did to Glo one day in this Lagos, you won't be making noise, you are too small to be talking loudly'. I realised then that we were somehow rendering the environment hostile to a lot of people.

They are in biz to make profit and with NEPA's misbehaviour and all the things going wrong, I don't blame anyone for running away.

Chapelle.S:

Read books!I have read all the books written by all US president since the time of Reagan before becoming presidents.Read these books so that understand how they think and why US is so successful.It the government and the citizens that protect their economy.They don't leave it to the whims of business men.Ask me why they doled out over 12trillion in 2009 for bailout by different countries?

Read clash of civilization bu Samuel Huntington and start thinking straight towards salvaging Nigeria

all these ur books havent helped you at all

u still dont know the difference between winding up a coy like michelin and dunlop did and movin an admin head to a safe/tax haven

maybe you should be reading econmic journals if u want to be participating in economic convos like this

whats my own with Obama?

when Nokia  moved it facilities from germany to Romania, the reason was clear. not because Romania has better friendly business environment, the  facts is the Roma's are far more cheaper than German trained technicians  and are easily manipulated.
this is the case with MtN  relocating cop. HQ to  Ghana

@Jrtorrents, well last time I checked Mr Biggs is Nigerian and I saw them in Ghana.

Yes, Shell may well be selling its deep offshore assets, but they are lining up to renew there licence also IN THE SAME NIGERIA. The Chinese, Indians and Russians are also trying to enter the maket, so there is obviously something which has sparked their interest. In the banking sector, international banks also want to come into the Nigerian market, so its not entirely true that all the traffic is one way.

I did see a few Ghanaian banks, you are in a better position to tell me whether Ghanaian banks are the best performing in Ghana though.

From what I saw foreign people seem to be running the show, I dont need to be there for years to see that.


Notwithstanding that, it is cklear that MTN saw more advantages in having their head office in Ghana than in Nigeria, that is an undesputable fact.

tkb417:

all these your books havent helped you at all

u still dont know the difference between winding up a coy like michelin and dunlop did and movin an admin head to a safe/tax haven

maybe you should be reading economic journals if u want to be participating in economic convos like this

whats my own with Obama?

big difference between reading and comprehension - or should one say he passed through the books but the books did not pass through him

as he is offline - a sure our admin has finally wielded his hammer of ban

MTN is free to locate its head office to anywhere in the world, so far the place is conducive for its operation. Come to think of it, MTN did not say it is pulling out of Nigeria,  but just relocating its head office to Ghana. So, what's the fuss about that? It is MTN that we should ask questions, not insulting Ghana.

Moreso, this shouldn't be seen as an opportunity to pour venoms on Ghana, but for our rulers to address the right issues. Na Ghana do us? Their rulers got their acts right and did the right thing to better their country. If ours has not got to do with corruption today, it'ld be telling us lies about the whereabout/state of health of our President, who is being kept in Aso Rock by tax payers money.

I'm a Nigerian working in the oil industry and been working with one of the oil giants for the past 18years and desires good things for myself, wife and children. After being fed up with the way things are going in my beloved country, I don't have any other option than to relocate my family to Accra, Ghana last year.

Things work out there please. Their rulers knows their responsibilites to their citizens and answerable to them. Most of their establishments dont treat their ciizens anyhow. If light is taken for more than 5minutes, it's got to do with faults and there are phone numbers to be called for explanations if need be. Do we have phone numbers of NEPA, sorry, PHCN? How is it being managed? Let's face reality, our country is gradually becoming a failed state, yet our leaders and even ourselves are not waking up to realities of life.

Ghananians are very friendly people, they are not jealous of Nigerians at all. I've travelled far and near within the short period of my relocation to Ghana, driving my vehicle with Nigeria plate number, yet I've never been abused or treated badly by their security personels. Security is stable, crime rate very low, you get value for what you pay for, peace of mind, quality/stability of education is far better than in Nigeria, traffic is less, compared to ours in Nigeria, nice/friendly environment. These are just to mention a few.

Let's leave Ghana out of this, but rather face our internal problems squarely. I'm not campaning for Ghana please, but trying to put things right for us. Ghana is a nice place to live in.

I still work in Nigeria, but lives in Ghana. My children schools there and my wife does her business there. Nigeria is my country, while to me, Ghana is the capital.

Come to think of it, I've also relocated my head office to Ghana, yet my relatives lives in Nigeria.

I would agree that Ghana has nice places, and we can learn a thing or two from Ghana.

Sir Kay, the leaders of Ghana did not just get up and do the right thing, THE PEOPLE made it difficult for them not to. If you are from Lagos, then you could have had a different experience of Nigeria in a different part. Lagos, is actually one of the worst places in Nigeria IMO, whether for crime or most other things. Lagos is not the whole of Nigeria is it?

You may not have been pertered with you Nigerian number plate, but my Ghanaian boyfriend was stopped constantly and had to pay bribes.

To be honest, the average person I saw in Ghana is going through some of the EXACT same things as Nigerians. People are acting as if Ghana is some kind of Utopia, and I didn't see that at all.

I am stopping all my families and friends from calling me with MTN,

There is no economic justification for their action.

@londoner

my bad I didn’t know Mr. Biggs was Nigerian owned, I had the impression it was south African. but if you did stay in Ghana for long you would know Mr Biggs came nowhere near Papaye and Frankies which are Ghanaian owned(at least partly). And from the bank awards this year some of the Nigerian and Ghana banks are doing better than banks form the UK and France.

oyb:


big difference between reading and comprehension - or should one say he passed through the books but the books did not pass through him

as he is offline - a sure our admin has finally wielded his hammer of ban

lol; what did he do

shellboy:

I am stopping all my families and friends from calling me with MTN,

There is no economic justification for their action.

Good

We almost always attack the wrong target, that is what being Nigerian is all about today. US government
blacklists the country due to security concerns, we lash out at US and go as far as issuing an ultimatum.
President Obama left out Nigeria in his itinerary and people begin to reign insults at him. MTN joins a list of
companies relocating their head offices from Nigeria to Ghana and people are shouting revoke their license.
Its just so typical of Nigerians.

You guys can keep abusing everyone else, but not until the Nigerian leadership is made to be moderately
accountable, you need to pace yourselves because there will be a lot more of this coming. The simple truth
known to the world now (maybe except for some Nigerians) is that the country is gradually grinding to a halt.
QED.

@ londoner,

Thanks for that. I have my house in Lagos, though I'm an Ibadan man. I've been to almost all the states in Nigeria, including Abuja.

Crime is everywhere in Nigeria, though their rates are different in the states.

Agreed their people made it difficult for them initially, but their leaders forged their ways to make things work. Here are the citizens and some of us foreigners enjoying the fruits of what they did today. Let Nigeria leaders do the right thing forcefully on us, at least we'll see it to enjoy. At least they all travel everywhere and see how things works in these country.

shellboy:

I am stopping all my families and friends from calling me with MTN,

There is no economic justification for their action.

beans

deor03:

Good

why u no go say good - no be glo u dey  

tkb417:

lol; what did he do

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