Mujtahida:

Na wa oooo. I used to hear one Nijeria and I thought it was a concept coined by the Hausa or Fulanis. But I did some bit of research and found out that Zik in an interview granted in the 70s said that he coined the concept of 'One Nigeria' and advanced the idea of the ‘The Indivisibility and perpetuity of the federation’
https://www.dailytrust.com.ng/news/general/my-role-in-the-civil-war-by-zik/119382.html

Just now your post on the six geopolitical zones piqued my curiosity. Before now I thought it was an Hausa or Fulani creation. But I just did some research now and found that it was Alex Ekwueme who propounded the principle of the six geopolitical zones during the 1994 Constitutional Conference convened by Abacha.

https://www.dailytrust.com.ng/news/general/discordant-tunes-over-6-geo-political-zones/191175.html

https://www.today.ng/opinion/75194/the-debate-about-nigerias-structure

It's kind of ironic in the light of history and the current going ons.

. you forgot to add that they are agitating for restructuring and reverting to federalism and decentralized power but it was their brother Gen Aguyi Ironsi who made the current system we are running now ,most of the problems they are. complaining of today are self inflicted...

Mujtahida:

You have said nothing here other than to add that East Central State was created in addition to two other states out of the old Eastern region.

If you do not understand the real reasons why Gowon created those States at that point in time (27th May 1967,declaration of Biafra 30th May 1967)

then I'd query the kind of student of history that you claim to be. All the other things you said regarding lagos, administration, field commanders are beside the point and have nothing to do with the reason behind the creation of those states and how it gravely affected the outcome of the war which is my main point. So stay on course and don't swerve

Moreover, I hope you know that Victor Banjo was a Yoruba man who was a top ranking Biafran as well as other yoruba men who fought on the Biafran side. How is that for your last paragraph?

There are ulterior motives and as well as stated motives. In all, the motives converged to show the inherent insincerity of the people of northern region of Nigeria. Now if you dwell on the crap that creation of 12 states was to give the minorities a say in the government, I shall leave you to your creator. In addition, if you deduced that the creation of the 12 states was to render Ojukwu's eastern region powerless, the insincerity of people of northern region in their cry against unitary government and the main reason Ironsi was overthrown remain laughable. Again, it is pure laughable to think that the creation of 12 states was master stroke in Nigeria/Biafra war. What decided the war in favor of Nigeria never resided in Nigeria.

drewxx88:
. you forgot to add that they are agitating for restructuring and reverting to federalism and decentralized power but it was their brother Gen Aguyi Ironsi who made the current system we are running now ,most of the problems they are. complaining of today are self inflicted...

I guess one of the reasons Gen. Ironsi was overthrown remains the issue of unitary government. How was the current system is Ironsi when he was overthrown to change the government? Are you still living on the fake news of yesteryears without adequate research or the acts of insincerity Nigerians are known remain part of you too?

A lot has been said on igbos been landlocked. But one thing is for sure. The potential residue of Nigeria will be dominated by so-called North.
I am really wondering how elections nomination and results will play out in the the southwest, south south and middle belt region. I am still wondering how you guys will keep up with the lopsided appointments,conflicting interest of the Nigerian and sharia constitution. Where your fundamental human, in alienable right to freedom and pursuit of happiness will be guaranteed.
How you guys will be locked by security agencies up for defending yourselves against northern / fulani indigenes who attack you in your own ancestral land.
I believe the op is better off thinking about how his region will survive all these man made tsunami, in the potential residue of Nigeria.

I think, people like the op really want the Igbo to stay.I really wonder how he will survive been minority in potential hostile country. This write up has fear written all over it. The fear not of the Igbo, but of the unknown for Nigeria.
The middle belt is better off, most of them are religiously homogeneous. They can share some bilateral relationship with Biafra.
But if peradventure, the Yoruba decide to leave, it won't work,because there is no clear boundary to control religious controversy hence their case is worse off. Theirs will be the continuation of struggle for religious supremacy. And be sure , the north will not be neutral.
For the south south region, they have a choice to chose which is the lesser evil between Biafra civil friendship and North hostile dominance.
Land locked you said, I think in the bigger picture, it is the Igbos that will have the last laugh, because food can be manufactured, trade can be made, but cultural and religious conflicts are almost impossible to handle in Nigeria.
In the end, not choosing is also a choice.
Enough of all these Igbo talk, its meaningless talking about somebody as future, when you don't know about yours.

anibi9674:
Bonny is not igwenga, onne is not even ogoni it is eleme

Whats the difference between Ogoni and Eleme.

HarryDuce:
Don't kid yourself dude. Bonny is Bonny. You can carry your manufactured nonsense to the bins.

Are you from Bonny?

victorvezx:

I can sense ur fear from far away, the fear of Biafra being only the 5 south east states and landlocked. I sense the fear that u know u can't take any part of the south south except through war, which u know u will loose. U are just sounding tough, but deep down, u are afraid

... io the consequence if that war. Of the HUNGER that will ravage their belly.

Mujtahida:

You have said nothing here other than to add that East Central State was created in addition to two other states out of the old Eastern region. If you do not understand the real reasons why Gowon created those States at that point in time (27th May 1967,declaration of Biafra 30th May 1967) then I'd query the kind of student of history that you claim to be. All the other things you said regarding lagos, administration, field commanders are beside the point and have nothing to do with the reason behind the creation of those states and how it gravely affected the outcome of the war which is my main point. So stay on course and don't swerve

Moreover, I hope you know that Victor Banjo was a Yoruba man who was a top ranking Biafran as well as other yoruba men who fought on the Biafran side. How is that for your last paragraph?

If you know the real factor that made Gowons creation of south eastern and Rivers states to have negative impact on biafran war then the path you toe in this your thread is a wrong path. You refused to recognise the identity of -your ss ibos- and call them iboland.
There is a great difference between ibo speaking area and iboland. It is only when the SE ibos recognise that the other ethnic ibos in SS have the right to determine their own fate that the lingering distrust between them will stop.
You went as far as claiming Bonny and Onne as iboland and expect them to joyously join you in biafra agitation when you are already trampling on their right to self determination.
The people of America speak english but that does not make them part of England. So be guided.

greenmonk:

Whats the difference between Ogoni and Eleme.

Ogoni is not town or community but ethnic nationality in Nigeria while Eleme has been a town or community but not ethnic nationality. Eleme is Igbo by ethnic nationality.

Dedetwo:


Ogoni is not town or community but ethnic nationality in Nigeria while Eleme has been a town or community but not ethnic nationality. Eleme is Igbo by ethnic nationality.

See mad geography，history and illitracy combined in one post.

anibi9674:
Bonny is not igwenga, onne is not even ogoni it is eleme

You are correct. Bonny is Anglicized Ubani. Onne is not Ogoni or part of the LGAs that made up Ogoni ethnic nationality. Onne is in and part of Eleme LGA.

greenmonk:

See mad geography，history and illitracy combined in one post.

The above post reeks ignorant only associated with most Nigerians based on idiotic system of the education in Nigeria today. Nigerian educational system can no longer produce a student with basic knowledge of his/her town. What have skewed geography and draconian boundary adjustment in Nigeria got to do with ethnic nationality?

Danielmoore:
Nyesom wike
Rotimi amaechi
Peter odili
Are from which tribe please

.igbos are day dreamers

Dedetwo:


The above post reeks ignorant only associated with most Nigerians based on idiotic system of the education in Nigeria today. Nigerian educational system can no longer produce a student with basic knowledge of his/her town. What have skewed geography and draconian boundary adjustment in Nigeria got to with ethnic nationality?

So from your well rounded education eleme became an igbo ethnic nationality in plac of Ogoni.
runs out of thread.

ezeagu:


As an intelligent poster said in another thread, an Igbo mind you, referendums happen once, they cost money, they won't just be popping up and down as any small city or village demands. The SE leaving will mean the SE leaving alone, when the Yugoslavia split, the ethnic communities outised of the main homeland were living behind walls, no such thing as re-referendum, look at Kosovo and Albania. The voice of the Igbo in Asaba and so on will be drowned out, there will be little they can do once a referendum has been signed and sealed, the whole debacle will not be opened again just so that Asaba can join the SE, the rest of Nigeria will make sure of that.

Port Harcourt is also a very tricky one because without any kind of Igbo consciousness among Ikwere people, Port Harcourt is gone, unless you want to go to war for Ikwere indigenous lands because of Igbo migrants.

As I've been saying, IPOB doesn't know what they are doing, I opened a thread on why the 'Biafra' movement should be centred on Igbo land and what people are realising now is exactly why that should be. Without Igbo consciousness outside of the SE you can kiss Port Harcourt and co goodbye because they will not go, the IPOB protesting there are mostly migrants, the people who occupied Igbo houses during the war still occupy them and you people are calling them Biafrans.

The idea that Kalabari or Ibibio, etc will demand to join the SE is far fetched, all of these groups are worried about Igbo domination, so why will they fall into the den of the Igbo people?

It's obvious most Igbo people do not wish to learn about their neighbours and what their neighbours think of the Igbo, because it will surprise you, not this foolish IPOB propaganda about Igwa Nga and Igala Biafrans.

This exactly what the original post is saying. It is an appeal to IPOB to thread softly because if they accept this referendum offer from the Northern youth groups, they may push South East into a mess of being a landlocked country that doesn't even have an access to the sea for international trade and has to depend on the same Nigeria 'it agitated against' for independence to export or import. Caution is not cowardice.

@ezeagu,
The last part of the original post says;

"Igbos should ignore this ‘referendum gift’ and remain in Nigeria and fight for their rights, because Biafra without Igbo ports of Port Harcourt (Igwe Ocha), Onne, or Bonny (Igwe Ngaa), would not be viable, and enemies of the Igbo will laugh. They will come on forums like Nairaland to mock you mercilessly.

"If you chose to agitate legally, which is your right (I for one believe we should give Nigeria another chance), then, agitate democratically and make sure you gain at least a port for the country you want. If for any reason you can’t do that, better remain in this house that Zik built (where you have 5-7 Igbo controlled states in SE and SS and give Nigeria a chance to succeed.

Source: http://www.igbodefender.com/2017/06/22/port-harcourt-bonny-onne-ports-at-stake-if-igbos-chose-biafra-referendum/#more-559

greenmonk:

So from your well rounded education eleme became an igbo ethnic nationality in plac of Ogoni.
runs out of thread.

People such as you with inferior mentality for education have always ignorantly termed Eleme as Ogoni. Besides the element of self denial, which runs amok in the so-called South-South, no reasonable Eleme person will take it kindly if referred as Ogoni. I remembered when certain jokers were referring Afam as Ogoni too.

greenmonk:

See mad geography，history and illitracy combined in one post.

Don't mind him today hes Ikwerre tomorrow he is Ndoki, full blood ipob landgrabber

@ezeagu, If it becomes certain that Igbos will get that referendum, you might actually be shocked that certain Niger Deltans will join. Not because we love the Biafran dream but Nigeria is messed up and once in Biafra, Igbos cannot hold us back from whatever we choose to become after Biafra.

Biafra referendum once certain to happen, ultimately, becomes that means to the desired end.

HarryDuce:
Don't let your insecurities get the better of you. I can't be relaxed when some enthusiast is spreading half-truths.

Half-truths? Meaning there is actually some elements of truth in what he's saying, what I don't get is where this burning hatred between the Igbos and the ethnicities in the south stems from, it's funny u mentioned insecurities, I can't be more insecure than a man who's hoping to inherit another man's Labour.

greenmonk:


If you know the real factor that made Gowons creation of south eastern and Rivers states to have negative impact on biafran war then the path you toe in this your thread is a wrong path. You refused to recognise the identity of -your ss ibos- and call them iboland.
There is a great difference between ibo speaking area and iboland. It is only when the SE ibos recognise that the other ethnic ibos in SS have the right to determine their own fate that the lingering distrust between them will stop.
YOU WENT AS FAR AS CLAIMING BONNY AND ONNE AS IGBOLAND AND EXPECT THEM TO JOYOUSLY JOIN YOU IN BIAFRA AGITATION WHEN YOU ARE ALREADY TRAMPLING ON THEIR RIGHT TO SELF DETERMINATION.
The people of America speak english but that does not make them part of England. So be guided.

I am not sure that this is in response to me because you are supporting rather than countering me. Go back and read my other postings on this thread. I have no where made assertions regarding the part of your writing emphasised.

ezeagu:


As an intelligent poster said in another thread, an Igbo mind you, referendums happen once, they cost money, they won't just be popping up and down as any small city or village demands. The SE leaving will mean the SE leaving alone, when the Yugoslavia split, the ethnic communities outised of the main homeland were living behind walls, no such thing as re-referendum, look at Kosovo and Albania. The voice of the Igbo in Asaba and so on will be drowned out, there will be little they can do once a referendum has been signed and sealed, the whole debacle will not be opened again just so that Asaba can join the SE, the rest of Nigeria will make sure of that.

Port Harcourt is also a very tricky one because without any kind of Igbo consciousness among Ikwere people, Port Harcourt is gone, unless you want to go to war for Ikwere indigenous lands because of Igbo migrants.

As I've been saying, IPOB doesn't know what they are doing, I opened a thread on why the 'Biafra' movement should be centred on Igbo land and what people are realising now is exactly why that should be. Without Igbo consciousness outside of the SE you can kiss Port Harcourt and co goodbye because they will not go, the IPOB protesting there are mostly migrants, the people who occupied Igbo houses during the war still occupy them and you people are calling them Biafrans.

The idea that Kalabari or Ibibio, etc will demand to join the SE is far fetched, all of these groups are worried about Igbo domination, so why will they fall into the den of the Igbo people?

It's obvious most Igbo people do not wish to learn about their neighbours and what their neighbours think of the Igbo, because it will surprise you, not this foolish IPOB propaganda about Igwa Nga and Igala Biafrans.

utter rubbish

Dedetwo:


There are ulterior motives and as well as stated motives. In all, the motives converged to show the inherent insincerity of the people of northern region of Nigeria. Now if you dwell on the crap that creation of 12 states was to give the minorities a say in the government, I shall leave you to your creator. In addition, if you deduced that the creation of the 12 states was to render Ojukwu's eastern region powerless, the insincerity of people of northern region in their cry against unitary government and the main reason Ironsi was overthrown remain laughable. Again, it is pure laughable to think that the creation of 12 states was master stroke in Nigeria/Biafra war. What decided the war in favor of Nigeria never resided in Nigeria.

My point is that the creation of the twelve States as a political and militarily strategic move. affected the prosecution and the outcome of the war both. Where was oil located? Since the discovery of oil it has always been very important in the prosecution of war. Now read the below:
On 27 May 1967, Gowon proclaimed the division of Nigeria into twelve states. This decree carved the Eastern Region in three parts: South Eastern State , Rivers State , and
East Central State . Now the Igbos, concentrated in the East Central State, would lose control over most of the petroleum, located in the other two areas. [73][74]
On 30 May 1967, Ojukwu declared independence of the Republic of Biafra .
The Federal Military Government immediately placed an embargo on all shipping to and from Biafra—but not on oil tankers. [72][73] Biafra quickly moved to collect oil royalties from oil companies doing business within its borders. [73] When Shell-BP acquiesced to this request at the end of June, the Federal Government extended its blockade to include oil. [75] The blockade, which most foreign actors accepted, played a decisive role in putting Biafra at a disadvantage from the beginning of the war. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Civil_War

Mind you I do not dispute your assertion that alien influences determined the outcome of the war but note that in a situation of this magnitude the influences are numerous and multi dimensional. So you'd be dead wrong if you posit that foreign influences were the ONLY reasons why Biafra lost the war. If you opine that it was ONE of the cause, I'd agree with you.

Dedetwo:


Ogoni is not town or community but ethnic nationality in Nigeria while Eleme has been a town or community but not ethnic nationality. Eleme is Igbo by ethnic nationality.

Blood of Jeremiah!

nengibo:
Igbos and their usual show of stupidity, Bonny is now Igwenga, let this their referendum come sef so dat abandon property part 2 will begin

All ye lazy LOTS... Always looking for abandoned property and thats why God in his infinite mercy never allow progress and prosperity amongs you.

0taPiaPia:



All ye lazy LOTS... Always looking for abandoned property and thats why God in his infinite mercy never allow progress and prosperity amongs you.

Bring your biafra rubbish to Rivers and watch a repeat of it. Ipoo youth!

desmondneke:
this kanu of a man was just sent to kill innocent igbo people...the sooner they realise this the better fr them.....ask ojukwu wetin happen o....we all clamour fr peace and unity....b4 I hear say my igbo friends don de fight war abeg o!

You mean Kanu put guns in the hands of Nigerian soldiers and asked them to open fire on unarmed people?

Or are you arguing that it is part of the duty of the Nigerian Army to be shooting unarmed people when there isnt even any war?

Mujtahida:

I am not sure that this is in response to me because you are supporting rather than countering me. Go back and read my other postings on this thread. I have no where made assertions regarding the part of your writing emphasised.

Sorry！ The post was not directed at you but at the land grabbers who want to colonise every ethnic minority in the South South in the guise of biafra agitation.

SnowJay92:


Half-truths? Meaning there is actually some elements of truth in what he's saying, what I don't get is where this burning hatred between the Igbos and the ethnicities in the south stems from, it's funny u mentioned insecurities, I can't be more insecure than a man who's hoping to inherit another man's Labour.

There are Igbos in Onne and Bonny just as there are Igbos everywhere else.


Another mans labour you say, the insecurities couldn't be more glaring. Anyways there is more than one side to an argument.


Debunking not-so-clever lies is what i can see. I dont know where hatred comes in.

Ekinematics:



Bring your biafra rubbish to Rivers and watch a repeat of it. Ipoo youth!

Is that all. As a Nigerian, what have you achieved perhaps through this nation ?

kingzizzy:


And Im telling you that a SE referendum cannot be forced because neither the SE or the SS exist in Nigerian law. What is recognised in the Nigerian constitution is Igbo, not SE or SS. So if a referendum is held just for Igbos, it will be in the congregation of wards that identify as Igbo. Wards and Igbo are recognised in Nigerian law, SS and SE are not.

don,t foolish dude....u can,t force pple to join ur biafra ok

Ekinematics:



Blood of Jeremiah!

E dey dere blood, it can't be helped