johnw74:

uben, more lies of yours and satans church exposed:


THE TRUE CHURCH

The Roman Catholic Church claims to be God's true Church and all members are to promise obedience to the Bishop of Rome, whom she claims is successor to Saint Peter, Prince of the Apostles and Vicar of Jesus Christ.

The Roman Catholic Church is built on the assumption that in Matthew 16:13-19 Jesus appointed Peter the first pope and so founded His Church and established the papacy. If this is true, then all true Christians must become Catholic. If it is false, the whole Catholic religion is false and cultic and no true Christians could be identified with such a system. We must, then, search the Scriptures in order to know what is true. The Scriptures are not merely the writings of men, “But holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit” (II Peter 1:21). “All Scripture is inspired by God and useful for teaching, for reproving, for correcting, for instructing in justice; that the man of God may be perfect, equipped for every good work: (II Timothy 3:16-17). “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words (the Bible) shall not pass away” (Matthew 24:35). Both Scripture and history testify to the authenticity, reliability, efficiency, and sufficiency of the Bible. Though some Catholic translations are better than others, all are reliable enough for general study with Catholics.

When Jesus, in Matthew 16:18, said, "Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it" He used the demonstrative "this" (taute), pointing to Peter's confession, "Thou are the Christ, the Son of the living God" as the rock. Jesus said, "Thou are Peter (petros, a stone - all believers are stones, see I Peter 2:5 and Ephesians 2:21), and upon this rock (petra, a huge rock foundation - the confession that Jesus is the Christ), I will build my church". He did not promise to build His Church upon Peter. Jesus would not have trusted such a precious possession as His Church to the leadership of even one fallible man much less a whole succession of them. The pope of Rome is called the Vicar of the Son of God (Vicarius Filii Dei). In the Bible we find that the Holy Spirit, not a pope, was sent to take the place of Jesus on earth. That is what Vicar means. The Holy Spirit was given to guide us into all truth (John 16:7-15) and the Scriptures were given for teaching, for reproving, for correction, and for instruction (II Timothy 3:16). Christ did not leave His Church to human leadership. Jesus Himself is still the Head of His Church. He speaks to us through His infallible Word, the Holy Scriptures, by His ever present and infallible Holy Spirit.

Let us remember that Christ is the Rock and only Head of the Church. I Corinthians 3:11. For other foundation no one can lay, but that which has been laid, which is Christ Jesus.
I Corinthians 10:4. The rock was Christ.
Ephesians 1:22,23. Head over all the Church.
Ephesians 2:20. Christ Jesus... the chief corner stone.

Around thirty-four times in the Old Testament God is call a Rock or the Rock of Israel. You see, the Bible clearly teaches that when Jesus founded His Church, He was to be the only Head, the Holy Spirit the Vicar and Guide, and the Bible the only authority for faith and practice. All true Christians constitute THE TRUE CHURCH (those in whom the Holy Spirit dwells, who believe and obey Christ's teachings). True believers were called "Christians", not "Catholics".
Acts 11:26 Disciples were first called Christians.
Acts 26:28 Persuade me to become a Christian.
I Peter 4:16 Suffer as a Christian

There were no Roman Catholics until Christianity was merged with paganism into a state religion around 315 A.D. The true Christians obeyed God's Word, they never joined in the pagan corruption. The gates of hell have never prevailed against the true believers, they are few, their way is narrow, they would rather suffer martyrdom than compromise the Word of God or deny their Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. "Go out from her, my people, that you may not share in her sins, and that you may not receive of her plagues" (Apocalypse 18:4). Believers must not be identified with compromising or counterfeit Churches!

mtc dot org

[The spiritual man] shall also judge those who give rise
to schisms, who are destitute of the love of God, and
who look to their own special advantage rather than to
the unity of the Church; and who for trifling reasons, or
any kind of reason which occurs to them, cut in pieces
and divide the great and glorious body of Christ, and so
far as in them lies, destroy it — men who prate of peace
while they give rise to war, and do in truth strain out a
gnat, but swallow a camel. For they can bring about no
"reformation" of enough importance to compensate for
the evil arising from their schism. . . . True knowledge is



that which consists in the doctrine of the apostles, and
the ancient constitution of the Church throughout all the
world, and the distinctive manifestation of the body of
Christ according to the successions of the bishops, by
which they have handed down that Church which exists
in every place [i.e., the Catholic Church] (ibid., 4:33:7-.



AD 189

Whoever is separated from the Church and is joined to
an adulteress [a schismatic church] is separated from
the promises of the Church, nor will he that forsakes the
Church of Christ attain to the rewards of Christ. He is an
alien, a worldling, and an enemy. He cannot have God for
his Father who has not the Church for his mother (The
Unity of the Catholic Church 6, 1st ed. [A.D. 251 ]).

so if as you claim the Catholic church didn't exist before AD300 what church was origen talking about above?

Ubenedictus:
go and make your own new testament, stop using the one Satan's Church compiled

christians do use their own bibles, and not the mix of inspired and uninspired books of the rc bible
@bold, you have said the truth for once

Ubenedictus:
now you are lying against the Catholic church. well done

the matter of subject is "the rcc saying works along with faith is needed for salvation"

and of course yet again you twist and lie trying to change the subject to:

"that it is God who does the good works in a saved Christian" which even rc believe



you couldn't answer the first so you changed it to something else.
you uben are such liar and deceiver, of course

Ubenedictus:



John 6:55
For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.



Luke. 22:19

And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and
gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for
you; do this in remembrance of me."


argue with Christ.



some Protestants are just faithless.

Jesus himself took bread and said it is his body, the same body which he give for us, Jesus said it but modern day Protestant say no, it is a lie it is not the body given up for up it is only a symbol. it is just faithlessness.


Are you even aware that the heresy you believe about the Eucharist is a 16th invention by a man called John Calvin? so for 1600years no Christian ever taught that the Eucharist is symbolic but you just follow and end time doctrine, a doctrine of a man in the 16th century?

sorry for you, even the Bible prophesied it, end time Church, end time doctrine, end time Christian.


sorry, I will accept the words of Christ, and the historic witness of all Christian for 2000years over the invention and heresy of a man called John Calvin and his followers.

ha ha you haven't a clue about understanding God's word, and of course you cannot:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.



truly a priest - disciple of satan cannot turn bread into the flesh of Christ
truly a priest - disciple of satan cannot turn wine into the blood of Jesus

satan of course would like to deceive you, and he does big time

Ubenedictus:

[The spiritual man] shall also judge those who give rise
to schisms, who are destitute of the love of God, and
who look to their own special advantage rather than to
the unity of the Church; and who for trifling reasons, or
any kind of reason which occurs to them, cut in pieces
and divide the great and glorious body of Christ, and so
far as in them lies, destroy it — men who prate of peace
while they give rise to war, and do in truth strain out a
gnat, but swallow a camel. For they can bring about no
"reformation" of enough importance to compensate for
the evil arising from their schism. . . . True knowledge is



that which consists in the doctrine of the apostles, and
the ancient constitution of the Church throughout all the
world, and the distinctive manifestation of the body of
Christ according to the successions of the bishops, by
which they have handed down that Church which exists
in every place [i.e., the Catholic Church] (ibid., 4:33:7-.



AD 189

Whoever is separated from the Church and is joined to
an adulteress [a schismatic church] is separated from
the promises of the Church, nor will he that forsakes the
Church of Christ attain to the rewards of Christ. He is an
alien, a worldling, and an enemy. He cannot have God for
his Father who has not the Church for his mother (The
Unity of the Catholic Church 6, 1st ed. [A.D. 251 ]).

so if as you claim the Catholic church didn't exist before AD300 what church was origen talking about above?

i don't personally care when the rcc was formed
it was seperate from the true church that is for sure

the true church never taugh mary worship and having idols etc. etc. etc.

uben, more lies of yours and satans church exposed:

THE POPE

The Pope is called "Our Holy Father". See encyclical letter of Pope Leo XIII in the Douay Version of the Bible. He is also called "Our Most Holy Lord", Pope Pius X. See Cardinals Oath. Moreri, a famous historian said, "To make war against the Pope is to make war against God, seeing the Pope is God and God is the Pope". Decius said, "The Pope can do all things God can do". Pope Leo XIII said of himself, "The supreme teacher in the Church is the Roman Pontiff. Union of minds, therefore, requires, together with a perfect accord in the one faith, complete submission and obedience of will to the Church and to the Roman Pontiff, as to God himself." Pope Pius X said, "The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ himself hidden under the veil of the flesh. Does the Pope speak? It is Jesus Christ who speaks." Pope Pius XI once declared, "You know that I am the Holy Father, the representative of God on earth, the Vicar of Christ, which means that I am God on the earth." All this is blasphemy!
Isaias 44:8 Is there a God besides me?
Matthew 23:9 Call no one on earthyour father.
Ephesians 4:5 One Lord.
Philippians 2:11 Jesus Christ is inthe glory of God the Father.
I Peter 5:3 Nor yet as lording it over your charges.
I Peter 5:1-4 I, your fellow-presbyter.

Peter called himself a presbyter (pastor), not a pope. He refused honor (Acts 10:25,26) saying "Stand up for I myself also am a man". The apostles argued regarding who was greatest in the kingdom (Matthew 18:1) which indicates that even they did not accept Peter as head of the Church. The wealth and power of the Roman Popes could have come to Peter or any of the apostles. They had charisma, they could heal and raise the dead and perform many other miracles. They could have accumulated gold and land and conquering armies, but they gave away all that was placed at their feet (Acts 4:37, 3:6). They rejoiced that they were counted worthy to suffer for the name of Jesus Christ (Acts 5:41). How could anyone be so naive as to think that the papacy evolved out of such humility and simplicity. The office of Pope is of pagan origin and cannot in any way be substantiated in Scripture. Because of the work and ministry of the Holy Spirit, such an office is not necessary or even desirable.

@bold, rc's would believe anything their church told them

easymancfc:

I have two questions..
You said petros means stone??.. If I go to the Greek of scripture.. will I see petros for every time stone is mentioned

2. Peter was also called Kephas?? see John 1:42.. does Kephas also means stone..

Thank you..

i don't know why you want to be confused over the names peter and cephas
and over the definitions of rock and stone
when it's clear from the Bible that "Jesus Christ, the Son of the living God" is the rock that His Church is built on

for those with eyes to see, it's very clear that Jesus Christ Church is built on the rock, the truth that:
"Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God"


(Mat 16:15)  He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

(Mat 16:16)  And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

(Mat 16:17)  And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

(Mat 16:18)  And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.



the rock is: "Jesus" and Jesus is the Truth
the rock, truth is: "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God"


1Co_10:4  And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Joh_14:6  Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


the rock that followed them was Jesus Christ, the truth

Jesus Christ the truth, is that rock


what is the truth that Jesus church is built on: "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God"

johnw74:


i don't know why you want to be confused over the names peter and cephas
and over the definitions of rock and stone
when it's clear from the Bible that "Jesus Christ, the Son of the living God" is the rock that His Church is built on

for those with eyes to see, it's very clear that Jesus Christ Church is built on the rock, the truth that:
"Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God"


(Mat 16:15)  He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

(Mat 16:16)  And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

(Mat 16:17)  And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

(Mat 16:18)  And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.



the rock is: "Jesus" and Jesus is the Truth
the rock, truth is: "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God"


1Co_10:4  And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Joh_14:6  Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


the rock that followed them was Jesus Christ, the truth

Jesus Christ the truth, is that rock


what is the truth that Jesus church is built on: "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God"

There's no confusion...
I asked a simple question... please answer it directly...

Thank you

easymancfc:

There's no confusion...
I asked a simple question... please answer it directly...

Thank you

if you want the meaning of the words rock and stone consult a dictionary
if you want to know who is "the rock" then read my posts

johnw74:


if you want the meaning of the words rock and stone consult a dictionary
if you want to know who is "the rock" then read my posts

.It seems you are avoiding the question... you said petros means stone.. am asking since the Bible (new testament) was written in Greek.. according to you petros means stone.. will I find petros in the Greek for every time stone is mentioned.. Yes or No...

easymancfc:

I have two questions..
You said petros means stone??.. If I go to the Greek of scripture.. will I see petros for every time stone is mentioned

2. Peter was also called Kephas?? see John 1:42.. does Kephas also means stone..

Thank you..

easymancfc:

There's no confusion...
I asked a simple question... please answer it directly...

Thank you

easymancfc:

.It seems you are avoiding the question... you said petros means stone.. am asking since the Bible (new testament) was written in Greek.. according to you petros means stone.. will I find petros in the Greek for every time stone is mentioned.. Yes or No...

you don't like my replies, fine
now go and cry to someone else

johnw74:









you don't like my replies, fine
now go and cry to someone else

No sir.. its not about not liking your replies.. its about truth.. you claim the RCC is lying.. I want truth so I want to explore all angles... so please answer the question...

Here's another that doesn't seem clear...
You say Jesus is the Rock quoting 1 cor 10:4 and you say that Rock is used as title for God all over the old testament.. Yet you claim the rock in Mathew 16:18 is Peter's confession...

So which is it.. Is Jesus the Rock or is Peter's confession the Rock...

easymancfc:


No sir.. its not about not liking your replies.. its about truth.. you claim the RCC is lying.. I want truth so I want to explore all angles... so please answer the question...

Here's another that doesn't seem clear...
You say Jesus is the Rock quoting 1 cor 10:4 and you say that Rock is used as title for God all over the old testament.. Yet you claim the rock in Mathew 16:18 is Peter's confession...

So which is it.. Is Jesus the Rock or is Peter's confession the Rock...

no i don't believe i will
i expose rc's lies i don't waste to much time helping them, that's shown to be a waste of time
i post what i want to, not what satans disciples tell me to

johnw74:


no i don't believe i will
i expose rc's lies i don't waste to much time helping them, that's shown to be a waste of time
i post what i want to, not what satans disciples tell me to

I have heard.. So please, answer my questions please.. so I can consider all angles.. thank you..

easymancfc:

I have heard.. So please, answer my questions please.. so I can consider all angles.. thank you..

consider this:

johnw74:


no i don't believe i will
i expose rc's lies i don't waste to much time helping them, that's shown to be a waste of time
i post what i want to, not what satans disciples tell me to

johnw74:


consider this:

in essence you don't want to answer the questions

easymancfc:

in essence you don't want to answer the questions

more like he is dodging the questions because he can't answer them.


he is happy to abuse other peoples faith but is ignorant of even what he claims

johnw74:


ha ha you haven't a clue about understanding God's word, and of course you cannot:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.



truly a priest - disciple of satan cannot turn bread into the flesh of Christ
truly a priest - disciple of satan cannot turn wine into the blood of Jesus

satan of course would like to deceive you, and he does big time

eya

so your church can't even discern the body of Christ


eya

1 cor 11:29

For those who eat and drink without discerning the
body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves.


John 6:55
For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
Luke. 22:19
And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and
gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for
you; do this in remembrance of me."



it is a pity you refuse to agree with the word of God simply because you adopted traditions of men made up by John Calvin in the 16 th century


see what God says about people like you
mat 15:8

… 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah prophesied correctly about
you: 8 ‘These people honor Me with their lips, but
their hearts are far from Me. 9 They worship Me in
vain; they teach as doctrine the precepts of men.’”

johnw74:


no i don't believe i will
i expose rc's lies i don't waste to much time helping them, that's shown to be a waste of time
i post what i want to, not what satans disciples tell me to

hehehe

you are happy to call people liars but when given the opportunity teach what you claim to be true you quickly run away cos you can't just do your usual copy and paste.

johnw74:

uben, more lies of yours and satans church exposed:

THE POPE

The Pope is called "Our Holy Father". See encyclical letter of Pope Leo XIII in the Douay Version of the Bible. He is also called "Our Most Holy Lord", Pope Pius X. See Cardinals Oath. Moreri, a famous historian said, "To make war against the Pope is to make war against God, seeing the Pope is God and God is the Pope". Decius said, "The Pope can do all things God can do". Pope Leo XIII said of himself, "The supreme teacher in the Church is the Roman Pontiff. Union of minds, therefore, requires, together with a perfect accord in the one faith, complete submission and obedience of will to the Church and to the Roman Pontiff, as to God himself." Pope Pius X said, "The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ himself hidden under the veil of the flesh. Does the Pope speak? It is Jesus Christ who speaks." Pope Pius XI once declared, "You know that I am the Holy Father, the representative of God on earth, the Vicar of Christ, which means that I am God on the earth." All this is blasphemy!
Isaias 44:8 Is there a God besides me?
Matthew 23:9 Call no one on earthyour father.
Ephesians 4:5 One Lord.
Philippians 2:11 Jesus Christ is inthe glory of God the Father.
I Peter 5:3 Nor yet as lording it over your charges.
I Peter 5:1-4 I, your fellow-presbyter.

Peter called himself a presbyter (pastor), not a pope. He refused honor (Acts 10:25,26) saying "Stand up for I myself also am a man". The apostles argued regarding who was greatest in the kingdom (Matthew 18:1) which indicates that even they did not accept Peter as head of the Church. The wealth and power of the Roman Popes could have come to Peter or any of the apostles. They had charisma, they could heal and raise the dead and perform many other miracles. They could have accumulated gold and land and conquering armies, but they gave away all that was placed at their feet (Acts 4:37, 3:6). They rejoiced that they were counted worthy to suffer for the name of Jesus Christ (Acts 5:41). How could anyone be so naive as to think that the papacy evolved out of such humility and simplicity. The office of Pope is of pagan origin and cannot in any way be substantiated in Scripture. Because of the work and ministry of the Holy Spirit, such an office is not necessary or even desirable.

@bold, rc's would believe anything their church told them

the papacy did evolve from such simplicity,

yes the pope is a presbyter, his official title is "servant of God's servants, yes about 30 popes were martyred for their faith in Christ many more were beaten, flogged and molested.


and peter was leader of the early church as his successor the pope is Today.

johnw74:


the matter of subject is "the rcc saying works along with faith is needed for salvation"

and of course yet again you twist and lie trying to change the subject to:

"that it is God who does the good works in a saved Christian" which even rc believe



you couldn't answer the first so you changed it to something else.
you uben are such liar and deceiver, of course

sometimes it is funny when people lie against the Catholic Church.

no one gets justified by faith AND WORKS that is a heresy to Say such, works come after you have been justified aka saved... works is what God does in us after we have been justified aka saved as part of our sanctification, and he reward this works by giving us even more grace.


in case you are confused, this is what the Catholic Church teaches


We confess together that sinners are justified by
faith in the saving action of God in Christ. By the
action of the Holy Spirit in baptism, they are
granted the gift of salvation, which lays the basis
for the whole Christian life. They place their trust in
God's gracious promise by justifying faith, which
includes hope in God and love for him. Such a faith
is active in love and thus the Christian cannot and
should not remain without works. But whatever in
the justified precedes or follows the free gift of
faith is neither the basis of justification nor merits
it.
31.We confess together that persons are justified by
faith in the gospel "apart from works prescribed by
the law" (Rom 3:28). Christ has fulfilled the law and
by his death and resurrection has overcome it as a
way to salvation. We also confess that God's
commandments retain their validity for the justified
and that Christ has by his teaching and example
expressed God's will which is a standard for the
conduct of the justified also.



http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/documents/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_31101999_cath-luth-joint-declaration_en.html

johnw74:


i don't personally care when the rcc was formed
it was seperate from the true church that is for sure

the true church never taugh mary worship and having idols etc. etc. etc.

so after you are caught in your lie you suddenly don't care about your lie anymore, OK, I'll let it go as a mistake.


please show me an example of this your true church in the 2nd,3rd and 4th century... or do you think the true Church only began in the 16th century?

johnw74:


christians do use their own bibles, and not the mix of inspired and uninspired books of the rc bible
@bold, you have said the truth for once

please tell me when these your Christians compiled their own new testament

easymancfc:

in essence you don't want to answer the questions

duh, u think

Ubenedictus:
more like he is dodging the questions because he can't answer them.


he is happy to abuse other peoples faith but is ignorant of even what he claims

and of course you rcc uben couldn't stop lying if your life depended on it,
and it does

Ubenedictus:


eya

so your church can't even discern the body of Christ


eya

1 cor 11:29

For those who eat and drink without discerning the
body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves.


John 6:55
For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
Luke. 22:19
And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and
gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for
you; do this in remembrance of me."



it is a pity you refuse to agree with the word of God simply because you adopted traditions of men made up by John Calvin in the 16 th century


see what God says about people like you
mat 15:8

… 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah prophesied correctly about
you: 8 ‘These people honor Me with their lips, but
their hearts are far from Me. 9 They worship Me in
vain; they teach as doctrine the precepts of men.’”

ha ha you uben think when you take communion
that you are eating the actual flesh of Christ

and in most every post uben you cannot help but lie and falsely accuse like your father and god satan does
before God

Ubenedictus:



hehehe

you are happy to call people liars but when given the opportunity teach what you claim to be true you quickly run away cos you can't just do your usual copy and paste.

yes i an happy to call liars, liars, you would know that very well uben

i told you before that i'm not interested in teaching satans church
but you are happy being a false accuser and a liar and i'm happy to call you one

yes i like my copy and paste that expose you, you don't ha ha, to bad

johnw74:


ha ha you uben think when you take communion
that you are eating the actual flesh of Christ

and in most every post uben you cannot help but lie and falsely accuse like your father and god satan does
before God

eya
1 cor 11:29
For those who eat and drink without discerning the
body of Christ eat and drink judgment on
themselves.
John 6:55
For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
Luke. 22:19
And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and
gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for
you; do this in remembrance of me."
it is a pity you refuse to agree with the word of God
simply because you adopted traditions of men made
up by John Calvin in the 16 th century
see what God says about people like you
mat 15:8
… 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah prophesied correctly
about
you: 8 ‘These people honor Me with their lips, but
their hearts are far from Me. 9 They worship Me in
vain; they teach as doctrine the precepts of men.’”

Ubenedictus:



sometimes it is funny when people lie against the Catholic Church.

no one gets justified by faith AND WORKS that is a heresy to Say such, works come after you have been justified aka saved... works is what God does in us after we have been justified aka saved as part of our sanctification, and he reward this works by giving us even more grace.


in case you are confused, this is what the Catholic Church teaches


We confess together that sinners are justified by
faith in the saving action of God in Christ. By the
action of the Holy Spirit in baptism, they are
granted the gift of salvation, which lays the basis
for the whole Christian life. They place their trust in
God's gracious promise by justifying faith, which
includes hope in God and love for him. Such a faith
is active in love and thus the Christian cannot and
should not remain without works. But whatever in
the justified precedes or follows the free gift of
faith is neither the basis of justification nor merits
it.
31.We confess together that persons are justified by
faith in the gospel "apart from works prescribed by
the law" (Rom 3:28). Christ has fulfilled the law and
by his death and resurrection has overcome it as a
way to salvation. We also confess that God's
commandments retain their validity for the justified
and that Christ has by his teaching and example
expressed God's will which is a standard for the
conduct of the justified also.



http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/documents/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_31101999_cath-luth-joint-declaration_en.html

@bold, ha ha that's what i told you uben, you changed the words a little,
now go back to the copy and paste post and see how rcc say one thing at one time
and then another thing at another time
you don't have Christ as your rock that is why your confusion

Ubenedictus:
so after you are caught in your lie you suddenly don't care about your lie anymore, OK, I'll let it go as a mistake.

truly i never lied but accuse away false accuser

Ubenedictus:

please show me an example of this your true church in the 2nd,3rd and 4th century... or do you think the true Church only began in the 16th century?

truly i don't care about that at all, you find it hard to accept the truth uben

Ubenedictus:
please tell me when these your Christians compiled their own new testament

i will tell you where you lie,
you keep me very busy with that,
don't you

you sure do post a lot of useless garbage uben

uben, more lies of yours and satans church exposed:

THE PRIESTHOOD

The Roman Catholic Church teaches that Jesus Christ ordained the twelve apostles to the priesthood at the Last Supper and that the powers of the priesthood were handed down during the past two thousand years. This teaching is clearly contrary to the Word of God.

In the Old Testament the work of Christ was prefigured under the three offices of prophet, priest and king. The nation of Israel had each office. With the coming of Christ each of these offices found its fulfillment in Him. Thus in the New Testament there is no need for a human sacrificing priesthood.
John 19:30. It is consummated.
I Timothy 2:5. There is one God, and one Mediator...Christ Jesus.
Hebrews 7:24. Because he continues forever, has an everlasting (non-transferable, intransmissible) priesthood.
Hebrews 7:25. He lives always to make intercession.
Hebrews 7:27. He does not need to offer sacrifices daily.
Hebrews 9:12. Having obtained eternal redemption.
Hebrews 10:10. We have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
I Corinthians 12:28. God indeed has placed some in the Church, first apostles, secondly prophets, thirdly teachers...(no mention of sacramental priests).
Ephesians 4:11. He Himself gave some men as apostles, and some as prophets, others again as evangelists, and others as pastors and teachers...(again no mention of sacramental priests).
I Peter 5:1-3. I, your fellow-presbyter and witness...(Nothing about being a priest).

The office of priest is not the same as minister. The concept of a mediating, sacrificing priesthood originated and developed under Cyprian, the theological authority in the West until the time of Augustine, and was part of the merger of paganism with Christianity. Nowhere in the Scriptures will on find evidence of a mediating, sacrificing priesthood after Christ.