johnw74:


did i say that or someone else, post the quotes or it's just more lies from uben




God did, He also said you rc's and other image lovers, hate Him:
(Deu 5:8] Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
(Deu 5:9) Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,



if true, they were obviously christian sects led away from the truth,
just as the rcc is led away, and into lies by their god satan

God's church - christians that believe God, don't have images - idols, truly

you said that in this post



johnw74 :
uben, more lies of yours and satans church exposed:
THE PRIESTHOOD
The Roman Catholic Church teaches that Jesus
Christ ordained the twelve apostles to the priesthood
at the Last Supper and that the powers of the
priesthood were handed down during the past two
thousand years. This teaching is clearly contrary to
the Word of God.
In the Old Testament the work of Christ was
prefigured under the three offices of prophet, priest
and king. The nation of Israel had each office. With
the coming of Christ each of these offices found its
fulfillment in Him. Thus in the New Testament there
is no need for a human sacrificing priesthood.
John 19:30. It is consummated.
I Timothy 2:5. There is one God, and one
Mediator...Christ Jesus.
Hebrews 7:24. Because he continues forever, has an
everlasting (non-transferable, intransmissible)
priesthood.
Hebrews 7:25. He lives always to make intercession.
Hebrews 7:27. He does not need to offer sacrifices
daily.
Hebrews 9:12. Having obtained eternal redemption.
Hebrews 10:10. We have been sanctified through the
offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
I Corinthians 12:28. God indeed has placed some in
the Church, first apostles, secondly prophets, thirdly
teachers... (no mention of sacramental priests) .
Ephesians 4:11. He Himself gave some men as
apostles, and some as prophets, others again as
evangelists, and others as pastors and teachers...
(again no mention of sacramental priests) .
I Peter 5:1-3. I, your fellow-presbyter and witness...
(Nothing about being a priest) .
The office of priest is not the same as minister. The
concept of a mediating, sacrificing priesthood
originated and developed under Cyprian, the
theological authority in the West until the time of
Augustine, and was part of the merger of paganism
with Christianity. Nowhere in the Scriptures will on
find evidence of a mediating, sacrificing priesthood
after Christ.

johnw74:


i certainly never did, post the quotes, habitual liar uben

however if you are talking of the rcc priesthood,
then i very well may have shown them up to be fake

he he he you claimed the new testament doesn't record a priesthood... now you're shifting.

you speak from both sides of your mouth, no wonder you're a Protestant

johnw74:


uben oh blinded one, God certainly did tell samuel that He God is a rock:
2Sa_22:32 For who is God, save the LORD? and who is a rock, save our God?

of course God is not a literal rock, but is our strength, a stronghold for believers:
2Sa 22:2 And he said, The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer;


2Ti_3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


God is not a literal rock, and rcc wafer and wine is not Jesus physical body and physical blood to be physically eaten
and drank,

rcc is full of lies and confusion, no understanding








it's hard to believe that even rc's can believe those things are literal

Jesus certinally was saying the truth,
and Jesus certinally was speaking figuratively

no one has actually eaten Jesus physical flesh,
or drank Jesus physical blood,

you uben, obviouslt cannot understand much at all of God's word




when Jesus said, do this in rememberance of me, he was saying to gather together,
to eat and drink, that's what they were doing, and to share their faith in Jesus


when Jesus said, do this in rememberance of me, He wasn't saying, give the people
a thin dry wafer of bread and tell them it's my literal body for them to eat

hahaha.


Jesus said my flesh is real food.

johnw74 says no Jesus flesh isn't real food


what more can we expect from followers of 16th century heretics

johnw74:


peter believed in baptism, did he believe in praying to dead persons?
no he didn't
did he believe in having statues - idols to those dead people etc. etc. etc.?
no he didn't, oh blinded one

as usual. you're been duplicitous, jumping from one topic to another.


and yes every early Christian worship place had images, I don't just believe the apostles would used images... even archeology says same.

johnw74:


truly oh blinded one, the original church - the apostles and disciples of Christ
never prayed to deceased people or had statues - idols etc. etc. etc.

so how come it is impossible to find a Christian worship place from 1st to 16th century that didn't have images?

Ubenedictus:
give me the name of the non Catholic who used the new testament before the Catholic Church?

if Catholic are pagan then tell me when the Protestant canonised their own new testament

duh, christians read the writings of peter paul and the others
long before the satanic roman catholic church was formed

you refer to rc's as pagan, but anyway they certinally are not christian
and i'm not interisted in searching for you: "when the protestant canonised their own new testament",
do the search yourself, it makes no diffrence at all to what i said except in your own blinded mind:

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Ubenedictus:
dodging as usual because you are unable to back up your claims

i back up all my claims with God's word,
you cannot do that even once

but you uben being who you are, of the devil, cannot tell the truth
and falsely accuse, always:

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Ubenedictus:



you said that in this post



johnw74 :
uben, more lies of yours and satans church exposed:
THE PRIESTHOOD
The Roman Catholic Church teaches that Jesus
Christ ordained the twelve apostles to the priesthood
at the Last Supper and that the powers of the
priesthood were handed down during the past two
thousand years. This teaching is clearly contrary to
the Word of God.
In the Old Testament the work of Christ was
prefigured under the three offices of prophet, priest
and king. The nation of Israel had each office. With
the coming of Christ each of these offices found its
fulfillment in Him. Thus in the New Testament there
is no need for a human sacrificing priesthood.
John 19:30. It is consummated.
I Timothy 2:5. There is one God, and one
Mediator...Christ Jesus.
Hebrews 7:24. Because he continues forever, has an
everlasting (non-transferable, intransmissible)
priesthood.
Hebrews 7:25. He lives always to make intercession.
Hebrews 7:27. He does not need to offer sacrifices
daily.
Hebrews 9:12. Having obtained eternal redemption.
Hebrews 10:10. We have been sanctified through the
offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
I Corinthians 12:28. God indeed has placed some in
the Church, first apostles, secondly prophets, thirdly
teachers... (no mention of sacramental priests) .
Ephesians 4:11. He Himself gave some men as
apostles, and some as prophets, others again as
evangelists, and others as pastors and teachers...
(again no mention of sacramental priests) .
I Peter 5:1-3. I, your fellow-presbyter and witness...
(Nothing about being a priest) .
The office of priest is not the same as minister. The
concept of a mediating, sacrificing priesthood
originated and developed under Cyprian, the
theological authority in the West until the time of
Augustine, and was part of the merger of paganism
with Christianity. Nowhere in the Scriptures will on
find evidence of a mediating, sacrificing priesthood
after Christ.

uben, i told you: "i have no problem with paul and the other apostles being priests of God"
and you replied: first you say there are no priesthood in the new testament. now I have proven you wrong and you have diverted into another thing.

uben you have proven nothing, except your confusion

then uben, you again falsely accuse: "it must be confusing for you after you attacked the priesthood only to find its in the Bible"

truly there was no attack on anything, just a showing of the truth


that above which you posted uben, i copied and pasted from a christian website, which you know,
you kept accusing of copying and pasting, as if there is something wrong with that

christians are kings and priests in Christ, it is not the priesthood of the old testament

the writer of the above, that you posted, gave bible verses supporting the points made,
give me your twisted meanings of those bible verses,
and i will show you again where you are wrong

Ubenedictus:



he he he you claimed the new testament doesn't record a priesthood... now you're shifting.

you speak from both sides of your mouth, no wonder you're a Protestant

i haven't shifted at all, but your confusion and lies are habitual

i'm not a protestant, you know nothing and say anything

Ubenedictus:
hahaha.


Jesus said my flesh is real food.

johnw74 says no Jesus flesh isn't real food


what more can we expect from followers of 16th century heretics

i never said that at all, i said Jesus flesh isn't physical food,
you lie and make false claims in most every post:

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Ubenedictus:
as usual. you're been duplicitous, jumping from one topic to another.


and yes every early Christian worship place had images, I don't just believe the apostles would used images... even archeology says same.

uben you call my showing you to be wrong as: " jumping from one topic to another"

yeah ok, showing you to be wrong and showing you to be lying is what i like to do

johnw74:


i never said that at all, i said Jesus flesh isn't physical food,
you lie and make false claims in most every post:

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

hehehe yeah you mean his flesh isn't real food, it is figurative food or better metaphorical food.



you call Jesus a liar simply because of Calvin's 16th century heresy.

johnw74:


uben, i told you: "i have no problem with paul and the other apostles being priests of God"
and you replied: first you say there are no priesthood in the new testament. now I have proven you wrong and you have diverted into another thing.

uben you have proven nothing, except your confusion

then uben, you again falsely accuse: "it must be confusing for you after you attacked the priesthood only to find its in the Bible"

truly there was no attack on anything, just a showing of the truth


that above which you posted uben, i copied and pasted from a christian website, which you know,
you kept accusing of copying and pasting, as if there is something wrong with that

christians are kings and priests in Christ, it is not the priesthood of the old testament

the writer of the above, that you posted, gave bible verses supporting the points made,
give me your twisted meanings of those bible verses,
and i will show you again where you are wrong

your copy and paste claims there is no priesthood, now you remember every Christian is a priest, then you forgot Paul talks of a specific ministerial priesthood

johnw74:


duh, christians read the writings of peter paul and the others
long before the satanic roman catholic church was formed

you refer to rc's as pagan, but anyway they certinally are not christian
and i'm not interisted in searching for you: "when the protestant canonised their own new testament",
do the search yourself, it makes no diffrence at all to what i said except in your own blinded mind:

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

after claiming you guys made your own new testament.... why am I not surprised you can't prove it.

the usual Protestant package... make claims you can't back up.

johnw74:


uben you call my showing you to be wrong as being: " jumping from one topic to another"
but that's what i do, show you wrong in most every post to you, so what else could you a liar say

hehehe....and through out the thread you have been contradicting both Jesus and the historic Christian faith like the young Protestant heretics you are.

johnw74:


i back up all my claims with God's word,
you cannot do that even once

but you uben being who you are, of the devil, cannot tell the truth
and falsely accuse, always:

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

oh I saw you backing your claims with copy and paste and someone called Barnes... lol...then you end up telling us that Jesus flesh is figurative food not the real food he said it is.

Ubenedictus:
as usual. you're been duplicitous, jumping from one topic to another.


and yes every early Christian worship place had images, I don't just believe the apostles would used images... even archeology says same.

uben you call my showing you to be wrong as: " jumping from one topic to another"

yeah ok, showing you to be wrong and showing you to be lying is what i like to do

Ubenedictus:
hehehe yeah you mean his flesh isn't real food, it is figurative food or better metaphorical food.



you call Jesus a liar simply because of Calvin's 16th century heresy.

uben, forever the false accuser

i never said His flesh is not real food, i said it is not physical food
but for you uben, lying is just speaking naturally, following your god:

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

^^^ uben, like you, satan when he speaks a lie, is just speaking naturally

you uben think people eat Jesus physical body and drink His physical blood,
your church could tell you anything and you would believe it, and they do,
and you do believe it, ha ha

Ubenedictus:


your copy and paste claims there is no priesthood, now you remember every Christian is a priest, then you forgot Paul talks of a specific ministerial priesthood

uben, you of course keep repeating your same lies over and over again,
read my post again oh confused one:

johnw74:


uben, i told you: "i have no problem with paul and the other apostles being priests of God"
and you replied: first you say there are no priesthood in the new testament. now I have proven you wrong and you have diverted into another thing.

uben you have proven nothing, except your confusion

then uben, you again falsely accuse: "it must be confusing for you after you attacked the priesthood only to find its in the Bible"

truly there was no attack on anything, just a showing of the truth


that above which you posted uben, i copied and pasted from a christian website, which you know,
you kept accusing of copying and pasting, as if there is something wrong with that

christians are kings and priests in Christ, it is not the priesthood of the old testament

the writer of the above, that you posted, gave bible verses supporting the points made,
give me your twisted meanings of those bible verses,
and i will show you again where you are wrong

Ubenedictus:
after claiming you guys made your own new testament.... why am I not surprised you can't prove it.

the usual Protestant package... make claims you can't back up.

again your usual repeated confusion and lies, to your false accusations already responded to
but then, your god is the father of lies, confusion and false accusations

Ubenedictus:

hehehe....and through out the thread you have been contradicting both Jesus and the historic Christian faith like the young Protestant heretics you are.

uben your lies are never ending
you don't believe God, but use His word where it suits you,
and of course you understand next to nothing,
and how could you know truth, your teacher is satan via the rcc

Ubenedictus:


oh I saw you backing your claims with copy and paste and someone called Barnes... lol...then you end up telling us that Jesus flesh is figurative food not the real food he said it is.

of course satans disciple cannot stop lying,
i clearly never denied Jesus body is real food, but it's not physical food which you claim to eat,
oh deluded one


Joh 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

^^^ Jesus doesn't give physical meat to believers, which goes into the mouth and out the other end,
the meat that Jesus gives us endureth unto everlasting life
the communion wafer of bread that rc's eat doesn't endure forever, but rots away,
however rc's will never let go of their satanic lies, and believe God's truth

Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

and of course i know these verses - God's word, means nothing at all to you uben, you don't believe them,

bad for you:

Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

continued from here: https://www.nairaland.com/4010166/catholicisms-shocking-attitude-toward-bible/14#61865688

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1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


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johnw74:


of course satans disciple cannot stop lying,
i clearly never denied Jesus body is real food, but it's not physical food which you claim to eat,
oh deluded one


Joh 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

^^^ Jesus doesn't give physical meat to believers, which goes into the mouth and out the other end,
the meat that Jesus gives us endureth unto everlasting life
the communion wafer of bread that rc's eat doesn't endure forever, but rots away,
however rc's will never let go of their satanic lies, and believe God's truth

Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

and of course i know these verses - God's word, means nothing at all to you uben, you don't believe them,

bad for you:

Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

lol

let me explain why you are wrong.

when Jesus said my flesh is REAL food, the Greek word used there is ἀληθής it means LITERAL, unconcealed

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 227: ἀληθής
ἀληθής , (ές (alpha privative and λήθω , λαθεῖν
(λανθάνω ), τό λῆθος — cf. ἀμαθής ; literally, not
hidden, unconcealed)

you are contradicting Jesus

johnw74:

uben your lies are never ending you don't believe God, but use His word where it suits you, and of course you understand next to nothing, and how could you know truth, your teacher is satan via the rcc

and your teacher is Satan through copy and paste

Ubenedictus:
hehehe

Ubenedictus:

hehehe....

quote uben= hehehe


i haven't seen anyone else here enjoy laughing at posts backed by God's word as much as you do

you will have your reward:

Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Ubenedictus:
and your teacher is Satan through copy and paste

uben the articles i post are supported by God's word, which is also posted,
you uben say they are from satan:

Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Ubenedictus:



lol

let me explain why you are wrong.

when Jesus said my flesh is REAL food, the Greek word used there is ἀληθής it means LITERAL, unconcealed

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 227: ἀληθής
ἀληθής , (ές (alpha privative and λήθω , λαθεῖν
(λανθάνω ), τό λῆθος — cf. ἀμαθής ; literally, not
hidden, unconcealed)

you are contradicting Jesus

duh false accuser uben, let me explaim why you are wrong although i'm sure you cannoot possibly see it:

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.



yes, the word flesh is literally flesh, Jesus wasn't saying His body is popcorn
and Jesus wasn't saying to eat His physical body and to drink His physical blood, double duh uben

when you eat your communion wafer and later poop it out,
that is not the meat that endures to everlasting life:

Joh 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.



communion is not a person giving other people a dry wafer of bread and saying this is the body of Christ, ha ha

when Jesus said do this in rememberance of me:
communion is doing what Jesus and the apostles did on that night,
it is believers gathering together to dine - eat and drink and share our common faith in Christ



communion
G2842

κοινωνία
koinōnia
koy-nohn-ee'-ah
From G2844; partnership, that is, (literally) participation, or (social) intercourse, or (pecuniary) benefaction: - (to) communicate (-ation), communion, (contri-), distribution, fellowship.
Total KJV occurrences: 20



lol uben, you know next to nothing

believers coming together to dine and fellowship in the faith of Jesus is having communion, is figuratively eating of the body of Christ, and drinking His blood.

already posted:

helen and the sacrament of baptism: https://www.nairaland.com/4010166/catholicisms-shocking-attitude-toward-bible/14#61865688

helen and the sacrament of penance: https://www.nairaland.com/4010166/catholicisms-shocking-attitude-toward-bible/15#61929803

the study of helens life in the rcc continues tomorrow with:
helen and the sacrament of communion

Joh_6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

they that come to Jesus and believe on Him never hunger or thirst,
it's not because they eat and drink His physical body and blood though oh uben