analice107:

May you stand proud on the day of Judgement to defend your pride.

oh I forgot you are God!

analice107:

This is the question i have been asking you Catholics for ever. Long before there was a Catholic Church, there were Churches, how did these Churches able to function without the complied Bible? Oh wait!!!, the books were in parchments.
Case in point, Jesus was in the Synagogue and it was handed to him the book of Isaiah and he read where it was written about him..., Parchments.

The Early Church did well with the parchments, pls give my ears a rest.

Now let me say to you what i said to the other brother. When we meet the Master, he won't require from us our credentials of where we worshipped, we are expected to check if our names are written in the Book of Life, if they are not found therein, the noise here will just be noise.


No man can enter into the Kingdom of God except they be Born Again, FINISH, No long talk.

Long we have told you that even the early church was the Catholic church, and before the Catholic church brought those books together this is what happened.



first there was the old testament ,that was the scripture the church knew and then the apostles taught first with words, when they are about leaving they commit their teaching to some trusted men who were to continue teaching and were ordained presbyter and bishops. sometimes the apostles sent a letter to a church to address certain issues some other church had no letters the presbyter and bishop did much of the preaching themselves.

by the 2nd century each bishop started to gather writing that they considered inline with the teaching they received from the apostles or their predecessors, some were written by apostles like Matthew, some by a disciple like Luke or even Barnabas some by other disciples from apostolic times like Clement, etc. different bishops gathered different books they considered inspired.


all those books are up to 100 parchments, different and by the 4 th century the church decided which among those books are the Bible and aren't. if the church didn't put forth what should be in the Bible, you'll simply have over 100 different parchment some heretical and you would have no idea which is true and which isn't . the early church gathered them all.

analice107:

If the anointing of the Apostle's Successors were and are on the priests of the Catholic Church, the Catholic Church would have been about Jesus, not about Mary and using Jesus as a supplement or an after thought.

Mary is a god in Catholic Church. Funny enough
She was never even mentioned after the death of Christ. She never even demanded any special attention or commendation as a mother of the Master.

Do you remember she served, (took care of feeding and others welfare things) of Christ like the other women did? She was never given a special place amongst the brethren, where did the Catholic Church got the veneration of Mary from? The Apostles never adulated her, if they did and then passed it down, pls show me.

I have noticed that whenever you guys run out of point you jump into attacking mary or something else. if you ever attended a Catholic mass you would have known who Catholics worship, I also know that you have been corrected of such silly accusation severally but you prefer to play dumb. of course Mary served, I also remember Jesus says the greater amongst you shall be others servants. so greatness in the kingdom isn't according to the pastor with private jet, it is according to service and it is a thing of joy that Mary served.

again the Catholic faith proves that truly she is from the apostles even in her understanding of Mary. for we believe that Mary a creature like us became mother of the redeemer and scriptures bear witness to her perpetual honor, when the spirit inspired Luke to record her prophecy "behold from hence forth all age will call me blessed". This perpetual honor we continue to see in every century after among the successors of the apostles.

Do you respect the words of the Clergy outside the Catholic Church Church? Why then do you taunt me with 'What your pastor says', everytime. And it just happens that, every word which proceeds from Oyedepos mouth, has a scripture behind it. The Man is totally about the Scriptures. He is a Walking Talking Bible. I'm a student of the word, and will never be there if the word wasn't there.

oh! I don't respect the words of 20 century church founders who lay churches different from the apostolic ones or abide 15th century heresy unknown in the historic church. I don't respect those who claim to be bishops and can't show which successor of the apostle appointed them to such office or ordained them. I take such people with a grain of salt and analyse their statement separately.

I do respect some non Catholic clergy, mainly eastern Orthodox clergymen, they hold the apostolic faith most times and are truly historic successors of the apostles with certain teaching authority.

Then there are other non Catholic clergy I pity or at times admire, they were tutored in the Protestant Faith and have tried to decipher the truth as best they can through scripture. only circumstances and invincible bias prevent them from the fullness of Truth.

Yeah right, Christ called you into ministry to rely ona General Knowledge rather than the Wisdom of the Holy Spirit which comes solely from the scriptures. I know, it's that general knowledge that has filled the whole place with the pagan traditions of Rome. Yeah i know that.

When it come to spiritual things I am happy to rely on the holy spirit as he guides the church the body of Christ and scripture.


in history general knowledge becomes important so as not to make the silly king Henry remix you earlier made.

Lolzzz, You talk about history but you forget we sef can read this history. Did the Catholic take the Gospel to the world for the sake of saving souls Christ died for, wasn't it to conquer lands in the name of Rome and for Rome?

I already addressed this but I guess you do selective reading, so you can ask what has already been answered.


the Roman Church never raised armies except during the crusades which defended Christians. it sent missionaries who preached Christ.

analice107:

Guy, that claim will never give you salvation. That Catholic Church complied the Bible will never give any Catholic Salvation.

When you die, Jesus won't ask you if you belonged to a church which complied the Bible, What will be required of you will be the New Nature in Christ. Do you have it?

Are you Saved, Transformed, Sanctified, and Renewed? Is your name written in the Book of Life? If you meet Jesus today, will He say to you, 'Come my faithful servant and enter into my rest?', if not, sorry. All these noise here is a waste of time.

you guys opened a thread about Catholic church and the Bible and after refuting it this is what you are talking about?

did a Catholic open this thread? or rather you prefer Catholics keep quite while you guys accuse us of heaven and earth.


Lastly the claim is important because it reminds us who the scripture was bequeathed to, who is the early church, and who has the spirit of God as promised by Christ for all generation as she shows when she decided the canon.

DoctorAlien:
The Catholic Church did not write any part of the Bible. Moreover, even before the council you guys like to claim decided the Canon of the Bible sat, the Canon of the Bible had pretty much been set by concensus of use. How can you claim that the Catholic Church "gave the Bible to the world" with quotes like this? "Socialism, Communism, clandestine societies, Bible societies... pests of this sort must be destroyed by all means." The encyclical Quanta Cura Issued by Pope Pius IX, December 6, 1866



Again, I say that it would be credulous of anyone to believe that Paul never thought that his letters would be used as guidance by the churches, or that the apostles would write books which the churches would find useful. Don'the make it look like the Catholic Church prescribed to us the books in the Bible now. These books were in use before Constantine founded the Catholic Church.

please can you name the Christians before Constantine who used your exact current bible and weren't Catholics.

analice107:

Lolzzz, Listen, the Apostasy house will survive till Christ Comes. Do you think it's a coincidence? She is the LovePeddler, Babylon the Great, the Great LovePeddler who will gather the whole earth and galvanize them under one world church to worship the Beast.

It's beginning to happen, follow up the antecedents of your Popes especially Francis. The guy just declared the One World Government, Urging America to flag it up. The platform upon which the Antichrist shall stand to rule the entire earth in due time .

The office of the Pope shall be the Office of the False Prophet to the Antichrist. He will converge the world leaders to embrace the Beast.

Check out what the Pope is up to now. We are watching you guys.

what is the pope up to... reminds me of the term accuser of the brethren.

The Portuguese who came to take slaves in Africa, did they present the gospel of salvation to us? No.

The Spanish who destroyed the Incas, Mayans, and Aztec Kingdoms and established the Latin America, was it for the souls of men or for land?

Do you know that the first missionaries in Nigeria were not Catholics but Baptists?

The Anglican Church is more or less Catholic, we have nothing in common with them. We look into the scripture depending on the Holy Spirit for revelations and guidance, not on traditions of men. That's why i don't need Bishop Oyedepo for much. He trains us as pastors to stand everywhere and take charge.

quote author=Ubenedictus post=60896091]
certainly these simply shows your lack of historical knowledge similar to what obtains among pastors,the HOLY spirit didn't teach you these history remix. That is all you and your pastors.
When you say History, i know you are talking about what the Catholic Church has concocted for you. lolzzzzz. I read unbiased history, written by Historians not people who have an agenda to promote.

Encyclopedias are there, i started reading this things as a little Catholic girl, i don't why the fascination with this matters, but I was reading.

Brother, if you really read the Bible and not the history written by men to control men, you'd leave the Catholic Church.

Listen, no single person preached me out of the Catholic Church, you couldn't. My passion drives me.

I want to know Jesus, and how to do that, i read the Bible by myself with inner hunger, and the Bible began to speak back to me. I began getting inside to the words which to others are just words.

You can't really read the Bible and not be a Christian.

Pls, go easy with your pastors this, your pastors that,

I know Jesus for myself.

corrections the first missionaries in Nigeria were the Catholics who came with Portuguese traders of pepper not slave trade, they established mission in Benin were cut short after the traders ended there Nigerian voyage.


the Portuguese slavers and the Spanish conquerors were different from the missionaries. The Portuguese government did slave trade and the Spanish conquered so did the Protestant England and Germany, while the church sent missionaries. it is again silly to confuse the missionaries with the conquerors.

even your encyclopedia will confirm that your history is a remix.

blackbriar:


You are very funny
you made a harsh claim against dem Catholics and they refuted it....you hurriedly jumped to another claim and they also refuted it with facts.
Now you are saying stop making claims and seek salvation.
Please what is the the topic of this discussion int he first place?

haha ask him. some people hate been straightforward.

analice107:

Guy, bottom line is, even if you complied the Bible, if you don't do what's contained in it, you are damned. The Catholics make a whole lot of irrelevant mondaine claims, they don't matter bro.

if they don't matter why did you guys open a thread about it.

of course when you are refuted then you start shouting how the truth doesn't matter.

johnw74:


i'm certinally not new to your continued lies baba, they seem to be all you know, post after post
as for your daesh nonsense, it's just more lies and off topic accusations from you, taking after your god:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.



baba, point out the insults and hatred for truth in my posts:

let the name calling start rolling in.

analice107:

May you stand proud on the day of Judgement to defend your pride.

I won't need to defend the church established by Christ as his body and Bride for all times, she will shine brightly on that day. I only pray you are among those who shine in her.

Ubenedictus:



corrections the first missionaries in Nigeria were the Catholics who came with Portuguese traders of pepper not slave trade, they established mission in Benin were cut short after the traders ended there Nigerian voyage.


the Portuguese slavers and the Spanish conquerors were different from the missionaries. The Portuguese government did slave trade and the Spanish conquered so did the Protestant England and Germany, while the church sent missionaries. it is again silly to confuse the missionaries with the conquerors.

even your encyclopedia will confirm that your history is a remix.

i saw that but didn't want to answer her.

The catholics were the first to bring christianity to Benin, Nigeria. They didn't succeed to establish it here. That was about 500years ago. The methodists, not baptists like she claimed, came in later, and their attempt was successful. So technically, the methodists were the first missionaries to establish a successful christian church.

It is so unfortunate how people can go to great miles to hate and refuse to learn. Like the catholics took their wives from them.

They can't take it that the catholic church gave them the bible they so think that the church is disobeying; i wonder how they would take it if i begin to show it to them that alot of what their churches teach today are the same things so called Occultic societies like the freemasons and the rosicrucians have been teaching long long ago.

@analice since you claimed the catholic church is about mary, mary, mary, why don't you check unbenedictus's profile and see where he said his god sets him on fire. If they were about mary mary mary, why then didn't he mention mary?

Una go just dey dey form lies anyhow just so that it becomes possible to find a virtual fault so that your condemination of them will be justified.

Ubenedictus:
please can you name the Christians before Constantine who used your exact current bible and weren't Catholics.

Roman Catholicism did not exist before Constantine:

The Roman Catholic Church contends that its origin is the death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ in approximately AD 30. The Catholic Church proclaims itself to be the church that Jesus Christ died for, the church that was established and built by the apostles. Is that the true origin of the Catholic Church? On the contrary. Even a cursory reading of the New Testament will reveal that the Catholic Church does not have its origin in the teachings of Jesus or His apostles. In the New Testament, there is no mention of the papacy, worship/adoration of Mary (or the immaculate conception of Mary, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix), petitioning saints in heaven for their prayers, apostolic succession, the ordinances of the church functioning as sacraments, infant baptism, confession of sin to a priest, purgatory, indulgences, or the equal authority of church tradition and Scripture. So, if the origin of the Catholic Church is not in the teachings of Jesus and His apostles, as recorded in the New Testament, what is the true origin of the Catholic Church?

For the first 280 years of Christian history, Christianity was banned by the Roman Empire, and Christians were terribly persecuted. This changed after the “conversion” of the Roman Emperor Constantine. Constantine provided religious toleration with the Edict of Milan in AD 313, effectively lifting the ban on Christianity. Later, in AD 325, Constantine called the Council of Nicea in an attempt to unify Christianity. Constantine envisioned Christianity as a religion that could unite the Roman Empire, which at that time was beginning to fragment and divide. While this may have seemed to be a positive development for the Christian church, the results were anything but positive. Just as Constantine refused to fully embrace the Christian faith, but continued many of his pagan beliefs and practices, so the Christian church that Constantine promoted was a mixture of true Christianity and Roman paganism.

Constantine found that, with the Roman Empire being so vast, expansive, and diverse, not everyone would agree to forsake his or her religious beliefs to embrace Christianity. So, Constantine allowed, and even promoted, the “Christianization” of pagan beliefs. Completely pagan and utterly unbiblical beliefs were given new “Christian” identities. Some clear examples of this are as follows:

(1) The Cult of Isis, an Egyptian mother-goddess religion, was absorbed into Christianity by replacing Isis with Mary. Many of the titles that were used for Isis, such as “Queen of Heaven,” “Mother of God,” and theotokos (“God-bearer”) were attached to Mary. Mary was given an exalted role in the Christian faith, far beyond what the Bible ascribes to her, in order to attract Isis worshippers to a faith they would not otherwise embrace. Many temples to Isis were, in fact, converted into temples dedicated to Mary. The first clear hints of Catholic Mariology occur in the writings of Origen, who lived in Alexandria, Egypt, which happened to be the focal point of Isis worship.

(2) Mithraism was a religion in the Roman Empire in the 1st through 5th centuries AD. It was very popular among the Romans, especially among Roman soldiers, and was possibly the religion of several Roman emperors. While Mithraism was never given “official” status in the Roman Empire, it was the de facto official religion until Constantine and succeeding Roman emperors replaced Mithraism with Christianity. One of the key features of Mithraism was a sacrificial meal, which involved eating the flesh and drinking the blood of a bull. Mithras, the god of Mithraism, was “present” in the flesh and blood of the bull, and when consumed, granted salvation to those who partook of the sacrificial meal (this is known as theophagy, the eating of one’s god). Mithraism also had seven “sacraments,” making the similarities between Mithraism and Roman Catholicism too many to ignore. Church leaders after Constantine found an easy substitute for the sacrificial meal of Mithraism in the concept of the Lord’s Supper/Christian communion. Even before Constantine, some early Christians had begun to attach mysticism to the Lord’s Supper, rejecting the biblical concept of a simple and worshipful remembrance of Christ’s death and shed blood. The Romanization of the Lord’s Supper made the transition to a sacrificial consumption of Jesus Christ, now known as the Catholic Mass/Eucharist, complete.

(3) Most Roman emperors (and citizens) were henotheists. A henotheist is one who believes in the existence of many gods, but focuses primarily on one particular god or considers one particular god supreme over the other gods. For example, the Roman god Jupiter was supreme over the Roman pantheon of gods. Roman sailors were often worshippers of Neptune, the god of the oceans. When the Catholic Church absorbed Roman paganism, it simply replaced the pantheon of gods with the saints. Just as the Roman pantheon of gods had a god of love, a god of peace, a god of war, a god of strength, a god of wisdom, etc., so the Catholic Church has a saint who is “in charge” over each of these, and many other categories. Just as many Roman cities had a god specific to the city, so the Catholic Church provided “patron saints” for the cities.

(4) The supremacy of the Roman bishop (the papacy) was created with the support of the Roman emperors. With the city of Rome being the center of government for the Roman Empire, and with the Roman emperors living in Rome, the city of Rome rose to prominence in all facets of life. Constantine (AD 272–337) and his successors gave their support to the bishop of Rome as the supreme ruler of the church. Of course, it is best for the unity of the Roman Empire that the government and state religion be centralized. While most other bishops (and Christians) resisted the idea of the Roman bishop being supreme, the Roman bishop eventually rose to supremacy, due to the power and influence of the Roman emperors. When the Western half of the Roman Empire collapsed in 476, the popes took on the title that had previously belonged to the Roman emperors—Pontifex Maximus. Pope Gregory I, ruling from 590–604, is usually considered the first bishop to truly wield papal authority.

Many more examples could be given. These four should suffice in demonstrating the origin of the Catholic Church. Of course, the Roman Catholic Church denies the pagan origin of its beliefs and practices. The Catholic Church disguises its pagan beliefs under layers of complicated theology and “church tradition.” Recognizing that many of its beliefs and practices are utterly foreign to Scripture, the Catholic Church is forced to deny the authority and sufficiency of Scripture.

The origin of the Catholic Church is the tragic compromise of Christianity with the pagan religions that surrounded it. Instead of proclaiming the gospel and converting the pagans, the Catholic Church “Christianized” the pagan religions, and “paganized” Christianity. By blurring the differences and erasing the distinctions, yes, the Catholic Church made itself attractive to the people of the Roman Empire. One result was the Catholic Church becoming the supreme religion in the Roman world for centuries. However, another result was the most dominant form of Christianity apostatizing from the true gospel of Jesus Christ and the true proclamation of God’s Word.

Second Timothy 4:3–4 declares, “For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.”

Source: https://www.gotquestions.org/origin-Catholic-church.html

https://www.nairaland.com/3881704/history-bible-canon-discussion-scholar

hello doctoralien. Above is a link to a thread where the op was asking the likes of you a philosophical question.

Since after the first century, apostate christianity followed, why then do you take the bible which is also their arrangement?

There are a lot of things in your post i would like to counter, but i will just leave it there.

MiddleDimension:
https://www.nairaland.com/3881704/history-bible-canon-discussion-scholar

hello doctoralien. Above is a link to a thread where the op was asking the likes of you a philosophical question.

Since after the first century, apostate christianity followed, why then do you take the bible which is also their arrangement?

There are a lot of things in your post i would like to counter, but i will just leave it there.

The Bible is whose arrangement?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvYeXh3JHco

i do not believe in miracles anyway, but here is one of you guys, Benny Hinn, agreeing with the catholics that what they call Eucharist is the true body and blood of Jesus like Jesus said in the bible. He claimed that there are 'healings' because of that in those churches too.

Ubenedictus:
let the name calling start rolling in.

hey false accuser uben, point out the name calling

Ubenedictus:

Long we have told you that even the early church was the Catholic church,

The early church is not the roman catholic church which you belong to
the early church never taught to have statues, the early church never prayed to them
the early church never followed mary but only Jesus

however you uben lie in most posts showing who is the god of your church that you follow

Ubenedictus:
I have noticed that whenever you guys run out of point you jump into attacking mary

pointing out that mary is not to be given any special place in faith is not attacking her
but lie away uben

Ubenedictus:
I won't need to defend the church established by Christ as his body and Bride for all times, she will shine brightly on that day. I only pray you are among those who shine in her.

your church that is filled with pedophiles and child abuse is truly not the church established by Christ
you are deceived by satan the god of the rcc

From an article here: http://www.atruechurch.info/catholicism.html
which is in line with the opening post "Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible!"



Roman Catholicism Leads To Hell

See also our report on the Douay-Rheims Bible.

Its total membership in the early 1990s was about 958.4 million (about 17 percent of the world population). The church has its greatest numerical strength in Europe and Latin America but also has a large membership in other parts of the world. ("Roman Catholic Church," Microsoft® Encarta® Encyclopedia 2000.)

As the above quote depicts, masses of people are in the grip of the Roman Catholic Church. This is a death grip. If it is not broken by coming "to the knowledge of the truth" (1 Timothy 2:4), it will lead them to unending torture in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone where unbelieving idolaters go (Revelation 21:8]. On the inside dust jacket of Pope John Paul's book, Crossing The Threshold Of Hope (copyright 1994, Alfred A. Knopf, Inc., New York), the Pope's message is, "Be not afraid!" Catholics have much to fear (Luke 12:4-5; Mark 9:42-48].

Whether or not a Catholic is familiar with Catholicism's destructive heresies, the Catholic is nonetheless following a "stranger" (i.e. Catholicism) and not Christ (John 10:5). Roman Catholicism is a false religion with deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons (1 Timothy 4:1-3), a false gospel, a false Jesus, idolatry, and damning lies.

I. Deceiving Spirits and Doctrines of Demons

Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. (1 Timothy 4:1-3)

In this text that describes those who have departed from the faith and given heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, there are only two teachings given ("forbidding to marry" and "to abstain from foods"] by which to identify the ones to whom this text applies. The Roman Catholic Church practices both identifying marks.

A. Forbidding To Marry

In the official Catechism of the Catholic Church (Libreria Editrice Vaticana, copyright 1994, Ignatius Press, San Francisco, CA) on page 395 under #1580, speaking in the context of "priests" it states:

In the East as in the West a man who has already received the sacrament of Holy Orders can no longer marry.

It is well known that both priests and nuns are forbidden to marry. Yet, Scripture condemns such a practice in 1 Timothy 4 and identifies those who practice this as ungodly wicked people (1 Timothy 4:1-3). Despite this clear declaration of the Word of God, Catholic Answers (a Catholic apologetic ministry, P. O. Box 199000, San Diego, CA 92159; 619-387-7200; www.catholic.com) has produced a tract entitled "Celibacy and the Priesthood" in which they attempt to justify the unholy ways of the Catholic Church. In this tract, they write, ". . . the Catholic Church does not forbid anyone to marry." But then, "speaking lies in hypocrisy" (1 Timothy 4:2) in the next paragraph they state,

It is true that Catholic priests in the West may not be married, but no one is obliged to become a priest.

Marriage is not forbidden to them as human beings, but as priests.

It is still forbidden! 1 Timothy 4:3 simply says, "forbidding to marry", not "forbidding to marry as human beings." Earlier (in the first paragraph of the tract) they admit (speaking in the context of the "Eastern Rites"],

Once ordained, though, an unmarried priest may not marry, and a married priest, if widowed, may not remarry.

B. To Abstain From Foods

Jovian P. Lang, OFM, in his book entitled Dictionary of the Liturgy (copyright 1989, Catholic book publishing Co. N.Y.) on page 11 writes under "Abstinence,"

Refraining from eating meat or food prepared with meat on certain days as commanded by the church, to remind us of Jesus' redeeming Death (on a Friday), to prepare for the celebration of certain feasts, to win heavenly graces, and to practice the virtue of penance (to atone for sin and for help in the firm purpose of amendment). "Days of abstinence" in the United States include Ash Wednesday, Good Friday and Fridays of Lent." On other Fridays of the year, all are exhorted to perform acts of devotion, self-denial, and charity in the spirit of piety and penance, and particularly for peace; abstinence from meat is especially recommended but under no obligation by law. Canon Law for the world prescribes abstinence on all Fridays (Canon 1251).

Mr. Lang acknowledges here that the Catholic Church does command to "abstain from foods" (1 Timothy 4:3). Catholic "Canon Law" (the official law of the Catholic Church) makes such a prohibition.

Canon 1251 - Abstinence from eating meat or another food according to the prescriptions of the conference of bishops is to be observed on Fridays throughout the year unless they are solemnities; abstinence and fast are to be observed on Ash Wednesday and on the Friday of the Passion and Death of Our Lord Jesus Christ. (The Code Of Canon Law: A Text And Commentary, p. 854, copyright 1985 by the Canon Law Society of America, published by Paulist Press, Mahwah, N. J.)

Catholics are "bound" by this law of abstinence.

Canon 1252 - All persons who have completed their fourteenth year are bound by the law of abstinence; (ibid., p. 855).

In other words, they are commanded to not eat meat ("or another food"] on certain days. Worldwide, these days include Ash Wednesday, Fridays of Lent, Good Friday, and every other Friday of the year. For those in the United States, every Friday of the year is no longer obligatory.

The National Conference of Catholic Bishops in their pastoral statement of November 18, 1966 determined the following:

Catholics in the United States are obliged to abstain from the eating of meat on Ash Wednesday and on all Fridays during the season of Lent. They are also obliged to fast on Ash Wednesday and on Good Friday. Self-imposed observance of fasting on all weekdays of Lent is strongly recommended. Abstinence from flesh meat on all Fridays of the year is especially recommended to individuals and to the Catholic community as a whole. (ibid., p. 855)

More from an article here: http://www.atruechurch.info/catholicism.html
which is in line with the opening post "Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible!"


II. A False Gospel

Besides rejecting the gospel of God (Romans 9:6-22) in regards to predestination ("God predestines no one to hell;" CCC, p. 270, #1037), the Catholic Church has created their own gospel of "sacraments." In this also they speak lies in hypocrisy (1 Timothy 4:2). They deem Muslims as having salvation (see below), but Muslims do not practice these sacraments. In the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) on page 292 under #1129 the following is written:

The Church affirms that for all believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation. (italics in original)

What are these "sacraments" that are necessary for salvation?

There are seven sacraments in the Church: Baptism, Confirmation or Chrismation, Eucharist, Penance, Anointing of the Sick, Holy Orders, and Matrimony. (CCC, p. 289, #1113; see also p. 311, #1210)

This is the tradition of men (Matthew 15: 8-9; Colossians 2:8-10), not the doctrine of Christ (2 John 9). Scripture nowhere teaches any such sacraments necessary for salvation. What is necessary for salvation is faith in the Lord Jesus Christ (the Word, John 1:1; Revelation 19:13). As John 3:36 says,

He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him. (John 3:36)

In the case of baptism, indeed Biblical "baptism now saves us" (1 Peter 3:21), but it is "not the removal of filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God" (1 Peter 3:21). Catholic baptism profits no one (1 Timothy 4:1-3).

III. A False Christ

One of the above "sacraments" "necessary for salvation" is the Eucharist, a false Jesus.

In the most blessed sacrament of the Eucharist "the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity, of our Lord Jesus Christ and, therefore, the whole Christ is truly, really, and substantially contained." (italics in original, CCC, p. 346, #1374)

In other words, the bread literally becomes Jesus' body and the wine literally becomes his blood.

It is by the conversion of the bread and wine into Christ's body and blood that Christ becomes present in this sacrament. (CCC, p. 346, #1375)

At the heart of the Eucharist celebration are the bread and wine that, by the words of Christ and the invocation of the Holy Spirit, become Christ's Body and Blood. (CCC, p. 336, #1333)

The signs of bread and wine become, in a way surpassing understanding, the Body and Blood of Christ; (CCC, p. 336, #1333)

Only validly ordained priests can preside at the Eucharist and consecrate the bread and the wine so that they become the Body and Blood of the Lord. (CCC, p. 355, #1411)

The Catholics call this "transubstantiation" (CCC, p. 347, #1376), and claim it is the "true Body" and "true Blood" of Christ.

"That in this sacrament are the true Body of Christ and his true Blood is something that 'cannot be apprehended by the senses,' says St. Thomas, 'but only by faith, . . . (CCC, p. 348, #1381)

What is meant by the "true Body" and "true Blood" of Christ? The same literal body and blood that was hung on the cross some 2000 years ago!

In the Eucharist Christ gives us the very body which he gave up for us on the cross, the very blood which he "poured out for man for the forgiveness of sins." (CCC, p. 344, #1365)

The Eucharist is most important in the life of the Church because it is Jesus Christ. It is the incarnation continued in space and time. (Question and Answer Catholic Catechism, question 1212, p. 244, by John A. Hardon, copyright 1981)

Catholic Answers goes so far as to say,

After the consecration of the bread and wine, no bread or wine remains on the altar. Only Jesus himself, under the appearance of bread and wine, remains. (Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth, p. 17)

As should be seen from the above, the wafer and the wine is the Catholic Jesus. And this Catholic Jesus (a piece of bread and some wine) is worshipped. This is idolatry. God is not a piece of bread (Isaiah 46:5). Bread should not be worshipped (Deuteronomy 5:7). Catholics believe otherwise.

Is Jesus Christ present in the Eucharist as long as the species remain? Yes, Jesus Christ is present in the Eucharist as long as the species remain. Therefore, we worship the Blessed Sacrament as we would worship the person of Jesus Himself. (Question and Answer Catholic Catechism, question 1227, p. 246-247, John A. Hardon)

Worship of the Eucharist. In the liturgy of the Mass we express our faith in the real presence of Christ under the species of bread and wine by, among other ways, genuflecting or bowing deeply as a sign of adoration of the Lord. (CCC, p. 347, #1378)

The Church and the world have a great need for Eucharistic worship. Jesus awaits us in this sacrament of love. Let us not refuse the time to go to meet him in adoration, . . . (CCC, p. 348, #1380)

This false god and false Christ is the result of some serious twisting (2 Peter 3:16) and adding (Proverbs 30:5-6) to the words of Christ. In 1 Corinthians 11:23-26 Paul wrote,

For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, "Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me." In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me." For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death till He comes.

This bread and "drink" is for "remembrance", not "substantial presence" as the CCC (Catechism of the Catholic Church) proclaims.

. . . it is a substantial presence by which Christ, God and man, makes himself wholly and entirely present. (CCC, p. 346, #1374)

Scripture nowhere says what the Catholics teach. Nowhere does the Word of God say anything about the bread (or wine) becoming anything. In fact, in John 6:53 where Jesus said, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you," even here, Jesus lets us know He is not speaking of His literal body and blood.

It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. (John 6:63; see also Matthew 4:4)

Nonetheless, this Eucharistic worship (worship of a piece of bread) is the centerpiece of the Catholic way.

The Eucharist is the heart and summit of the Church's life, . . . (CCC, p. 355, #1407)

In brief, the Eucharist is the sum and summary of our faith: "Our way of thinking is attuned to the Eucharist, and the Eucharist in turn confirms our way of thinking." (CCC, p. 334, #1327)

Furthermore, in the celebration of this Eucharist (the Mass), the Catholic false Christ is continually offered up as a sacrifice.

The Eucharist is thus a sacrifice because it re-presents (makes present) the sacrifice of the cross, . . . (CCC, p. 344, #1366)

The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice: "The victim is one and the same: the same now offers through the ministry of priests, who then offered himself on the cross; only the manner of offering is different." "In this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the alter of the cross is contained and is offered in an unbloody manner." (CCC, p. 344, #1367)

This is completely contrary to Hebrews 7:26-27; 9:25-28; and 10:11-14.

Moreover, according to Catholics, forgiveness of sins (for both the living and the dead) comes through this false Christ (the Eucharist) and this false sacrifice (the Mass).

Holy Communion separates us from sin. The body of Christ we receive in Holy Communion is "given up for us," and the blood we drink "shed for the many for the forgiveness of sins." For this reason the Eucharist cannot unite us to Christ without at the same time cleansing us from past sins and preserving us from future sins: (CCC, p. 351, #1393)

The Eucharist sacrifice is also offered for the faithful departed who "have died in Christ but are not yet wholly purified," (CCC, p. 345, #1371)

This is in opposition to Romans 8:1, "There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus," Hebrews 9:12, ". . . with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption", and Hebrews 10:14, "For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified."

More from above article which is in line with the opening post "Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible!"


IV. Idolatry

Besides the idolatry of a false god/Christ (the Catholic god being reduced to a piece of bread), Catholicism is further entrenched in idolatry in the veneration of the saints. Their idolatry is found both in giving homage to images (idols), and praying to angels or "saints" (many of whom are Catholic people who have died in their sins, thus they are praying to dead people who are presently burning in hell, e.g. Luke 16:19-31).

A. Prayer To Saints

Prayer is a form of worship. Biblically, it is either wrongfully used in the worship of false gods (idols, e.g. Isaiah 44:17; 45:20) or the worship of the one true God (directly to Him, e.g. Psalm 17). Therefore, despite the Catholic denial that they are worshipping those they are praying to (angels and saints), they are nonetheless worshipping them.

In the Catechism of the Catholic Church, speaking in the context of the saints it says,

"We can and should ask them to intercede for us and for the whole world." (p. 645, #2683).

Catholic Answers writes,

Our prayer to the saints in heaven, asking for their prayers for us, and their intercession with the Father do not undermine Christ's role as sole Mediator (1 Timothy 2:5). (Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth, p. 21)

Here again, they speak lies in hypocrisy (1 Timothy 4:2). Yes it does "undermine Christ's role as sole Mediator." It completely denies that "there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus" (1 Timothy 2:5). Prayers to the saints to make "intercession" creates many mediators (intercessors) in the heavens between God and men, which the Bible nowhere teaches. In truth, for those who follow the true Christ, we have the Son of God Himself. We need (nor want) no other (Ephesians 1:3; Colossians 2:8-10; 2 Peter 1:3).

Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. (Hebrews 7:25; Romans 8:34)

rcc say:
Our prayer to the saints in heaven, asking for their prayers for us, and their intercession with the Father do not undermine Christ's role as sole Mediator (1 Timothy 2:5). (Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth, p. 21)

reply:
Here again, they speak lies in hypocrisy (1 Timothy 4:2). Yes it does "undermine Christ's role as sole Mediator." It completely denies that "there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus" (1 Timothy 2:5). Prayers to the saints to make "intercession" creates many mediators (intercessors) in the heavens between God and men, which the Bible nowhere teaches. In truth, for those who follow the true Christ, we have the Son of God Himself. We need (nor want) no other (Ephesians 1:3; Colossians 2:8-10; 2 Peter 1:3).

More from above article which is in line with the opening post "Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible!"


C. Mary Worship

"The Churches devotion to the Blessed Virgin is intrinsic to Christian worship." (CCC, p. 253, #971)

Although Catholics may deny they worship Mary, they nonetheless do worship her (1 Timothy 4:2). And, being that she is not God, this is therefore idolatry (worship of someone or something other than God, Deuteronomy 5:7; Psalm 96:5) and demonic (Leviticus 17:7; Deuteronomy 32:17; 2 Chronicles 11:15; Psalm 106:37; 1 Corinthians 10:20-21; Revelation 9:20). Pope John Paul II epitomized this Mary worship. In the book, Crossing The Threshold Of Hope, by "His Holiness John Paul II," the chapter entitled, "The Mother of God" begins and ends with these two paragraphs.

The renewal of Marian Theology and devotion - in continuity with Catholic tradition - is another distinctive characteristic of the teaching and pastoral activity of John Paul II. Totus Tuus ("I am completely yours, O Mary"] is the motto you chose for your papacy. (p. 212)

I think what I have said sufficiently explains the Marian devotion of the present Pope and, above all, his attitude of total abandonment to Mary - his Totus Tuus. (p. 215)

Mary is given the title of "Advocate" (CCC, p. 252, #969), a title only Christ is given in Scripture (1 John 2:1), and she is stated to be one who not only intercedes, but also brings "gifts of eternal salvation" (ibid.). Acts 4:12 says,

Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.

What is this name? It is Jesus Christ of Nazareth (Acts 4:10; Philippians 2:9-11), not Mary (Mark 3:31-35; Luke 11:27-28).

rc's say when they pray to the saints, they are not undermining Christ's role as sole mediator

1Ti 2:5  For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

^^^ as you can see rc's are blinded and don't believe God's word:
2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.




rc's pray the rosary, they pray the hail mary 50 times in one go
and they say that's not praying repetitively

Mat 6:7  But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

^^^ as you can see when rc's lie they are just speaking naturally:
Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

dumb people believe anything their fake churches tells them: rc's, jw's, etc.

More on: "Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible!"


V. More Damning Lies

In addition to the damning lies already spelled out, other heresies (Galatians 5:20) can be found throughout Catholic doctrine on a variety of subjects. A few examples are given below.

A. "Father"

Jesus said,

Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. (Matthew 23:9)

The Catholic Church completely refuses to obey Christ's command. Besides calling the Pope "the Holy Father" (e.g. Crossing The Threshold Of Hope, p. v), it is well known among Catholics and non-Catholics that Catholic priests are called by the name of "Father." Instead of promoting the fear of God (Isaiah 66:2), this blatant disregard for the words of Christ leads the masses to repudiate His Words. If they disregard the Word of God, they cannot be saved (James 1:21).

B. Homosexuals

Catholics graphically turn the grace of God into lewdness (Jude 4) in their teaching on homosexuality.

The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. They do not choose their homosexual condition; for most of them it is a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition. (CCC, p. 566, #2358)

There is no such thing as a Christian homosexual ("if they are Christians"]. 1 Corinthians 6:11 says, "and such were some of you", not "such are some of you." (see 1 Corinthians 6:9-11)

C. Infant Baptism

The Catholic Church teaches that infants become children of God once they are baptized. This is a hellish and damning lie. This encourages a trust in a ritual rather than a trust (an on going faith, 1 Corinthians 15:2; Hebrews 3:14) in the living Savior for re-birth (Romans 3:21-22; 1 Peter 1:3-5; 3:21).

The Church and the parents would deny a child the priceless grace of becoming a child of God were they not to confer Baptism shortly after birth. (CCC, p. 319, #1250)

Infant baptismal regeneration (the above quote) is nowhere taught in the Word of God. Becoming a child of God takes an act of God (John 1:12-13; 3:3). As the Jews of old, Catholics teach "as doctrines the commandments of men" (Matthew 15:9).

D. Muslims

The Churches relationship with Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day." (CCC, p. 223, #841)

Muslims are in a false religion (Islam) that believes Jesus was created from dust (see the Quran, Surah 3:59; see also John 1:3; Colossians 1:16; Genesis 1:1) and rejects the concept that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who died for all mankind (Surah 4:157, 171; 5:17; 9:30; John 3:16; 1 Timothy 2:6). I John 2:23 says,

Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

The Catholic church attributes salvation to the Muslims. This denies the words of Christ (John 14:6), and makes the Catholic way very broad (Matthew 7:13-14; Luke 13:24). They accept (as saved) even those who reject the Son of God (1 John 5:10).

E. Purgatory

Contrary to Luke 16:19-31; Colossians 2:13-14; and 1 John 1:7 & 9, the Catholic Church teaches that there is a temporary place of suffering (due to a lack of a complete cleansing of sin) for those who die "in Christ."

All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven. (CCC, p. 268, #1030)

The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. (CCC, p. 268, #1031)

Purgatory is a state or condition on which the souls of the just, who die with the stains of sins, are cleansed before they are admitted to heaven. (Question and Answer Catholic Catechism, p. 82, Question 316)

Stains of sin means the temporal punishment still due to venial or forgiven mortal sins. If the punishment has not been satisfied before death, a person must suffer in purgatory to pay this debt which is owed to the divine Majesty. (ibid., Question 317)

The sufferings of purgatory are more intense than any suffering on earth. (ibid., Question 320)

Catholics attempt to justify this teaching, which is nowhere taught in the Word of God, with 1 Corinthians 3:15. But, here one's "work" is being burned, not the person. Plus, sin is not in view, but rather attempts in building the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 3:12-17).


The Catholic's fable of purgatory rejects true faith (and trust) in God's forgiveness (Psalm 103:11-18). Hebrews 4:11 says, "Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest." Catholics do not enter His rest (Hebrews 4:9-10; 1 Peter 1:13), because they render not the blood of Christ sufficient to completely cleanse them from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9). A supposed purgatory awaits them for a final cleansing. For those whose faith is in the finished work of Christ (John 19:30), the Lord Jesus "has perfected forever those who are being sanctified." (Hebrews 10:14)

F. Suicide

Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.

We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives. (CCC, p. 550, #2282 & 2283)

This goes directly against Matthew 24:13; John 15:1-6; Romans 11:22; 1 Corinthians 15:2; Colossians 1:23; Hebrews 3:6, 14; 12:25; and 1 John 5:4. Committing suicide is not enduring to the end (Matthew 24:13). It is not abiding in Christ (John 15:1-6). It is not continuing in His goodness (Romans 11:22). It is not holding fast the word (1 Corinthians 15:2). It is definitely being moved away from the hope of the gospel (Colossians 1:23). It is not holding fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end (Hebrews 3:6). It is not holding the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end (Hebrews 3:14). It is refusing and turning away from Him who speaks from heaven (Hebrews 12:25). And, it is not overcoming the world (1 John 5:4), but rather being overcome by the world and the devil (1 Peter 5:8; 1 John 5:18).

Besides being a comforting lie for those still living, this Catholic teaching on suicide opens wide the door of death and Hades (Luke 16:19-31; Revelation 20:11-15) to those in despair. This is certainly a damning lie.

VI. Ignorance

Many Catholics claim ignorance (and are often ignorant) of what their Catholic Church teaches. This is not to their advantage as they may think. Ignorance is not an asset, but a deficit, as Ephesians 4:17-18 illustrates.

This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind, having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart.

What alienates the ungodly Gentiles from the life of God? It is "the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart." Catholics are blind. Some to their own religion, and all to the light of the glory of the gospel of Christ (2 Corinthians 4:4). Their only hope is to repent from not loving the truth, and to turn to the Truth, Christ, the Word of God, i.e. the Scripture (Hebrews 4:12-13).

http://www.atruechurch.info/catholicism.html

DoctorAlien:


Roman Catholicism did not exist before Constantine:

The Roman Catholic Church contends that its origin is the death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ in approximately AD 30. The Catholic Church proclaims itself to be the church that Jesus Christ died for, the church that was established and built by the apostles. Is that the true origin of the Catholic Church? On the contrary. Even a cursory reading of the New Testament will reveal that the Catholic Church does not have its origin in the teachings of Jesus or His apostles. In the New Testament, there is no mention of the papacy, worship/adoration of Mary (or the immaculate conception of Mary, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix), petitioning saints in heaven for their prayers, apostolic succession, the ordinances of the church functioning as sacraments, infant baptism, confession of sin to a priest, purgatory, indulgences, or the equal authority of church tradition and Scripture. So, if the origin of the Catholic Church is not in the teachings of Jesus and His apostles, as recorded in the New Testament, what is the true origin of the Catholic Church?

For the first 280 years of Christian history, Christianity was banned by the Roman Empire, and Christians were terribly persecuted. This changed after the “conversion” of the Roman Emperor Constantine. Constantine provided religious toleration with the Edict of Milan in AD 313, effectively lifting the ban on Christianity. Later, in AD 325, Constantine called the Council of Nicea in an attempt to unify Christianity. Constantine envisioned Christianity as a religion that could unite the Roman Empire, which at that time was beginning to fragment and divide. While this may have seemed to be a positive development for the Christian church, the results were anything but positive. Just as Constantine refused to fully embrace the Christian faith, but continued many of his pagan beliefs and practices, so the Christian church that Constantine promoted was a mixture of true Christianity and Roman paganism.

Constantine found that, with the Roman Empire being so vast, expansive, and diverse, not everyone would agree to forsake his or her religious beliefs to embrace Christianity. So, Constantine allowed, and even promoted, the “Christianization” of pagan beliefs. Completely pagan and utterly unbiblical beliefs were given new “Christian” identities. Some clear examples of this are as follows:

(1) The Cult of Isis, an Egyptian mother-goddess religion, was absorbed into Christianity by replacing Isis with Mary. Many of the titles that were used for Isis, such as “Queen of Heaven,” “Mother of God,” and theotokos (“God-bearer”) were attached to Mary. Mary was given an exalted role in the Christian faith, far beyond what the Bible ascribes to her, in order to attract Isis worshippers to a faith they would not otherwise embrace. Many temples to Isis were, in fact, converted into temples dedicated to Mary. The first clear hints of Catholic Mariology occur in the writings of Origen, who lived in Alexandria, Egypt, which happened to be the focal point of Isis worship.

(2) Mithraism was a religion in the Roman Empire in the 1st through 5th centuries AD. It was very popular among the Romans, especially among Roman soldiers, and was possibly the religion of several Roman emperors. While Mithraism was never given “official” status in the Roman Empire, it was the de facto official religion until Constantine and succeeding Roman emperors replaced Mithraism with Christianity. One of the key features of Mithraism was a sacrificial meal, which involved eating the flesh and drinking the blood of a bull. Mithras, the god of Mithraism, was “present” in the flesh and blood of the bull, and when consumed, granted salvation to those who partook of the sacrificial meal (this is known as theophagy, the eating of one’s god). Mithraism also had seven “sacraments,” making the similarities between Mithraism and Roman Catholicism too many to ignore. Church leaders after Constantine found an easy substitute for the sacrificial meal of Mithraism in the concept of the Lord’s Supper/Christian communion. Even before Constantine, some early Christians had begun to attach mysticism to the Lord’s Supper, rejecting the biblical concept of a simple and worshipful remembrance of Christ’s death and shed blood. The Romanization of the Lord’s Supper made the transition to a sacrificial consumption of Jesus Christ, now known as the Catholic Mass/Eucharist, complete.

(3) Most Roman emperors (and citizens) were henotheists. A henotheist is one who believes in the existence of many gods, but focuses primarily on one particular god or considers one particular god supreme over the other gods. For example, the Roman god Jupiter was supreme over the Roman pantheon of gods. Roman sailors were often worshippers of Neptune, the god of the oceans. When the Catholic Church absorbed Roman paganism, it simply replaced the pantheon of gods with the saints. Just as the Roman pantheon of gods had a god of love, a god of peace, a god of war, a god of strength, a god of wisdom, etc., so the Catholic Church has a saint who is “in charge” over each of these, and many other categories. Just as many Roman cities had a god specific to the city, so the Catholic Church provided “patron saints” for the cities.

(4) The supremacy of the Roman bishop (the papacy) was created with the support of the Roman emperors. With the city of Rome being the center of government for the Roman Empire, and with the Roman emperors living in Rome, the city of Rome rose to prominence in all facets of life. Constantine (AD 272–337) and his successors gave their support to the bishop of Rome as the supreme ruler of the church. Of course, it is best for the unity of the Roman Empire that the government and state religion be centralized. While most other bishops (and Christians) resisted the idea of the Roman bishop being supreme, the Roman bishop eventually rose to supremacy, due to the power and influence of the Roman emperors. When the Western half of the Roman Empire collapsed in 476, the popes took on the title that had previously belonged to the Roman emperors—Pontifex Maximus. Pope Gregory I, ruling from 590–604, is usually considered the first bishop to truly wield papal authority.

Many more examples could be given. These four should suffice in demonstrating the origin of the Catholic Church. Of course, the Roman Catholic Church denies the pagan origin of its beliefs and practices. The Catholic Church disguises its pagan beliefs under layers of complicated theology and “church tradition.” Recognizing that many of its beliefs and practices are utterly foreign to Scripture, the Catholic Church is forced to deny the authority and sufficiency of Scripture.

The origin of the Catholic Church is the tragic compromise of Christianity with the pagan religions that surrounded it. Instead of proclaiming the gospel and converting the pagans, the Catholic Church “Christianized” the pagan religions, and “paganized” Christianity. By blurring the differences and erasing the distinctions, yes, the Catholic Church made itself attractive to the people of the Roman Empire. One result was the Catholic Church becoming the supreme religion in the Roman world for centuries. However, another result was the most dominant form of Christianity apostatizing from the true gospel of Jesus Christ and the true proclamation of God’s Word.

Second Timothy 4:3–4 declares, “For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.”

Source: https://www.gotquestions.org/origin-Catholic-church.html

please can you name the Christians before
Constantine who used your exact current bible
and weren't Catholics.


learn to answer the question you were asked... Read and answer .

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The early church is not the roman catholic church which you belong to
the early church never taught to have statues, the early church never prayed to them
the early church never followed mary but only Jesus

however you uben lie in most posts showing who is the god of your church that you follow[\quote]

since you jumped into the discussion.


please give us the list of the early Christians from the 1st to the 4th century who preserved and used your exact same Bible and prove they aren't Catholic.

pointing out that mary is not to be given any special place in faith is not attacking her
but lie away uben

then why is it that every Christian from the early Church who wrote about the topic disagree with you. could it be because the Protestants have departed from historic and apostolic Christianity and follow 15th century heresy?

your church that is filled with pedophiles and child abuse is truly not the church established by Christ
you are deceived by satan the god of the rcc

my church does have humans who make mistakes, but it also has saints, great men and women and the manifestation of God's presence.


If among the apostles personally handpicked by Jesus there is Judas, then I am not surprised that there exist imperfect people in the church he established. Are all in your church formed by 21st century men perfect?

johnw74:

hey[b] false accuser [/b]uben, point out the name calling

are you so blind that you can't see it?

johnw74:



The early church is not the roman catholic church which you belong to
the early church never taught to have statues, the early church never prayed to them
the early church never followed mary but only Jesus

however you uben lie in most posts showing who is the god of your church that you follow

since you jumped into the discussion.


please give us the list of the early Christians from the 1st to the 4th century who preserved and used your exact same Bible and prove they aren't Catholic.

pointing out that mary is not to be given any special place in faith is not attacking her
but lie away uben

then why is it that every Christian from the early Church who wrote about the topic disagree with you. could it be because the Protestants have departed from historic and apostolic Christianity and follow 15th century heresy?

your church that is filled with pedophiles and child abuse is truly not the church established by Christ
you are deceived by satan the god of the rcc

my church does have humans who make mistakes, but it also has saints, great men and women and the manifestation of God's presence.


If among the apostles personally handpicked by Jesus there is Judas, then I am not surprised that there exist imperfect people in the church he established. Are all in your church formed by 21st century men perfect?

DoctorAlien:

The Bible is whose arrangement?

the Catholic Church... who else?

Ubenedictus:

please can you name the Christians before
Constantine who used your exact current bible
and weren't Catholics.


learn to answer the question you were asked... Read and answer .

and I am telling you that Roman Catholics did not exist before Constantine. How hard is it to understand?