shaybebaby:
AgentofAllah, sorry to butt in but I am officially declaring myself a groupie.

As you were...

Hi five groupie!

AgentOfAllah:


Hi five groupie!

I do not wish to derail but in time, I hope to rummage through your mind. It is brilliant.

vaxx:
so why is fact been denied in the first first place?

Have you ever denied fact? If so, why?

I called it a mere observation because. you must always have proof beyond what your eyes can't deliver that, since your eyes can't do that alone without some degree of error.

at least you agree with me on the fact I noted. it is accurate indeed.

I am not onderstandin.

yes , that is why I put it forward that human by nature do not have a system that can neutralize or terminate evil. so the punishment of human is very limited since it can not equate its real cause.

So do we both agree that punishment is pointless then?

human law has tried enough to bring fairness and orderliness to the society. prisons were built , rehabilitation home were built. despite all this progress. evil and wickedness act still persist .

Yes, maybe the problem is that we have historically focused too much on punishment than correction. Given the limitations of our current system, maybe a change of approach isn't such a bad thing.

with the revenge. I counter argue that it does not serve its cause even for some one who mete it out. it is anger and pain that birth revenge and the true fact is Anger and pain block out empathy

Your argument isn't clear. Is empathy the cause/course/goal of revenge?

so trying to understand why the person did what they did might be bias in opinion because of empathy. if empathy is lost in the transaction, anger presents itself. and When anger happens human degradation occurs. When human degradation occurs with anger all sort of fuckery happens. It is the loss of emotional stability that comes with the pain. If someone knew how to not get hurt emotionally, then they would not lose empathy, human degradation, revenge, anger would not occur because it would not seem productive or logical to solve the problem on why the person attempted to hurt someone in the first place, because they were hurt and needed help with their emotional. what should be done here is to offer counselling and not revenge.

I don't understand what you've written, but it seems you believe I am advocating revenge. I am not! I am simply acknowledging that it is a strong motivator for the psychologically traumatised, and thus a deterrent for those who wish to avoid being on its receiving end.

And finally for the world to see fairness and justice. Divine law is very important. and the wrath of God must be emphasized to deter human from their evil act.

As I previously demonstrated, this wrath of god is anything but just and fair. I also believe this so-called wrath of god has been thoroughly emphasized over several millennia, yet we're still where we are. It seem to me god's wrath is an ineffectual means by which to bring about justice and fairness.

AgentOfAllah:
Have you ever denied fact? If so, why?

I am not onderstandin.

So do we both agree that punishment is pointless then?

Yes, maybe the problem is that we have historically focused too much on punishment than correction. Given the limitations of our current system, maybe a change of approach isn't such a bad thing.

Your argument isn't clear. Is empathy the cause/course/goal of revenge?

I don't understand what you've written, but it seems you believe I am advocating revenge. I am not! I am simply acknowledging that it is a strong motivator for the psychologically traumatised, and thus a deterrent for those who wish to avoid being on its receiving end.

As I previously demonstrated, this wrath of god is anything but just and fair. I also believe this so-called wrath of god has been thoroughly emphasized over several millennia, yet we're still where we are. It seem to me god's wrath is an ineffectual means by which to bring about justice and fairness.

It is absurd to deny fact. because fact is is an established phenomenon. it is the real truth even if it violate the scientific evidence or human logic.

what I mean by that is you can't make an hypothesis base on what your eyes can see only, because our eyes are subjected to some degree of error. in other word not every victim of attack return revenge and those who even meted it out are not satisfy.

yes human punishment is pointless, to err is human . until man begin to feels for others and nurse the fear of God in them . evil will never vanished.

empathy is the ability to understand how someone feels. and trying to understand how people feels can limit the cause of evil . that is why I say pain and anger block out empathy. every wrong act as a purpose that can be justify by common sense. the ability to feels for other is what is missing.

revenge I say is baseless even to the person who meted it out. an eyes for an eyes make everyone go blind. as the saying goes.


the only solution to the problem facing humanity is to abide by divine law and not human law. even from the time memorial when religion was at is very pick .people still failed to follow this laws.

vaxx:


It is absurd to deny fact. because fact is is an established phenomenon. it is the real truth even if it violate the scientific evidence or human logic.

what I mean by that is you can't make an hypothesis base on what your eyes can see only, because our eyes are subjected to some degree of error. in other word not every victim of attack return revenge and those who even meted it out are not satisfy.

yes human punishment is pointless, to err is human . until man begin to feels for others and nurse the fear of God in them . evil will never vanished.

empathy is the ability to understand how someone feels. and trying to understand how people feels can limit the cause of evil . that is why I say pain and anger block out empathy. every wrong act as a purpose that can be justify by common sense. the ability to feels for other is what is missing.

revenge I say is baseless even to the person who meted it out. an eyes for an eyes make everyone go blind. as the saying goes.


the only solution to the problem facing humanity is to abide by divine law and not human law. even from the time memorial when religion was at is very pick .people still failed to follow this laws.

If divine law is what it takes to make you a good person, then good for you! That's a positive thing! However, don't try to foist your divine law on people who are already good without it!

AgentOfAllah:

If divine law is what it takes to make you a good person, then good for you! That's a positive thing! However, don't try to foist your divine law on people who are already good without it!

what is good for the goose is good for the gander

vaxx:


what is good for the goose is good for the gander

Good thing then, we're not a community of geese and ganders!

AgentOfAllah:


Good thing then, we're not a community of geese and ganders!

if it can be applicable in geese and gander community. what is stopping it here in our community.