meforyou1:
u are as much a foreigner to Lagos as my humble self. Igbos do not have issues with lagos indigenes. Read the interview very well, did u see Chief Layi mention any igbo name? He only mentioned saboteurs like Wole Soyinka and Bola tinubu, who he said he doesn't even know the village in osun where that one came from.
So, boy, when matters come to a head, you will require visa to visit lagos, while I will not, because we built it.

Don't worry your head, ibos are nothing but strangers in every part of yorubaland including lagos that you want to die for
It shows igboland is the most useless piece of land on earth that no one want to associate with.
Keep salivating over lagos..an 100% yorubaland
Look at just the map and cure all your doubt. Ogun state completely circled lagos that should tell you a lot

FisifunKododada:


Why are you telling him the truth - please me I like seeing Ipob pigs wallow in their delusion. It gives me so much pleasure.

scared afonjas

FisifunKododada:


What is this Igbo domination you people talk about? You claim to be superior to Yorubas and Hausa/Fulanis YET you are unable to measure up politically. You claim that your potorpotor land is superior to every other region YET your people are running away from the SE to seek survival especially among Yoruba people. Humble yourselves and join hands to make Nigeria a better place.

ladies and gents i give u unity begging

laudate:


Oba of Benin's silence is not an indication of tacit support. It is an indication that he does not wish to drawn into meaningless issues, or get involved in any petty, needless controversy. He did not send Ajayi-Bembe on any errand. The man is on his own.

Let the Oba of Lagos Rilwan Babatunde Osuolale Aremu Akiolu rebuff all claims to his territory, by setting the records straight. After all, Ajayi-Bembe is his subject, living within his domain on Lagos island, not so?

Then you are not giving the Oba good advice. If someone goes to the market and uses your name to buy credit without your permission. Then your silence is seen as accepting the debt.

FisifunKododada:


Fayose sent maybe 20 Ekitians to learn trade. Meanwhile, every year hundreds of thousands of Igbo youths enter Yoruba land so that they won't die of poverty in ala-potorpotor. So you see we are the ones helping you not the other way around.

Thats different
Lagos is our state

Blackfyre:



You are dodging my question.

There was no royalty before King Ado, not even a palace. The birth of the royalty of Lagos Island was from King Ado and since he conquered the place and name it Eko, makes all who succeed him his descendants. I also know that deceased Lagos Kings were sent to Benin to be buried and paid royalty to Benin but that stopped after sometime.

Now since its the royal families that owns the land and are the authority over the land, doesn't that mean Benin are by the conquest and Ado, owners of Lagos?

You seem knowledgeable, however are you aware that oyo empire controlled badagry? The oyo mesi administered that area. Also, the British took lagos and I do not remember the Benin monarch fighting back, it was Yorubas who resisted the British in the battle for lagos. What about the awori? They migrated from ife bro. Also oyo controlled badagry, what do you say to that?

ProWalker:


The same ore is the graveyard of thousand of your fathers.
You will not learn and it will be repeated

Naaaa, those stones are your fathers we only retreated after we killed so many of your people which was against our initial objective to liberate yorubaland. I have never seen where slaves fought so viciously to remain slaves. House niggers you lots are.

FisifunKododada:
Then you are not giving the Oba good advice. If someone goes to the market and uses your name to buy credit without your permission. Then your silence is seen as accepting the debt.

Where did he use the Oba of Benin's name to buy stuff on credit? When did the Omo n'Oba send Ajayi-Bembe to buy anything without making payment? And who even offered to accept the debt? You have used a wrong analogy, sir. Oga, the person who should be responding to Ajayi-Bembe's claims is Akiolu. It is his territory that is in contention. Period.

Yoruba people day " oja ore ........". Am sure you can completeit

LaExpert:


Yoruba's honour Oduduwa because he was their first king and he came at a time their Oracles told them someone powerful is coming to their territory to rule them...they rightly identified Oduduwa when he came and made him king.

Before him, the Yoruba's just had mainly Baales and Baloguns.
They had other smaller kings too in other sub territories (like the Ugbo in Ondo state) but they had limited powers. Oduduwa was the first general king.


As for the bold, kindly provide a reference to what you claim the Ooni has clarified.


As it stands, the throne of the Ooni is superior to and older than that of the Oba of Bini, the Oba of Bini is a descendant of the Ooni.

However, the throne of the Ooni was from the Ogiso of Bini (the rulers in Binis first dynasty) which is no longer in existence... the banishment of Oduduwa caused the shift in power. Now, Bini has Oba, not Ogiso.

who told you oduduwa is from Benin? if you don't know history stop distorting existing one! I hate the fact you keep alluding to the Benin baseless izoduwa claim which is the work of revisionist! Benin have been trying to claim every part Of southern Nigeria with unfound rhetoric.

With much due respect sir, The Eleko, I believed the feud with the late Ooni Sijuwade contributed to this various perversion of history.

The Ajayi Benbe family that disowned Musliu Obanikoro when he needed them most to become the governor of Lagos now has their chief talking ignorantly publicly.
Chief said Idu Iganran is a Bini name.

Is Eyo masquerade also from Bini?
I know Igunnoko popularly called Igunnu is from Tapa (Oshodi Tapa at Epetedo).
The affinity & relationship of Tapa through their ancestral linkage with Yoruba (Oyo) made it easy for them to settle with the Yoruba.

giftq:

Thats different
Lagos is our state

If wishes were horses beggars would ride - keep fooling yourselves

This ajayi bembe just worsened the whole matter by publicly displaying his ignorance. Publicly he said Idu Iganran (location of Oba of Lagos palace) is not a Yoruba name. Well, except Ijebu Remo is not in Yoruba land. That place was pepper farm & settlement for Ijebu remo pepper sellers & farmers. Iganran is an Ijebu remo name of a type of pepper . Idu is a farm or settlement. Idu Iganran is a pepper farm or settlement. This is an ancient Ijebu Remo name. This can be found in some libraries in Lagos where old books of history on Lagos is kept. Time would not permit me to explain Idumota & Idumagbo.

The EYO masquerade was brought to Lagos from Ijebu Remo. Despite the fact that the Remo town has forgotten about the masquerade, this is what is being celebrated in Lagos Island. Is Eyo masquerade from Bini or Iperu?

On the issue of Awori, Pa Okunnu & Jayi Benbe would have told us more stories about Isheri Olofin, Iddo and about Olu Iwa (Oluwa) the owner of Apapa to Ojo land. How did the name Awori came to being?
I was aware of non recognition of the Oba of Lagos by the late Ooni of Ife (Ooni Sijuwade) as a first class Yoruba oba. Ooni Sijuwade was right. A first class Oba must have his Crown link to Ife. This created problem for the Oba of Lagos who found his root back to Benin. The Oba of Lagos (Eleko) historically was only for part of Lagos Island. This is now history. Ajah & Ibeju Lekki have their rulers despite Olumegbon harassments in Ajah.

The Yorubas have been in Laos before the Binis were invited by the Lagos Island ruler 'Eleko' .Eko is is an area after the present Carter bridge at Otto covering the island, this excludes 'IRU' the present VI. The story of Lagos independent of West came after colonization.

Blackfyre:


Oh okay... Guess that's what laudate was referring to.

So that would mean the current dynasty ancestry are originally Ijesha...

Yes by lineage but Ologun kutere's claim to the throne was through his mother's lineage, since she was the daughter of Ado and Akinsemoyin's children were young.

This applies to all the "royal families", because as you know in Yorubaland(yes isale-eko is yoruba not bini land) obaship is not owned by one single family unlike in Bini
If Isale eko is Bini they would be practicing bini tradition not Yoruba.

Moorish:


You seem knowledgeable, however are you aware that oyo empire controlled badagry? The oyo mesi administered that area. Also, the British took lagos and I do not remember the Benin monarch fighting back, it was Yorubas who resisted the British in the battle for lagos. What about the awori? They migrated from ife bro. Also oyo controlled badagry, what do you say to that?

I wasn't arguing about the control or extent of Yoruba influence. I wanted to hinge my argument on the fact that royal families are the authority and in most places owners of the land in their domain. Using the fact that the ancestry of the royal family will then bring to light who the real owners of Lagos are.

But someone corrected me and informed me better on this thread that it is the Idejo families that owns land in and around the Island, not the Oba or the families. As a matter of fact, I read the only land the Oba has is the palace- Iga Iduganran. Apparently, the Idejo families are Aworis...

Someone also told me the dynasty of King Ado had ended and the current dynasty is that of Ologun Kutere an Ijesha man...

Btw, which family owns the land towards Ojo Alaba and environs? Anybody knows?

Urchman27:


http://punchng.com/bini-not-yoruba-are-original-owners-of-lagos-ajayi-bembe/

No wonder they say some people are old without wisdom. Wat a shame. We have Yoruba speaking people in most places. The mere fact that you are Nigerian and a Yoruba speaking state ,so you are a Yoruba. If you like go jump enter lagoon. The majority carry the vote. The same way the Igbo speaking communities in delta are igbos

laudate:

Where did he use the Oba of Benin's name to buy credit? Did the Omo n'Oba send Ajayi-Bembe to buy anything without making payment? And who offered to accept the debt? Oga, the person who should be responding to Ajayi-Bembe's claims is Akiolu. It is his territory that is in contention. Period.

If the Oba did not send them the Oba should say so. If a thief is caught and he claims to be from your household - would you not disown the thief if you you believe he is not from your household? The Oba silence is tacit support and until he steps up and do the needful he will continue to gba bode as far as I am concerned!

Leez:

ladies and gents i give u unity begging

Yes. Ladies and gentlement - I am the one that wants Nigerians to coexist peacefully among themselves. Our friend here wants war and death. Ladies and gentlemen

FisifunKododada:

If the Oba did not send them the Oba should say so. If a thief is caught and he claims to be from your household - would you not disown the thief if you you believe he is not from your household? The Oba silence is tacit support and until he steps up and do the needful he will continue to gba bode as far as I am concerned!

Did Ajayi-Bembe ever say that the Omo n'Oba sent him to make any claims on his behalf? Oga, you can preach this sermon till tomorrow, but the Oba of Benin will not respond. Like I said before, the person who should be responding to Ajayi-Bembe's claims is Akiolu. It is his territory that is in contention.

TimeMod1:
Are you referring to the late Achebe who poisoned their souls with heresy against Pa Awo in his book " there was a country". Achebe was much of a bigot as any of his kindred

achebe said it "if u don't like a book, write your own"

Leez:

scared afonjas

Is that all?

macof:


Yes by lineage but Ologun kutere's claim to the throne was through his mother's lineage, since she was the daughter of Ado and Akinsemoyin's children were young.

This applies to all the "royal families", because as you know in Yorubaland(yes isale-eko is yoruba not bini land) obaship is not owned by one single family unlike in Bini
If Isale eko is Bini they would be practicing bini tradition not Yoruba.

But looking at it from now backward, all royal families or at least most come from one source. It only branches into more families when after the first his sons decide to establish each family for themselves.

The only difference with Benin is that, the first son becomes king irrespective of either brothers or uncles.

By and large, especially for the Idejo family bit I have come to read, Lagos is owned by Yoruba. Like someone said on here, they are the real power broker of Lagos...

Interesting piece of history. I didn't know that Lagos belongs to the Bini and not Yoruba. The Bini need to be more assertive in reclaiming what is there own.

Oloripelebe:


And try to relax ur brain by taking a rest

So you’re not only looking for your lost identity but also looking to have the last say?

Your life must be one really dark tunnel you need a torch light to take the next step.

Nairaland must be the escapism where you hide and pretend all is well.

What a miserable sod.

Malawian:

Naaaa, those stones are your fathers we only retreated after we killed so many of your people which was against our initial objective to liberate yorubaland. I have never seen where slaves fought so viciously to remain slaves. House niggers you lots are.

Like the lies your fathers told you to cover their loses.
You were beaten blue and black and that encounter marked the beginning of the end of your Biafra dream.
Read up on the history and not the lies handed down to you by your losers.
Your fathers lost everything and the looks on their faces after the war was that of total despair and a desire to end their lives but for Yorubas that welcomed them and allowed them to start afresh with the £20 doled out to them by awolowo to start life again
Generations of losers, that is what you are

SmartchoiceNGR:
Mr Ajayi you and Bini kingdom are subservient to the crown at Ile-Ife

You lie!! The great Bini kingdom can never be subservient to a fake crown and culture where a yahoo boy was planted as king (puppet, stooge) and controlled by a common politician. Your low life king fell in love, married and was disgraced by a mere prostitute, your ooni and his fellow chiefs and body guards got drunk and and his phones stolen, we can keep going on and on because they are just too numerous to mention. It shows everything about Yoruba is nothing but a big joke.

poseidon12:
Interesting piece of history. I didn't know that Lagos belongs to the Bini and not Yoruba. The Bini need to be more assertive in reclaiming what is there own.

It is just a matter of time before we send these lazy land grabbing afonjas out of West africa.

FisifunKododada:


Yes. Ladies and gentlement - I am the one that wants Nigerians to coexist peacefully among themselves. Our friend here wants war and death. Ladies and gentlemen

awo's free education is quite amazing
ur fellow afonja matched d bomb u just dropped on d gej thread
afonja eeeeh

laudate:

Oga, you can preach this sermon till tomorrow, but the Oba of Benin will not respond. Like I said before, the person who should be responding to Ajayi-Bembe's claims is Akiolu. It is his territory that is in contention.

Who is preaching? I am stating my position very clearly. If the Oba likes let him not respond. As long as he is okay with the consequence of his silence. Which is he will continue to gba bode from now till he stands up and act like a man. As for the head chief of Idumota - he is limited ONLY to Idumota and he knows it.

WrathOfHadez:
So you’re not only looking for your lost identity but also looking to have the last say?

Your life must be one really dark tunnel you need a torch light to take the next step.

Nairaland must be the escapism where you hide and pretend all is well.

What a miserable sod.

E pain am.. ..nairaland suppose get medical unit

ProWalker:


Like the lies your fathers told you to cover their loses.
You were beaten blue and black and that encounter marked the beginning of your Biafra dream.
Read up on the history and not the lies handed down to you by your losers.
Your fathers lost everything and the looks on their faces after the war was that of total despair and a desire to end their lives but for Yorubas that welcomed them and allowed them to start afresh with the £20 doled out to them by awolowo to start life again
Generations of losers, that is what you are

yet lagos is d latest igbo state

laudate:

Did Ajayi-Bembe ever say that the Omo n'Oba sent him to make any claims on his behalf? Oga, you can preach this sermon till tomorrow, but the Oba of Benin will not respond. Like I said before, the person who should be responding to Ajayi-Bembe's claims is Akiolu. It is his territory that is in contention.

Akiolu has said it in the past that Lagos is Bini. No questions asked.