Goshen360:


Please kindly name one blessing tithers receive that non tithers like me don't receive?

Btw, I'm a christian and a believer in giving. So let's get that straight

bizme:


I notice this pastor is already sweating profusely laboring to defend the indefensible. So I am not going to add so much to his sorrow.
It is however a shame that Nigerian churches get to be pastored by individuals who obviously do not even understand the Bible in the first place.
I do not have much time, else I would have refuted each of the ridiculous points this so-called pastor dredged up to support tithing. We all know that tithing isn't really what of you are trying to support, what you are really supporting and preserving is the source of your livelihood.

That said. Circumcision was as old as tithing...It too predated the law by about 500 years and yet "it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to the Apostles" not to heap the burden of circumcision on the gentile (non-Jewish) Christians. Circumcision was done away with, settled once and for in the new testament. Why should tithing, that came through the same man (Abraham) before the Law should survive the redemptive work of Christ? I know why, it's because it enriches our salesmen M.O.G.s.
Abraham paid a tenth from another person's properties (spoil of war) and not from his own possession. He paid it once and it was never again reported that he paid it again. Neither did he pass it along to his children... Now you have so mischievously labelled it a revelation and kingdom principle. Could it possible that Abraham who had received this so-called revelation did not even notice it was a revelation? So, if I do something randomly tomorrow, like sharing my bread in two and giving it to someone I meet on the road; are you saying hundreds of years from now my descendants get to consider that simple act of courtesy a revelation and a kingdom principle?

Tithe is dead. The death of Christ killed it. The more you seek to be justified by the Law (including tithing) the more you fall from grace.

streamsofjoy:


The simple blessing u lack that other tithers have is knowledge and revelation as well as fear of God. When we say blessing, it doesn't have to be in material things. And lack of this knowledge will eventually cost u ur salvation. So u see?

onuhabel1:
Last night, God's servant, Dr Paul Enenche of Dunamis exposed the truth of tithing pointing out how Jesus endorsed in
Matt 23:23 says

New Living Translation
"What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law--justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.

King James Bible
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

The passage shows that Jesus endorsed tithing but rebuked tithing in iniquity, so we should tithe!
*You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.* (NLT)
Excerpts from the teaching:

WHAT IS THE TITHE ABOUT?
1. The Tithe is one-tenth of a person’s income
2. The Tithe existed before the law of Moses (Gen. 14:18-20; 2Cor. 9:6-7)
The Tithe did not come with the law of Moses so it cannot go with the law Moses. It existed far before the law and will continue to exist far after the law.
3. The Tithe did not begin as a commandment, it began as a Kingdom principle delivered by revelation (Gen. 14:18-20)
Nobody told Abraham to tithe, it was revealed to him by God
4. Kingdom principles and revelations are universal in application (Mark 13:37)
Time does not change Divine principles and revelations (Gen. 17:1; Matt. 5:48; 2Cor. 13:11)
6. Tithing was confirmed and commended by the Master in the New Testament (Matt. 23:23; Luke 11:42; Lev. 27:30)
7. The Tithe was validated by Paul the Apostle in the New Testament [Heb. 7:1-8]


Do not be pastored by Social media!

Edesinpayan:


It is rather universal principle because it works for all

plainbibletruth:

No wonder!

First, Jesus was the one speaking here.
How does it suddenly translate to what God said to Abraham?
Shouldn't it be what he is saying in this passage that the words apply to?

MrBottle:
Why won't he be rich, when he put his money right back to his pocket all in the name of tithing.

MrBottle:
Who is the said father cos God ain't got no account number!
I think I will start doing what he is doing ..---paying tithe to my account.

Pinkygillian:
Pls ask for the spirit of rhema

kiddapunk:
except you just want to argue its obvious enough, after everything he(christ?) has told them,they should understand it is open to all

Rhectz:


Note that Abraham, as the father of Israel (true believers and Christians) was given as a sample for all Christians.

Isaiah 51:2 KJV
Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him.

onuhabel1:
maybe the reason why you are not yet more than how you are now, is because you don't tithe
y not try it (The bible said, Prove me if I will not open the Windows of heaven....) and see the difference

Mujtahida:

There is nothing like 'open heavens' as a blessing for people who pay tithe. You have not even a scintilla of an idea what Jesus Christ means. You need to be taught Christ. I don't blame you. It's so clear contemporary Christianity is so far divorced from Christ and that is why you are here preaching tithe instead of preaching Christ.

As a Christian God has made Christ to be everything for you: there are no blessings per se in Christianity, no healing, no righteousness, no holiness, no wisdom, no prosperity, no truth, no life, no open heavens but all are in Christ as Christ himself. Christ himself is the blessing and the blessings, he's the healing and your health, your prosperity, your miracle, your righteousness, your wisdom, your open heavens. Since the day Jesus died and the veil of the temple (the earthly symbol of heaven) was rent into two, the heavens have been open and will always remain open for all who are in Christ. Prosperity for Christians is in Christ not tithe!!!.

'Before Abraham was I am' said Jesus in John 8:58. Christ is before all things even your most cherished so called 'Kingdom principles' (Colossians 15-17) . That was why Paul who knew that Christ was supreme above all things was able to rule out circumcision which was a COVENANT symbol(can you imagine the boldness of Paul) between God and Abraham and say it(that covenant symbol oo) doesn't matter when a man is IN CHRIST

The moment you set up any Kingdom principle whether tithe, whether healing, whether faith, whether revelation, whether the scriptures themselves as a thing in itself divorced from Christ you have set up an idol, a dead thing over which the Spirit of God has no rule because the Holy Spirit rests not even on the things of Christ per se but on Christ himself. Go and read Watchman Nee's book titled 'Christ the sum of all spiritual matters and things'

You are trying to elevate tithe above Christ. No way!

Hebrews 9:11 But when CHRIST came as high priest of the good things that are now already here...

Ephesians 1:1 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ who has BLESSED US with every spiritual blessings in the heavenly realms IN CHRIST JESUS

For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell within Him. Colossians 1:17

ALL THINGS ARE YOURS FOR YOU ARE OF CHRIST and CHRIST IS OF GOD. 1Corinthians 3:22

Not tithe but Christ- Christ, Christ, Christ. In heaven God does everything by his son, on earth he wants Christian do everything by his Son-not tithe.

Go and ask Enenche when was the last time he preached Christ?

Contemporary Christianity is a sleek, sleazy fraud.

plainbibletruth:


How's your Love, and Lust topic doing?

Goshen360:


The place Jesus said you should tithe, I guess you referring to popular Matthew 23v23. Okay, let's do this, put your name or your pastor name or Christians who Christ died for in that verse context and see how it read. Lemme help you,

New International Version
"Woe to you, [s]teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites![/s] PAUL ENENCHI, ONUHABEL1, CHRISTIANS You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

FACT and TRUTH CHECK this verse:

a. Christ would hv declared Woe on you, your pastor and Christians he died for which he had not even died for at this time

b. You, your pastor and Christians would have been TEACHERS, OF THE LAW AND HYPOCRITES.

c. It would have still being tenth of your SPICES which still agricultural products under the law

d. You, your pastor and Christians would have NEGLECTED THE MORE IMPORTANT MATTERS OF THE LAW and btw, what does God required? I guess the same way you tithers will see someone dying in the hospital and still close your eyes but rather take a tenth to religious gathering. The same way, you hypocrites see someone who hasn't paid school fees and pass by, the same way y'all see someone hungry and naked and pass by thinking you've done God great service once your tenth is paid.

2. Where in Hebrews did he say we should tithe?

plainbibletruth:


Kindly explain the "kingdom principles and revelations" in that Mark 13:37 passage.

Dagaya:

I think this explains everything.
God bless you.
A lot of us are being misled and its all down to the way our pastors talk about tithes like its the most important part of the scripture if u want to be successful.
Charity they say begins at home...y not help that poor fellow on ur way to church, instead of heavily enriching the purses of our flamboyant pastors..we should do more for those around us who really need it.
God bless you once again.

Goshen360:


Please kindly name one blessing tithers receive that non tithers like me don't receive?

Btw, I'm a christian and a believer in giving. So let's get that straight

onuhabel1:
that's right!
Anyone that struggles with the payment of tithes either does not know God or has not surrendered themselves totally to God

onuhabel1:
that's right!
Anyone that struggles with the payment of tithes either does not know God or has not surrendered themselves totally to God

MrBottle:
Who is the said father cos God ain't got no account number!
I think I will start doing what he is doing ..---paying tithe to my account.

Ezebohirepurcha:
[/quote][quote author=Pinkygillian post=62737210] oga go read ur Bible.... it obvious u are not saved.... y not give your life to Christ!... a new dawn is gonna take place in ur life.... come for Shiloh 2017....ur ignorance will not let u see the wonders God has done for people... thru him, well as the saying goes... when giving don't let your right hand to know.... cos that's hypocrite!!! ignorance is a sin next to witchcraft!!! Be Save, Jesus loves you

ehissi:


With all due respect, Sharaaaaap! That is an insult to a highly revered elder of God.

If a child wakes up today and says he wants to go to grow up and be an oil worker or petro-chemocal engineer, you see a financially rewarding future.

When your child wakes up and tells you he wants to be a painter or a vulcaniser or a scavengers thats picks scrap metal from waste bins you see something wrong his brain.

That was what Pastoring was, Pastors were not known to be wealthy then when they started so I dont understand why people suspect them of such
Pecuniary ambitions.

For your info, Oyedepo dey tithe to Adeboye so park well......