OkaiCorne:


ISN'T IT FUNNY HOW CHRISTIANS CLAIM JESUS HAS FULFILLED THE LAW...EXCEPT FOR THE ONE THAT HAS TO DO WITH TITHING BECAUSE MONEY IS INVOLVED

Mammon must be dethroned so that Christ can take His rightful place in the Hearts of all believers

petra1:


Now you can commit murder? Do you give offerings? Do you do alms to the poor? Is that not contradictory ?
Without the knowledge of the law there will be lawlessness



But those who have problem with giving that need to hear that not the givers

plainbibletruth:

Kindly CLEARLY show us from the Bible where "Tithes" are said to apply to the dispensation of the church.

Now you are doing what you'll quickly blame others for!

No one is implying that because Jesus lived under a different dispensation there is nothing there for the Christian to learn from. Rightly dividing the word of truth is still very key

Again,Kindly CLEARLY show us where "Tithes" are said to apply to the dispensation of the church

Where did the Bible say so?

Where did the Bible say so?

On what basis did they do that? On the basis of Abrahamic "eternal principle" tithing or on the basis of the COMMAND in the Law?

OkaiCorne:


The root cause of this tithe debate is money. If everyone is truly focused on Jesus, we won't be having this "tithe" controversy.

By the way, help me answer these questions;

1) If everyone stopped giving tithes and offering would the church shut down?

2) Did God use money (especially tithes) to create the Heavens and the Earth?

3) Is God limited to money?

petra1:


I will answer you . But kindly answer me.
petra1:


Now you can commit murder? Do you give offerings? Do you do alms to the poor? Is that not contradictory ?
Without the knowledge of the law there will be lawlessness



But those who have problem with giving that need to hear that not the givers

OkaiCorne:


Let's be clear on something, Jesus came to fulfill the Law, not to abolish it...hence your questions holds no water.

There were modifications in the new covenant. The Old covenant is expected to be a shadow of the new covenant which states

1) Love God with all your heart, soul and might

2) Love your neighbor as yourself.

Animal Sacrifices have no hold in an upgraded covenant...but why is tithing still applicable to both covenant? Are you implying that is nothing better in the new covenant that replaces tithing?

If you insist tithing is valid, are Christians even tithing in the format God clearly spelt out in the Bible?

Please answer my questions and the ones I asked here. THANK YOU

petra1:


When you answer I will

OkaiCorne:


Please stop this hide and seek game, I have explained in that post you quoted that Jesus came to fulfill (enhance and upgrade) the law and not abolish it...

Read that post you quoted again and see the answers to your questions there. And I'm still awaiting your answers? I can give you 403 laws of the Torah you must adhere to if you insist on the validity of tithe payments.

Do you recall a certain portion in the book of James that says breaking one of these Laws means you're automatically breaking all?

plainbibletruth:

His new thrust is to ask about incest as if that equates with their mandatory tithing and appearing not to see how it's been dealt with for the Christian.

OkaiCorne:
Dear Tithers,

If I am to love both God and man, and I involve my earnings in sacrificial giving ( "tithes" included...) have I broken the basic requirements of the new covenant...which is to love God and Man?

Will anyone here claim he or she is serving God, and would see a dying Orphan or widow...and yet still pay tithes at the expense of saving the life of someone created in God's image?

If tithe payment and saving the Life of an Orphan is a mutually exclusive option...out of LOVE, what will you do?

analize701:


Lolzzzz, you may have seen another moniker like mine discussing Tithe on this platform, because Tithe is the least topic i have engaged in the platform, but whatever you say, good for you.

If i decided to leave a post unanswered is not becos i can't answer or because i have nothing to say, maybe because the post is senseless and won't waste my time on it.

I never attacked anyone o, i told you represent points rather than talking for talking sake. If you take that as an insult and are offended, i'm sorry pls.


Okay. Thank you for your opinion, but i opened this thread not to fight but to exchange views based on the Bible, not how we feel personally.


Do you think i didn't see this verse? Who is talking about The Promise here? Did i open this thread to talk about perfection?

Sir, the bone of my OP is, WHY did the Holy Spirit bring the issue of Tithing while Comparing tje Priesthood of Melchizedek as the eternal High Priest who had no mother, no father. not linked to the linage of Israel, and compared it with the Priesthood of Christ?

Why did he begin by talking about Tithe taking. Pls discuss my OP or leave me in peace.


Abeggi, you either don't understand my OP or you are deliberately dodging it.

You said Pastor threaten people to Pay Tithe, and i showed you from the Scriptures that it is God Himself who threatens you, not pastors, now you are attempting to make another issue of it.

Listen, i will not allow you derail my thread, it's either we discuss it, or you let it be.

We are not here talking about who obtained any Promise or who is perfect.

Lolzzzz. Ah nah waoooo. Christians who pick and choose from the Bible what shd apply to them and what should not. Now old Testament belongs only yo the Jews because it involves the issue of Tithe paying.

You are a descendant of Abraham through Christ abi? Shay Abraham na New Testament Patriarch? Shey you claim the Promises in the Old Testament abi? Why will you do that?

I hope you still remember that the Hebrews 11 were you quoted from, connects us with the Patriarchs? Or, you are not a Seed of Abraham through your Faith in Christ? I hail ooo.

Start your life in middle and see how far you go.

Hmmm. If only you have tried getting close to my Op.

You ignore my Op to discuss Pastors?
Wise men talk only when they have something to say...


This would have been true if you had tried discussing my Op. lolzz.

So Bishop Oyedepo will stoop to respond to Freeze? Lolzzzzzzzzzz. You must attach great value to this Freeze Character. sorry not everyone is as flimsy and idle like you are.

Who is Freeze to challenge his grand father? You actually believe Pa Adeboye will take out time to respond to an empty ambitionless attention seeker like Freeze? What stupidity? What are Freeze's contributions to the Lives of Nigerians aside from talking on radio, who is he?

I, in low estate has not responded to him, will Fathers do? Really? abeg Gererahia.

From start to finish, you have said absolutely nothing, so from here i say to you, good bye.

When you go into a thread, read the Op and address it.

petra1:


Your statement not clear



Why is it tithe that is always used for such illustration ? Why not your house rent ?

petra1:


Your statement not clear



Why is it tithe that is always used for such illustration ? Why not your house rent ?

petra1:


Can you honestly answer me this question : is incest a sin ? If it is what make it so?

Jesusgirl92:
@bolded... Good question.

bloodofthelamb:


INCEST IS A SIN BECAUSE THE LAW OF GOD SAYS SO. BUT THE LAW CANNOT STOP US FROM SINNING.

WHY IS IT SO? IT IS, BECAUSE WE ARE SINNERS AND TRANSGRESSORS BY NATURE...

IT IS JUST LIKE YOU MAKING A LAW PROHIBITING BIRDS FROM FLYING, THREATENING THEM WITH DEATH, IF THEY DO... IS IT POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO KEEP TO THAT LAW? KNOWING TOO WELL, THAT IT IS AGAINST THEIR NATURE.

MANKIND BY NATURE IS LAWLESS AND MILLIONS OF LAW AND REGULATION CANNOT CHANGE THAT... GOD KNEW IT THAT IS WHY HE SENT HIS SON, SO THAT THROUGH HIM WE MIGHT HAVE A NEW NATURE, THAT WILL ENABLE US WALK IN RIGHTEOUSNESS WITHOUT ANY LAW.

Is incest a sin? How did Adam and his Family reproduce all of us then?

When God wiped the world clean and left Noah and his Family, how did they reproduce the rest of us?

Maybe God didn't plan it or didn't care about how it happened. But later declared it a sin.

SHALOM!

OkaiCorne:


I know you'll be here

This brings me back to our talk on priorities....

Should tithes be the number 1 priority in our life? At the expense of food, clothing and shelter?

Did widows and orphans pay tithes back in those days?

OkaiCorne:


I know you'll be here

This brings me back to our talk on priorities....

Should tithes be the number 1 priority in our life? At the expense of food, clothing and shelter?

Did widows and orphans pay tithes back in those days?

bloodofthelamb:


INCEST IS A SIN BECAUSE THE LAW OF GOD SAYS SO. BUT THE LAW CANNOT STOP US FROM SINNING.

WHY IS IT SO? IT IS, BECAUSE WE ARE SINNERS AND TRANSGRESSORS BY NATURE...

IT IS JUST LIKE YOU MAKING A LAW PROHIBITING BIRDS FROM FLYING, THREATENING THEM WITH DEATH, IF THEY DO... IS IT POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO KEEP TO THAT LAW? KNOWING TOO WELL, THAT IT IS AGAINST THEIR NATURE.

MANKIND BY NATURE IS LAWLESS AND MILLIONS OF LAW AND REGULATION CANNOT CHANGE THAT... GOD KNEW IT THAT IS WHY HE SENT HIS SON, SO THAT THROUGH HIM WE MIGHT HAVE A NEW NATURE, THAT WILL ENABLE US WALK IN RIGHTEOUSNESS WITHOUT ANY LAW.

SHALOM!

Akin1212:


How far Bro.

Jesusgirl92:
My number one priority as a Christian like I've said before is soul winning. But it doesn't mean I'll neglect my other obligations as a Christian.

Jesusgirl92:
My number one priority as a Christian like I've said before is soul winning. But it doesn't mean I'll neglect my other obligations as a Christian.

Jesusgirl92:
They keep saying you should do the "weightier" one.... Must you do one at the expense of the other?? Why not just do all without cherry picking the one you should do and the one you should not??

paxonel:

1. You say i ignored your OP to discuss pastors.
Is this not one of your comment in your OP?

You :[b] It is very important to note that we are not Tithing to pastors but to Christ our High Priest.

You mentioned pastors in your post, when i mention pastors too in response you start attacking me

paxonel:


You are writing plenty things without being conscious of the ones you wrote previously thinking that no one can identify your error in the midst of your plenty posts? Search yourself.
It's not about writing plenty plenty it's about writing sensibly.

paxonel:


2. You say you did not attack me? When i posted this
Me:When pastors tell church members if you don't pay tithe then you are robbing God, what do you call that,is that not compulsion?

This was your first response

You: Lolzzz. This thread is not for Children pls...

Even if my comment was childish the least you should have done was to correct me first before saying so.
It was after you called me children that you then quoted Malachi to say that it was God that threatened me not pastors.
Next time endeavor to correct people's childish comments before saying they are children or it amount to attack, because at the end your Malachi you quoted did not prove my response was childish, I gave my reason quoting Hebrews 11,that I'm a christian so malachi's threats will not possibly be God threatening today christians. And pastors should not use Malachi to be God.

paxonel:

So beware of these men of God.

Jesusgirl92:
Analize701... It's always a pleasure following your threads.... Remain blessed my dear sister in Christ... I love you.

petra1:


Why hasn’t someone answered me. I can assure you it will clear this mountain before us.

OkaiCorne:


Please stop this hide and seek game, I have explained in that post you quoted that Jesus came to fulfill (enhance and upgrade) the law and not abolish it...

Read that post you quoted again and see the answers to your questions there. And I'm still awaiting your answers? I can give you 403 laws of the Torah you must adhere to if you insist on the validity of tithe payments.

Do you recall a certain portion in the book of James that says breaking one of these Laws means you're automatically breaking all?

analize701:

quote author=paxonel post=62893462]
No don't run, come back here let me point out your errors.
Run from you? lolzzzzz. Will i run from my thread? Point out my errors.

1. You say i ignored your OP to discuss pastors.
Is this not one of your comment in your OP?

You : It is very important to note that we are not Tithing to pastors but to Christ our High Priest.

You mentioned pastors in your post, when i mention pastors too in response you start attacking me

And how does that interprets to discussing Pastors. The reason why i said that is because, those who don't Pay Tithe, have the believe that Tithe is Paid to Pastors which is not true.

The sacrifices you take to the shrines, who are you sacrificing to? Isn't it to the gods you go to consult? but who eats the substance? Isn't it the Medium through which the god relates to you? Does the Native Doctors throw the goats and chickens you take to them for sacrifices?

Good News Translation 1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Surely you know that the men who work in the Temple get their food from the Temple and that those who offer the sacrifices on the altar get a share of the sacrifices.

[b] In the same way, the Lord has ordered that those who preach the gospel should get their living from it..

If you have a problem with Pastors eating from Tithes and offerings, pls take it up with Jesus.


You are writing plenty things without being conscious of the ones you wrote previously thinking that no one can identify your error in the midst of your plenty posts? Search yourself.
It's not about writing plenty plenty it's about writing sensibly.
Talk is cheap, point out my errors.


2. You say you did not attack me? When i posted this
Me:When pastors tell church members if you don't pay tithe then you are robbing God, what do you call that,is that not compulsion?

This was your first response

You: Lolzzz. This thread is not for Children pls...

Even if my comment was childish the least you should have done was to correct me first before saying so.
It was after you called me children that you then quoted Malachi to say that it was God that threatened me not pastors.
Next time endeavor to correct people's childish comments before saying they are children or it amount to attack, because at the end your Malachi you quoted did not prove my response was childish, I gave my reason quoting Hebrews 11,that I'm a christian so malachi's threats will not possibly be God threatening today christians. And pastors should not use Malachi to be God.
When i sensed that you got offended by that, i apologized, didn't i?

Are you a partaker of the Abrahamic Promise or not?
Is Abraham a New Covenant Patriarch?

If you claim you are a Christin so the Old Testament shd be trashed, how did you get connected to the Promise God made to Abraham to Bless the nations
him?

Having this discussions with you guys, i'm beginning to sense lies and dishonesty.

If you are a Christian without roots in the old Testament, then you are lying to yourself. No one can be a Christian without having roots in the OT.


So beware of these men of God.
As much as i don't support any man of God who misappropriates God's money, but at the same time, i can't get involve in what they do. Their misconducts will not lead me to sin by what i say. God will not hold you guiltless if you sin because they sinned.

Listen. You see what is going on right now and you guys think you are doing God a service? You had better not sin in the process, because, it will be held against you.

The Sons of Eli, Hophni and Phenehas, were every where misappropriating God's ordinances. Right in the Temple, they were having sex with women who went to offer sacrifices. They made light of Gods sacrifices and treated the Israelites badly.

The people complained, God did nothing about it, Eli did nothing about. But, the people of God didn't stop doing to Shiloh to offer their sacrifices because the Sons of Eli where the ones in charge of the offerings and were using them as they liked. They still went and did their part by giving what was required of them.

When the iniquities of Eli's sons was complete, God wiped them off completely.

Don't think you know how better to fight God's Battle.

If the pastors are using Gods money to buy Jets, do you think, God doesn't know or see?

OkaiCorne:


Let's assume you have a to do list, and you have limited time and money (budgeted time and money) to fulfill everything on the list.. automatically, you prioritize and focus on more critical and weightier issues. Important but less weightier issues can be dealt with later or discarded altogether.


Do you understand?