Handled already: see #94 above.

It might help to put on ya thinking cap.

Deep Sight:

From Viaro -

O, i see you have conceded the first one: namely that it is PROVEN that you assert that God lives in heaven in a physical body. . . now you are concentrating on the other two, ehn?

You're an absolutely illiterate IDIOT!

From post #67 I have concentrated on just these two LIES you ascribed to viaro -

(a)

Deep Sight:

2. You state that Spiritual realms do not exist

(b)

Deep Sight:

3. You state that Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death

You made no progress but kept running between pillar and post lying all the more! Shame.

Please QUOTE ME and let's read where your lies appear in any one of my posts about those two statements you lied into my rejoinders.

Ha ha ha. . . easy o. . . abi frustration is setting in?

It must set in when you bind yourself in such a tight spot.

We have established that your God dwells in heaven in a physical body. Great.

Let us concentrate on bringing you round to see your other griandose assertions.

Quote from Viaro on April 14 2010/ 08:24:17 PM -

(a) Enoch
The simple testimony of Scripture is that Enoch did not experience death - "Enoch was taken up so that he should not see death, and he was not found, because God had taken him" (Heb. 11:5, ESV). For those who wish to argue endlessly to the contrary, my simple request is that they provide me any verse where Enoch is said to have died - death being defined Biblically as 'the body without the spirit' (James 2:26).

(b) Elijah
"Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven" (1 Kings 22: is an oft-quoted verse to this point, from which we understand that he was taken up bodily into heaven just as was reported of Enoch. There is not a single verse that declares Elijah's death anywhere in Scripture -

GREAT.

So both these vanishing prophets did not die, but were automatically vammoooooosed into heaven.

YOUR words, not mine.

Thus they DID NOT NEED JESUS' DEATH TO ENTER HEAVEN AS JESUS HAD NOT YET DIED, NO?

ALSO THEY WERE NOT SUBJECT TO DEATH AS NECESSITATED BY ADAMIC SIN, NO?

I repeat; you are a professional clown.

DeepSight,

You shame whoever is connected with you. This is over 30 posts now (from post #67) where I asked you to QUOTE ME on these lies you asserted were my statements:

(a)

Deep Sight:

2. You state that Spiritual realms do not exist

(b)

Deep Sight:

3. You state that Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death

I just wanted to see you QUOTE ME instead of lying further and excusing the fact of what I have challenged you with. Maybe I should help you: no such statements appear anywhere in any of my posts - and you can keep lying from now till the next millenium and yet unable to QUOTE ME for those statements.

I have had an absolutely swell laugh at your idiocy. . .  because the fellow who tried to persuade me that you had returned from your exile a better discussant will now know better and stop bugging me with your deepshitty lying spree. The only thing that brought me back to this thread was to show him just one fact: that the deepshit known as 'DeepSight' is an irredeemable LIAR - for we can go back and forth from now till morning and over 300 pages in this thread, and you DeepSight will not be able to QUOTE ME for the lies you asserted were my statements.

Enjoy being such a boring LIAR.

^^^ Any person who has a brain can see the inanity of your assertions.

So laugh off, Kid.

It is rather you who shames us all by not being able to handle straight up logic and bleating about quotes when they have been given to you thrice over.

Deep Sight:

It is rather you who shames us all by not being able to handle straight up logic and bleating about quotes when they have been given to you thrice over.

Where are the thrice over where you have QUOTED ME for these lies ?? --

(a)

Deep Sight:

2. You state that Spiritual realms do not exist

(b)

Deep Sight:

3. You state that Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death

(a) Where is MY QUOTE for the statement that "Spiritual realms do not exist"??

(b) Where is MY QUOTE for the statement that "Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death"??

You said those were my "statements" - please QUOTE ME.

Why is that hard to do?

DeepSight, you're just a bloody liar. End your shame and let Nairaland alone for some sanity.

Am off to bed. For the sake of the objective reader i present the very clear statements you have made once again – WITH QUOTES.


1. You state that God lives in Heaven in a Physical Body

a.   You stated that Jesus ascended into heaven with a physical body ( provided the quote in post No #89 on this thread.)

b.   You state that Jesus is God. ( provided the quote in post No #89 on this thread.)

c.   Thus inescapable conclusion – God (Jesus) is in heaven with a physical body.


2.   You state that Spiritual realms do not exist

a.   You state that physical things enter into spiritual realms bodily - Your line 3 on Post #14 in this thread.

b.   If that is the case such realms are not immaterial anymore – as they contain material things

c.   It follows that immaterial realms do not exist


3.   You state that Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death

a.   You state that All men require the sacrifice of Jesus to reach heaven

b.   But you state that Elijah and Enoch reached and dwelt in heaven even before Jesus’ sacrifice (I quoted this in Post #98 above)

c.   Thus, inescapably, they did not need the sacrifice

d.   Thus the sacrifice is useless in redeeming man from death.

Ol boy. . . give up the ghost. . .you're making yourself look really queer tonite.

Gnite.

I gat 8am meeting here in Dar es Salaam and its 1 am here already.

^^ there were just TWO quotes right from post #67 I have asked you to QUOTE ME for those lies you made.

These are the two "statements" which you ascribed to me -

(a)

Deep Sight:

2. You state that Spiritual realms do not exist

(b)

Deep Sight:

3. You state that Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death

You have again repeated them here:

Deep Sight:

2. You state that Spiritual realms do not exist

Deep Sight:

3. You state that Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death

I have asked you these simple questions:

(a) Where is MY QUOTE for the statement that "Spiritual realms do not exist"??

(b) Where is MY QUOTE for the statement that "Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death"??

You said those were my "statements" - please QUOTE ME.

Why is that hard to do?

You yet have NOT quoted any post where I made such statements as

(a) "Spiritual realms do not exist"

(b) "Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death"

WHY are you delaying and buying time and yet LYING further and not quoting me precisely? Is your lying the very best you can give yourself in this 21st century?

Deep Sight:

Ol boy. . . give up the ghost. . .you're making yourself look really wretched tonite.

I'm unruffled by your LYING, mr DeepLYING.

I gat 8am meeting here in Dar es Salaam and its 1 am here already.

From Dar es Salaam to Nairaland, who cares what time of day you LIE all over the place, ?

Reminder:

viaro:

DeepSight, you're just a bloody liar. End your shame and let Nairaland alone for some sanity.

From a person who believes affirmatively and has stated repeatedly that Jesus is God, what is the difference between these two statements -

1. Jesus rose to heaven in his physical body

2. God rose to heaven in his physical body.

Judge for yourselves folks.

Whose lying now?

I submit myself to your Judgment!

viaro:

The dishonesty is yours, keep it. If I have quoted you out of context, please show instead of grumbling and showing nothing.

You denied that Elijah went up into heaven - I have repeated the several quotes showing your categorical denials. To now come back fine-tuning your denials to become an "unknown places" is just a sham! We KNOW about the realm of heaven you describe as including the outer space, planets, sun, moon and stars - so what absolute rubbish are you on about?

Please find better ways to lie - you bore me already!

2 Kings 2:1 & 11 - Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. That has always been the simple quote I left you without trying to adjust it to the realms of the outer space, sun, moon, stars and all such things you called "unknown places".

Alive in Heaven

"And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." (2 Kings 2:11)

This remarkable event--the translation of Elijah alive into heaven, without dying--was altogether miraculous, but it really happened! Among other things, it assures us that heaven is a real place in this created universe, for Elijah is still there in his physical body, still alive, to this very day.

The prophet Enoch, who had also served God in a time of deep apostasy, had likewise been taken into heaven without dying (that is, into the "third heaven," beyond the starry heaven, where God's throne is), as recorded in Genesis 5:24 and Hebrews 11:5. Enoch's prophecies, addressed to the entire world of mankind, were given at approximately the midpoint of the period from Adam to Abraham, whereas those of Elijah, addressed only to Israel, were given at essentially the midpoint of the time from Abraham to Christ. Both were caught up alive into heaven before their ministries were finished. It is possible that they will return again to earth as God's "two witnesses" who will prophesy to both Jews and Gentiles in the last days (note Malachi 4:5-6; Revelation 11:3-12), then finally to be slain and resurrected.

In any case, there will also be one entire generation of believers who will--like Enoch and Elijah--be caught up alive into heaven. "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven . . . and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air" (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).

This could very well be our generation! And "when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is" (1 John 3:2). HMM

^^^ But seriously Olaadegbu, look at this verse again -

"And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." (2 Kings 2:11).

What other words do you expect that ancient writers would use if a vessel did come and whisk the prophet away upwards?

Clearly they would only use the word "heaven" - this does not mean that you as a rational person should conclude -

1. WHERE they went to (it could have been anywhere - it could even have been just a few kilometres away - just like an air plane that takes off and lands at another location.

2. THAT they went to A SPIRITUAL REALM - with the material physical body.

Such a supposition is intensely ridiculous as a physical thing has no space, no dimension or tangent available to it to ENTER  and REMAIN in that which is already described as intangible.

From where did Elijah's subsequent letter come?

DHL Heaven Ltd? Or. . . Federal Express. . . ?

These guys sha!

Deep Sight:

^^^ But seriously Olaadegbu, look at this verse again -

"And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." (2 Kings 2:11).

What other words do you expect that ancient writers would use if a vessel did come and whisk the prophet away upwards?

If only you could read the verse in its context would you understand the scenario around that verse. Learn to read from verse 1 at least may be you could fathom what God was talking about. You will discover that God had revealed to Elijah that he was to be caught up by a whirlwind into heaven it did not take him by surprise. Your case is the result of those who read the Bible to find faults in it or are you trying to justify your belief in UFO abduction?

Deep Sight:

Clearly they would only use the word "heaven" - this does not mean that you as a rational person should conclude -

1. WHERE they went to (it could have been anywhere - it could even have been just a few kilometres away - just like an air plane that takes off and lands at another location.

2. THAT they went to A SPIRITUAL REALM - with the material physical body.

Such a supposition is intensely ridiculous as a physical thing has no space, no dimension or tangent available to it to ENTER and REMAIN in that which is already described as intangible.

He was not abducted he was translated to heaven as said earlier and for your information, heaven is a material place created by God just as Korah and company found out that hellfire is real when he went in alive.

Deep Sight:

From where did Elijah's subsequent letter come?

DHL Heaven Ltd? Or. . . Federal Express. . . ?

These guys sha!

The letter had been sent shortly before his translation by courier service.

OLAADEGBU:

and for your information, heaven is a [size=20pt]material[/size] place created by God

OLAAAAAAAAAAADEGBU! ! !

DID YOU REALLY SAY THIS? ? ? ? ?

Deep Sight:

OLAAAAAAAAAAADEGBU! ! !

DID YOU REALLY SAY THIS? ? ? ? ?

You can laugh all you want just don't burst the spare tyre. Heaven, and I mean the third heaven is a real place where Elijah is alive in his physical body and that makes him the second longest living person next to Enoch alive in heaven in their physical bodies. If you haven't heard that you are hearing it from me today.

A Christian woman had to do a lot of travelling for her business.  Flying made her nervous, so she always took her Bible along with her to read and it helped relax her.

One time, she was sitting next to a man.  When he saw her pull out her Bible, he gave a little chuckle and went back  to what he was doing.  After a while, he turned to her and asked,

"You don't really believe all that stuff in there, do you?"

The woman replied, "Of course I do.  It is the Bible."

He said, "Well, what about that guy that was swallowed by that whale?"

She replied, "Oh, Jonah.  Yes, I believe that, it is in the Bible."

He asked, "Well, how do you suppose he survived all that time inside the whale?"

The woman said, "Well, I don't really know.  I guess when I get to Heaven, I will ask him."

"What if he isn't in Heaven?" the man asked sarcastically.

"Then you can ask him," replied the woman.

Really, OLAADEGBU, Heaven is a material place?

Na wah.

I fit take Luftansa reach there?

Na wah.

Viaro: "God is in heaven in a Physical Body."

Olaadegbu: "Heaven is a material place."

A STANDING OVATION FOR THESE GUYS PLEASE! ! !

Deep Sight:

Really, OLAADEGBU, Heaven is a material place?

Na wah.

I fit take Luftansa reach there?

Na wah.

Viaro: "God is in heaven in a Physical Body."

Olaadegbu: "Heaven is a material place."

A STANDING OVATION FOR THESE GUYS PLEASE! ! !

Enoch and Elijah went to heaven alive, Korah and co. went to hell alive, when I get to heaven I will check out their physical bodies and if you remain unrepentant you may check out the bodies of Korah and company who went to hell alive.

Read through all of this. Why young men do these arguments end up in flames/IS it a question of ego?

Noetic v Viaro

Noetic concludes that even though it is stated that Elijah went to heaven, the evidence of Jesus from a recent testament counters that, plus the fact that there are many heavens. Which heaven did he go to? Certainly not the one Jesus came from! Why is it a big deal to understand this, Viaro? Seriously this is what I take out from this.


Viaro v Deepsight

Deepsight has made straitfoward deductions from your statements, like a lawyer in a court, and he is right. Your understanding of scripture is the problem here. Let us examine the situation of Christ. he was taken up towards heaven and a cloud receive him from their sight, Now, none of us can say for certain if he went with his body after the cloud receives him. We can only conclude that in heaven, God will look like an angel being, and on earth, he will exist as man. Ditto for Enoch and Elijah, the writers saw them taken up, but after they disappeared, they will most likely be tramslated from their pysical being to spiritual being. There is no material address in the sky called heaven. Do not take Bibilical words carnally. Let me give you another example. Christ said he came down from heaven;

Does it mean he flew with a chariout down to earth?
Does it mean he flew down from heaven by himself?


I think it is a spiritual event.

When it is written that the trumpet will sound, a carnal understanding will take it to mean that some angels will stay afloat in the sky with trumpets sounding all over the earth. Is this not the work and understanding of false religion?

Did Jesus come and go in the flesh?

Please Olaadegbu, I am tired of these cartoons. They give a puerile feel to an otherwise academic affair.

Kindly desist.

Thanks.

Marlbron:

Read through all of this. Why young men do these arguments end up in flames/IS it a question of ego?

Noetic v Viaro

Noetic concludes that even though it is stated that Elijah went to heaven, the evidence of Jesus from a recent testament counters that, plus the fact that there are many heavens. Which heaven did he go to? Certainly not the one Jesus came from! Why is it a big deal to understand this, Viaro? Seriously this is what I take out from this.


Viaro v Deepsight

Deepsight has made straitfoward deductions from your statements, like a lawyer in a court, and he is right. Your understanding of scripture is the problem here. Let us examine the situation of Christ. he was taken up towards heaven and a cloud receive him from their sight, Now, none of us can say for certain if he went with his body after the cloud receives him. We can only conclude that in heaven, God will look like an angel being, and on earth, he will exist as man. Ditto for Enoch and Elijah, the writers saw them taken up, but after they disappeared, they will most likely be tramslated from their pysical being to spiritual being. There is no material address in the sky called heaven. Do not take Bibilical words carnally. Let me give you another example. Christ said he came down from heaven;

Does it mean he flew with a chariout down to earth?
Does it mean he flew down from heaven by himself?


I think it is a spiritual event.

When it is written that the trumpet will sound, a carnal understanding will take it to mean that some angels will stay afloat in the sky with trumpets sounding all over the earth. Is this not the work and understanding of false religion?

I really would have thought that it should be clear for him to see and it saddens me that Viaro of all people would possess such a physical reading of a spiritual matter.

Deep Sight:

I really would have thought that it should be clear for him to see and it saddens me that Viaro of all people would possess such a physical reading of a spiritual matter.

@DeepSight, please end your lying - it's beyond you to keep holding out your lies day in and day out. I did not 'possess such a physical reading of spiritual matter', especially when it is clear that you in particular have no understanding of spiritual matters in the first place.

I would have indeed be glad to discuss the issues you first proposed in this thread, but seeing that you have confirmed you're nothing other than a bloody liar, I left you to your adventures. Calm down (if you may) and please show me the direct quotes of the lies you gutlessly ascribed to me - QUOTE ME - or have the decency (if you have any at all) to admit that I never made any of these statements:

(a)

Deep Sight:

2. You state that Spiritual realms do not exist

(b)

Deep Sight:

3. You state that Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death

The moment you admit you were wrong and have acted dubiously to ascribe those lies to me (especially because you can't find that anywhere in any quote of mine), then I would be glad to follow through. If you do not do so (because you cannot find any such quotes), I leave you to continue lying through your yellow teeth.

@Malbron,

Marlbron:

Read through all of this. Why young men do these arguments end up in flames/IS it a question of ego?

I am not sure you read through all of it - you're just claiming to have done so. This is why:

Marlbron:

Noetic v Viaro

Noetic concludes that even though it is stated that Elijah went to heaven, the evidence of Jesus from a recent testament counters that, plus the fact that there are many heavens. Which heaven did he go to? Certainly not the one Jesus came from! Why is it a big deal to understand this, Viaro? Seriously this is what I take out from this.

Dude, did you miss such posts as #84 and #71 where I gave a few examples of posts where noetic16 categorically denied what was stated in 2 Kings 2:1 & 11? If noetic16 had rather admitted that Elijah indeed went into heaven as the Scripture said, before proceeding to explain which sphere of 'heaven' he might have thought that 2 Kings 2:1 & 11 were referring to, I would not have spent many posts trying to persuade him of the clear statement in those verses.

The verse in 2 Kings 2:11 said plainly: ". . . Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven". Why was noetic16 completely denying the statement in that verse, as in -

[list](a)

noetic16:

I have established why elijah did NOT go to heaven . . . . . .what u choose to do with your ignorance is up to u 

(b)

noetic16:

The chronologies establish the FACT that elijah did NOT ascend/went into heaven.

(c)

noetic16:

3. Enoch and Elijah did NOT ascend into heaven  . . . . to claim so is to say that Jesus lied.

(d)

noetic16:

There is no reason to believe that Enoch or Elijah went to heaven/realm of the spiritual. . . . .and there are several notions that support this truth . . . ,

[/list]

These are plain statements noetic16 made and there's no twisting anything to the fact that he completely denied that verse! Denying that Elijah went into heaven as the verse categorically said in plain simplicity is NOT the same thing as admitting later that Elijah went into heaven but a different sphere of 'heaven'.

On the other hand, I have maintained throughout that Elijah went into heaven - that was what I have repeatedly admonished noetic16 to consider, and that was what I was consistent about. It was not a matter of which sphere of heaven Elijah went into; rather, it was the simple plain fact of what that verse stated.

The question of John 3:13 was also not denied in my rejoinders - which was why I explained in detail meaning of Jesus' words in that verse in light of Ephesians 4:9-10, which appears in my first rejoinder to noetic16.

The point in all this is simple: noetic16 dug his own grave by first denying Scripture (as we have seen in those direct quotes (a) to (d) above) ... only to have come back trying to surreptitiously admit what that verse said, that Elijah went into heaven. Even at that, the same noetic16 ended up confusing himself with garbled notions that such an 'heaven' in 2 Kings 2:11 was outside the scope of our knowledge, and yet saying that it was the second realm (realm 2).

Here are his quotes again:

(a)

noetic16:

3. So when I talk about the unknowns . . . . .I imply that Elijah and Enoch could have been taken to anywhere outside of the scope of our knowledge. ,   .  but definitely NOT the heaven where God dwells.

If it was "outside the scope of our knowledge", how did noetic16 yet KNOW that it was realm 2?!? --

(b)

noetic16:

If Jesus said Elijah was NOT in realm 3.
and realm 1 is for rain and our immediate sky . . . . . . . . . .where then would Elijah be?

EXPO . .  . . . .realm 2. 

. . . and according to the same noetic16, the sphere he identifies as realm 2 is:

noetic16:

Elijah ascended into heaven. The heaven he ascended to is NOT the dwelling place of God. . . but one of the unknown places God created (The second realm of heaven) which includes the outer space, planets, sun, moon and stars.

So what the heck? Is it: "elijah did NOT ascend/went into heaven" or that "Elijah ascended into heaven"?!?

From the onset, noetic16 was out to deny Scripture - that is his loss, not mine. It was not a question of which "realm" that our discussion was based, so the question of "realm 2" is simply moot. His garboil lately was to hide his confusion under such pretences of "unknown places" - yet, no one is asking the same noetic16 if the realm where the 'outer space, planets, sun, moon and stars' is UNKNOWN?!?

Even if, for the sake of an argument, we allow noetic16 to fool himself further, such an "UNKNOWN" realm 2 does not make any sense - either to himself or to those who stand ready to vacate their own reasoning. Why? Because the realm 2 is KNOWN - otherwise the same noetic16 would not be able to identify that realm in the first place. HOW did he ever come to know that 'realm 2' is the place he identified it if it was UNKNOWN? He was just arguing from emptiness to infer that Elijah went into that sphere where 'outer space, planets, sun, moon and stars' are found - he has absolutely NOTHING to show this from Scripture.

So tell me, Malbron - the same noetic16 who first denied that Elijah went into heaven is the same who came back to admit what he denied: does that help your vacuous statement that you had read through this thread so you can confuse what viaro was all about? First, it was "elijah did NOT ascend/went into heaven" ... and then "Elijah ascended into heaven" - both from the same person, noetic16! The idiocy in that is really such a comedy to behold; and that is why confused dolts don't impress me with their garbled denials and further cacophony.

@Malbron,

Marlbron:

Viaro v Deepsight

Deepsight has made straitfoward deductions from [size=14pt]your statements[/size], like a lawyer in a court, and he is right.

Excuse me, but DeepSight did not set out to make any deductions - he LIED that I had made certain STATEMENTS which are not found anywhere in any one of my posts! Did you miss that? Here again:

Deep Sight:

Here are the very clear statements you have made once again –

(a)

Deep Sight:

2. You state that Spiritual realms do not exist

(b)

Deep Sight:

3. You state that Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death

Please tell me Malbron, -

(a) WHERE did viaro STATE that "Spiritual realms do not exist" - please QUOTE ME directly!

(b) WHERE did viaro STATE that "Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death" - please QUOTE ME directly!

How could you be drawing such idiotic and unfounded conclusions that DeepSight was "right" when he had LIED in saying I made STATEMENTS that I never made ANYWHERE? Is that the best that you Malbron could have drawn upon to say he was "right"?

I did not state anywhere that "Spiritual realms do not exist" nor did I state anywhere that "Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death". Where you disagree, please QUOTE MY STATEMENTS directly. It were better that you just observed and shut your trap instead of throwing your support in for shameless liars like DeepSight! I consider you one of the same liars UNTIL you QUOTE ME DIRECTLY where I ever made any such statements ascribed to me above!

Joker. go debate nursery school kids, not me.

You statements are most clear.

You state clearly that Jesus is God. Thus what is the difference between these two statements -

1. Jesus rose to heaven in his physical body

2. God rose to heaven in his physical body.

Your STATEMENT THAT GOD ROSE TO HEAVEN IN A PHYSICAL BODY IS MOST CLEAR.

Laugh it off, Viaro - tight corners dont feel good do they?

Deep Sight:

Joker. go debate nursery school kids, not me.

At least, nursery school kids are more mature than you bloody liar.

Where did I make any such statements as these:

(a)

Deep Sight:

2. You state that Spiritual realms do not exist

1. Please QUOTE my statements - date, time, post - where viaro ever stated that "Spiritual realms do not exist".

(b)

Deep Sight:

3. You state that Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death

2.  Please QUOTE my statements - date, time, post - where viaro ever stated that "Jesus sacrifice was not necessary for man to defeat death".

When you lie in public and have nothing to cover your lies, you keep repeating those lies ad infinitum precisely to show the character of your rogue religion.

Deep Sight:

Laugh it off, Viaro - tight corners dont feel good do they?

I would have laughed it off if it were not for the fact you are a bloody liar - nothing tight about that.

Deepsight,ur thread hz been hijacked all bcz of arguements that make my head ache.
U guys say same thing ovr and ovr again and nobody is makin any new claims.Tot u started ths thread for d info and nt d insults.
Viaro,if he (deepsight) refuses 2quote U,plz ignore hs subsequent posts 4d sake of maturity.

Odunnu:

Deepsight,your thread hz been hijacked all bcz of arguements that make my head ache.
U guys say same thing ovr and ovr again and nobody is makin any new claims.Tot u started ths thread for d info and nt d insults.

It is now clear that DeepSight was not looking for any discussion from the onset - or he would have been willing to discuss issues beyond this point.

Odunnu:
Viaro,if he (deepsight) refuses 2quote U,plz ignore hs subsequent posts 4d sake of maturity.

It's been over 55 posts since I requested that he QUOTED MY DIRECT STATEMENTS for the falsehood he ascribed to me - my repeated requests that he quote me was just for one thing: I wanted to see how long DeepSight would have to hold out his LYING. I promised the fellow who tried to persuade me to engage in this thread that DS would keep lying to over 100 posts after my request ... but since the point is made, I don't need to impress that fellow any longer: he should draw his conclusions about what I warned him about initially.

And thanks once again for your comments.

__________

PS. did you check your mail yet - I gave the link. Let me know if it didn't get to your inbox and I'll re-send.

10, 000 pages repeating the same plaintive plea will NOT save you son.

Others have already seen through this joke of yours.

I once had a househelp who loved to steal fish from the kitchen and nibble on it. Even when caught red handed with the fish still stinking in his mouth, he would keep denying the fact.

The fish is stinking in your mouth, Mr. Pilgrim.1.

For you HAVE MADE THE VERY CLEAR STATEMENTS THAT I ATTRIBUTED TO YOU.

I am happy to note that you are only limiting yourself to contesting No. 2 and No. 3 now. I take it that it has become beyond even you to deny that you made the clear statement in No. 1 - to wit - that God dwells in heaven in a Physical body. Thanks for conceding the OBVIOUS on that one.

Now here is your VERY CLEAR STATEMENT THAT JESUS DEATH WAS NOT NECESSARY FOR MEN TO OVERCOME DEATH AND PROCEED TO HEAVEN -

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(a) Enoch
The simple testimony of Scripture is that Enoch did not experience death - "Enoch was taken up so that he should not see death, and he was not found, because God had taken him" (Heb. 11:5, ESV). For those who wish to argue endlessly to the contrary, my simple request is that they provide me any verse where Enoch is said to have died - death being defined Biblically as 'the body without the spirit' (James 2:26).

(b) Elijah
"Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven" (1 Kings 22: is an oft-quoted verse to this point, from which we understand that he was taken up bodily into heaven just as was reported of Enoch. There is not a single verse that declares Elijah's death anywhere in Scripture -

Do we need to help you read your own statements, son? ? ?

Had Jesus died on the cross at the time above where you claimed that TWO men vanished into heaven without dying?

Listen: if you genuinely believe that I am making false statements, then you have no need to worry: the objective reader will read the thread and see clearly that you are right: and that I am indeed a liar. So there is no need for you to return to this thread.

Rather it is obvious that the ONLY reason that you keep returning to bleat the same inanity is simply the fact that you KNOW very well that there is substance to my claims and you are afriad to let the issue rest on this note: because you know it does not favour you.

This thread above all others has exposed the paucity of your thinking, the emptiness of your understanding of scripture and indeed life, existence, logic and has confirmed to what devastating degree you are sickeningly bereft of any degree of insight on even the most elementary matters.

Physical things dwell in spiritual realms indeed.

How d.aft.

Odunnu:

Deepsight,your thread hz been hijacked all bcz of arguements that make my head ache.
U guys say same thing ovr and ovr again and nobody is makin any new claims.Tot u started ths thread for d info and nt d insults.

Regrettably i can hardly state that I expected much better from you. Are you not Viaro's student? Yes, I'm sure I remember that.

How are your classes coming along?

Excellent, I hope.

Now I honestly do not know what you are on about.

But I will use a VERY simple example to make it clear for you: since you are so challenged.

A man comes to me to tell me the whereabouts of President Umaru Musa Yaradua.

He thus says to me –

“Umaru is in the clinic at Aso Rock.”

Now we all know that Umaru is President Yaradua as referred to there.

The same man now denies that he ever stated that President Yaradua IS IN THE CLINIC AT ASO ROCK.

Like a hungry charlatan he will insist that we “quote him” ever stating that “President Yaradua is in the Clinic in Aso Rock.”

That is plain ridiculous. HE DID SAY IT ALREADY – WHEN HE SAID THAT UMARU IS IN THE CLINIC IN ASO ROCK.

BECAUSE UMARU IS A REFERENCE TO PRESIDENT YARADUA.

Thus when this clown states that “Jesus went to heaven in a physical body” – he has made a VERY CLEAR STATEMENT THAT GOD WENT TO HEAVEN IN A PHYSICAL BODY – SINCE HE STATES JESUS TO BE GOD.

So please do not dare impugn my integrity or mouth off about what you do no understand – this denial is absolutely SICKENING.

HE SAID IT.

That’s a fact.
“Jesus went to heaven in a physical body” is the SAME statement as

“God went to heaven in a physical body” –

SINCE JESUS IS GOD.

If Viaro has any integrity, why don’t you ask him to deny that he stated that –

“Jesus went to heaven in a physical body”

Then in your next mentorship session with him, sneak him a question – “Is Jesus not God?”

Simple.