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Boko Haram Vs Religion Of Islam by smilek(m): 6:56am On Mar 22, 2018 |
BOKO HARAM VS RELIGION OF ISLAM 1. The Boko Haram kidnapped girls and forced them to change their religion. While Islam says: “Let there be no compulsion in religion.....” (Qur’an 2:256) 2. The Boko Haram have forcefully married off girls. While Islam says: ".....Do not inherit women against their will....." (Qur’an 4:19) 3. The Boko Haram are aggressive towards those who do not follow their beliefs. While Islam says: “IF IT HAD BEEN YOUR LORD’S WILL, all of the people on Earth would have believed [in one religion]….” (Quran 10:99) 4. The Boko Haram have murdered thousands of Muslims and Christians alike in cold blood. While Islam says: “….If any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people...” (Quran 5:32) 5. The Boko Haram use the cover of Islam to commit their mayhem and claim they are doing ALLAH'S work or JIHAD (HOLY WAR). While Islam says: “…… BUT DO NOT TRANSGRESS LIMITS; FOR GOD LOVES NOT TRANSGRESSORS.” (Qur’an 2:190)" 6. The Boko Haram believes once you are not with them you are an enemy to them. While Islam says: “O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other)......” (Quran 49:13) 7. The Boko Haram have unleashed tyranny and indecency in the land. While Islam says: “God commands justice and doing good and giving to relatives. And He forbids indecency and doing wrong and tyranny....” (Quran 16:90) Finally, upon all their false claims its clear to see that Boko Haram do not represent Islam in any way because, they are acting against it! 3 Likes |
Re: Boko Haram Vs Religion Of Islam by Auki: 7:08am On Mar 22, 2018 |
smilek: Allah loves not the Aggressor. Boko Haram, and their like, will insha Allah be the losers for they transgress beyond bound, causing hardship and perpetrating slaughter in the Land. Allah is the best disposer of affairs. |
Re: Boko Haram Vs Religion Of Islam by Redoil: 7:19am On Mar 22, 2018 |
But bh do quote thesame koran to justify their evil act against humanity |
Re: Boko Haram Vs Religion Of Islam by CuteMadridista: 7:38am On Mar 22, 2018 |
Redoil: OP is cherry picking I'm sure anti islam people that know Quran inside out would put OP in his place, people like AlBaghdadi, true2god, Muafrika, Mavisguy212 etc |
Re: Boko Haram Vs Religion Of Islam by iamgenius(m): 8:28am On Mar 22, 2018 |
Redoil:Show us sir. |
Re: Boko Haram Vs Religion Of Islam by paxonel(m): 8:42am On Mar 22, 2018 |
The Quran is the reason why there are boko haram and ISIS because the book is full of controversial misunderstood verses |
Re: Boko Haram Vs Religion Of Islam by CuteMadridista: 9:00am On Mar 22, 2018 |
paxonel: what makes you say they're "misunderstood" by the Boko Haram sect? who's the judge of the right understanding? |
Re: Boko Haram Vs Religion Of Islam by dalaman: 9:26am On Mar 22, 2018 |
Boko Haram use the same Koran to justify their deeds. So who is fooling who? |
Re: Boko Haram Vs Religion Of Islam by paxonel(m): 11:10am On Mar 22, 2018 |
CuteMadridista:their conscience should be able judge rightly to let them understand that killing in any form is never Islamic. Certain verses of the Quran which out rightly seems to encourage killings should be studied thoroughly, sometimes the verses were specific instructions for muslims of that ancient generations indicated in the verse, and the instruction should not be passed to Muslims of this modern day. So, any Muslim reading the Quran and see a verse saying KILL THE INFIDELS and he goes ahead to start killing people saying i saw it in the Quran, that Muslim is not a true Muslim |
Re: Boko Haram Vs Religion Of Islam by CuteMadridista: 11:17am On Mar 22, 2018 |
paxonel: I don't buy this sir, I understand your view but still disagree There's an argument called "Moral Argument" in which it argues that the creator is the correct judge of morality and whatever he says is moral including things that may go against our common sense (conscience) Then again, "Conscience" is highly overrated and overused cuz I notice Christians themselves have their morality vary from place to place. there's a thread on FP right now that exposes the fact that Trousers wearing females are allowed in UK and US branches of MFM while they're turned away by Nigeria branches. Now tell me, why does the average UK resident not have some "Conscience" telling them its wrong or why are the members of the Nigeria branches not have their Conscience tell them there's nothing wrong? Also you're ignoring the fact that the creator of the universe may have handed down his morals to transcend any time including the future. the mistake you made here is assuming the creator needs to change his morals as time passes which might be true but not necessarily true |
Re: Boko Haram Vs Religion Of Islam by geoworldedu: 1:51pm On Mar 22, 2018 |
Book Harams are more Mohammedlike than most Muslims today. They are more closer to making Allah's heaven than the rest. But Mohammed(may slaps be upon his cheeks) and Allah(may his pant catch fire) have really caused trouble o. Chai! |
Re: Boko Haram Vs Religion Of Islam by EazyMoh(m): 2:44pm On Mar 22, 2018 |
Even in court cases precedence is very important. If you Islamophobes claim the radical terrorists who make up less than 0.001% are the ones interpreting Islam correctly against the rest of us 99.999% mainstream Muslims who declare they are wrong. The best way to decide is to go back in history and study the early years of Islam. Did the prophet and the Rashidun Caliphs did what barbarians like Boko Haram are doing? |
Re: Boko Haram Vs Religion Of Islam by paxonel(m): 3:05pm On Mar 22, 2018 |
CuteMadridista: Not just only moral, but ethical as well. Remember, ethics supercedes morality. Morality is what is generally accepted whether it is right or wrong but ethics is what comes from God himself and it is always right. that one, humans have no choice but to obey. For instance, "thou shall not kill " is not just only a moral law but it is also ethical. Humans does not have choice but to obey, irrespective of whether they are Europeans or Africans or whatever. this is not true! Everything that goes against our conscience is not morally or ethically right. If you apply it, "thou shall not kill" simply means if one kills it's a sign that the individual does not have conscience, it is never morally right anywhere, before God it is wrong, therefore it is against ethics. The two situations you have just described here do not fall under conscience or ethics but falls under morality. Like i said before, every tribes can choose whatever that morally suit them. European ladies choose to put on trousers that is morally right for them, but may not be morally right for Africans, therefore putting on trouser or not is optional, it is not ethical law and does not require conscience. the creator is more liberal than any human you can ever think of. He allows every tribe to choose their moral laws that suit them so long these laws do not go against ethics or conscience |
Re: Boko Haram Vs Religion Of Islam by CuteMadridista: 3:16pm On Mar 22, 2018 |
paxonel: Are you saying that the killings carried out by the Israeli on the Canaanites were wrong? remember that Yahweh was the one that ordered the killing and even said they should kill the boys and non vigin females and to keep the virgins for themselves. this order was also given AFTER the 10 commandments have been given again, what's your take on the Divine Command Theory? What are your religious views? |
Re: Boko Haram Vs Religion Of Islam by paxonel(m): 4:42pm On Mar 22, 2018 |
CuteMadridista:The killings was a retaliation of a similar killings carried out by the canaanites on the Jewish tribe some years before. The canaanites were stubborn and never listened to Yahweh when he asked to them not to attack the Jews. Attacking the Jews by some few stubborn canaanites implies attacking yahwehs plan to save the whole mankind later, and sacrificing the lives of some few stubborn canaanites to pave way for the later salvation of the whole world worth it, and justifies the killings. Having this at the back of your mind, the killings was right. Because if the cananites were not stubborn, then Yahweh would not have ordered the killings. what people fails to understand is, the divine command is not a theory but a law and it is not different from ethical subjectivism, only that the law has been modified by humans to suit themselves, that's why divine command looks like what you see today as a theory. Divine command laws are simply the commanments which says Thou shall not worship any other God but Yahweh Thou shall not kill Thou shall not lie Thou shall not bear falls witness Honor your parents Thou shall not commit adultery Thou shall not covert your neighbors property. Anything outside these seven laws is not divine command but additional modifications by humans. Yahweh is all supreme and he is christianity today, no one has ever fight Christ and succeeded ever since christianity was established approximately 2000 years ago till this day. |
Re: Boko Haram Vs Religion Of Islam by CuteMadridista: 4:59pm On Mar 22, 2018 |
paxonel: Either way you look at it, you were able to rationalise this due to hindsight and the sovereignty of the god you serve. Have you applied this to the Boko Haram and the Muslims? A Muslim also could give his own rationalisations. a Boko Haram member, if we can talk to him, wouldn't feel bad about the killings but would give explanations too I'm also a bit spooked by your saying telling them to kill the Canaanites was good due to a few bad eggs, This somehow justifies the killing of women and non Virgin female children you think the Israeli soldiers were feeling ecstatic when they thrust their swords into children and women? The fact that you could find a way to rationalise this and say it was good shows you're no different from the Boko Haram guys, only that they - according to you - serve "the wrong god". who knows if there's some divine plan of cosmic proportions Allah is using the killings to achieve. Amazing way to impale yourself on the Euthyphro Dilemma and please don't throw Christian verses at me when discussing divine morality according to Muslims |
Re: Boko Haram Vs Religion Of Islam by paxonel(m): 9:39pm On Mar 22, 2018 |
CuteMadridista:what happened then did not occur in a modernised world like ours today, obviously humans were extremely primitive many of which never had to the opportunity to be educated, hence, there was so much impunity and Yahweh reacted drastically. not in this modern day where there is education and understanding. A child will always grow up with the wrong mindset if he was raised up by parents with the wrong mindsets and this will end up having a population with the wrong mindset. Like i said, the level of impunity perpertrated by the canaanites was not indicated in that scripture, if the impunity they committed warrant death, that means it was that bad. Don't try to be sympathetic of what has happened in the past, it will do you no good today. I'm very sure Yahweh was not ecstatic too, but he just have to do it for the sake of man this your statement do not follow, good or bad you can't hold me responsible for what happened generations ago all because I'm in support of it today. What matters is now, not the past. In the past, God may give his people instruction to kill. But this modern day it is not so anymore . If boko haram kills people this modern day, saying Allah sent them,it is not Allah, they are responsible and should be punished for their wrong doing. If it were possible for God to kill boko haram himself for their wrong doing just like the way he killed the Canaanite, I'm in support of it. But I'm not in support of any christian killing boko haram saying God commanded me to do so, because God will never give that kinda commandment this modern day where there is knowledge and education. the Quran never mentioned any such thing. it's your own opinion different from mine it's like a judge in a court of law saying don't throw me evidence while judging your case |
Re: Boko Haram Vs Religion Of Islam by Thegamingorca(m): 9:43pm On Mar 22, 2018 |
Auki: Amin |
Re: Boko Haram Vs Religion Of Islam by CuteMadridista: 4:11am On Mar 23, 2018 |
paxonel:The problem with this line of thought is that there's nothing stopping the "supposed" creator of the universe called Allah not to change the rules with time. Allah may not give a rat's ass behind about Education and civilisation due to its sovereignty You said certain Canaanites did wrong so it was okay for them and their children to be all killed. its akin to saying some bad Nigerians is enough reason to nuke the country Now if you actually see killing entire people for the crime of a few as something good but its now wrong due to "that was then" it means you're working on the assumption that civilisation determines how Allah must've given his morality Truth is you're being too broad in the way you're thinking and the only reason Christians don't kill for their god is simply because Jesus came down and preached a different message. Remove this and you'll have lots of killings. Remove New testament and what you have would be killings upon killings Its exactly making my point for me If Yahweh wasn't happy but commanded it anyways for his own reasons which you had to use his sovereignty and your hindsight to make happen who's to say Allah is also not doing the same? I'm not holding you responsible, I'm holding your explanation serious and applying the same to the Boko Harams I'm afraid I have to seriously disagree! You're talking as though you know Allah himself and he couldn't have commanded these killings. your explanations so far haven't been convincing at all and unless you're Allah you can't know Don't try to draw similarities between Canaanites and Boko Haram, Boko Haram's killings were purely religiously motivated while there's no place in the Bible its said the Canaanites attack on the Israelites were religiously motivated What of a group of Jews that say Yahweh showed them they need to kill the Boko Haram members? what's your argument against that? since they don't have Jesus It doesn't have to for all we know Allah may decide to keep the cards to himself. truth is you're expecting Allah to behave a certain way which he doesn't have to Creator of the universe foes not need to make sense. You're using actions of Yahweh as a format that Allah must also take
The main reason I said that is to a Boko Haram member, the biblical 10 commandments don't hold any water All I've been doing so far is talking like a Boko Haram member The creator of the universe owes us no explanation for his commands This applies to Yahweh too as we see him give commands which made no sense like the Battle of Jericho. I used the Canaanites to draw you in... now tell me what the Jericho people do wrong. go ahead If you can't tell us what they did to deserve such destruction then you'd have to agree that Yahweh doesn't have to make sense, same as Allah |
Re: Boko Haram Vs Religion Of Islam by orisa37: 5:09am On Mar 23, 2018 |
Bokoharam and its Founders will definitely perish and Islam will remain for good IJN AMEN. |
Re: Boko Haram Vs Religion Of Islam by paxonel(m): 7:03am On Mar 23, 2018 |
CuteMadridista:You have a point there, Yahweh doesn't have to make sense, same with Allah. But that does not mean that Yahweh and Allah are not making sense to anyone who cares to understand them. I think understanding why Muhammad came up with Islam in the first place should be the first assignment for boko haram, and the only way they can get that is proper interpretation of their Quran verses which they have failed to do. The same thing applies to christians and the bible. And like you said, I'm not Yahweh or Allah to know what's on their mind, but it is wisdom to accept the right interpretations of the bible and Quran as physical documentations of the minds of Yahweh and Allah respectively |
Re: Boko Haram Vs Religion Of Islam by CuteMadridista: 7:50am On Mar 23, 2018 |
paxonel: Honestly you have a very cogent point here and I have not studied the history of islam, I doubt majority of the Boko Haram guys have either. Neither do most Christians about their religion too. I'm amazed by the fact that all Christians I've ever discussed Christianity with in real life don't have as much knowledge about Christianity like I do. All Christians I've ever talked to found it very surprising that there are far more Muslims in Israel than Christians, most don't even know there's a religion called Judaism which rejects the new testament I think a huge part of why religion spreads also becomes its undoing or brings with it issues. Religion spreads majorly through individuals and these individuals end up getting huge followings and majority of these followers take their "Leader's" words for it - by words for it I mean whatever interpretation the leader holds true. Most religionists have never sat down to personally research on their religion but rely on their religious fathers. I laugh anytime I'm on Nairaland and all Nairalanders scream that they don't take their pastor's words for it. All you need do is attend a church programme and see how they fall under groupthink or get intimidated by authority This is why an MFM can call wearing of trousers by females a sin and Christ embassy don't. because Olukoya's interpretation of the bible differs from that of Oyakhilome. so while almost every MFM member sees it as sin, CE members see it as not but majority of those have never sat down to check themselves if its really a sin or not . I think this cult following religious leaders have amassed is the biggest problem with it and when a leader that thinks murdering "infidels" is right gathers huge following, Boko Haram is what you get |
Re: Boko Haram Vs Religion Of Islam by paxonel(m): 4:10pm On Mar 23, 2018 |
CuteMadridista:your analysis is absolutely correct Bro, I keep saying that it takes an educated mind to interprete and understand the bible and Quran and very few Africans are educated to that extent. This same christianity and Islam are practiced by europeans and things are getting well with them, how come that Africans who adopted these foreign religions from europeans cannot see a head way in their lives? It's really a sympathetic situation |
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