Many people use Paul’s writings as proof that Jesus is God. But this is not fair to Paul, because Paul clearly believed that Jesus is not God. In his first letter to Timothy, Paul wrote: “I charge you, in the sight of God and Christ Jesus and the elect angels, to keep these instructions, ” (1 Timothy 5:21).
It is clear from this that the title God applies not to Christ Jesus, but to someone else. In the following chapter, he again differentiates between God and Jesus when he says: “In the sight of God, who gives life to everything, and of Christ Jesus, who while testifying before Pontius Pilate made the good confession, ” (1 Timothy 6:13).

Paul then went on to speak of the second appearance of Jesus: “the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, which God will bring about in his own time.” (1 Timothy 6:14-15).

Again, the title God is deliberately turned away from Jesus. Incidentally, many people think that when Jesus is called “Lord” in the Bible that this means “God.” But in the Bible this title means master or teacher, and it can be used for addressing humans (see 1 Peter 3:6).

What is more important, however, is to notice what Paul said about God in the following passage, which clearly shows that Jesus is not God: “God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever.” (1 Timothy 6:15-16).

The Bible insists that God alone is to be worshipped: “When the LORD made a covenant with the Israelites, he commanded them: ‘Do not worship any other gods or bow down to them, serve them or sacrifice to them. But the LORD, who brought you up out of Egypt with mighty power and outstretched arm, is the one you must worship. To him you shall bow down and to him offer sacrifices. You must always be careful to keep the decrees and ordinances, the laws and commands he wrote for you. Do not worship other gods. Do not forget the covenant I have made with you, and do not worship other gods. Rather, worship the LORD your God; it is he who will deliver you from the hand of all your enemies.’” (2 Kings 17:35-39).

Jesus, on whom be peace, believed in this, for he also stressed it in Luke 4:8. And Jesus too fell on his face and worshipped God (see Matthew 26:39). Paul knew that Jesus worshipped God (see Hebrews 5:7). Paul taught that Jesus will remain forever subservient to God (see 1 Corinthians 15:28).

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The Bible insists that God alone is to be worshipped: “When the LORD made a covenant with the Israelites, he commanded them: ‘Do not worship any other gods or bow down to them, serve them or sacrifice to them. But the LORD, who brought you up out of Egypt with mighty power and outstretched arm, is the one you must worship. To him you shall bow down and to him offer sacrifices. You must always be careful to keep the decrees and ordinances, the laws and commands he wrote for you. Do not worship other gods. Do not forget the covenant I have made with you, and do not worship other gods. Rather, worship the LORD your God; it is he who will deliver you from the hand of all your enemies.’” (2 Kings 17:35-39).

@ bolded above. u can clearly see dat dat was yahweh speaking

yahweh was clearly the jewish god, just like the way the greeks had zeus. only difference was dat the jews were monotheist. from the stamement above, u can clearly see dat. everybody had their own god back then. dats why he was distinguished as the god of abraham. from the passage above, u can clearly see dat he acknoledged dat other tribes/region/nations had their own gods (ie, he wasn't a god for all but the jews) n his egoistic-self was always jealous if his people try to bow down or worship other peoples gods. the jews had laws (like the US constitution) n attributed it to written laws from their god (just like muhammad attributed the koran/sharia as same

this god (yahweh) is the self-creation of ancient jewish men n clearly, it was just for them (e.g "the god of israel). how "modern" people in nigeria, who are supose to know better, are now worshiping dis ancient men-made jewish deity is quite appalling. ancient men who thot the sum revolved around the sun n all other ancient myths written in their ancient manusript now being taken as literal words of a world wide god by the disillusioned

Jesus, on whom be peace, believed in this, for he also stressed it in Luke 4:8. And Jesus too fell on his face and worshipped God (see Matthew 26:39). Paul knew that Jesus worshipped God (see Hebrews 5:7). Paul taught that Jesus will remain forever subservient to God (see 1 Corinthians 15:28).

Jesus was a jew n a practicing jew at dat, so ofcourse he worshipped the jewish god. man (once again) later made him a god after his death. u wonder why jesus himself never mentioned later on made-up myths about his birth to sum virgin mother n angel gabriel n all dat made-up bullsh.t by those trying to proove he too was a deity years after his death. funny how christians worship "a man" who practived judaism. i wonder why/how all these simple things are so hard to understand

chakula:


Many people use Paul’s writings as proof that Jesus is God. But this is not fair to Paul, because Paul clearly believed that Jesus is not God. In his first letter to Timothy, Paul wrote: “I charge you, in the sight of God and Christ Jesus and the elect angels, to keep these instructions, ” (1 Timothy 5:21).
It is clear from this that the title God applies not to Christ Jesus, but to someone else. In the following chapter, he again differentiates between God and Jesus when he says: “In the sight of God, who gives life to everything, and of Christ Jesus, who while testifying before Pontius Pilate made the good confession, ” (1 Timothy 6:13).

Paul then went on to speak of the second appearance of Jesus: “the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, which God will bring about in his own time.” (1 Timothy 6:14-15).

Again, the title God is deliberately turned away from Jesus. Incidentally, many people think that when Jesus is called “Lord” in the Bible that this means “God.” But in the Bible this title means master or teacher, and it can be used for addressing humans (see 1 Peter 3:6).

What is more important, however, is to notice what Paul said about God in the following passage, which clearly shows that Jesus is not God: “God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever.” (1 Timothy 6:15-16).

I wish I had time to respond to this

petres_007:

I wish I had time to respond to this

It's not worth it.

Chakula i guess thats the name of the thing he smokes. Over here we call it Chakulaku

@chakula:
From the same epistle to Timothy

1 Tim 3:16  And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

You cannot pick and choose which scriptures you believe, you antichrist.

Enigma:

It's not worth it.  

Shebi??

Hisses and moves on to next thread  

aletheia:

@chakula:
From the same epistle to Timothy[b]You cannot pick and choose which scriptures you believe,[/b] you antichrist.

A ground shattering GBAM!!!!

babaearly:

Chakula i guess thats the name of the thing he smokes. Over here we call it Chakulaku

abi?? him jus dey take style tell us

^^^ I therefore assume that in your view it is impossible for something to be the manifestation of another thing and not at the same time be that thing.

When i read articles like this it does not amuse me because i see ignorant in display. i wonder why questions or debate about if Jesus Christ is God or not should he held at all. I tend to answer your question from the stand point to giving you an understanding. you will receive understanding if only you open up your heart to want to know, then will the Holy Spirit cause your understanding to be fruitful.
Apostle Paul said in 1Timothy 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was made manifest in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory".
Apostle John in the gospel said in John1:1-3 say "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
lets use this illustration, in your family where you come from, do you bear the same surname with your father, mother and siblings? if  yes why. The answer is because your father gave birth to you or you came from that lineage that bears that surname.
The word "GOD" is really not a name, it is a position or a title; for example a man is not called a father unless he has a child, neither is he called a husband unless he has a wife. The word husband, father, wife or mother are positions or title. Do you know what it means to be called a god? The word god or God in the Hebrew is called "el it means the strong one. by iillustrationis can be compare to the horn of a ram or the strength of an oak tree. This is why HE called himself the rock of our salvation or the sstrengthof Israel (PPS 95:1). This is why He declares there is no other god before Him and there will be no other beside him. (Isaiah 44:6,8; 46:9). Before His incarnation, Jesus was the Word of God ( 1 John. 5:7).
Anyone born of a king automatically is a royal person. The word or name God is the name of a family, it is a royal family that has a kingdom. The Father is the king of the Kingdom of God. Outside this family, there is no other god anywhere in eternity. Satan is called the god (2 Cor. 4:3-4) because Adam the first made gave him the scepter of authority. Adam was the one God made to be the god of the earth, because he (aAdam came out from God (Gen. 1:26).This is what apostle Paul meant when he said ", we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one" (1 Cor. 8:4). From the first scripture i gave, it is obvious that Jesus was the God made manifest in the flesh, this God became a human being so we could see him, feel him and understand his ways. He came to redeem us. His earthly name is called Jesus (Matthew 1:18-21). From the bible we know that God is a spirit being (John 4:24), but when he became human (John 1:14) he was called Jesus. Jesus is the exact rRepresentativeof the Father on earth, the imprint character of His being and personality. Now this Jesus the Father has declare and make him master and cChristfor our sake (Acts. 2:36). Jesus is not the Father, but He is God.
God the father wants you to be born of His family, so that you can be not only one created by Him but also born of Him; Having His DNA flowing in your blood. This can be very ppossibleif only can believe in Jesus redemptive work for you on the cross and declaring His Lordship over your life ( Rom. 10:9-10).
if you do this i say to you, congratulationand welcome to the family of God. you are a king and a priest unto God. i hope to read from you soonest.

thank you.

The Bible says that God performed miracles through Jesus & Jesus
was limited in what he could do.
Matt. 9:8 “But when the crowds saw this, they were awestruck, and glorified
God, who had given such authority to men.”
Acts 2:22 “a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and
signs which God performed through Him in your midst.”
Acts 10:38 “…he went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed
by the devil, for God was with Him.”
If Christ was God, the Bible would simply say that Jesus did the miracles
himself without making reference to God. The fact that it was God supplying
the power for the miracles shows that God is greater than Jesus.
Also, Jesus was limited in performing miracles. One time when Jesus tried
to heal a blind man, the man was not healed after the first attempt, and
Jesus had to try a second time (Mark 8:22-26). Once a woman was healed
of her incurable bleeding. The woman came up behind him and touched
his cloak, and she was immediately healed. But Jesus had no idea who
touched him:
Mark 5:30 “At once Jesus realized that power had gone out from him. He
turned around in the crowd and asked, ‘Who touched my clothes?’”
4
Mark 6:5 “He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a
few sick people and heal them.”
Quite obviously, someone with such limitations can not be God. The power
of miracles was not within Jesus.

Chakula has great points. he is able provide excerpts from the same bible, that drew out the difference between god and Jesus. On the face of it, Trinity does not make any sense, and the bible did not expressly state it. Christianity like every other human activity undergoes change. its more difficult for Christians Cos the doctrine is frozen in the bible.

chakula:

The Bible says that God performed miracles through Jesus & Jesus
was limited in what he could do.
Matt. 9:8 “But when the crowds saw this, they were awestruck, and glorified
God, who had given such authority to men.”
Acts 2:22 “a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and
signs which God performed through Him in your midst.”
Acts 10:38 “…he went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed
by the devil, for God was with Him.”
[b]If Christ was God, the Bible would simply say that Jesus did the miracles
himself without making reference to God. [/b]The fact that it was God supplying
the power for the miracles shows that God is greater than Jesus.
Also, Jesus was limited in performing miracles. One time when Jesus tried
to heal a blind man, the man was not healed after the first attempt, and
Jesus had to try a second time (Mark 8:22-26). Once a woman was healed
of her incurable bleeding. The woman came up behind him and touched
his cloak, and she was immediately healed. But Jesus had no idea who
touched him:
Mark 5:30 “At once Jesus realized that power had gone out from him. He
turned around in the crowd and asked, ‘Who touched my clothes?’”
4
Mark 6:5 “He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a
few sick people and heal them.”
Quite obviously, someone with such limitations can not be God. The power
of miracles was not within Jesus.

@Chakula,

The problem is that folks like you either don;t want to do a proper study of the bible and wiegh in all the related portions before arriving at your conclusions. Try it. It doesn't hurt. . . very much

bros what type of study you wanted me to do?

petres_007:

@Chakula,

The problem is that folks like you either don;t want to do a proper study of the bible and wiegh in all the related portions before arriving at your conclusions. Try it. It doesn't hurt. . . very much

chakula:

bros what type of study you wanted me to do?

I meant, a little hermeneutics wouldn't hurt. Bring out all the scriptures - the ones that seem to portray Jesus as a man, and the others that seem to portray him as God. Carefully compare them along with other related scriptures like the ones where Jesus said things about himself, what others thought of him (esp. the apostles & disciples). That way you'll come up with conclusions much closer to the truth instead of picking only the scriptures you want.

Paul said that God alone is immortal. Immortal means he does not die. Check any dictionary. Now, anyone who believes that Jesus died cannot believe that Jesus is God. Such a belief would contradict what Paul said here. Furthermore, to say that God died is a blasphemy against God. Who would run the world if God died? Paul believed that God does not die.

Paul also said in that passage that God dwells in unapproachable light — that no one has seen God or can see him. Paul knew that many thousands of people had seen Jesus. Yet Paul said that no one has seen God, because Paul was sure that Jesus is not God. This is why Paul went on teaching that Jesus was not God, but that he was the Christ (see Acts 9:22 and 18:5).

When he was in Athens, Paul spoke of God as “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands.” (Acts 17:24). Then he identified Jesus as “the man he (i.e. God) has appointed.” (Acts 17:31).

Clearly, for Paul, Jesus was not God, and he would be shocked to see his writings used for proving the opposite of what he believed. Paul even testified in court saying: “I admit that I worship the God of our fathers, ” (Acts 24:14).

He also said that Jesus is the servant of that God, for we read in Acts: “The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.” (Acts 3:13).

For Paul, the Father alone is God. Paul said that there is “one God and Father of all, ” (Ephesians 4:6). Paul said again: “, for us there is but one God, the Father . . . and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, ” (1 Corinthians 8:6).

All genuine christians, i beseech you not to comment on this thread neither give heed to the foolishness of the author of this topic for it is great. The author is simply an anti-christ {1john 4:2-4} but we have overcome him. If the author was not a fool, he should have taken note of this in the bible: LORD, Lord and lord. The first refers to GOD the Father, the second refers to GOD the Son {JESUS} and the last refers to human beings whom GOD Himself called god {psalm 82:6, Exodus 7:1 and John 10:34}. Now, in the name of JESUS, i command every veil of darkness covering your eyes to fall off now. Amen.

chakula:


Many people use Paul’s writings as proof that Jesus is God. But this is not fair to Paul, because Paul clearly believed that Jesus is not God. In his first letter to Timothy, Paul wrote: “I charge you, in the sight of God and Christ Jesus and the elect angels, to keep these instructions, ” (1 Timothy 5:21).
It is clear from this that the title God applies not to Christ Jesus, but to someone else. In the following chapter, he again differentiates between God and Jesus when he says: “In the sight of God, who gives life to everything, and of Christ Jesus, who while testifying before Pontius Pilate made the good confession, ” (1 Timothy 6:13).

Paul then went on to speak of the second appearance of Jesus: “the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, which God will bring about in his own time.” (1 Timothy 6:14-15).

Again, the title God is deliberately turned away from Jesus. Incidentally, many people think that when Jesus is called “Lord” in the Bible that this means “God.” But in the Bible this title means master or teacher, and it can be used for addressing humans (see 1 Peter 3:6).

What is more important, however, is to notice what Paul said about God in the following passage, which clearly shows that Jesus is not God: “God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever.” (1 Timothy 6:15-16).

Chakula, if you read the bible the way you do, then you would not even believe that God is supreme by the time you are done. You have to realize the fact that the bible has been translated time and time again and has lost most of its true meaning, so unless you get the original manuscripts you would be lost. In NKJV, if i remember correctly in the book of Judges it says in a particular verse, that God possessed the people of Israel during a battle but they couldn't defeat their enemies because they rode in chariots of Gold. We are also told in the new testament that God does not repent but in the OT God repented for making Saul the King of Israel in the same bible version. There are more errors like this all over. This is due to translation. I am sure you know that even in your own language it is not easy translating to English. So you need to put aside this false theology of yours. If Jesus wasn't God, i am very sure he would have let us know from the very beginning. Food for thought: Why would the Jews have wanted so bad to kill a fellow Jew if he wasn't saying something they thought was blasphemous? You need to have done some very serious research to really understand what you are talking about.

Dauchman:

Chakula, if you read the bible the way you do, then you would not even believe that God is supreme by the time you are done. You have to realize the fact that the bible has been translated time and time again and has lost most of its true meaning, so unless you get the original manuscripts you would be lost. In NKJV, if i remember correctly in the book of Judges it says in a particular verse, that God possessed the people of Israel during a battle but they couldn't defeat their enemies because they rode in chariots of Gold. We are also told in the new testament that God does not repent but in the OT God repented for making Saul the King of Israel in the same bible version. There are more errors like this all over. This is due to translation. I am sure you know that even in your own language it is not easy translating to English. So you need to put aside this false theology of yours. If Jesus wasn't God, i am very sure he would have let us know from the very beginning. Food for thought: Why would the Jews have wanted so bad to kill a fellow Jew if he wasn't saying something they thought was blasphemous? You need to have done some very serious research to really understand what you are talking about.

Just what I was trying to tell him to do. The very thing Jesus was "indicted" over was because of his claim to divinity. SO please stop raising dust and go study, enh, @chakula.

petres_007:

Just what I was trying to tell him to do. The very thing Jesus was "indicted" over was because of his claim to divinity. SO please stop raising dust and go study, enh, @chakula. 

divinity ko, poverty ni, it was a horrible lie that was formented inorder to deceive people like u

Abuzola !:

divinity ko, poverty ni, it was a horrible lie that was formented inorder to deceive people like u

What nonsense are u talking?

toba:

What nonsense are u talking?

ask me again, we are telling u the reality u are frowning

Abuzola !:

ask me again, we are telling u the reality u are frowning

Abuzola my man!!! Is it really you??

No, am is brother

Abuzola !:

No, am is brother

huh?

Are u scared, surprise or astounded or non of the above, which one ?

Abuzola !:

Are u scared, surprise or astounded or non of the above, which one ?

I'm happy to see you back na. . . anh, anh! I miss you well well oooo,

Abuzola !:

No, am is brother

Islam&deceit are in separable no?

U have started again, i thought u are now a changed person, nawa o, may Allah open ur eyes to the light of truth amin

Abuzola !:

U have started again, i thought u are now a changed person, nawa o, may Allah open your eyes to the light of truth amin

Changed from what to what? I remain myself. What happened is that most of us(like myself) ceased going to the other side to post sincn non of ur folks came here. If u want us to maintain this,u have to be gentle. Deal or no deal?

Abuzola !:

U have started again, i thought u are now a changed person, nawa o, may Allah open your eyes to the light of truth amin

Who're you referring to? me or Toba?