Why Is Jesus The Son Of God?

I want to give Christianity a chance and with an open mind, i ask how do we know Jesus is the Son of God?

Very interested question Christians should respond sensibly and convincingly so as to make the whole world understand how could a God give birth to Jesus.

Jesus is the Son of God, qed. God born am, do you now belief?

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Jesus is the Son of God, qed. God born am, do you now belief?

they keep talking that God has given birth to a son.but i'm yet to know who Mrs.God is

Ah, leave that one, hin no consign you.

Which god? definitely not Yahweh.
In ancient Canaanite, and, later Hebrew legend, Baal was the son of EL. Lilith,the queen of heaven, was the daughter of EL , and lady Ashera was the consort of EL. the ancient hebrews were so fearlful of Yahweh, that they often abandoned him to worship Ashera, Baal and Lilith , making scarifices and prayers in the hope that they might intercede on their behalf to the wrathful yahweh.
During the time of prophet Elijah, he led the Yahwehist on a murderous asault against the worshippers of Baal and Ashera and nearly wiped out the followers.

Most people , out of ignorance , do not know or conveniently forget that it was the council of Nicea that decreed that JESUS deemed and refered to as the son of god. The nicean creed also decreedthat any one whosoever opposed that decree was an anaethema(good as dead-in layman's term).
The rest is history.

There is really no basis for this belief, It is a big shame that Christians have adopted this belief,

A little rational thinking shows that this is just a ludicrous notion,

^^^ Jesus is not only the Son of God; He is God.

plaetton:
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Most people , out of ignorance , do not know or conveniently forget that it was the council of Nicea that decreed that JESUS deemed and refered to as the son of god. The nicean creed also decreedthat any one whosoever opposed that decree was an anaethema(good as dead-in layman's term).
The rest is history.

Read this: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-497445.0.html

Try to educate yourself and stop talking in ignorance and spreading lies (deliberately or indeliberately).

y'all listen, Jesus is d son of God because he is creation of God, all of us are sons of God by creation and so is Jesus, there is no mrs God that gave birth to us, we have physical parents that did give birth to us,but God calls us his sons and daughters, d false teachins of trinity is wat has actually spoilt everytin, with that notion that Jesus is God himsefl then it becomes harder to understand,
But lets all read colossians chapter 1 verse 15,
There tels us that Jesus is d 1st born of all creation, all d angels too are reffered to us as sons of God as job chapter 1 verse 6 tells us, but Jesus is d 1st born amongst all d sons of God wether in heaven or earth,
So Jesus is a confirmed son of God by creation not by birth, thanks every1,

^^^ NO Sir! Jesus is not creation of God! Jesus is the Son of God begotten not made/created --- and Himself through whom all things were made.

Christians are adopted "sons/daughters/children" of God.

Don't get it twisted! 

Enigma:

^^^ NO Sir! Jesus is not creation of God! Jesus is the Son of God begotten not made/created --- and Himself through whom all things were made.

Christians are adopted "sons/daughters/children" of God.

Don't get it twisted!

Did u read that colossians i quoted, ??how was Jesus begotten??explain na, did he evolve or a mrs God gave birth to him?, tell me, d bible has given a perfect answer ur there strugglin wit anoda ideology, start explainin how Jesus was begotten,
All other things were created thru Jesus,while Jesus himself was created, got that,

^^^ One very simple question: Do you believe in the doctrine of the Trinity?

numo86:

y'all listen, Jesus is d son of God because he is creation of God, all of us are sons of God by creation and so is Jesus

Original no be photocopy abeg. We are not sons of God in the same token that Jesus is Son of God.

LagosShia:

they keep talking that God has given birth to a son.but i'm yet to know who Mrs.God is

I have something for you. I would have asked both of us to discuss this on another thread but let's just continue here.

Thelstan:

Original no be photocopy abeg. We are not sons of God in the same token that Jesus is Son of God.

we are in d sense that we were created by God, u doubt??, meanwhile i hope u know d angels too are sons of God as job 1:6 tells us, explain how d angels are sons of God too,

Enigma:

^^^ One very simple question: Do you believe in the doctrine of the Trinity?

D doctrine is not biblical, i wish i culd believe in it, but since its no where to be found in d hebrew and greek scriptures how do i beleive in it??,
Like i asked earlier, d angels too are sons of God as job 1:6 tells us, in what sense are they sons of God, give me a biblical answer

@LagosShia:

I will draw parallels between the Arabic language and the Hebrew sense of the meanings so that the point can be clearer. My source text is some theology lecture notes that I once studied and extracted information from.

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In the Hebrew sense, even as in the al-Qur’ān al-Karīm one term can have more than one sense (wajh), depending on its context and the occasion of its revelation (sabab nuzūlihī).

The word “son” (ibn) also has more than one sense. It can be literal, as a child is born from the union of a father and a mother. But it can also be symbolic or spiritual. For example, the Arabs say that a certain person is[i] ibn al-wa an[/i] or ibn al-balad, or even[i] ibn al-Nīl [/i][son of the nation or son of the country or even son of the Nile]. This does not mean that al-wa an or[i] al-balad[/i] or even al-Nīl took a wife and sired a child by her (ittakhadha ā iba wa-anjaba minhā waladan). It would be ridiculous to try to interpret these expressions in a literal way. I[b]n these expressions, the word ibn simply indicates a deep connection of a person’s identity with a place.[/b]

The Arabic language also uses the word "father" in a symbolic sense. For example, Abū Ammār is not called by that nickname because he literally has a son
named Ammār. Rather, this nickname refers symbolically to the fact that he is an engineer and that he has devoted much of his life to building up his people. The famous philospher and physician Abū al-Barakāt al-Baghdādī (d. 470 A.H. / 1077 A.D.) was probably so-called because he was a source of blessings in others’ lives.

The Arabic language also uses the word “brother” in a symbolic sense. When one person says to another person, “yā akhī,” this does not imply they were both carnally begotten from a single father. It means only an acknowledgment of their common humanity, and may or may not imply shared religious beliefs.

One very interesting expression in the Arabic language is the term “daughter of the lips” (bint al-shafa), which refers to the word which a person speaks. The expression “He did not say bint al-shafa,” means, “He did not say a word.” This does not mean that a person or his lips have taken a wife or sired a daughter, which is his word! Rather, a person’s word can be referred to symbolically as his “daughter” because a person’s word flows (tanbū u) from his being and reveals who he is.

Can the word ibn [/i]also be used in a religious context? Of course yes.

You may be familiar with the term “son of the road” ([i]ibn al-sabīl) (cf. Sūrat al-Baqara 177, 215; al-Nisā’ 36; al-Anfāl 41; al-Tawba 60; al-Isrā’ 26; al-Rūm 38; al- ashr 7). Of course the expression “ibn al-sabīl” does not mean literally that the road took a wife and sired a son by her! (anna al-sabīl ittakhadha ā iba wa-anjaba minhā waladan)! Rather, it means that this person is constantly travelling on the road, so that there is an intimate connection between him and the road, so that when you see him, you immediately think of the road. This is the symbolic meaning of “son of the road.”

The word ibn is also used symbolically or spiritually in al- adīth al- a ī . For example the Meccan Prophet said, “Of all people I am the closest to Jesus. The prophets are sons of one father by different mothers [literally: sons of concubines], and there is no prophet between Jesus and me.” (Anā awlā al-nās bi- Īsā. Al-a biyā’ abnā’ allāt wa- laysa bay1nī wa-bayna Īsā nabī.)

Does this mean that the mothers of prophets were literally CONCUBINES? God forbid! The Arabic expression abnā’ al- allāt means sons of one father by different mothers. But this hadith [/i]does not mean the prophets were literally begotten carnally by one father and many mothers.

Rather, this [i]adīth [/i]means that there exists a deep spiritual link [perhaps translate:[i] rab rū ī wa īd?] and common spiritual bond among the prophets because they all serve One God. Thus we see that the word ibn can be used to allude to a deep spiritual bond, without implying any literal, carnal begetting.

Having established the usage in the al-Qur’ān, let's look at the usage in the Gospels.

Kay 17:

I want to give Christianity a chance and with an open mind, i ask how do we know Jesus is the Son of God?

@Kay 17

On reflection, I want to treat the bolded at face value. If it is true that you want to give Christianity a chance my first advice would be this; try your best to shut out what you currently "know" or think about Christianity but instead get a Bible with the words of Jesus HIMSELF in red and read His own words through at least two or three times and think deeply about them.

After that you can then try and read the whole New Testament within the prism of your understanding of Jesus' own words and teaching; subsequently, you can then try and read the whole Bible (i.e. including the Old Testament) within the prism of your understanding of Jesus' own words and teaching.

WARNING: it is extremely important to ignore and disregard televangelists and even much most of what you read in a place like Nairaland. If you want to engage with Christianity intellectually, you will need to use classic works on historic Christianity and avoid beer parlour level descriptions, caricatures and ersatz nonsense of corrupt deceivers parading themselves as "pastors" and whatnot especially on TV.

numo86:


D doctrine is not biblical, i wish i culd believe in it, but since its no where to be found in d hebrew and greek scriptures how do i beleive in it??,
Like i asked earlier, d angels too are sons of God as job 1:6 tells us, in what sense are they sons of God, give me a biblical answer

In that case, since you believe that the doctrine of the Trinity is not biblical, there is nothing for us to debate other than to agree to disagree. For now what I can do is to refer you to material which shows how the Bible teaches the doctrine of the Trinity and how accordingly the doctrine is biblical. Bearing in mind the context of this thread you could start from this page 3 of an old thread though it is better to read the whole thread.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-497445.64.html

@Kay 17

I've just found an online version of some books of the NT with Jesus' words in red.

http://www.ccel.org/bible/phillips/JBPRed.htm

Enigma:

In that case, since you believe that the doctrine of the Trinity is not biblical, there is nothing for us to debate other than to agree to disagree. For now what I can do is to refer you to material which shows how the Bible teaches the doctrine of the Trinity and how accordingly the doctrine is biblical. Bearing in mind the context of this thread you could start from this page 3 of an old thread though it is better to read the whole thread.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-497445.64.html

, dont take me to a link, i want u to show me that word trinity in d bible and if any of Jesus disciples or early christians used that word and its meanin, if i ever believe in d trinity then it means i'l nt be able to explain why God who never had a beginin was concieved by a woman mary, i knw in that ur link they'l end up sayin d trinity doctrine is a mystery, a mystery formed by man, also answer how angels are called sons of God,

^^^ The link is a page on Nairaland, where I went on at length about the Trinity; I would rather not repeat myself here. If you don't want to look at it, I will be happy to leave things as they are now.

@LagosShia

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Similarly, the bible never used "son of God" in a literal or carnal sense but it used it in four symbolic senses.

(1) All human beings are children of God
All human beings are children of God. Acts 17:28-29 says: “We are all the offspring of God.” Similarly Luke 3:38 says that Adam, PBUH, was “the son of God,” and so all who are children of Adam (banī Ādam) are thus children of God (abnā’ Allāh).

This does not mean that we are God’s children literally, as though God had sired us (anjabanā). God forbid! Rather, it means symbolically that God loves us as a good father loves his children. God cares for us, provides for us, disciplines us, teaches us, feeds us, etc. This is one sense in which the Gospel uses the expression “son of God,” but is not the sense of this thread. Let's see the next one.

(2) The Gospel says that all who believe in al-Sayyid al-Masī (Jesus Christ) become children of God.
“To all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of a man, but of God.” (John 1:12-13)

This one has explicitly shown that it's not a literal or carnal meaning. Unlike the first category above where God has adopted everybody physically, this one denotes the ones that God adopted spiritually. Let's see the next one.

(3) Son of God as the King of Israel whom the children of Israel (banī Isrā’īl) awaited, according to the prophecies in the Tōrah.
In the Torah, King David, PBUH, wanted to build a house of worship to God but God did not allow him (1 Chron 17:11-14) and instead God promised that he will establish a kingdom for a descendant of David, and establish his throne FOREVER. This one whose throne is forever is not Solomon, because he died and was replaced by another king. It referred to another descendant of David who would come in the future and reign forever.

Because of this prophecy, during times of oppression, the children of Israel waited for God to send them a righteous king who would reign forever, just as many Muslims today await the Mahdī. They called this awaited king the Messiah, which in Hebrew means “the one whom God has anointed (masa ahū Allāh) with the authority to rule.” They also called him “the Son of God” because God had said to David, “I will be his father and he will be my son; I will not take my steadfast love from him.”

It is clear from these words that the words “son” and “father” in this verse do not indicate any literal sonship to God. The awaited Messiah was to be literally a descendant of David. Rather, this verse speaks of the awaited Messiah as God’s Son only in the symbolic sense that there is a special love between God and the awaited Messiah: “I will not take my steadfast love from him.”

The Gospel asserts that Jesus, to him be the glory, fulfilled the prophecy as the awaited Messiah, King of Israel. This means he was the awaited one, also known as the Son of God.

John 1:49 – Nathanael, one of the first of the awāriyyīn said to our Lord Jesus, “Rabbi, you are the Son of God! You are the King of Israel!”

Jn 11:27 – Martha, one of the awāriyyāt [/i]said to him, “Yes, Lord; I believe that you are the Messiah, the Son of God, he who is coming into the world.”

Jn 20:31 – “These are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in his name.”

In these Gospel verses we can see that the term “Son of God” means simply “the awaited Messiah, the King of Israel,” and nothing more. It certainly does not indicate any kind of literal sonship, God forbid. Now for the final usage of "Son of God".

(4) That which springs forth eternally from God IS the Son of God

This sense is very close to the meaning of the term “Word of God” ([i]kalām Allāh). As we noted above, in the Arabic language the word of a speaker can be called “the daughter of his lips.” The Qur’an and the Gospel assert that God’s kalām (word) is eternal (azalī) and uncreated, subsisting in God’s essence (qā’im bi-dhāt Allāh), and that God created all things through his kalām. Thence, both the Qur’an and the Gospel assert that al-Sayyid al-Masī (Jesus) can be called kalimat Allāh.

In several Gospel verses, the term “Son of God” and similar expressions were used by Jesus himself with a meaning which is close to (ma nā yaqrubu min) “That which springs forth eternally from God” (dhālika alladhī yanbu u azaliyyan min Allāh), just as a word springs forth from the speaker (mithlamā tanbu u kalima min al-mutakallim). Here are a few examples in which al-Sayyid al-Masī is speaking about himself:

John 10:30-38 – He said, “I and the Father are one.” The Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them… “Do you say of him whom the Father
consecrated and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?… The Father is in me and I am in the Father.”

John 14:9 – “Whoever has seen me has seen the Father.”

John 17:5 – “Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory which I had with you before the creation of the world.”

John 8:58 – “Truly, truly I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

John 5:21-23 “As the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will. The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.”

In these verses the symbolism of Son and Father is like the relationship of a word to a speaker, as in the Arabic expression “daughter of the lips” (bint al-shafa). God’s word springs forth eternally from God and reveals to us the divine Speaker from whom it springs forth. God’s kalām [/i]cannot be separated from God, but rather it subsists eternally in God ([i]yaqūmu azaliyyan bi-Allāh). Everything God creates, and everything God does in the universe, he does through his word (kalām). To honor God’s kalām [/i]is to honor God himself.

When any prophet speaks the words of God, he can say, “Whoever has heard me has heard my Lord.”

The Gospel asserts that in the person of [i]al-Sayyid al-Masī God’s kalām [/i]has become visible [/b]to humankind ([i]al-bashariyya).

Thus [b]only he [/b]can say, to him be glory, “[b]Whoever has seen me has seen the Father.”

numo86:


we are in d sense that we were created by God, u doubt??, meanwhile i hope u know d angels too are sons of God as job 1:6 tells us, explain how d angels are sons of God too,

Everybody as his creation, we are sons of God in the sense [1] above. Physically adopted.

Angels and those who believe in Christ, are his sons in sense [2] above. Spiritually adopted.

Sense [3] is exclusive to Jesus in his physical nature as the promised Messiah sent to the Jews.

Sense [4] is also exclusive to Jesus as the eternal Word that continuously proceeds from the Father.

Enigma:

^^^ Jesus is not only the Son of God; He is God.

Thread locked!

But this is logical. Joseph didnt touch marry. And holy angels claims the pregnancy is from heaven. From God. Jesus has no earthly father. So, God is his father. Why cant you read and understand simple logic? Or you are just a bigot.
There is nothing you can do to anti-christ. No matter if they know the truth, they will still deny it.

What is hard to understand there? Is anybody saying God slept with Mary ? No, but your mud brain wont understand simple things.

Jesus is the son of God just as we humans are also the sons and daughters of God. Jesus and every son of God are also Gods. I can't remember the part of the bible that adds credence to this assertion.

This argument would never end

Everything about that synthetic Xtian religion is offensive approximations principles

they earlier they realize d beter dat' Sonship to God is idolatrous and incorrigible

Can a mortal man defend God? We don't have interest in their religion let this Muslim brothers let us be