@Atanda,
Gbam! Believe what suits you. Mohammed is a fake prophet, he only tried to promote arabs values and culture. His history was not Godly.

Where are the xtains? Its a shame if you can't defend your faith. Come out please

[b]@Thelstan

if you review my thread :"Can God Have A Son?" properly, you will definitely see that the question is not whether or not Jesus is a "son of God".the question has to do whether or not he is "the only begotten son of God"."begotten" means "not made/created".this word "begotten" sends a literal meaning and not a figurative one.it would mean that Jesus is God's son like you are your father's and mother's son and i am also.

if we are talking in the figurative sense that all of us are figuratively "sons" of God,then that is understandable even though we muslims prefer not to use the word "son" even in the figurative sense to describe ourselves in relation to almighty God.actually this word "son" is avoided altogether by muslims in describing themselves as "sons of God" because the christians and trinitarians particularly who have given God a literal son (Jesus) who is said to have been "begotten" and "not made" have made the figurative expression of "son of God" infamous in the eyes of muslims.

now going into the bible itself we find many sons of God in the figurative sense.and in the new testament itself too,we read the figurative meaning of "son of God":

"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God".(Roman 8:14)

when examining the bible closely,we also see that in fact Jesus is not a "begotten son of God" as the christians want us to believe and try to project a literal meaning.the word "begotten" is an interpolation.it is a word added by bible authors and editors to serve their doctrines that make Jesus divine.it is unfortunate that christians do not follow what the bible teaches but the bible has to follow what christians believe.these bible authors and editors backed by doctors in religion have dropped the word "begotten" from the bible when they published the Revised Standard Version of the King James Bible.so as we can see,the literal meaning of the term "son of God" refering to Jesus,who is said to have being "begotten" is not supported in the bible at all.it is supported in the councils of nicea and in the minds of christians that smuggled it into the bible and added the word "begotten".the word "begotten" as i tried to explain is an interpolation.it is not found in the bible at all when bible manuscripts are examined.the RSV has dropped the word.as for the other versions of the bible that maintain the word "begotten",they continue to deceive their followers that Jesus is a "sepcial son of God" and not a figurative one but a literal one.

you can further review my thread:"Can God Have A Son?":

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-811919.0.html[/b]

The problem is that the limited man wants to think like the unlimited God. The limited man wants to think for and question the unlimited and all knowing God that created him thereby ending up contradicting himself or confusing himself more. The limited man will ask a question that How can God have a Son without intercourse forgetting that simply a God that created everything from nothing can likewise do anything beyond human comprehension. The limited man also will ask the unlimited God that why can a Man claim he died and rose up the third day, forgetting that the unlimited God made the death Himself for a purpose. So things begins to get difficult when the creation begins to tell the creator that HE doesn't know how to create and he (creation) will teach the creator some rudiments of creation.
SO if the Unlimited God decides to come to the world He created like, any how then the limited man should know its for a purpose. If the purpose is only questioned without looking at what happened then the truth will not be established by the limited man, because he will try to change the truth from generation to generation because he is trying to tell the Unlimited God that, things cant just happen like that, that he cant believe until he knows the reason and wants to see the processes himself.
So dear friends no matter how you try to convince man, man will not believe it because he wants to see it himself and still question it himself. Even the limited man believes there is no God because he simply do not see Him,  so he will say why should i believe what does not exist that life is a process driven by some forces,  . So what created the processes and the forces,  man will think again and comes with logics and theories and he will end up at the start-up point again. God is just God, He has chooses to use the foolish things of this world to confound the Wise and in the wisdom of the wise exposes there foolishness.

Until your minds become like those of little children, you shall not see the kingdom of God.

When you want to become wise before God, you start to ask such questions, But God uses

the foolish things to confound the wise. The things of God are not for intellectual fools, they are for

the humble spiritual.

just as we don't have answers to life's mysteries with the argument of whether there is God or И̣̣̣̥o God or arguments over the various religions & beliefs,why can't we simply start with loving our neighbours as we do ourselves and forget about whether the prophet Mohammed is yoruba or Jesus Christ is Efik , 4 d records I'm a christian but I get pissed off by the antics of christians & muslims on issues that don't matter

@op
HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT, 2DAY IS THE 30th OF NOVEMBER 2011?

Histories can be changed by man, but the facts behind the histories can never be change.-Anonymous

One man can tell a lie about his history, but can not fool his household about his history.-Anonymous

Errrm,insted of saying hes the son of god you can say he is the messiah of the jews,the mediator between god and man,he set an example of how we shud live providing an example,is that better?

I can see that I have wasted precious time on this thread.

People will only believe whatever they want to.

i.chuka:

@op
HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT, 2DAY IS THE 30th OF NOVEMBER 2011?

You only know that 2day is 30th of November because you created the calender to have specific identification of the Days you didn't created and existed before you. So you created means of identifying those days but did you create the days? No. Because you can not differentiate each days without the numbers you (man) put there. Its impossible or do you know the difference btw 1st or 2nd Dec 2011. The difference is that 1st is  thursday and 2nd is  Friday

Thelstan:

I can see that I have wasted precious time on this thread.

People will only believe whatever they want to.

No you have not wasted time educating people about what you know. But they have wasted their time in learning what they should have Known.

OP: Get your head examined!

I LOVE JESUS BUT I HAVE PROOF THAT HE WAS MESSENGER OF GOD, NOT THE GOD
Without a doubt, you have often heard the claim that Jesus is God, the second person in the "Holy trinity." However, the very Bible which is used as a basis for knowledge about Jesus and as the basis for doctrine within Christianity clearly belies this claim. We urge you to consult your own Bible and verify that the following conclusions are not drawn out of context:

1. God is All Knowing, but Jesus was not
When speaking of the day of judgment, Jesus clearly gave evidence of a limitation on his knowledge when he said, "but of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the son, but the Father." Mark 13:32, and Matt 24:36. But God knows all. His knowledge is without any limitations. That Jesus, of his own admission, did not know when the day of judgment would be, is clear proof that Jesus is not all-knowing, and that Jesus is therefore not God.

2. God is All Powerful, but Jesus was not
While Jesus performed many miracles, he himself admitted that the power he had was not his own but was derived from God when he said, "Verily, verily I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do, " St. John 5:19. Again he said, "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me." St. John 5:30. But God is not only all-powerful, He is also the source of all power and authority. That Jesus, of his own admission, could do nothing on his own is clear proof that Jesus is not all-powerful, and that therefore Jesus is not God.

3. God does not have a God, but Jesus did have a God.
God is the ultimate judge and refuge for all, and He does not call upon nor pray to any others. But Jesus acknowledged that there was one whom he worshipped and to whom he prayed when he said, "l ascend unto my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God." St. John 20:17. He is also reported to have cried out while on the cross, "My God, my God why hast thou forsaken me?" Matt 27:46. If Jesus were God, then couldn't this be read, "Myself, myself why hast thou forsaken me?" Would that not be pure nonsense? When Jesus prayed the Lord's prayer (Luke 11:2-4), was he praying to himself? When in the garden of Gethsemane he prayed, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: Nevertheless not as I will but as thou wilt." Matt 26:36-39. Was Jesus praying to himself? That Jesus, of his own admission and by his own actions, acknowledged, worshipped, and prayed to another being as God is clear proof that Jesus himself is not God.

4. God is an invisible spirit, but Jesus was flesh and blood
While thousands saw Jesus and heard his voice, Jesus himself said that this could not be done with God when he said. "No man hath seen God at any time." St. John 1:18. '"Ye have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His shape." St. John 5:37. He also said in St. John 4:24. "God is a spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." That Jesus would say that no one had seen or heard God at any time, while his followers both saw and heard him, is clear proof that Jesus was not God.

5. No one is greater than God and no one can direct Him but Jesus acknowledged someone greater than himself whose will was distinct from his own.
Perhaps the clearest indication we have that Jesus and God are not equal, and therefore not one and the same, come again from the mouth of Jesus himself who said in St. John 14:28, "My Father is greater than I." When someone referred to him as good master in Matt 19:17, Jesus responded, "Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God, " Furthermore, Jesus drew clear distinctions between himself and God when he said, "I proceeded forth and came from God, neither came I of myself but He sent me." St. John 8:42. Jesus gave clear evidence of his subordination to God, rather than his equality with God,when he said in Luke 22:42, "not my will but thine be done" and in St. John 5:30, "I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father which hath sent me." That Jesus would admit that he did not come into the world on his own initiative but was directed to do so, that he would acknowledge another being as greater than himself, and that he would negate his own will in deference to affirming the will of another, give clear proof that Jesus is not the Supreme One and therefore Jesus is not God.

Conclusion
The Church recognizes the Bible as the primary source of knowledge about God and Jesus. But since the Bible makes it clear that Jesus is not the Supreme Being and the Supreme Being is not Jesus, upon what basis have you come to believe otherwise?

My brother or sister, the belief that the Supreme Being is a Trinity is false and completely inconsistent with the words of Jesus as presented in the Bible. God is one, not three. He is a perfect unity.

If you are interested in the truth about God and your relationship to Him, we invite you to investigate the religion of Islam by studying the QURAN as whole.

1- The concept of God: in Islam God is
SURA 112. Ikhlas, or Purity (of Faith)
{1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
3. He begetts not, nor is He begotten;
4. And there is none like unto Him.}
God is one is clear non controversial sentence. No one can claim that he understood from reading the above chapter that God is 5 or 3.
Question number one: in the canonical bibles do you have clear non controversial sentence that states that God is three?
2-Jesus in the Quran is messenger
{And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of God (sent) to you, confirming the law ( Tawrat which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of an messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad. But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, This is evident sorcery!} Saf 6
The above verse states very clearly the position of Jesus. No one can claim that he understands (I am the messenger of God) as he is saying he was God himself.
Question number two: in the canonical bibles do you have clear non controversial sentence that state that Jesus is God?
Question number three: in the canonical bibles do you have clear non controversial sentence that state that Jesus is the biological son God?
Question number four: in the canonical bibles do you have clear non controversial sentence by which Jesus said: I am the son of God therefore worship me?
Question number five: in the canonical bibles do you have clear non controversial sentence by which Jesus said: I am the son of God therefore worship me?
Question number sex: in the canonical bibles do you have clear non controversial sentence by which Jesus said: I am the part of God therefore worship me?
Question number seven: in the canonical bibles do you have clear non controversial sentence by which Jesus said: I am the messenger of God therefore believe in me?
I will answer the seventh question for you. The bibles are loaded with so many verses stating that Jesus is a Prophet sent by God.
He was one prophet in a chain of prophets that God sent to humanity.
{The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah the which We have sent by inspiration to you and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that you should remain steadfast in Religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than God, hard is the (way) to which you call them. God chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him)}Shura 13
For the other 6 questions you have only two answers
1- Yes Jesus is God or his son no matter what. In this case according to the Quran you are practicing polytheism.
{God forgives not that partners should be set up with him; but he forgives anything else, to whom he pleases; to set up partners with God is to devise a sin most heinous indeed.} Nisa 48

2- No Jesus is messenger as the bible clearly states. In this case according to the Quran you are practicing Islam but not the one revealed to Mohammed but the one reveled to Jesus.
{And behold I inspired the disciples to have faith in me and mine messenger (Jesus): they said, we have faith, and do you bear witness that we bow to God as Muslims.} Maeda 111
If your reference is the canonical bibles only not tradition. Then you are from the people of the book whom Quran addressed
{Say: O people of the book come to common terms as between us and you: that we worship none but God; that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, lord and patrons other than God. if then they turn back, say you: bear witness that we are Muslims (bowing to God's will)}. Al Umran 41
And you will be among those whom God addressed as believers calling them to believe in his last messenger (Prophet Mohammed).
{O you who believe in God , believe in God and his messenger, and the scripture which he has been sent to his messenger and the scripture which he sent to those before (messenger). any who denies God, his angels, his books, his messengers, and the day of judgment, has gone far, far astray.} Nisa 136

afta the baptism at river jordan,d sky shone bright and a voice came forth from it saying 'this is my beloved son in whom i am well pleased'

I dont knnow what is wrong with christians as they fail to realise the truth. How can jesus be son of God and also God? Hu? This argument will keep on till they realise. Okay, mary gave birth to Jesus, is it God who impregnated Mary, and how can someone born on man be also referred to as God(jesus)? Someone pls get me clear

Christianity is the most confusing and deceptive religion on earth.Im glad i have realized the lies in it and come out of that mess.

GOD did not give birth to anyone as that is impossible,Jesus is GODS BEGOTTEN SON MEANING HE(GOD)ACCEPTED Jesus and called him son because Jesus accepted an assignment in which everyone in heaven refused.

brainpulse:

Histories can be changed by man, but the facts behind the histories can never be change.-Anonymous

One man can tell a lie about his history, but can not fool his household about his history.-Anonymous

History is tricky business because it is written by scholars paid by the victorious side of a conflict.

U want 2 rly knw if jesus christ is d son of God abi ?go and ask ur miserable father (devil).he has a perfect answa 4 dat quest.ASSHOLE.

I think we can answer the question by also asking,'' who is Jesus' father ? Certainly not Joseph!!! And who is Jesus' mother? How do we know? We check the source of the information-the Bible! I don't intend to attract any religious animosity and will just like to stop here.

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@brainpulse.
The reason why 2day is the 30th of November 2011,is also the same reason Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
And just as there's no difference between 1th and 2th of Dec. 2011,there's no difference between God and the Son of God

I dont knnow what is wrong with christians as they fail to realise the truth. How can jesus be son of God and also God? Hu? This argument will keep on till they realise. Okay, mary gave birth to Jesus, is it God who impregnated Mary, and how can someone born on man be also referred to as God(jesus)? Someone pls get me clear

Christians wont realise this the way muslims will not realize mohammed is not a messager of allah, but another tool of the devil.

TB josua is even better than mohammed.

What is so special about the creation of jesus?
he had no father, who was adam's father? He had mother mary, who was adam's mother, who was eve's mother?

The Lord JESUS CHRIST is The Son of GOD, and GOD Himself. - "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." - Isa 9:6.  This is The Lord GOD's declaration / prophecy through the prophet Isaiah approx. 700 years before the Lord came in the flesh to fulfill the scriptures.  HIS name is Emmanuel = GOD with us.

As human beings with limited understanding and sin tainted minds, we cannot without GOD's mercy and opening of the understanding even begin to comprehend The infinite, eternal excellency and majesty of The Lord GOD - "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." - 1 John 5:7  

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." - John 1:1, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." -John 1:14  

We ought to approach GOD in fear and in humility because the prophecy shall be fulfilled - "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." - Rev 1:7-8

@ poster
Nice thread and good writes up huuummmmm, bt the truth is

"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God." (1 Corinthians 1:18).

"For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?" (1 Corinthians 1:19-20).

I pray may you all av encounter,

"For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?" (1 Corinthians 1:19-20).

Waoooooo, the bible has every answers. What a perfect one.

Thread closed.

Question answered!

Eeverybody go home.

@ op, u must be an anti christ. i can see u want to create boko haram sect on nairaland.

The Jesus most christians call on is the Jesus they have moulded. The Jesus Paul told them to worship. Completely twisting the teachings and sayings of Jesus. So much so that Paul had to say you must believe in his trinity doctrine to be a follower of his new found Jesus. Jesus NEVER mentioned Trinity. It is Paul who conjured such nonsense. Perhaps if christians started opening their heads and minds, they will reason as to why Paul's teachings and letters have formed the basis of most of their believe rather than words of Jesus himself.