^^^ OK.

Yes typical of a xtian. how are you gonna convince me to convert if you can no give me a concrete evidence and better proof of your religion?

^^^ And you were talking of "insult" earlier.

You already know everything and have your interpretation of the passage; you say my interpretation has no meaning, I say OK. Yet you are still making gra gra; why are you 'gragravating' the matter? Is everything by force with you people? I say "you win", you are still unhappy and you want to force me to continue! Na wa o.

Even when we Christians say "OK we hear you", you Moslems, evangelical/militant/etc atheists and anti-Christian "intellectuals" are never satisfied. Don't worry we will keep praying for you all to find that which you are all seeking.

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The simplest way to know if it true Jesus is son of God is that you confess and believe that he died on the cross for your sin.Accept Him to be Lord of your Life truly for 6months and attend bible believing fellowship.Study the bible 4hrs daily.Thereafter,come back here to let us know your discovery.

This makes a lot of sense. I have to first of all brainwash myself so that I can believe. I have to ingest the mind-altering drug first, then the illusions and delusions will follow.
Right on buddy. You are a genuis.

@Enigma I never insult you bro and i pray Almighty Allah show you the right part Amin

Enigma:



Now let's do a little exercise in logic and comprehension. Here:

Matthew 16:13-17


In summary this is what the blue words reveal Jesus as saying: . . . the Son of Man is . . . the Son of the Living God . . . revealed . . . by my Father in heaven.

Quantitative reasoning at its height. Damn! Well verbally written.

Christ is confirmed as a good teacher and not SON OF GOD. Just watch

Who is disproving what the Bible said about Jesus Christ?
There is no dought that Jesus is God in flesh.[color=#000099][/color]

^^ and the God is so ridicule that he was slapped and killed by those he created with his hand?

'And the spirit of god overshadowed her'. Hmmm, Sound familiar

I won't wast my time to try to convince anybody about the personality of Christ. For everything about it is very clear. He is indeed "God in human form" As he said "I and my father are one" No one can separate them.

^^ and your God inhuman was beaten, mollest, Killed and you are worshiping a weakened God

That is the essence of life. Nothing goes for nothing. What plan of salvation does Mohamed has for salvation.
Man Failed from  the glory and God set a plan for mans redemption hence the reason Christ came. God planned to come in Human form to pay the prise of sin for Human. Now any man that put his faith and accept Christ surferring will have his sin forgiven since Christ has paid the price for him.

John 3:16  For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Only God has power and qualification to do that. Because God will punish every sin. ie no sin will go unpunished.
But because God created man and want to redeem man he made provision for man's salvation he came down hemself to pay the price for man. This is so wonderful. We all are witnesses to this that as soon as you acknowledge this something special will happen to you. you will be redeemed.


This sounds very logical and real, anything outside this is manipulation.

That is why Bible said.

John 1:10  He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
John 1:11  He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
John 1:12  But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
John 1:13  Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
John 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

So, that why Jesus was also called the lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world.

John 10:7  Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
John 10:8  All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
John 10:9  I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
John 10:10  The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
John 10:11  I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
John 10:12  But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.

So, God planned this death of Christ even before Noah time (More than 7000 year ago). We call it sacrifice, it is not ordinary death; and it has to be dearth on the cross so he can redeem man (Those that believe on HIM) from every course. for it is written course is he that is hung on the cross.

Ozichim:


So, God planned this death of Christ even before Noah time (More than 7000 year ago). We call it sacrifice, it is not ordinary death; and it has to be dearth on the cross so he can redeem man (Those that believe on HIM) from every course. for it is written course is he that is hung on the cross.

this is the part that amazes me the most. You prepare a guy for 7,000 years for a suicide mission, then when the time comes he gets cold feet and starts wimping and crying all over the garden of Gethsame-GOD LET THIS CUP PASS FROM ME, with tears and cattarh flowing all over the place.
then finally when apprehended and hung, he dies in the most dishonourable way ever crying MY GOD MY GOD! WHY HAVE THOU FORSAKEN ME?
Shame on you! Even Boko haram can do better than this. At least their last words is GOD IS GREAT

Note that Jesus Christ was human when He was on earth. infact that is why blood even has to comeout. He choose to be in human form. Anybody that should be redeem man ie pay the banality for sin has to be human. so that is why he has to be human so he will also be treated as man and feel pain like human.

Even now we know that God can be angry or happy, remember we are made in Gods Image.
He was also tempted like human. He was also burn by human.

Just believe it, He took human form so as to qualify to pay for human sin. So those human feeling were not removed otherwise The devil may have complained. Sin has to be punished that is why the Devil will and all sinners will definite and legitimately be punished for ever in hell.

You that reading, this is the Christian message. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved.

Remember that if a Judge pardon an offender and ask him to go free, if the offender refuse the pardon, then he will have to serve the judgment (Which can be either dearth or some years in reason).

Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and
brethren, what shall we do?
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Remember that he rose again from the dearth.
It is easier to die than to rise from the dearth. there is no record of such before.

So Jesus Christ has defeated death hence should be trusted to deliver man from the second death. This qualify Him to be the way, the truth and the life.

John 10:24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
John 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
John 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.



1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1 Corinthians 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
1 Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
1 Corinthians 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
1 Corinthians 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
1 Corinthians 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
1 Corinthians 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
1 Corinthians 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.


1 Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
1 Corinthians 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
1 Corinthians 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
1 Corinthians 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
1 Corinthians 1:31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

So, you see Christ is the chief Conner stone. Pls. do not take this likely, give your life to Christ while your are alive. Hell and heaven is real.

Many have died and came back to life to testify that all that Christ said are correct and many has seen hell.
Many has seen Christ. So you see, we are not claiming anything, we are sure of what be believe.

Ozichim:

Note that Jesus Christ was human when He was on earth. infact that is why blood even has to comeout. He choose to be in human form. Anybody that should be redeem man ie pay the banality for sin has to be human. so that is why he has to be human so he will also be treated as man and feel pain like human.
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Even now we know that God can be angry or happy, remember we are made in Gods Image.
He was also tempted like human. He was also burn by human.

Just believe it, He took human form so as to qualify to pay for human sin. So those human feeling were not removed otherwise The devil may have complained. Sin has to be punished that is why the Devil will and all sinners will definite and legitimately be punished for ever in hell.

You that reading, this is the Christian message. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved.

Remember that if a Judge pardon an offender and ask him to go free, if the offender refuse the pardon, then he will have to serve the judgment (Which can be either dearth or some years in reason).

Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and
brethren, what shall we do?
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Remember that he rose again from the dearth.
It is easier to die than to rise from the dearth. there is no record of such before.

So Jesus Christ has defeated death hence should be trusted to deliver man from the second death. This qualify Him to be the way, the truth and the life.

John 10:24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
John 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
John 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.



1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1 Corinthians 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
1 Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
1 Corinthians 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
1 Corinthians 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
1 Corinthians 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
1 Corinthians 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
1 Corinthians 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.


1 Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
1 Corinthians 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
1 Corinthians 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
1 Corinthians 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
1 Corinthians 1:31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

So, you see Christ is the chief Conner stone. Pls. do not take this likely, give your life to Christ while your are alive. Hell and heaven is real.

Many have died and came back to life to testify that all that Christ said are correct and many has seen hell.
Many has seen Christ. So you see, we are not claiming anything, we are sure of what be believe.

Stories, stories, stories. The point is, the guy died a coward. Unbefitting for a guy who was nutured for 7,000 years for this mission. And when the time came he started crying, daddy, daddy i dont want to do again. Shame on you all

There is nothing hidden in the Bible.
Christ want everybody to know the kind of painful, sorrowful and shameful death Christ paid for us.

From this you can see why God will turn his back to anybody that failed to accept Christ as his lord and savior. No matter how much the person cry. Life eternity in hell is not what somebody can imagine. it should be terrible.

I don't know what you mean by "coward" even when Christ was arrested he was still forgiving a sinner his sin. He was still healing the

Matthew 26:51  And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear.
Matthew 26:52  Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
Matthew 26:53   Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
Matthew 26:54  But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

John 18:3  Judas then, having received a band of men and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons.
John 18:4  Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye?
John 18:5  They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.
John 18:6  As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.
John 18:7  Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth.
John 18:8  Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way:

John 18:10  Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus.

Luke 22:49  When they which were about him saw what would follow, they said unto him, Lord, shall we smite with the sword?
Luke 22:50  And one of them smote the servant of the high priest, and cut off his right ear.
Luke 22:51  And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him.
Luke 22:52  Then Jesus said unto the chief priests, and captains of the temple, and the elders, which were come to him, Be ye come out, as against a thief, with swords and staves?


So, you see I don't understand what you mean by coward? Even when Christ was arrested he was still in Charge.
Everything that happened was for purpose ie God want it that way.

Seeing the account of his arrest you will see bravery and in fact it is more than bravery; because if you read it all through you notice that Christ was complete in charge.

You don't fight for Christian God. Christian God is a consuming fire. It is a fake and weakling god you can fight for. Mountings tremble before our God.

Luke 23:33  And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left.
Luke 23:34  Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
Luke 23:39  And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.
Luke 23:40  But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
Luke 23:41  And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
Luke 23:42  And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
Luke 23:43  And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Luke 23:44  And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.
Luke 23:45  And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.

Pls. you may not have such opportunity like the thief nailed on the cross. Accept Christ before it is too late.
As I said Christ was in charge all through.

I'm not trying to convince you, What I'm doing was to explain things so you will not be ignorant of any. So that if you found your self in Hell fire you will definitely blame your self. Turn to Christ now.

So, you are ignorant to call it cowardice.
But as for Shamfullness, is it not enough shame for God to even take human flesh and live in this earth with his creatures?
God want the sacrifice to be complete and well done.
See the things involved in the dearth (They are all deliberate):
Pain
Sorrow
Shame
Course

Would you call a soldier shot in the back while running away an hero or the coward that he is? Why was he crying for god to avert this horrible faith? Why was he sad that he had been forsaken when he had agreed to this contract before? The only arguement you can make its that he was just merly acting for the poeple. That the whole crucifixtion was make believe. That he neva even felt any pain while of the cross. It was all a sham. The other alternative is to accept the obvios point that the guy was a shameless, gutless coward.

You see, i dont need the blood of monkey or a coward guy to for my salvation.

I don't know your stand. Are you Muslim or Hindu or OOO or watch tower or eckanker etc.

Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

John 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

John 8:46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
Even the Muslims acknowledge that Jesus new no sin. Hence he is holy. Note that only God is holy.

You seems to be confused, are you saying that He (Jesus) shouldn't have let people know that the crucifixion experience was painful. What are you saying. that will be a lie. However, I told you that for the sacrifice to be accepted, the Sacrifice object has to be a man and no man was qualified to pay the price for human race.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

God is holy and when Christ was bearing the sin of the world, God has to forsake him for that moment just as God will forsake any sinful man even today.
All these were recorded for human to bear witness and for proper understanding.
As I told you before, all those cries and agony and exclamations are all for the pain and heart breaking experience of the cross; don't let me repeat my self.

You can consult your dictionary for the word coward. A coward will run away when the attackers approach, A coward will not go by himself to submit to his arresters and even stop his disciples from fighting. A coward will not be healing and forgiving his killers even while they are killing him. Check the word crucifixion in the dictionary. God choose to do it this way.

But the Sacrifice for human redemption must be complete, it is God's very serious project.

If you have another question on christian belief you can ask, else stop repeating your self.
off-couse you can believe what you want, but it doesn't change the truth.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Look for black goat while it is day. Repent before it is too late.

am tired of your circular arguements. Good luck with your blood sacrifice by yourLamb chicken of god

One thing is Important. It is weather one accepts our Lord Jesus as His/her lord and Savior that matters.

Matthew 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Luke 9:25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?

So, Pls. I really wish you accept Jesus into your life.
I wish you God's favor in Jesus name Amen!

^^^ "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." - John 6:44 

“So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of GOD.” - Rom 10:17

So what guarantee or proof do we have that the bible is the word of God?

What does God need a son for? Nothing except to inherit his properties.

^^^ but will God expire, that he would need a Son?

This thread really got me Laughing and Rolling on the floor, Please let's continue this discussion eventhough its as old as 10month ago because I may have to choose a Religion to follow, the Xtians here are not convincing Me enough and My Elder Sister wants me to become a Xtian. I will make a choice if I get a convincing response to the Question. Thank you all in anticipation for more.

^^^ Not sure they have anything to convince you with

Chai! I missed this thread when it was still burning.

@Adamo84:

by Adamo84(m): 12:34pm On Nov 29
This thread really got me Laughing and Rolling on the floor, Please let's continue this discussion eventhough its as old as 10month ago because I may have to choose a Religion to follow, the Xtians here are not convincing Me enough and My Elder Sister wants me to become a Xtian. I will make a choice if I get a convincing response to the Question. Thank you all in anticipation for more.

you should invite anti, your elder sister to this thread. she should help the christians on this thread.

i am certain, she herself does not have an answer. are your parents christians, too? if they are not, i wonder why anti is a christian and wants you to be one? if they are, i think they may also help here.

me personally pity the christians of nairaland, of the world, too. many a times, the muslims have offered themselves as possible converts to christianity if the christians could tell us from the 'maybe' lips of Jesus in the Bibles where Jesus said he is God or all sincere and true worship belongs to him or where he is the actual son of God without any doubt or even that any of the 4 gospels is the gospel Jesus preached or Jesus was sent to the world and not just his Jewish nations or he is the only way to God for mankind, starting from Adam onward. you see, we give plenty of opportunities and many ways for the christians and chrstianity from their Bibles to try to put out the Light of Islam, guiding mankind from darkness to Light, plainly. i know the christians like to say they are extension of judaism. Yet the jews reject them and their religion, calling them gentiles as they call us all. the christian calls muslims infidels. but both the jews and christians conveniently forget that God gave Guidance to Noah and he was neither Jew nor Christian. Many people have been leaders of guidance, guiding some from their communities while majority refused guidance. we have the same here, today. islam, the true guidance is less than 30% of the world population, making it a non majority. there is telling sign when the christians have not seized on any of these paths of opportunity to win souls of muslims for christ.

they cant even prove who the 'that prophet' is when neither Jesus nor his cousin John was. Yet this that prophet must come. So is the another comforter who would lead to all things, including what should be relevant till end of time of the things Jesus led to and what Jesus did not lead to because he was dealing with community of people with little faith, not sufficient to absorb all. it is this another comforter who will correct lies that will be prevalent upon his arrival to the guiding leadership. another comforter means there was at least one comforter before. what work does a comforter? what is the role of comforter?

another comforter who will hear The Speech of God and repeat it, not just report it, but literally repeat it, exactly. that cant be a ghost or unseen, but seen, a human since his audience are to be seen, humans.


Read the Quran. Invite anti when she and all christians fail to answer the very simple and direct question you asked. or is theirs an author of confusion, when they say God is not The Author of confusion? read the bibles and find out and why is there no single bible accepted to the who christian world? that should tell you something.

I pray to God who creates that you and anti will find true guidance. if parents are not muslims, they too. Amin.

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For God so love the world that He gave his only BEGOTTEN son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. Rubbish. Randy christian god. cant keep it in his pants. cant save his creation by saying 'be' and it is. He has to come down and be humiliated by his own creation and then be murdered. But tell me when he was dead, who was ruling the kingdom? My Lord never dies. And for those ignoramuses claiming that they don't fight for their lord, it appears they have never read the old testament, or the history of the crusades. Read the story of Israel that battled with the christian god and made it out alive. You cant even see my lord on this earth, talkless of battling with him. If you like don't repent your ways and follow the only path to salvation i.e. Muhammad (SAW), you are the only one that would be held accountable for what you do