DivideUs:

on the contrary, you not able to prove that he is, is his proof. You should be able to sell your product

What more do you still want because you will still ask? Does God eats, Does He goes to toilet, Does He sleeps, etc.

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/son-of-man.html
third link

First of all, even if the phrase “Son of Man” is a reference to Jesus' humanity, it is not a denial of His deity. By becoming a man, Jesus did not cease being God. The incarnation of Christ did not involve the subtraction of deity, but the addition of humanity. Jesus clearly claimed to be God on many occasions (Matthew 16:16,17; John 8:58; 10:30). But in addition to being divine, He was also human (see Philippians 2:6-. He had two natures (divine and human) conjoined in one person.

Further, Scripture indicates that Jesus was not denying His deity by referring to Himself as the Son of Man. In fact, it is highly revealing that the term “Son of Man” is used in Scripture in contexts of Christ's deity. For example, the Bible says that only God can forgive sins (Isaiah 43:25; Mark 2:7). But as the “Son of Man,” Jesus had the power to forgive sins (Mark 2:10). Likewise, Christ will return to Earth as the “Son of Man” in clouds of glory to reign on Earth (Matthew 26:63-64). In this passage, Jesus is citing Daniel 7:13 where the Messiah is described as the "Ancient of Days," a phrase used to indicate His deity (cf. Daniel 7:9).

Further, when Jesus was asked by the high priest whether He was the “Son of God” (Matthew 26:63), He responded affirmatively, declaring that He was the “Son of Man” who would come in power and great glory (verse 64). This indicated that Jesus Himself used the phrase “Son of Man” to indicate His deity as the Son of God.

Finally, the phrase “Son of Man” also emphasizes who Jesus is in relation to His incarnation and His work of salvation. In the Old Testament (Leviticus 25:25-26, 48-49; Ruth 2:20), the next of kin (one related by blood) always functioned as the "kinsman-redeemer" of a family member who needed redemption from jail. Jesus became related to us “by blood” (that is, He became a man) so He could function as our Kinsman-Redeemer and rescue us from sin.

Brainpulse, without reading from the link above. Some of us already know these facts. I am suprize to see it on the internet.

If anybody circulate those things, they will attempt to kill him. I know them very well, cuz I was part of them b4

Jesus is not God’s Son in the sense of a human father and a son. God did not get married and have a son. God did not mate with Mary and, together with her, produce a son. Jesus is God’s Son in the sense that He is God made manifest in human form (John 1:1, 14). Jesus is God's Son in that He was conceived in Mary by the Holy Spirit. Luke 1:35 declares, “The angel answered, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.’”

During His trial before the Jewish leaders, the High Priest demanded of Jesus, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God” (Matthew 26:63). “’Yes, it is as you say,’ Jesus replied. ‘But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven’” (Matthew 26:64). The Jewish leaders responded by accusing Jesus of blasphemy (Matthew 26:65-66). Later, before Pontius Pilate, “The Jews insisted, ‘We have a law, and according to that law He must die, because He claimed to be the Son of God’” (John 19:7). Why would His claiming to be the Son of God be considered blasphemy and be worthy of a death sentence? The Jewish leaders understood exactly what Jesus meant by the phrase “Son of God.” To be the Son of God is to be of the same nature as God. The Son of God is “of God.” The claim to be of the same nature as God—to in fact be God—was blasphemy to the Jewish leaders; therefore, they demanded Jesus’ death, in keeping with Leviticus 24:15. Hebrews 1:3 expresses this very clearly, “The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His being.”

Another example can be found in John 17:12 where Judas is described as the “son of perdition.” John 6:71 tells us that Judas was the son of Simon. What does John 17:12 mean by describing Judas as the “son of perdition”? The word perdition means “destruction, ruin, waste.” Judas was not the literal son of “ruin, destruction, and waste,” but those things were the identity of Judas' life. Judas was a manifestation of perdition. In this same way, Jesus is the Son of God. The Son of God is God. Jesus is God made manifest (John 1:1, 14).

Hey guys when Jesus asked his disciples who men thought he is they gave different answers but when he asked them who do you think i am, peter said you are the son of God and Jesus told him that what peter said was true and God's spirit spoke through him(peter) -so does that prove it if you want more proof from The Book reply me

[b]God noni abeg no be me talk kam ooooo !!! [/b]

so who is da wife ov god i mean da real moda ov christ, ? B4 him came tu da earth

Who is the moda of God and Angels before he created man. Ask God noni

abilityskp:

[b]God noni abeg no be me talk kam ooooo !!! [/b]

so who is da wife ov god i mean da real moda ov christ, ? B4 him came tu da earth

hey do you need a wife to have a child ?

islamrules:

You are asking a rhetoric question, as you will need to die to get the answer.

Fraud? That can be viewed or addressed by what u believe. If you believe there is no God, somebody who believes there is God is like a fraudster to you.

You cant question what I beleive or what the bible says. If you open this thread 20 millions time on Nairaland, Christians wont because of that convert, because they understand what they believe.

Why not try christianity to get answer or die to go and ask God directly. And stop asking questions at a far distance. I have tried Islam, and I saw so many things. So nobody can bambose me with lies in the quran. Try christianity for answers.

There are so many shady statements without thorough explanations in the bible. You dont because of that Claim God is a lair. U wait till u get your answer.

I bet you with my belt that you wont get anwser to this question of yours. Even if u get, u will still discredit it.

There have been so many explanation on this post, yet you didnt want them. You simply dont want any answer, but to discredit other peoples believes.

That is what we call "Bigotry" A bigot

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerm, it is a well-known fact that there will always be Christians all-over the place. Islam would not have the concept of taxing you folks if Muslims believed that you would all convert-hehehehehe! However, that does not mean we can not call-a-spade-a-spade with you guys.

If you have to refer a person to the afterlife to explain a principle that is so fundamental to your religion- you are on a long thing and I will advise you to leave-it!

I am not asking a rhetorical question, the answer to the question is answered here in Qur'an Chapter 112:

In the name of Allah, The Beneficent , The Merciful
1. Say: He is Allah the One and Only;
2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
3. He begot not nor is He begotten;
4. And there is none like unto Him.

I know some people have been programmed in a certain way. So, I will translate the only piece of Arabic up there so they can read without getting a heart-attack just by reading God's name in Arabic!

In the name of God, The Beneficent , The Merciful
1. Say: He is God the One and Only;
2. God, the Eternal, Absolute;
3. He begot not nor is He begotten;
4. And there is none like unto Him.

In short, we are being told that :

1. God is 1 (Not 3-in-1).

2. He is eternal and has absolute power

3. He does not have Children just as he has no parents

4. He is incomparable (Hence, it is a big lie that God created Man in his image because there is nothing we can compare to God).

Now, this is what you wanted me to go and find-out after dying. Mr. Man, I don't need to die to know the truth, nether do you because by then it will be: "Too late to apologize." (And I ain't singing) .

And some people have the nerve to say we Muslims copy Christianity. This Chapter in the Qur'an just killed Christianity as you know it #Thinkforonceinyourlife

ther Muslim scholars maintain that the absence of early documentation can be blamed on old age. They believe that the material upon which the primary sources were written either disintegrated over time, leaving us with few examples today, or wore out from heavy handling and so were destroyed.

This argument is rather dubious. In the British Library we have ample examples of documents written by individuals in communities which were not too distant from Arabia, yet they predate these manuscripts by hundreds of years. On display are New Testament manuscripts such as the Codex Syniaticus and the Codex Alexandrinus, both of which were written in the fourth century, three to four hundred years before the period in question! Why have they not disintegrated with age?

Lets somebody open a thread with the topic "Is quran actually word of allah ?". Cuz I am confused

Some people will see you it in the bible and still not believe.l sabotage

Ayanfe22:

Some people will see you[s][/s] it in the bible and still not believe. Thats why the bible is for people who believe. If you read the bible and still dont believe, you cant believe because God wrote the bible for his children. YOU ARE READING SOMEONE ELSES MAIL. how then can you understand it. Youy should be charged for mail fraud if you dont believe what is in the bible. Mail sabotage

What do you want us to believe? We are asking fundamental questions and you are telling us that we should die first before we can get answers and you think you are making any sense.

jesusoto:

hey do you need a wife to have a child ?

I would like you to peform the miracle sir!


You are selling #badmarket. Na only Maga go buy am.

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerm, it is a well-known fact that there will always be Christians all-over the place. Islam would not have the concept of taxing you folks if Muslims believed that you would all convert-hehehehehe! However, that does not mean we can not call-a-spade-a-spade with you guys.

If you have to refer a person to the afterlife to explain a principle that is so fundamental to your religion- you are on a long thing and I will advise you to leave-it!

I am not asking a rhetorical question, the answer to the question is answered here in Qur'an Chapter 112:

In the name of Allah, The Beneficent , The Merciful
1.  Say: He is Allah the One and Only;
2.  Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
3.  He begot not nor is He begotten;
4.  And there is none like unto Him.

I know some people have been programmed in a certain way. So, I will translate the only piece of Arabic up there so they can read without getting a heart-attack just by reading God's name in Arabic!

In the name of God, The Beneficent , The Merciful
1.  Say: He is God the One and Only;
2.  God, the Eternal, Absolute;
3.  He begot not nor is He begotten;
4.  And there is none like unto Him.

In short, we are being told that :

1. God is 1 (Not 3-in-1).

2. He is eternal and has absolute power

3. He does not have Children just as he has no parents

4. He is incomparable (Hence, it is a big lie that God created Man in his image because there is nothing we can compare to God).

Now, this is what you wanted me to go and find-out after dying. Mr. Man, I don't need to die to know the truth, nether do you because by then it will be: "Too late to apologize." (And I ain't singing) Grin .

And some people have the nerve to say we Muslims copy Christianity. This Chapter in the Qur'an just killed Christianity as you know it #Thinkforonceinyourlife

Do you know which part killed Islam? http://debate.org.uk/topics/history/debate/part1.htm.

Who wrote quran ? No evidence of the writer. Below is an extract from the above link.

While Christianity can claim more than 5,300 known Greek manuscripts of the New Testament, 10,000 Latin Vulgates and at least 9,300 other early versions, adding up to over 24,000 New Testament manuscripts still in existence (McDowell 1990:43-55), most of which were written between 25-400 years after the death of Christ (or between the 1st and 5th centuries) (McDowell 1972:39-49), Islam can not provide a single manuscript until well into the eighth century (Lings & Safadi 1976:17; Schimmel 1984:4-6). If the Christians could retain so many thousands of ancient manuscripts, all of which were written long before the seventh century, at a time when paper had not yet been intoduced, forcing the dependency on papyrus which disintegtrated, then one wonders why the Muslims are not able to forward a single manuscript from this much later period, when it was supposedly revealed? This indeed presents a problem for the argument that the earliest Qur'ans all simply disintegrated with age, or were destroyed because they were worn.

So do you want me to believe your quote above from quran, a book that is not genuine ?

The bible is older than quran. Yet the bible says.

"In the begining was word, the word was with God, and God was the word"
The original book and not a photocopied

I quite understand this has been a controversial issue for ages, let's put an end to it here. i'm not doing this to ague, it's just to tell someone here the truth.
First, you'll need to believe in the bible to have a common base of understanding with me.
It's all recorded in the bible: Gen.1:1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and the earth was formless and without shape, , " .
John 1 records:"
1. In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2. He was with God in the beginning.
3. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
4. In him was life, and that life was the light of men.
, 14. So the Word became human and made his home among us. He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness. And we have seen his glory, the glory of the Father's one and only Son. "

From the above passage, there 're clear terms to proof Jesus as the son of God. As to would God father a son? I should let you know that the entire creation and the creator Himself is all a mystery. Meaning, there's a lot that exist beyond the scope of human understanding.

If you want the best answer, I'll suggest you read the book of John (Bible).
If after reading this you still have questions, pls feel free to ask.

Wow, to my christain brothers - REALLY?!

I quite understand this has been a controversial issue for ages, let's put an end to it here. i'm not doing this to ague, it's just to tell someone here the truth.
First, you'll need to believe in the bible to have a common base of understanding with me.
It's all recorded in the bible: Gen.1:1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and the earth was formless and without shape, , " .
John 1 records:"
1. In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2. He was with God in the beginning.
3. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
4. In him was life, and that life was the light of men.
, 14. So the Word became human and made his home among us. He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness. And we have seen his glory, the glory of the Father's one and only Son. "

From the above passage, there 're clear terms to proof Jesus as the son of God. As to would God father a son? I should let you know that the entire creation and the creator Himself is all a mystery. Meaning, there's a lot that exist beyond the scope of human understanding.

If you want the best answer, I'll suggest you read the book of John (Bible).
If after reading this you still have questions, pls feel free to ask.

Nothing you give them will satisfy them. They dont want any answer! Keep your answer.
And there is nothing anybody can do about it. Jesus is Jesus, Xmas is xmas, roman calender is roman calender.

Waooo Xmas is here, the most popular festival in the planet. When the [b]Son of God [/b]was born.

islamrules:

Do you know which part killed Islam? http://debate.org.uk/topics/history/debate/part1.htm.

Who wrote quran ? No evidence of the writer. Below is an extract from the above link.

So do you want me to believe your quote above from quran, a book that is not genuine ?

The bible is older than quran. Yet the bible says.

"In the begining was word, the word was with God, and God was the word"
The original book and not a photocopied

islamrules:

Do you know which part killed Islam? http://debate.org.uk/topics/history/debate/part1.htm.

Who wrote quran ? No evidence of the writer. Below is an extract from the above link.

So do you want me to believe your quote above from quran, a book that is not genuine ?

The bible is older than quran. Yet the bible says.

"In the begining was word, the word was with God, and God was the word"
The original book and not a photocopied

Guy, I asked a question. You said I have to die to learn the answer because you don't have the answer. After giving you the correct answer, you are now trying to give an answer for what you said is not answerable. Are you that gullible? Because you cannot be trying to pull this one on me.

This thread is about the question: Is Jesus the son of God? Let us stay on point. Your friends have turned the Islam for Muslim Section of Nairaland to their playground with threads they think will question Islam so leave that to them and address this thread's topic- okay!

Stop trying to divert attention, it only convinces people you don't know what you are talking about. Any smart person will know that I have been consistent on this thead whilst you have been flapping about like a butterfly.

Guy, I asked a question. You said I have to die to learn the answer because you don't have the answer. After giving you the correct answer, you are now trying to give an answer for what you said is not answerable. Are you that gullible? Because you cannot be trying to pull this one on me. Grin

I provided answer as human, you were not satisfied. Therefore, you need to meet ur maker to get the first hand/accurate answer

This thread is about the question: Is Jesus the son of God? Let us stay on point. Your friends have turned the Islam for Muslim Section of Nairaland to their playground with threads they think will question Islam so leave that to them and address this thread's topic- okay!

Why are you affraid of challenges? Christians has experienced many. You even claimed bible is fake. Jesus does not exist and christian took it. Why not take ya own ?

Stop trying to divert attention, it only convinces people you don't know what you are talking about. Any smart person will know that I have been consistent on this thead whilst you have been flapping about like a butterfly.

This is not diverting attention. You have many answers to questions already. Study them and digest them.

dipopeter:

I quite understand this has been a controversial issue for ages, let's put an end to it here. i'm not doing this to ague, it's just to tell someone here the truth.
First, you'll need to believe in the bible to have a common base of understanding with me.
It's all recorded in the bible: Gen.1:1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and the earth was formless and without shape, , " .
John 1 records:"
1. In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2. He was with God in the beginning.
3. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
4. In him was life, and that life was the light of men.
, 14. So the Word became human and made his home among us. He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness. And we have seen his glory, the glory of the Father's one and only Son. "

From the above passage, there 're clear terms to proof Jesus as the son of God. As to would God father a son? I should let you know that the entire creation and the creator Himself is all a mystery. Meaning, there's a lot that exist beyond the scope of human understanding.

If you want the best answer, I'll suggest you read the book of John (Bible).
If after reading this you still have questions, pls feel free to ask.

Oga, first-of-all check the meaning of the word "word" in the dictionary.

Then:

Okay, let us assume for argument sake that you know what you are talking about. You would still not have answered the question of how the word became attached to God?

Look, I have given you a simple straightforward explanation, you guys are just going around in circles from: Jesus is the indisputable son of God to; we have to die to know the reason to; in the beginning the word was with God.

God's word is by all clear reasoning not a human being. God could easily have said: 'In the beginning the son was with God' if that was the case.

And don't come here and tell me crap about the bible having inner meaning. Within the context of the beginning, God having a son with him makes no sense because my initial questions would still need answering.

Who is still arguing ? The guy is just playing upon ur intelligence. He knows what he is doing

Finally, Jesus speaks in parables. His followers doesnt understand him. He had to be explaining his parables to them.

That is those who experience Jesus face to face. What about we who only met his book?

This gives u the right answer. The bible is in layers, you cant understand it like a novel.

We told you to come to christ, you refused and still want to understand the bible. How ?

Wow!! Won ti da gobe sile nibiyi mehn. Brb!

islamrules:

I provided answer as human, you were not satisfied. Therefore, you need to meet your maker to get the first hand/accurate answer

Yeah, you provided an illogical answer. Somebody else has even tried to help you following your terrible response

Why are you affraid of challenges? Christians has experienced many. You even claimed bible is fake. Jesus does not exist and christian took it. Why not take ya own ?
Moi afraid? I am saying deal with this topic here. Create threads for those you think you have points on. Other people will treat them if I don't. Afraid is not a word you can use to describe me on Nairaland. This is not diverting attention. You have many answers to questions already. Study them and digest them.

Answers that I have shredded like wet tissue paper. You have no valid points but want people to accept them 'just because.' Well people are now waking-up and those your illogical explanations are being thrown-away.

Answers that I have shredded like wet tissue paper. You have no valid points but want people to accept them 'just because.' Well people are now waking-up and those your illogical explanations are being thrown-away.

Whats is your definition of valid point ?

I have my valid point. Everybody has a right to his/her valid point. But my valid point may not be acceptable to you.


Everybody has a right to his/her opinion, but your or mine is always valid than others. Just like agama lizard

U cant argue with an agama lizard. He will keep nodding his head in

islamrules:

@Omo_alaro,
Adams creation was explained by God that he and the angels (including satan) used soil and other things.

Jesus's anatomy was never mentioned by God to anyone. So case closed.

Go ask God. Before you can ask. You need to die.

Are u ready for answer ? Here you gooooooooooooooooo Gbam!

What kind of answer is this - that someone needs to die before he can ask a question? If you don't have the answer, why not simply say that you don't have the answer.  Afterall, it is not compulsory to have answers to all questions.

Also, if Jesus was not begotten and he was similarly created like other creatures like you have mentioned, that means he is not the only son of God.  I think the doctrine of any religion should be lucid and easy to understand for anyone.  It should not be so complicated as to be above the heads of those that the message is meant for.  Don't you think so?

You already have the answer to ur question in your head.

The correct answer in your head is : Jesus is not a son of God.

You are right, Voila, you won!

But I have new splash for you.

Your answer wont make Christians change. Christians are still gonna be in America, Europe, Africa just like muslims. It will change nothing.

That is what we call "opinion"

Are you coming to Cannan Land Otta this december ?

What kind of answer is this - that someone needs to die before he can ask a question? If you don't have the answer, why not simply say that you don't have the answer. Afterall, it is not compulsory to have answers to all questions.

Also, if Jesus was not begotten and he was similarly created like other creatures like you have mentioned, that means he is not the only son of God. I think the doctrine of any religion should be l[b]ucid and easy to understand for anyone[/b]. It should not be so complicated as to be above the heads of those that the message is meant for. Don't you think so?

You cant question God. I beleive you cant question quran too.

That is what we call religion, religion is inability question the supreme being. The maker.

Pick up your lazy arsenal and read the Bible.

You guys really have time to answer this silly question.

Pick up your lazy arsenal and read the Bible.

You guys really have time to answer this silly question.

islamrules:

You cant question God. I beleive you cant question quran too.

That is what we call religion, religion is inability question the supreme being. The maker.

This is why it is pointless engaging people on religious issues because it is simply based on faith and not logic.  And peoples' faith articles range from the outlandish to the ridiculous. At the end of the day, each party digs deeper into their original positions after all the huffing and puffing.

Logically, there is no religion that does not have holes but if you like say it from now till eternity, people will do what they want to do and they will believe what they want to believe whether it is ludicrous, nonsensical or obtuse.

JOHN 3:16 FOR GOD SO LOVE THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS OMLY BEGOTTEN SON THA [s]WHO SO EVER BELIVE IN HIM SHALL HAVE EVERKATING LIFE[/s]THE QUESTION IS IF JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD AND MARY IS THE MOTHER OF JESUS, SO WHAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN GOD AND MARY

If the bible says Jesus is the Son of God, how well can we trust the Bible?