SmartestG:

It's not just about complexity alone. Chance and order cannot coexist. Let me give you a practical example..
From what you just said, it implies that chance caused the existence of a living thing, which formed into man as time passed. Chance also shockingly formed woman, and gave both man and woman external reproductive organs which are compatible (by chance). Chance didn't stop there, it also surprisingly made their internal reproductive systems compatible in such a way that the female produces eggs and the male produces sperm to fertilize the eggs, so that when the work together an offspring is formed. I doubt it works this way.

It is obvious you do not understand the process by which or the time span in which these changes occurred.

Also your assertion is baseless. Chaos/chance and order coexist in almost every physical system in this universe. Your blood is a prime example. The movement of each blood cell is a chaotic jumble that adheres to the pathways of your blood vessels while also adhering to the laws of fluid dynamics. You will see this in any physical system you examine.

LordReed:


It is obvious you do not understand the process by which or the time span in which these changes occurred.

Also your assertion is baseless. Chaos/chance and order coexist in almost every physical system in this universe. Your blood is a prime example. The movement of each blood cell is a chaotic jumble that adheres to the pathways of your blood vessels while also adhering to the laws of fluid dynamics. You will see this in any physical system you examine.

Lol.. Adhering to a law of fluid dynamics means it follows a theory, the order of those theories are also by chance too? Chance can hardly lead to order. It's like throwing a dice and expecting a 1 to 6 respectively on 6 throws. And yes, I do understand the process and time span (billions of years) by which those changes occured according to science. The chances that man and woman will be exactly the way they are, perfectly compatible is too slim.
You can do your research.. Even scientists are beginning to reason this way.

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SmartestG:


Lol.. Adhering to a law of fluid dynamics means it follows a theory, the order of those theories are also by chance too? Chance can hardly lead to order. It's like throwing a dice and expecting a 1 to 6 respectively on 6 throws. And yes, I do understand the process and time span by which those changes occured according to science. The chances that man and woman will be exactly the way they are, perfectly compatible is too slim.

You keep saying chances are too small but say you know the process and time. I don't think you do. If you did you'd understand that these changes we see now occurred over a time span no human can really comprehend. Your lifespan is less than 0.0000001% of the time scale we are talking about. You seem to think it was like someone tossing dice till they got double 6.

LordReed:


You keep saying chances are too small but say you know the process and time. I don't think you do. If you did you'd understand that these changes we see now occurred over a time span no human can really comprehend. Your lifespan is less than 0.0000001% of the time scale we are talking about. You seem to think it was like someone tossing dice till they got double 6.

I said tossing a dice and getting 1,2,3,4,5,6 respectively on 6 throws. That's an Order created by a random event

SmartestG:

I said tossing a dice and getting 1,2,3,4,5,6 respectively on 6 throws. That's an Order created by a random event

And given the time scales we are talking about, who says it is impossible for such a sequence to occur? It's almost like saying from a pack of 52 cards, it is impossible to randomly draw 6 cards and get a hand consisting of cards numbered 1-6. That happens all the time in card games.

Besides the changes occurred like a tortoise crawl the entire 3.8billion years so its not like humans leapt fully formed from a single cell organism.

LordReed:


And given the time scales we are talking about, who says it is impossible for such a sequence to occur? It's almost like saying from a pack of 52 cards, it is impossible to randomly draw 6 cards and get a hand consisting of cards numbered 1-6. That happens all the time in card games.

Besides the changes occurred like a tortoise crawl the entire 3.8billion years so its not like humans leapt fully formed from a single cell organism.

What I see that you neglected on your post is that, you didn't factor WHAT WILL HAPPEN before the chance to complete the compatibility occurred...

If I may ask, who first evolve, the male or the female?

Emusan:


What I see that you neglected on your post is that, you didn't factor WHAT WILL HAPPEN before the chance to complete the compatibility occurred...

Explain

If I may ask, who first evolve, the male or the female?

I feel that is irrelevant. What is relevant is that evolutionary mechanics allowed sexual dimorphism to be the most successful human reproductive strategy. I hope you are aware that sexual dimorphism is not the only successful reproductive strategy in the world?

LordReed:


And given the time scales we are talking about, who says it is impossible for such a sequence to occur? It's almost like saying from a pack of 52 cards, it is impossible to randomly draw 6 cards and get a hand consisting of cards numbered 1-6. That happens all the time in card games.

Besides the changes occurred like a tortoise crawl the entire 3.8billion years so its not like humans leapt fully formed from a single cell organism.

I am aware of the time span, and how the universe is expanding. The time span makes the process of achieving order of things we see today impossible, cos picking a 1-6 is even the simplest example. The example of a man and woman is just 1 of many examples.
We could also extend it by saying that the earth has an ozone layer which protects living organisms from UV rays, and everything needed by man for existence is also found on earth by chance.

LordReed:


Explain



I feel that is irrelevant. What is relevant is that evolutionary mechanics allowed sexual dimorphism to be the most successful human reproductive strategy. I hope you are aware that sexual dimorphism is not the only successful reproductive strategy in the world?

Evolutionary mechanics "allowed"... And it eventually lead perfect combination of things? Even if we were all to believe the theories of evolution, it couldn't have allowed itself. Very famous scientists firmly believe in the existence of God, but just don't agree with religious stories.
That's why initially said it's very possible to be irreligious, but it makes no sense to believe a God doesn't exist, which is the main concept of an Atheist.

LordReed:


LMFAO! I never claimed to be the herald of a superpowerful god. You are the one who says that so why should I do anything wonderful? It is you who have a superpowerful god who will not help the suffering, the sick, the mentally ill. Of what use is your superpowerful god if there is no help for the helpless?

Go and ask of Brekete Family, the brain child of a Muslim man who is helping people, Christians and Muslims alike even though he is an ordinary man meanwhile bleeps like you make noise upanddan about a supernatural god but can't even help your own brothers.

You make me laugh but I know your plight, it is hard to break the religious indoctrination.

Hmmmmmmmmmm most people just love misinformation. Well the truth is that my God is not going to do a single thing to help the descendants of a rebellious couple who are still dwelling on the same thing their ancestors did. HIS promise is to "destroying all disobedient ones then instruct obedient ones on what to do next to make the place HE gave them a Paradise" So if you're expecting anything more then you're deceiving yourselves because even the most stupid reformer amongst you knew that you can't achieve perfect conditions in the presence of those waiting to ruin your plans.

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmmm most people just love misinformation. Well the truth is that my God is not going to do a single thing to help the descendants of a rebellious couple who are still dwelling on the same thing their ancestors did. HIS promise is to "destroying all disobedient ones then instruct obedient ones on what to do next to make the place HE gave them a Paradise" So if you're expecting anything more then you're deceiving yourselves because even the most stupid reformer amongst you knew that you can't achieve perfect conditions in the presence of those waiting to ruin your plans.

LoL! Thank you for confirming that your idea of God is as an incensed, spiteful, unforgiving douche nozzle. LMFAO!

LordReed:


LoL! Thank you for confirming that your idea of God is as an incensed, spiteful, unforgiving douche nozzle. LMFAO!

Yes you can say that again! Unforgiving is the best option in the case of misinformed tenants who are bent on setting standards for the landlord without considering how the he feels or wants his building to be maintained. Isaiah 55:8-11

TATIME:
Atheists will not stop amusing me with their attitudes, if you're not ready to obey WRITTEN documents it's OK but calm down to see clearly before arguing. I said Jesus WAS! WAS!! WAS!!! God. Not IS God because at that time He served the same purpose that Moses served during his lifetime. Exodus 7:1 So during their lifetime nobody could ever try what the performed as sign of divine acceptance up till today! Deuteronomy 34:10-12 compared to John 21:25 They both served as Gods during their lifetime but they both kept directing all the glory and honor to the one who made them Gods in human skin "Jehovah". Deuteronomy 6:4-9 compared to Mark 12:29,30 So my friend, Jesus served as God but never asked people to worship Him. John 20:17

What's this? Jesus was God, Jesus is God, Jesus is not God but was God, Jesus served as God... Get ur story straight bro.

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmmm most people just love misinformation. Well the truth is that my God is not going to do a single thing to help the descendants of a rebellious couple who are still dwelling on the same thing their ancestors did. HIS promise is to "destroying all disobedient ones then instruct obedient ones on what to do next to make the place HE gave them a Paradise" So if you're expecting anything more then you're deceiving yourselves because even the most stupid reformer amongst you knew that you can't achieve perfect conditions in the presence of those waiting to ruin your plans.

This is exactly why ur God idea is useless.

With or without you God idea... Humans will be good and bad. They will try to make ends meet and struggle to make their life better. Even u who is a believer in whatever nonsense God is in ur head is involved in the same struggle everyone is involved in. U get hurt, happy, better and sometimes things get bad .. Ur God is just their in ur head doing nothing about the world he created... I will spite on him any day he tries to show his face.

frank317:



What's this? Jesus was God, Jesus is God, Jesus is not God but was God, Jesus served as God... Get ur story straight bro.

You're typing this today because you're now an adult but there WAS a time when you're just a helpless little infant. Surely most of the things you did back then shouldn't be expected of you again today,because you're NO MORE a helpless little baby! So that's the difference between your present and past.

frank317:


This is exactly why ur God idea is useless.

With or without you God idea... Humans will be good and bad. They will try to make ends meet and struggle to make their life better. Even u who is a believer in whatever nonsense God is in ur head is involved in the same struggle everyone is involved in. U get hurt, happy, better and sometimes things get bad .. Ur God is just their in ur head doing nothing about the world he created... I will spite on him any day he tries to show his face.

That's why i don't make invalid demands like you, because i knew what happened in the past before my generation,fully understood what's happening around me now, and know what's going to happen in the nearest future,as a BELIEVER

SmartestG:


Evolutionary mechanics "allowed"... And it eventually lead perfect combination of things? Even if we were all to believe the theories of evolution, it couldn't have allowed itself. Very famous scientists firmly believe in the existence of God, but just don't agree with religious stories.
That's why initially said it's very possible to be irreligious, but it makes no sense to believe a God doesn't exist, which is the main concept of an Atheist.

Allowed is not indicative of a conscious effort. If I say a slope allowed a stationary ball to roll away it doesn't mean the slope made a conscious decision to move the ball. The conditions and processes created the right state to bring about the changes.

All these things are well explained without the need for a supernatural being driving any of the processes. It makes less sense to believe there is a God you can't see but is influencing the universe. That influence should be measurable if it exists.

TATIME:
Yes you can say that again! Unforgiving is the best option in the case of misinformed tenants who are bent on setting standards for the landlord without considering how the he feels or wants his building to be maintained. Isaiah 55:8-11

LMFAO! Want to bet that nothing will happen till you die?

TATIME:
HIS promise is to "destroying all disobedient ones then instruct obedient ones on what to do next to make the place HE gave them a Paradise"

Wow I really didn't pay attention to this. LoLz, I am sure this destruction will come in the form of you being directed by God to kill all non Believers right? Just like he instructed the Israelites to kill the Canaanites right? LMFAO!

TATIME:
You're typing this today because you're now an adult but there WAS a time when you're just a helpless little infant. Surely most of the things you did back then shouldn't be expected of you again today,because you're NO MORE a helpless little baby! So that's the difference between your present and past.

So Jesus was God now he is no more God?

Lol... And it keeps getting foolish

LordReed:


LMFAO! Want to bet that nothing will happen till you die?

Yes it may and it might not bbecause God is not doing so for just me, that's why i have to wait patiently for the best time in HIS eyes. You can't expect the landlord to change some structures in a building that's not purposely built for ONLY you,rather you'll have to consider other tenants to avoid SELFISHNESS. Even if i'm already in my grave by the time HE is rewarding those who abide by HIS standards, i'll be remembered. Daniel 12:13 So my dear Hairyrapunzel, that's why i'll continue to wait patiently for the time that's best in HIS sight. Matthew 24:36

TATIME:
You're typing this today because you're now an adult but there WAS a time when you're just a helpless little infant. Surely most of the things you did back then shouldn't be expected of you again today,because you're NO MORE a helpless little baby! So that's the difference between your present and past.

Still don't make u different... Just makes u think u are different

TATIME:
Yes it may and it might not bbecause God is not doing so for just me, that's why i have to wait patiently for the best time in HIS eyes. You can't expect the landlord to change some structures in a building that's not purposely built for ONLY you,rather you'll have to consider other tenants to avoid SELFISHNESS. Even if i'm already in my grave by the time HE is rewarding those who abide by HIS standards, i'll be remembered. Daniel 12:13 So my dear Hairyrapunzel, that's why i'll continue to wait patiently for the time that's best in HIS sight. Matthew 24:36

Hahaha, I knew you would never take the bet and you'll come and change mouth. I though you said the end is near? Is it nearer than 2000yrs ago when Jesus said this generation shall not pass away?

Anyways, don't worry while you wait, I will bring you a chilled drink that was refrigerated by an invention of man, the drink processed by the ingenuity of man. Maybe also bring a fan to cool you down, also made by man. LMFAO!

LordReed:


Wow I really didn't pay attention to this. LoLz, I am sure this destruction will come in the form of you being directed by God to kill all non Believers right? Just like he instructed the Israelites to kill the Canaanites right? LMFAO!

Or just the way he is instructing bokoharam to kill Christians

frank317:


Still don't make u different... Just makes u think u are different

Wisdom is justified by her children. Luke 7:35

sonmvayina:
I am not an atheist.. But I am wise enough to know that the Christian God does not exist.. Just a bunch of uneducated guys who gathered in Nicea to create him, and forged some documents to perpetuate the scam.. They spent the next 1700 years rewriting, editing it and only took a break when a certain German invented the printing press..

In the words of Cardinal worsley.. "if we don't destroy this invention now, this invention will one day destroy us"

Jesus is a Nicean creation to mock the creator of the universe and to deceive the gullible..

can u even listen to what you are saying u better repent before its 2 late

LordReed:


Hahaha, I knew you would never take the bet and you'll come and change mouth. I though you said the end is near? Is it nearer than 2000yrs ago when Jesus said this generation shall not pass away?

Anyways, don't worry while you wait, I will bring you a chilled drink that was refrigerated by an invention of man, the drink processed by the ingenuity of man. Maybe also bring a fan to cool you down, also made by man. LMFAO!

Well for your information i'm a healthy consultant, drinking refrigerated drinks is harmful to health and the fan can't blow cool breeze if oxygen is not much. But natural stream water is 100% good for your kidneys and just sitting under a tree(even during hot weather) is cooler and freshening than fan.

TATIME:
Wisdom is justified by her children. Luke 7:35

U can say that again, u are as ordinary as everyone of us...

TATIME:
Well for your information i'm a healthy consultant, drinking refrigerated drinks is harmful to health and the fan can't blow cool breeze if oxygen is not much. But natural stream water is 100% good for your kidneys and just sitting under a tree(even during hot weather) is cooler and freshening than fan.

Do you also live in a garden like God created or you live in a house? Do you sleep on a bed? And your clothes, you made it from animal skin? LoL.

frank317:


U can say that again, u are as ordinary as everyone of us...

That's 100% true my friend,just that i reason differently due to thorough meditations on every single thing going on around me.

LordReed:


Do you also live in a garden like God created or you live in a house? Do you sleep on a bed? And your clothes, you made it from animal skin? LoL.

There are better things nature offers than what man has invented but it's just the fear of untamed individuals that's forcing someone like me to accept most things.