TATIME:
Of course it will sound stupid before those who haven't been tortured by individuals under the influence of the gods of political seats(politicians) When you're affected by the deeds of the gods controlling the authorities i'm sure you'll remember today! How i wish you survive that day so that you can meet one of US when you're ready to learn about the unseen supernatural forces threatening your very existence!

LoL! SMH, that's how they deceive you so you either don't question their dastardly acts or you don't retaliate with force against them. No silver tongued pastor or cowrie bedecked "jazz man" will stop me from anything I need to do. I leave the fear of such to frightened little pups like you. LMFAO!

LordReed:


LoL! SMH, that's how they deceive you so you either don't question their dastardly acts or you don't retaliate with force against them. No silver tongued pastor or cowrie bedecked "jazz man" will stop me from anything I need to do. I leave the fear of such to frightened little pups like you. LMFAO!

Fear? Fear?? Well when you're there you'll know what fear means! I'm talking of POLITICIANS who have no business with whether you believe in stone or your dead ancestors, you're talking about Yahoo bigboys fooling crooked people with deceptive thoughts. You have no right amongst them unless you belong to their cult and the spirit dishing out the positions recognise you after you must have offered a sacrifice that's worthwhile! Most right claimers have died in ignorance for not knowing the truth in politics. All these are top secrets and i won't have mentioned it if you didn't mention "Sango". If you're truly an atheist, i'm telling you the ONLY way to benefit yourself. It's either you wait behind and allow them do whatever they want and forget about your RIGHT or you enter into the cult fully as a gladiator for position. Don't forget you're hopeless since this is the ONLY opportunity you have to live so anything apart from those two options could means cheap death as a scapegoat or sacrificial lamb whose blood will be match into the seat of power! That's why i wish you survive after knowing the truth in politics (fighters for what is right under the wrong atmosphere)

Whenever religion is mentioned atheists believe that anyone called believer must be a slowpoke and a victim of extortion,that's why i keep saying all atheists are novice.

TATIME:
Fear? Fear?? Well when you're there you'll know what fear means! I'm talking of POLITICIANS who have no business with whether you believe in stone or your dead ancestors, you're talking about Yahoo bigboys fooling crooked people with deceptive thoughts. You have no right amongst them unless you belong to their cult and the spirit dishing out the positions recognise you after you must have offered a sacrifice that's worthwhile! Most right claimers have died in ignorance for not knowing the truth in politics. All these are top secrets and i won't have mentioned it if you didn't mention "Sango". If you're truly an atheist, i'm telling you the ONLY way to benefit yourself. It's either you wait behind and allow them do whatever they want and forget about your RIGHT or you enter into the cult fully as a gladiator for position. Don't forget you're hopeless since this is the ONLY opportunity you have to live so anything apart from those two options could means cheap death as a scapegoat or sacrificial lamb whose blood will be match into the seat of power! That's why i wish you survive after knowing the truth in politics (fighters for what is right under the wrong atmosphere)

Gosh you are so cheap, if this what you believe. And not just cheap, dumb as well. Religion has eviscerated your brain and made you cheap and dumb. SMH

LordReed:


Gosh you are so cheap, if this what you believe. And not just cheap, dumb as well. Religion has eviscerated your brain and made you cheap and dumb. SMH

Yes you can say that again my friend, what do you think made me a preacher and teacher of meekness and righteousness? Well i wanted to be expensive with ego but after carefully studying the Bible with TRUE Christians i discovered that been lowly and simple will bring me a lot of benefits.Luke 12:15 Many thought too much of themselves and by the end of it all they died hopelessly when reigning gladiators exterminated them in the arena due to "me first" attitude. You're not cheap my friend as you keep seeking for things having artificial values. Let's keep my being cheap and dumb aside for now and concentrate on what are the benefits of atheism? After all you've been demanding a reason for the FAITH i have,and as intelligent creatures our discussion should be worthwhile so can i know something of value in atheism? Surely your parents aren't atheists and if they are your grandparents aren't atheists, i'm damn sure someone brought it into your family. Therefore can you share what you've got with a friend like me?

TATIME:
Yes you can say that again my friend, what do you think made me a preacher and teacher of meekness and righteousness? Well i wanted to be expensive with ego but after carefully studying the Bible with TRUE Christians i discovered that been lowly and simple will bring me a lot of benefits.Luke 12:15 Many thought too much of themselves and by the end of it all they died hopelessly when reigning gladiators exterminated them in the arena due to "me first" attitude. You're not cheap my friend as you keep seeking for things having artificial values. Let's keep my being cheap and dumb aside for now and concentrate on what are the benefits of atheism? After all you've been demanding a reason for the FAITH i have,and as intelligent creatures our discussion should be worthwhile so can i know something of value in atheism? Surely your parents aren't atheists and if they are your grandparents aren't atheists, i'm damn sure someone brought it into your family. Therefore can you share what you've got with a friend like me?

Mister, everybody dies. Even the most faithful Christian will die just like an atheist. We are all humans, your fairy tale confers on you no benefits or superiority over any other human neither does not believing your fairytales. We all go to the grave in what ever manner death meets us.

My progenitors faith or lack thereof has nothing to do with me so I wonder what interest you have in the matter. Was your father a Sango worshipper?

LordReed:


Mister, everybody dies. Even the most faithful Christian will die just like an atheist. We are all humans, your fairy tale confers on you no benefits or superiority over any other human neither does not believing your fairytales. We all go to the grave in what ever manner death meets us.

My progenitors faith or lack thereof has nothing to do with me so I wonder what interest you have in the matter. Was your father a Sango worshipper?

Hmmmmmmmmmm that's not what your faculty teaches my friend. Remember atheism emerge when some intelligent creatures discovered that religion is a curse so if it's truly not beneficial, there should be a form of enlightenment to help people psychologically and that means atheism needs to teach people how to live happily instead of the mental slavery of religion(as atheists calls it). Humans love to be happy that's why you'll see crowds PAYING for entertainment and laughter. You can't tell a naked man not to wear rags if you've got nothing to give him for a covering in replacement. That's why i want to know if there is any benefit in atheism because the Bible promised faithfuls everlasting life in the future(John 3:16,Psalm 37:9-11,29,67:6,7Proverbs 2:21,22,35:6,65:21-23) Plus Satisfying and blissful life NOW. Psalms 1:1-6,Isaiah 1:18,48:17,18 Act 15:28,29

LordReed:

My progenitors faith or lack thereof has nothing to do with me so I wonder what interest you have in the matter. Was your father a Sango worshipper?

My own father was as religious as any other but i later discovered that he was just following the crowd, he never had a strong conviction in his heart regarding the existence of God. So he was the first person to speak to me about some intelligent creatures called atheists but the irony of it is that he was trying to condemn atheism while i his son already knew that that's where he truly belongs(Atheism). Today he's dead but i'm happy because i was able to unleash the unseen spirit of atheism in him so that himself and others who knew him realized that he never believe in a God. Before his death he openly declared that he regretted following the misinformed religious churchgoers all his life, why? Because he saw the true spirit of faith in his own son who could speak boldly against falsehood before anyone,whereas his remaining children kept deceiving him and themselves. And to his greatest shock they displayed the deception he inculcated in them so he begged everyone in the family to go and learn about true faith from me. So my friend that's my story, you can see how boldly and blissfully i'm relating the experience and this i'll be glad to do the same for my children in order for them to be proud of having a man who can stand against all odds as their father.Please when we true Christians ask you about what you've got it's not to mock or make jest of you but to savor what you're enjoying PSYCHOLOGICALLY as a living intelligent creature.

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmmm that's not what your faculty teaches my friend. Remember atheism emerge when some intelligent creatures discovered that religion is a curse so if it's truly not beneficial, there should be a form of enlightenment to help people psychologically and that means atheism needs to teach people how to live happily instead of the mental slavery of religion(as atheists calls it). Humans love to be happy that's why you'll see crowds PAYING for entertainment and laughter. You can't tell a naked man not to wear rags if you've got nothing to give him for a covering in replacement. That's why i want to know if there is any benefit in atheism because the Bible promised faithfuls everlasting life in the future(John 3:16,Psalm 37:9-11,29,67:6,7Proverbs 2:21,22,35:6,65:21-23) Plus Satisfying and blissful life NOW. Psalms 1:1-6,Isaiah 1:18,48:17,18 Act 15:28,29

I can't speak for any other person but for me I am happier knowing that my life is not subject to the whims and caprices of unseen supernatural forces and such forces have not been shown to exist. I no longer need to fear the world or the things in it because I didn't previously understand how they work and even if I still do not understand, there is probably a perfectly natural reason for it. I do not need the hope of a heaven or the threat of a hell to live with consideration for my fellow man, I can live and love with all of my heart and strength, not for any god or for fear of retribution. This for me is true liberty, coupled with the ability to do what it takes to make me happy and bring happiness to others. There is no baggage of sin or appeasement dogging my every step, no devil waiting to trip me up, my successes and failures are mine.

Atheistm would have been ideal if adherents could come together and list the benefits of atheism apart from just permissively drawing comparisons with religion. So in conclusion Atheistm is another form of religion (though not agreed) born as a result of obvious errors and negativity of the existence of religion. Just like another religion born out of the seemingly endless errors or omissions in Churches,a religion emerged from the race of Ishmael but having NO reasonable presentation other than continuous comparisons with the Church. The only difference is that unlike other religions demanding dogmatic display of acts as sacred services, atheism just believe in the effort of man's wisdom to solve mankind's problems whereas to achieve this goal some supernatural forces must be involved in getting intelligent creatures to think alike "GOD"

TATIME:
My own father was as religious as any other but i later discovered that he was just following the crowd, he never had a strong conviction in his heart regarding the existence of God. So he was the first person to speak to me about some intelligent creatures called atheists but the irony of it is that he was trying to condemn atheism while i his son already knew that that's where he truly belongs(Atheism). Today he's dead but i'm happy because i was able to unleash the unseen spirit of atheism in him so that himself and others who knew him realized that he never believe in a God. Before his death he openly declared that he regretted following the misinformed religious churchgoers all his life, why? Because he saw the true spirit of faith in his own son who could speak boldly against falsehood before anyone,whereas his remaining children kept deceiving him and themselves. And to his greatest shock they displayed the deception he inculcated in them so he begged everyone in the family to go and learn about true faith from me. So my friend that's my story, you can see how boldly and blissfully i'm relating the experience and this i'll be glad to do the same for my children in order for them to be proud of having a man who can stand against all odds as their father.Please when we true Christians ask you about what you've got it's not to mock or make jest of you but to savor what you're enjoying PSYCHOLOGICALLY as a living intelligent creature.

That's a nice story. I will weigh the benefits of telling mine and see if I should. I do not want any misconceptions when I do.

LordReed:


I can't speak for any other person but for me I am happier knowing that my life is not subject to the whims and caprices of unseen supernatural forces and such forces have not been shown to exist. I no longer need to fear the world or the things in it because I didn't previously understand how they work and even if I still do not understand, there is probably a perfectly natural reason for it. I do not need the hope of a heaven or the threat of a hell to live with consideration for my fellow man, I can live and love with all of my heart and strength, not for any god or for fear of retribution. This for me is true liberty, coupled with the ability to do what it takes to make me happy and bring happiness to others. There is no baggage of sin or appeasement dogging my every step, no devil waiting to trip me up, my successes and failures are mine.

That's partially what true Christianity is all about! The difference (1) You will understand the secret behind the movement of a crowd of intelligent creatures heading towards the same direction.Proverbs 2:1-5 (2)Enlightening and encouraging others in your neighborhood to have common thoughts for Peace.Matthew 28:19,20(3)You can't live and love with "all your heart and strength" in a world full of hatred,crime and injustice without a motivational force.(Mark 12:29-31) Because you're human that could easily be discouraged in the face of betrayal ironically from those you want to love! Matthew 5:44 As for the rest you earlier mentioned you're a Christian if that's truly your intentions,just add those three to it.

LordReed:


That's a nice story. I will weigh the benefits of telling mine and see if I should. I do not want any misconceptions when I do.

Most people shy away from relating their experience because they often want praise from people whereas those praising them are hypocrites! Fela Anikulapo Kuti said "if i'm elected as president,those who praise me will be arrested because i hate people praising me for doing what i ought to do. But whoever points out my blunder i'll make my best friend and a minister because he is challenging me to do better" So don't worry about misconceptions because humans though intelligent knows how to hide their feelings for no benefits,when you speak up you gain power since a problem shared is half solved and also a blessing shared gives birth to greater blessings!

TATIME:
Most people shy away from relating their experience because they often want praise from people whereas those praising them are hypocrites! Fela Anikulapo Kuti said "if i'm elected as president,those who praise me will be arrested because i hate people praising me for doing what i ought to do. But whoever points out my blunder i'll make my best friend and a minister because he is challenging me to do better" So don't worry about misconceptions because humans though intelligent knows how to hide their feelings for no benefits,when you speak up you gain power since a problem shared is half solved and also a blessing shared gives birth to greater blessings!

I want it to be clear so someone doesn't come back at me with having an agenda. If I tell my story, it is because I want to, not for any gain or agenda.

TATIME:
That's partially what true Christianity is all about! The difference (1) You will understand the secret behind the movement of a crowd of intelligent creatures heading towards the same direction.Proverbs 2:1-5

I do not believe there's any supernatural cause for why humans behave the way they do.

(2)Enlightening and encouraging others in your neighborhood to have common thoughts for Peace.Matthew 28:19,20(3)You can't live and love with "all your heart and strength" in a world full of hatred,crime and injustice without a motivational force.(Mark 12:29-31) Because you're human that could easily be discouraged in the face of betrayal ironically from those you want to love! Matthew 5:44 As for the rest you earlier mentioned you're a Christian if that's truly your intentions,just add those three to it.

This is a common misconception, that you need religion to motivate you to a common good. I repudiate that assertion because I have devolved my self of religion and have no desire to harm my fellow man. In fact, I have way more empathy now for everyone because I see the red blood cells in them whether they are Muslim, Buddist, Atheist, Christian or whatever. In fact I care less for their religious background, their existence as humans is all that matters.

Sorry but I am not a Christian not even in my mind.

LordReed:

I have way more empathy now for everyone because I see the red blood cells in them whether they are Muslim, Buddist, Atheist, Christian or whatever. In fact I care less for their religious background, their existence as humans is all that matters.

Sorry but I am not a Christian not even in my mind.

Yes i understand what you're driving at but i'm just telling you the true meaning of Christianity! What will hinder your love for fellow creatures is still there that you've missed, you have mentioned different religions but what about NATIONALITIES? Before the spread of religion,lots of evil has occurred due to racism. And your empathy for others is meaningless when you're not doing anything to help them, giving out money to beggars or philanthropy means nothing when you're beneath individuals unknowingly having psychological problems. What i mean is if such persons have all the material things money can by, doesn't mean they shouldn't be helped psychologically. They're the real cause of suffering in the society since they can pull strings,so if you're not doing anything to help them then your empathy remains fruitless.

TATIME:
Yes i understand what you're driving at but i'm just telling you the true meaning of Christianity! What will hinder your love for fellow creatures is still there that you've missed, you have mentioned different religions but what about NATIONALITIES? Before the spread of religion,lots of evil has occurred due to racism. And your empathy for others is meaningless when you're not doing anything to help them, giving out money to beggars or philanthropy means nothing when you're beneath individuals unknowingly having psychological problems. What i mean is if such persons have all the material things money can by, doesn't mean they shouldn't be helped psychologically. They're the real cause of suffering in the society since they can pull strings,so if you're not doing anything to help them then your empathy remains fruitless.

Where we'll disagree is, you think telling people fairy tales of demons, hell and heaven is helping them psychologically while I think you are actually acerbating the problem. That is why you see people burning the hands of children with the excuse that the children are witches. People should be rid of all these fairy tales so that they can face their problems squarely and conquer the situations to rise to the top. Who cares if my token help to the man on the street doesn't change his life or the world? I don't have any god judging my actions so I don't care, I only care that I was able to do my little. Even a deluge of rain is made of many tiny drops, if everybody is doing their little, we will rise together. Not looking for demons and witches to blame for our problems, we will remain backward that way.

LordReed:

What caused God?

God doesn't have a cause. the Nam I am means the self existenting one. if God has a cause, then he is no more God.

solite3:
God doesn't have a cause.
the Nam I am means the self existenting one.
if God has a cause, then he is no more God.

Then the universe can have no cause too. The universe doesn't need a god to make sense as it is.

LordReed:


Then the universe can have no cause too. The universe doesn't need a god to make sense as it is.

All evidence points that the universe has an origin.

LordReed:


Where we'll disagree is, you think telling people fairy tales of demons, hell and heaven is helping them psychologically while I think you are actually acerbating the problem. That is why you see people burning the hands of children with the excuse that the children are witches. People should be rid of all these fairy tales so that they can face their problems squarely and conquer the situations to rise to the top. Who cares if my token help to the man on the street doesn't change his life or the world? I don't have any god judging my actions so I don't care, I only care that I was able to do my little. Even a deluge of rain is made of many tiny drops, if everybody is doing their little, we will rise together. Not looking for demons and witches to blame for our problems, we will remain backward that way.

Hmmmmmmmmmm Thanks for that beautiful thought. Yes we are humans with brains therefore where one man hears a sound and call it NOISE because he is not pleased listening to any sound another will hear the same and start moving his body calling the same sound MUSIC. It's not due to the effects of the sound but different conditions of the human mind. The same sight of an insane that's amusing to strangers can slowly kill the mother of the madman. So what is the benefit of faith? Well it's first to help all intelligent creatures realize that there are unseen higher intelligent beings around US and they're having positive or negative effect on what's happening around US. If you have witnessed a magical performance you'll realize that some unseen intellectuals are present on stage with the magician. Who are they? What are they supposed to be doing? Are they just friends helping in entertaining the audience? The Bible answers all these questions and more so when you see a mortal man inflicting pains on another mortal because of what these unseen supernaturals have caused know today that such a person is not a Christian. Because you can't do anything to harm these immortal beings, even though they can make use of bodies of mortals nothing done to the mortal affects them,once the owner of the body they're borrowing to perpetrate evil dies they move into another body. Matthew 8:28-34 So how can we conquer these seemingly invincible forces? True Christians are teaching people about their limitations and what to avoid doing so as not to invite them into our homes. Before Jesus,God gave the Israelites LAWS concerning these creatures( Deuteronomy 18:9-13)HE drove them away from all the territories of the promised land, HE even gave the Israelites instruction on how to send away all other spirits hanging around( Leviticus 16:1-26)but the people went inviting them back because they thought these immortals can do them some good.(Numbers 25:3) Later the angels guarding the land left after repeated warnings from prophets so the demons came back ravaging the people, that's what Jesus met on His arrival! Please don't get bored reading the quotations, it's just to confirm ancient events that actually happened!

solite3:
All evidence points that the universe has an origin.

What we know is, we have no way yet of knowing the conditions of the universe before the Big Bang. The mistake many people make is saying the big bang means something came from nothing. That is not correct, there was something and that something became everything. What we do not know is what the nature of that first something is. If you are going to make your god uncaused then nothing stops us from saying the same for the universe.

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmmm Thanks for that beautiful thought. Yes we are humans with brains therefore where one man hears a sound and call it NOISE because he is not pleased listening to any sound another will hear the same and start moving his body calling the same sound MUSIC. It's not due to the effects of the sound but different conditions of the human mind. The same sight of an insane that's amusing to strangers can slowly kill the mother of the madman. So what is the benefit of faith? Well it's first to help all intelligent creatures realize that there are unseen higher intelligent beings around US and they're having positive or negative effect on what's happening around US. If you have witnessed a magical performance you'll realize that some unseen intellectuals are present on stage with the magician. Who are they? What are they supposed to be doing? Are they just friends helping in entertaining the audience? The Bible answers all these questions and more so when you see a mortal man inflicting pains on another mortal because of what these unseen supernaturals have caused know today that such a person is not a Christian. Because you can't do anything to harm these immortal beings, even though they can make use of bodies of mortals nothing done to the mortal affects them,once the owner of the body they're borrowing to perpetrate evil dies they move into another body. Matthew 8:28-34 So how can we conquer these seemingly invincible forces? True Christians are teaching people about their limitations and what to avoid doing so as not to invite them into our homes. Before Jesus,God gave the Israelites LAWS concerning these creatures( Deuteronomy 18:9-13)HE drove them away from all the territories of the promised land, HE even gave the Israelites instruction on how to send away all other spirits hanging around( Leviticus 16:1-26)but the people went inviting them back because they thought these immortals can do them some good.(Numbers 25:3) Later the angels guarding the land left after repeated warnings from prophets so the demons came back ravaging the people, that's what Jesus met on His arrival! Please don't get bored reading the quotations, it's just to confirm ancient events that actually happened!

The Bible's explanations are just archaic nonsense. We know now that brain structure and body chemistry are the things that affect mental state and behavior. All that jazz about unseen beings is nonsense. Unfortunately for us, we have not yet gotten a full understanding of the mental landscape but we are making progress. And that is within a few hundred years of effort meanwhile Christianity has been here for 2000yrs yet the mentally deranged are over flowing medical facilities with no reprieve by your magic powers. So please don't give me that bullshit about Christianity helping. It ain't helping jackshit.

BTW you people should stop making noise with your bullshit excuse that angels are unseen. Jacob purportedly held one till it begged him to release it. Abegi una and una Bible are just a confused jumbled mess.

LordReed:


What we know is, we have no way yet of knowing the conditions of the universe before the Big Bang. The mistake many people make is saying the big bang means something came from nothing. That is not correct, there was something and that something became everything. What we do not know is what the nature of that first something is. If you are going to make your god uncaused then nothing stops us from saying the same for the universe.

in order words you believe matter or energy may not have an origin, right?
where does that something emerge from?
it is scientific fact that for an action to be performed or an equilibrium state to be altered there need to be an external force.
where did the external force that caused the big bang come from?

solite3:
in order words you believe matter or energy may not have an origin, right?
where does that something emerge from?
it is scientific fact that for an action to be performed or an equilibrium state to be altered there need to be an external force.
where did the external force that caused the big bang come from?

How can you read my words and surmise that I believe matter and energy do not have an origin? I already said WE DO NOT KNOW what came before the big bang. We do not know how that something or the conditions in which it existed came to be. There are speculations but with no way to test any hypothesis on those conditions yet so they remain speculations.

LordReed:


How can you read my words and surmise that I believe matter and energy do not have an origin? I already said WE DO NOT KNOW what came before the big bang. We do not know how that something or the conditions in which it existed came to be. There are speculations but with no way to test any hypothesis on those conditions yet so they remain speculations.

that means it may be wrong and it is indeed wrong (nothing can create itself), the evidence that a creator exist is overwhelming, it is not possible for trees, mountains, animals, man etc to exist by chance.
Almost every tribe believes there is a creator, don't you think there is an element of truth in this?

LordReed:


The Bible's explanations are just archaic nonsense. We know now that brain structure and body chemistry are the things that affect mental state and behavior. All that jazz about unseen beings is nonsense. Unfortunately for us, we have not yet gotten a full understanding of the mental landscape but we are making progress. And that is within a few hundred years of effort meanwhile Christianity has been here for 2000yrs yet the mentally deranged are over flowing medical facilities with no reprieve by your magic powers. So please don't give me that bullshit about Christianity helping. It ain't helping jackshit.

BTW you people should stop making noise with your bullshit excuse that angels are unseen. Jacob purportedly held one till it begged him to release it. Abegi una and una Bible are just a confused jumbled mess.

You don't have to get upset nor response with rage after all we're both discussing about what's in our minds. If you don't buy it fine, i'm cool. Don't forget when there is NO EVIDENCE your hearts need not pulp for nothing. You talk about what you know and i also talk about what i know, You can only be shaken when the evidence is pushing you off balance then your tone MUST change. But never mind it's just the power of reasoning behind FAITH. As for Jacob he has no ability to hold an angel.It's his attitude as he kept pleading(begging) that's holding the spirit form living not his strength. Hosea 12:3,4

solite3:
that means it may be wrong and it is indeed wrong (nothing can create itself), the evidence that a creator exist is overwhelming, it is not possible for trees, mountains, animals, man etc to exist by chance.
Almost every tribe believes there is a creator, don't you think there is an element of truth in this?

Nothing can create itself but this your magic creator. Again if you apply that to your creator we can apply it to the universe and still end up making more sense than you.

No I don't think because people who knew nothing of their environment all imagined supernatural beings that they were correct. They all also thought the earth was flat at some point and they were all wrong. They thought famines and other natural disasters were from angry gods and they were all wrong. No way I trust such unsophisticated thought processes.

Again there is no evidence for this god. If you say there is show me some and none of this the universe was made by him. Your fairytale says he can be seen on occasion so make take a camera and go capture some footage.

TATIME:
You don't have to get upset nor response with rage after all we're both discussing about what's in our minds. If you don't buy it fine, i'm cool. Don't forget when there is NO EVIDENCE your hearts need not pulp for nothing. You talk about what you know and i also talk about what i know, You can only be shaken when the evidence is pushing you off balance then your tone MUST change. But never mind it's just the power of reasoning behind FAITH. As for Jacob he has no ability to hold an angel.It's his attitude as he kept pleading(begging) that's holding the spirit form living not his strength. Hosea 12:3,4

LoL! You've come with interpreting Bible to suit your narrative. Jacob physically wrestled with the angel, abi how did it stretch a hand and dislocate Jacob's hip? The angels the Sodomites wanted to sleep with, were they in the dream world? Abraham, Joshua, Moses, Gideon all saw angels with their 2 korokoro eyes according to your fairytales. But because it is all fake and you cannot reproduce the results (which is the essence of verifiable evidence) you have to employ sophistry for your utter inability to produce anything tangible.

You folk will keep saying we are bitter but it is because we tell you the bitter truth. Reality is as harsh as the full glare of stadium lights greeting you as you wake from sleep. Your religion is a a pipe dream. A nice one in some places but still just a dream.

My father was a strong Christian I would say. A man given to prayer and study of the word. I used to consider the Dakes Annotated Bible the best gift he ever bought for me. Any time I visited him he would urge me to listen and watch Christian programming on DSTV or any of the satellite TV providers. Faith I'd say was his watch word.

Then 2016 the news hit us, my father had cancer. We prayed, we fasted, pastors prayed and fasted, yet my father died. Up until the day he died I had faith he would recover. I stepped out of the hospital to attend to my family and that was the last time I saw him alive.

The only thing I took out of my father's things in 2016 was his Dakes Annotated Bible, mine was in tatters I had read it so much.

2018, I came to realise this whole thing is fake. I was believing an illusion. Useful for comforting my ignorance but not much else. I am more happy with my life, more satisfied and have hope I can build a future, even without the crutch of religion.

LordReed:
My father was a strong Christian I would say. A man given to prayer and study of the word. I used to consider the Dakes Annotated Bible the best gift he ever bought for me. Any time I visited him he would urge me to listen and watch Christian programming on DSTV or any of the satellite TV providers. Faith I'd say was his watch word.

Then 2016 the news hit us, my father had cancer. We prayed, we fasted, pastors prayed and fasted, yet my father died. Up until the day he died I had faith he would recover. I stepped out of the hospital to attend to my family and that was the last time I saw him alive.

The only thing I took out of my father's things in 2016 was his Dakes Annotated Bible, mine was in tatters I had read it so much.

2018, I came to realise this whole thing is fake. I was believing an illusion. Useful for comforting my ignorance but not much else. I am more happy with my life, more satisfied and have hope I can build a future, even without the crutch of religion.

my sincere condolence! life is just a phase every human will pass through it and the next is death.
what matters is to have the most important thing.

solite3:
my sincere condolence!

Thank you.