An exercise to examine ancient migrations of Yoruba using oral records, artifacts, written records, scientific evidence and cultural/religious stamps with language and root words.

There were no Yorubas at that time but people (ancestors of the Yorubas) were already living in the present Southwest Nigeria by 150BC.

What were those ancestors called?

Contrary to the opinion of some of these modern day scholars, especially the ones that are basically are paying no attention to researches, Yoruba as word existed as long as the clans have been. I say this with humility, because apart from oral, I have not seen many amongst Yoruba researchers, who have been able to proof at this present time much as Olumide lucas,SamuelJohnson, and some others in the past, that took the bold steps after many western researchers kept claiming ‘migrants status of Yorubas'.

Today, information of traceable shared words of Yoruba with middle east and Egypt etc keep manifesting.
All we can be certain about is that they were a Negro people (of which ancient Egypt probably had at least one community as we have seen) and that one of the many princely states they founded on their arrival in West Africa..was Ife Conton WF (1960. 71
Although we agree with Conton that some of the Yoruban ancestors migrated from Egypt, we tend to toe the scientific line of Cheik Anta Diop, that the ancient Egyptians were pure Negroes.

Aderibigbe, an indigenous scholar, also accepts that the Yorubas migrated from Egypt. He says:
The general trend of these theories, most of them based on Yoruba traditions, is that of a possible origin from the east .Some scholars, impressed by the similarities between Yoruba and ancient Egyptian culture religious observation, works of art, burial and other customs peak of a possible migration of the ancestors of the Yoruba from the upper Nile (as early as 2000BC 1000BC) as a result of some upheavals in ancient Egypt. (AB ADERIBIGBE 1976)

Unlike Conton, Aderibigbe was able to pinpoint a cause for the Yoruban migration.Based on the different account on Odudua, Obviously, the name that Oral account claimed,it was borne out of epitome of good character, could mean,the descendants of Odua,with that title left Egypt at a very early period perhaps after the Hyksos invasion of 2000-1500BC ,but not later than 30BC.And this migration took the different people out of Egypt to West Africa.
The laughing aspects of this is that too many claimed they have record of Yoruba history but always with a deadlock, when germane questions are asked.

As far as scientific evidence is concerned,13000 years ago was the least that has been proven via the skull found at Iwo Eleru, as a clue to relate to the past of the probability of Yoruba ancestors through the present day in Yoruba land. Unfortunately, the skull didn't match Yoruba ancestors. Furthermore, the radio carbon test done on the artifacts in part of yoruba land was dated back between 1100/1200AD-1300AD
Even when there were claims by people in Yoruba land that ILEIFE Nigeria is the beginning of mankind, the radio carbon test was done and the test showed that ILEIFE was habited around 300BC with animal husbandry.

According to Sussanne Blier,in Art place of IFE,the birth place of Yorubas,there were over 40 kings before Ooni Olofin and these 44 or 43 king list can't be recalled. This simply mean,Odua group suppressed many things after they took control of the first ILEIFE.

Maybe Sussanne Preston Blier is wrong. Perhaps the people with well vast knowledge that know much of the Ikedu king list should come up with it.

Olu317,

Thanks as usual for your info.

However, I am weary of those that claim Nork Culture does not match Yoruba, Dufuna Boat does not match Yoruba and now Iwo Eleru at our door step does not match Yoruba.

We even have some Ijebu that claim not to be Yoruba, that Bikilusu that built the largest area in Ijebu is not Yoruba, so are some Itsekiri, Lakunmi in Onitsha area and now the Bini.

Nevertheless, culture from Egypt to Mesopotamia down the Nile to Sudan, Tapa, Borgu far from the present Ife were Yoruba?

While trying to be objective, we must be blind men and women describing different parts of an elephant.

Indeed, Youruba assimilation, tolerance and bi won se bi erun, ni won se bi omo: must have overtaken our generosity.

No wonder the only place claimed as no mans' land is Yoruba land.

I feel sorry for una.

googi:
Olu317,

Thanks as usual for your info.

However, I am weary of those that claim Nork Culture does not match Yoruba, Dufuna Boat does not match Yoruba and now Iwo Eleru at our door step does not match Yoruba.

We even have some Ijebu that claim not to be Yoruba, that Bikilusu that built the largest area in Ijebu is not Yoruba, so are some Itsekiri, Lakunmi in Onitsha area and now the Bini.

Nevertheless, culture from Egypt to Mesopotamia down the Nile to Sudan, Tapa, Borgu far from the present Ife were Yoruba?

While trying to be objective, we must be blind men and women describing different parts of an elephant.

Indeed, Youruba assimilation, tolerance and bi won se bi erun, ni won se bi omo: must have overtaken our generosity.

No wonder the only place claimed as no mans' land is Yoruba land.

I feel sorry for una.

Well ,Nok,Igbos-Ibos existed before Yoruba's appearance. Although it is not impossible for some people to be of Nok ancestry in Yoruba land but there were some developed beings that moved to this direction in and around 300- 3500 years ago because the phase of the development was too different. And these people had population explosion at a time due to multiple marriages.
Take for instance, the Yorubas have the highest multiple twin birth in the world and no group in west Africa share such with Yorubas. And after some research had been conducted severally, Some Western researchers claimed,it was as a result of yam/tuber consumption, can you believe such ?

The point here is that there are so many staggering information that these Roman-Greek-European invaders read in their manuscripts-papyrus that they find unbelievable in Yoruba land. So,don't blame these western researchers because they are the seekers that appreciate Yorubas because they know the true identity of the Yorubas. But want the Yorubas to discover themselves as the chosen people of God. Unfortunately, some Yoruba researchers aren't really willing to engage in self funding before serious funding could be source from foreign sponsors.

Infact,it is pathetic seeing that the popular hieroglyphs on Opa Oranmiyan hasn't being interpreted. The last guess on the interpretation was said to mean,the three kingdoms, he (Oranmiyan)reigned as king in each of these three different kingdom.

Then on your proverb,I seriously understand, because I know some Yorubas in person, who have identity crisis, which is due to the different background of their parents, especially, a maternal lineage,that's linked to Yorubas. But ,in as much that, the Yorubas acknowledge everyone irrespective of status,either of maternal, paternal, slave ancestry or noble as God has made it, then ,everyone's place is secured. The zeal to excel and achieving an excellent status ,is what Yorubas appreciate and uphold in high esteem.This is what brought the saying, Òrì lo mò énì òlàa.

So,don't feel bad Sir,but rejoice because you represent your ancestors always.


Cheers

Omo oko ni e.

Sorry, I do not know how to translate it into English.

Èl-èdù-máàre is the master teacher because, he is the one who hold ògbòn, ìmò àtì ooyè.
Òlòrùn nì o kò ènì, à sì kò wà mò shè



íìbà ooo

I grew alot more respect for you, olu, since entering this thread

Olu317:
Contrary to the opinion of some of these modern day scholars, especially the ones that are basically are paying no attention to researches, Yoruba as word existed as long as the clans have been. I say this with humility, because apart from oral, I have not seen many amongst Yoruba researchers, who have been able to proof at this present time much as Olumide lucas,SamuelJohnson, and some others in the past, that took the bold steps after many western researchers kept claiming ‘migrants status of Yorubas'.

Today, information of traceable shared words of Yoruba with middle east and Egypt etc keep manifesting.
All we can be certain about is that they were a Negro people (of which ancient Egypt probably had at least one community as we have seen) and that one of the many princely states they founded on their arrival in West Africa..was Ife Conton WF (1960. 71
Although we agree with Conton that some of the Yoruban ancestors migrated from Egypt, we tend to toe the scientific line of Cheik Anta Diop, that the ancient Egyptians were pure Negroes.

Aderibigbe, an indigenous scholar, also accepts that the Yorubas migrated from Egypt. He says:
The general trend of these theories, most of them based on Yoruba traditions, is that of a possible origin from the east .Some scholars, impressed by the similarities between Yoruba and ancient Egyptian culture religious observation, works of art, burial and other customs peak of a possible migration of the ancestors of the Yoruba from the upper Nile (as early as 2000BC 1000BC) as a result of some upheavals in ancient Egypt. (AB ADERIBIGBE 1976)

Unlike Conton, Aderibigbe was able to pinpoint a cause for the Yoruban migration.Based on the different account on Odudua, Obviously, the name that Oral account claimed,it was borne out of epitome of good character, could mean,the descendants of Odua,with that title left Egypt at a very early period perhaps after the Hyksos invasion of 2000-1500BC ,but not later than 30BC.And this migration took the different people out of Egypt to West Africa.
The laughing aspects of this is that too many claimed they have record of Yoruba history but always with a deadlock, when germane questions are asked.

As far as scientific evidence is concerned,13000 years ago was the least that has been proven via the skull found at Iwo Eleru, as a clue to relate to the past of the probability of Yoruba ancestors through the present day in Yoruba land. Unfortunately, the skull didn't match Yoruba ancestors. Furthermore, the radio carbon test done on the artifacts in part of yoruba land was dated back between 1100/1200AD-1300AD
Even when there were claims by people in Yoruba land that ILEIFE Nigeria is the beginning of mankind, the radio carbon test was done and the test showed that ILEIFE was habited around 300BC with animal husbandry.

According to Sussanne Blier,in Art place of IFE,the birth place of Yorubas,there were over 40 kings before Ooni Olofin and these 44 or 43 king list can't be recalled. This simply mean,Odua group suppressed many things after they took control of the first ILEIFE.

Maybe Sussanne Preston Blier is wrong. Perhaps the people with well vast knowledge that know much of the Ikedu king list should come up with it.

Pattern-recognition is a fundamental capability in human, it is inherent and is what aids our ability to determine discrete objects or parts-object when interacting with the space and environment around us. The power to discriminate and include or exclude members in a group, class, unit and so on. Pattern-recognition does not require academia or literacy, it exists as a skill-set for competition and survival. It should be viewed as "native intelligence".

The material and physical senses communicate with its environment by way of wavelenghts. There are energies that our senses are not sharp enough to discern, or perharps too developed to perceive. These are energies outside of our sensual experience....they exist but we have no knowledge or use for them. With tools and instruments we are able to bring some of them into manifest for different applications and utilities.

Changes in the characteristics and behaviors of wavelengths is what create patterns. Some behaviors are uniform and they do not fluctuate, other behaviors on the other hand change frequently as the wave progresses with time. The ones that do not change are predictable and we can say with a degree of certainty what to expect of it over time. Conversely, waves that change frequently do not conform to expectations and mankind is challenged to bring some stability into it or give it meaning so that he can manage the character to benefit and improve himself. We compete for who is best at manipulating and managing these challenges because, unlike predictable events, unpredictable patterns in life have outcomes that present rare but rewarding opportunities. This is the toil of man. We devote lifetime searching for variable patterns.

Those that become linguists, the ones that become historians, the authors, artists, politicians, the restaurant cook, the tomatoe seller in the market, the yam hawker, the cocoa farmer, the rubber farmer, the cow herder....we are toiling for the same thing, the endgame is to get a breakthrough and catch a rare life pattern that no one else owns but everybody needs. Education in the profile of a historian is therefore no different than a hoe in the hand of a farmer. They are tools. The educated historian cannot till the soil and time the season and migration pattern of pests like the veteran farmer can. Likewise, however much knowledge of history of the land the farmer possess, he cannot bring the antiquities and markers of greatness to life, he has to put his knowledge to the trust of the historian to clothe it with some attitude and animation.

So our quest to get to the root, somewhat, of origin of ancient Yoruba is not, and must not be, the exclusive prerogative of those trained and credentialed in history or linguistics, as has been argued repeatedly. Yoruba as a pattern has aspects which are beyond the classroom and which no historian or linguists has the knowledge, in theory or practice, to appreciate, either because there are still virgin areas not yet opened for academic studies...or an inquisition was conducted using a normal distribution theory in the stead of variability tests.....in which case we are dealing with defects in certain patterns we find ourselves grouped into. Virgin areas not yet visited by academia is not necessarily virgin to native intelligence. In essence, a combined contribution of inputs for a systemic approach to itemize and do comparative analysis of primary factors of life in a village or town, seasonal occupation of towns people, ritual festivities and deity worship by Priests, social order and organization in a King's domain, is what we must do for Yoruba in order that we can include or exclude it as a migrant race.

Language is a natural pattern, its key character is sound, produced by voice. Everybody in the human race has voice, and everybody in the human race has language, but not every native race has every sound. Some sounds travel from a foreign land to a native land. The factor/s behind the sound-migration will reveal links between the donor and the receiver, if it was a fraternal attribute or resulting from a conquest. We must explore, and not be quick to dismiss or close-minded; let the sound itself teach us where it came from and why it is on Yoruba tongue.

Oodua a Gbe Wa O!
Edumare a to wa s'ona!

Moorish:
I grew alot more respect for you, olu, since entering this thread

Hmmmm,I appreciate your respect. Yoruba people of ancient time said,‘Bìbì'rè ko shè f'oworà'

Respect to you too Moorish....nîtoripè énìkàn kíì jé àwà'dè,which made me to hold steadfast to this Yoruba adage,which says,‘Kì áàrìn kì àwó pó , yìyé nì nyénì.


Cheers

MetaPhysical:



Pattern-recognition is a fundamental capability in human, it is inherent and is what aids our ability to determine discrete objects or parts-object when interacting with the space and environment around us. The power to discriminate and include or exclude members in a group, class, unit and so on. Pattern-recognition does not require academia or literacy, it exists as a skill-set for competition and survival. It should be viewed as "native intelligence".

The material and physical senses communicate with its environment by way of wavelenghts. There are energies that our senses are not sharp enough to discern, or perharps too developed to perceive. These are energies outside of our sensual experience....they exist but we have no knowledge or use for them. With tools and instruments we are able to bring some of them into manifest for different applications and utilities.

Changes in the characteristics and behaviors of wavelengths is what create patterns. Some behaviors are uniform and they do not fluctuate, other behaviors on the other hand change frequently as the wave progresses with time. The ones that do not change are predictable and we can say with a degree of certainty what to expect of it over time. Conversely, waves that change frequently do not conform to expectations and mankind is challenged to bring some stability into it or give it meaning so that he can manage the character to benefit and improve himself. We compete for who is best at manipulating and managing these challenges because, unlike predictable events, unpredictable patterns in life have outcomes that present rare but rewarding opportunities. This is the toil of man. We devote lifetime searching for variable patterns.

Those that become linguists, the ones that become historians, the authors, artists, politicians, the restaurant cook, the tomatoe seller in the market, the yam hawker, the cocoa farmer, the rubber farmer, the cow herder....we are toiling for the same thing, the endgame is to get a breakthrough and catch a rare life pattern that no one else owns but everybody needs. Education in the profile of a historian is therefore no different than a hoe in the hand of a farmer. They are tools. The educated historian cannot till the soil and time the season and migration pattern of pests like the veteran farmer can. Likewise, however much knowledge of history of the land the farmer possess, he cannot bring the antiquities and markers of greatness to life, he has to put his knowledge to the trust of the historian to clothe it with some attitude and animation.

So our quest to get to the root, somewhat, of origin of ancient Yoruba is not, and must not be, the exclusive prerogative of those trained and credentialed in history or linguistics, as has been argued repeatedly. Yoruba as a pattern has aspects which are beyond the classroom and which no historian or linguists has the knowledge, in theory or practice, to appreciate, either because there are still virgin areas not yet opened for academic studies...or an inquisition was conducted using a normal distribution theory in the stead of variability tests.....in which case we are dealing with defects in certain patterns we find ourselves grouped into. Virgin areas not yet visited by academia is not necessarily virgin to native intelligence. In essence, a combined contribution of inputs for a systemic approach to itemize and do comparative analysis of primary factors of life in a village or town, seasonal occupation of towns people, ritual festivities and deity worship by Priests, social order and organization in a King's domain, is what we must do for Yoruba in order that we can include or exclude it as a migrant race.

Language is a natural pattern, its key character is sound, produced by voice. Everybody in the human race has voice, and everybody in the human race has language, but not every native race has every sound. Some sounds travel from a foreign land to a native land. The factor/s behind the sound-migration will reveal links between the donor and the receiver, if it was a fraternal attribute or resulting from a conquest. We must explore, and not be quick to dismiss or close-minded; let the sound itself teach us where it came from and why it is on Yoruba tongue.

Oodua a Gbe Wa O!
Edumare a to wa s'ona!

Áàshé wà

On Linguistic similarities, Ferdinand de Saussure, says in his book, ‘the surest way to prove a cultural contact between peoples is to adduce linguistic evidence (Ferdinand de Saussure (1972) General HISTORY OF Africa)'
The book,‘ Understanding the whole student', Benjamin Lee Whorf stated, in what has become known as the Whorf hypothesis, that;
"language is not simply a way of voicing ideas, but is the very thing which shapes those ideas." An example of this is how one perceives of time'.
Unfortunately, many so claimed scholars in Yoruba land don't walk on this path of humanity as regard their field of study. And I don't blame a lot of them because, no one can give what he or she don't have.
In the course of understanding Hebrew language, that shock my knowledge, is that the ancient Hebrew language is descriptive in nature like the Yoruba's because things are called by the way they acts in both ancient Hebrew and Yoruba's unlike the English language. And over 150+ Hebrew words were Anglicised in to English language. But some of these words were daily Yoruba used words.

Lastly, I don't have regret on the chosen field I find myself because no one can give inspiration unless God and hard work.

Cheers to you all,my good brothers

The link below connects to a journal now archived with Hathi Trusts but originally produced by Harvard University. It contains scholarship work with scientific proof of common origin between Yoruba, Egypt and Coptic. The scholars explicitly rejected all ideas of coincidence between the three and firmly acknowledged co-origin.

When the page loads and you are in the Hathi archive you can find work on Yoruba by typing Yoruba as a keyword in the search field. The navigation through search results is easy and you can connect back to the main journal with no problem.

This is general to everyone interested but particularly to Olu who has pushed this idea tenaciously.


https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.tz1k9h;view=1up;seq=1

MetaPhysical:
The link below connects to a journal now archived with Hathi Trusts but originally produced by Harvard University. It contains scholarship work with scientific proof of common origin between Yoruba, Egypt and Coptic. The scholars explicitly rejected all ideas of coincidence between the three and firmly acknowledged co-origin.

When the page loads and you are in the Hathi archive you can find work on Yoruba by typing Yoruba as a keyword in the search field. The navigation through search results is easy and you can connect back to the main journal with no problem.

This is general to everyone interested but particularly to Olu who has pushed this idea tenaciously.


https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.tz1k9h;view=1up;seq=1

I have seen it and will study it patiently.



Respect bro.

@ MetaPhysical, have you knowledge of a known download link of this Journal or pdf's ? The information therein is useful for my work. So, I need a full copy of the Journal,preferably, the e-copy .




Regard.

googi:
Olu317,

Thanks as usual for your info.

However, I am weary of those that claim Nork Culture does not match Yoruba, Dufuna Boat does not match Yoruba and now Iwo Eleru at our door step does not match Yoruba.

We even have some Ijebu that claim not to be Yoruba, that Bikilusu that built the largest area in Ijebu is not Yoruba, so are some Itsekiri, Lakunmi in Onitsha area and now the Bini.

Nevertheless, culture from Egypt to Mesopotamia down the Nile to Sudan, Tapa, Borgu far from the present Ife were Yoruba?

While trying to be objective, we must be blind men and women describing different parts of an elephant.

Indeed, Youruba assimilation, tolerance and bi won se bi erun, ni won se bi omo: must have overtaken our generosity.

No wonder the only place claimed as no mans' land is Yoruba land.

I feel sorry for una.

You dey reason like me. All these so-called scholars twisting shit up and them folks disclaiming their connection to Yoruba are all high on Abrahamic w33d

xylovoice@gmail.com, is my mail address if you have questions I can attend to.