jeff1607:


if you get mauled or bitten do I still win?

will you hold weapons?

plain clothes or padded?

do I still need to pay for your injuries?


would you like it recorded?


cos I am in


love your dogs by the way, you are really doing a great job.

I will not ruin your dog by any means but I can hit with my legs. No weapon and I might wear a padded costume. You are free to record. If your dog attacked without running away, you win.

I can do it anytime this week.

oluomoadebayo:


This is not a German shepherd thread.

lol...I guess u get that a lot..people mistake ur dogs for gsds

agboedeh:
@oluomoadebayo before I say anything..just wanna say am a huge fan of ur work. Love ur dogs so much.

belgium Shepherd are more flexible and faster than most security dogs. they have d drive to to learn and are more focused during training. But I would rather go for a DDR because of they have all these qualities (not compared to d malinois tho) and are larger in size(I love huge dogs).
I don't think a pure bred Caucasian would back down from a fight.. I would have to disagree. they are bred to face wolves,bears etc. Caucasian are much stronger than a malinois and I personally prefer them to malinois in terms of guarding d compound.

You have the right to prefer a breed to another. I will not derail from the scope of this thread anymore if anyone wants to prove me wrong, let's get out of the keyboard and go to the field.

oluomoadebayo:


I will not ruin your dog by any means but I can hit with my legs. No weapon and I might wear a padded costume. You are free to record. If your dog attacked without running away, you win.

I can do it anytime this week.

and by "If your dog attacked without running away, you win" I get the amount we bet with right?

the enclosure would be a pen ,( can't let him roam the area cos of other people he has injured, if you agree in an enclosed area) then I am game,the item would be kept in a corner, (Agbara ,ogun state. Sunday. 25k?

kindly drop your contact so we talk more

jeff1607:


and by "If your dog attacked without running away, you win" I get the amount we bet with right?

the enclosure would be a pen ,( can't let him roam the area cos of other people he has injured, if you agree in an enclosed area) then I am game,the item would be kept in a corner, (Agbara ,ogun state. Sunday. 25k?

kindly drop your contact so we talk more

We can look for an uncompleted building because there will be no place to run inside a pen. I will drive down from Osogbo and let's make it 100k to cover my expenses. My phone number is 07066423482. Sunday is a good time for me.

oluomoadebayo:


We can look for an uncompleted building because there will be no place to run inside a pen. I will drive down from Osogbo and let's make it 100k to cover my expenses. My phone number is 07066423482. Sunday is a good time for me.

thanks sir for calling and also for the enlightenment, looking forward to hearing and also learning from you.

Pls give us video feed back, we are waiting in earnest..........

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abbeg:
So you're saying a malinois attack is deadlier than a Caucasians? I have seen a Caucasian FLIP a man in that suit in the air and you're showing me this small thing as deadly attack? Malinois are very good dogs but seriously they shouldn't be compared to dogs like kangals or rotts when it comes to guarding.Much less attacking.

Just show me a video, please. I will stop responding to you if you don't back up your claims with proof.

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abbeg:
Show me how to post video.I found one with SMALL Caucasians to show you.

It is obvious you know nothing about dogs other than the online information. Working dogs is about effectiveness, not size. I will stop arguing with you because I have less time for facebook trainer like you. Good luck with your theory and stay safe. Before, I leave here is a link where caucasian are being trained to attack.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL-lnkKoS5o

@IamAnderson are you blind to what I wrote here before you are saying rubbish? I guess you are only interested in attacking me without even reading my comment on CO. You are just here wasting people's time with your ranting. Read between the line again and stop the nonsense you are writing.

wait someone is actually comparing the strength of a malinois to a Caucasian??! lmao!
malinois are agile dogs but they are not even close to caucs in strength.
can a malinois take down two grown men?(I've seen a cauc take down three)
can a malinois kill a wolf?(caucs are famous for that)
a malinois can barely stand it's ground with other large dogs (boerbeol, bullmastiffs, kangals and the rest)
malinois are fast and agile yes but they are not strong.
all these pictures you posted are of malinois doing agile things not showcasing their strength.
yes they are used in airports but for different reasons it's never because of their strength. if it's like that, they should have been using them to guard prisons and sending them to the battlefront.
if a group of thieves break into your compound what will your malinois do?
run circles around them till they're dizzy?? lol
sha their is a saying that a man who has never lived in a mansion will be impressed by a bungalow

IamAnderson:
wait someone is actually comparing the strength of a malinois to a Caucasian??! lmao!
malinois are agile dogs but they are not even close to caucs in strength.
can a malinois take down two grown men?(I've seen a cauc take down three)
can a malinois kill a wolf?(caucs are famous for that)
a malinois can barely stand it's ground with other large dogs (boerbeol, bullmastiffs, kangals and the rest)
malinois are fast and agile yes but they are not strong.
all these pictures you posted are of malinois doing agile things not showcasing their strength.
yes they are used in airports but for different reasons it's never because of their strength. if it's like that, they should have been using them to guard prisons and sending them to the battlefront.
if a group of thieves break into your compound what will your malinois do?
run circles around them till they're dizzy?? lol
sha their is a saying that a man who has never lived in a mansion will be impressed by a bungalow

I'm not in the business of comparing breeds but I don't see any dogs going to war these days other than a Malinois or GSD. I'm not interested in dog fighting either because it's cruel. Prison guards are using Malinois all over the world. I'm a dog trainer and breeder at the same time and effectiveness is what I crave for.

Every breed of dogs was bred for a purpose but how many of them represent that purpose in this age? If you are so certain of your dog, why can't you pick up the challenge and let us simulate invasion into your property?

oluomoadebayo:


I'm not in the business of comparing breeds but I don't see any dogs going to war these days other than a Malinois or GSD. I'm not interested in dog fighting either because it's cruel. Prison guards are using Malinois all over the world. I'm a dog trainer and breeder at the same time and effectiveness is what I crave for.

Every breed of dogs was bred for a purpose but how many of them represent that purpose in this age? If you are so certain of your dog, why can't you pick up the challenge and let us simulate invasion into your property?

I don't mind covering the event. I'll come with cameras, facebook live, instagram live e.t.c, it would be ......................wait for it.........................................................................LEGENDARY

oluomoadebayo:


I'm not in the business of comparing breeds but I don't see any dogs going to war these days other than a Malinois or GSD. I'm not interested in dog fighting either because it's cruel. Prison guards are using Malinois all over the world. I'm a dog trainer and breeder at the same time and effectiveness is what I crave for.

Every breed of dogs was bred for a purpose but how many of them represent that purpose in this age? If you are so certain of your dog, can't you pick up the challenge and let us simulate invasion into your property?

the malinois you saw in prisons are used to track down and chase escaped convicts not to stop them from escaping.
I actually don't hate malinois contrary to that, I admire your breeding and training program.
my issue was when you compared the strength of a malinois to a Caucasian or kangal. malinois are not breed for their strength rather they are breed for their speed and agility.
I'm not in support of dog fights but if a fight should occur, a Caucasian will easily take out two malinois. when it comes to brute strength, a malinois is inadequate.
guarding a property requires strength not speed and agility, when faced with a threat your malinois can be brought down with one bullet meanwhile it took eight bullets to kill one kangal that took it's job too seriously and mauled an old woman to death.
if I was to use a dog to track,chase or retrieve things I would pick a malinois but when I need a strong guard dog, I will pick a kangal or Caucasian.
a well trained malinois is not as effective as a well trained kangal or Caucasian in guarding property.
malinois are agile yes but agility can only take you so far in guarding a place,you need strength to defend the place from an actual threat.

Lagosuber:


I don't mind covering the event. I'll come with cameras, facebook live, instagram live e.t.c, it would be ......................wait for it.........................................................................LEGENDARY

Lol nice Barney imitation

IamAnderson:

the malinois you saw in prisons are used to track down and chase escaped convicts not to stop them from escaping.
I actually don't hate malinois contrary to that, I admire your breeding and training program.
my issue was when you compared the strength of a malinois to a Caucasian or kangal. malinois are not breed for their strength rather they are breed for their speed and agility.
I'm not in support of dog fights but if a fight should occur, a Caucasian will easily take out two malinois. when it comes to brute strength, a malinois is inadequate.
guarding a property requires strength not speed and agility, when faced with a threat your malinois can be brought down with one bullet meanwhile it took eight bullets to kill one kangal that took it's job too seriously and mauled an old woman to death.
if I was to use a dog to track,chase or retrieve things I would pick a malinois but when I need a strong guard dog, I will pick a kangal or Caucasian.
a well trained malinois is not as effective as a well trained kangal or Caucasian in guarding property.
malinois are agile yes but agility can only take you so far in guarding a place,you need strength to defend the place from an actual threat.

I argue no more because I realized you are not listening. Goodluck with your dogs if you have one.

oluomoadebayo:


It is obvious you know nothing about dogs other than the online information. Working dogs is about effectiveness, not size. I will stop arguing with you because I have less time for facebook trainer like you. Good luck with your theory and stay safe. Before, I leave here is a link for where caucasian are being trained to attack.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL-lnkKoS5o

I remember saying that Caucasians and their kind were better GUARD dogs not working dogs.I also remember saying they were not as good working dogs as gsd and co as they are clumsy and not as smart.But I'm tried of this argument.It's pointless, uneccesary and uncalled for.This isn't a dog vs dog thread.Apologies.

ImFortress:
Lol I've been reading and lmao.

To start with, you guys shouldn't go into anymore of arguments with Adebayo, he's far more experienced than any of you, so it's advisable to think before you talk.

Oluomoadebayo why you wan do ojoro?



1. Almost every untrained dog will ball under pressure even a Malinois

2. Caucasians were bred to fight off wolves, not personal protection/patrol


3. These dogs (Malinois) are patrol dogs, you can't expect a bulky dog with that kind of Agility and Stamina, so rule out your Caucasians and Kangals, those guys are just for short burst.


4. You can't compare Malinois to a Caucasian, they're not in the same league.


What else have I not mentioned.

IfeCastro says#

Caucasians are used to guard prisons,military bases by the Russian military and yes personal property too.They are quite agile for their size.But they aren't excellent attack dogs though.

the truth of d matter is DAT a trained Caucasian and kangal are not in d same league with a trained malinois and gsd.
the reason police forces recruit the Mali and gsd is because of their intelligence,speed,loyalty and agility.
what we sud compare the malinois with is d gsd not Caucasian or kangal. Caucasian and kangal are bred to guard livestock not to do police work because if all what d military look for in a dog is strength, then the gsd and malinois would be their last option.

I think a new thread sud be opened for dis argument so as not to derail this one.

ImFortress:


Before we start to derail this Malinois thread, they're not in the same league.

They weren't bred for the same purpose.

One is big the other is small


One is Slow, the other is Fast.

One will tire out due to size and fat level, the other can go on for a long time.

One just wants to do, the other is ready to follow orders.

One believes in strength, the other believes in stamina and agility.

One is not so intelligent, the other is a smart ass.

One can't go under cover, the other can go under cover.


One is Serie A, the other La Liga


Should I Continue?

Now I hope I have successfully confused and by so doing convinced you that they're not in the same league


Thank you

this argument should just end you've already said my mind and we've already derailed this thread.
olumoadebayo sorry for contributing to the derailment of your thread I was even following the thread sef.
I actually admire your malinois and the effort you put into training them.
I hope there are no hard feelings man goodluck and sorry again.

lovely topic.......but u guys have derailed the thread thou


still following........

ImFortress:


Before we start to derail this Malinois thread, they're not in the same league.

They weren't bred for the same purpose.

One is big the other is small


One is Slow, the other is Fast.

One will tire out due to size and fat level, the other can go on for a long time.

One just wants to do, the other is ready to follow orders.

One believes in strength, the other believes in stamina and agility.

One is not so intelligent, the other is a smart ass.

One can't go under cover, the other can go under cover.


One is Serie A, the other La Liga


Should I Continue?

Now I hope I have successfully confused and by so doing convinced you that they're not in the same league


Thank you

I said over and over that malinois were better working dogs.The only reason I quoted you was because you said Caucasian got tired easily and couldn't guard people and property.That's what I wanted to debunk.They are not like other big dogs that tire out fast.They can actually go on for a long time.
And I've already spoken on the guarding part.What made me to start talking here was just me expressing my preference for strength over speed.Then things went out of hand and started derailing this thread.In fact I want to delete my previous comments.

agboedeh:
the truth of d matter is DAT a trained Caucasian,and kangal are not in d same league with a trained malinois and gsd.
the reason police forces recruit the Mali and gsd is because of their intelligence,speed,loyalty and agility.
what we sud compare the malinois with is d gsd not Caucasian or kangal. Caucasian and kangal are bred to guard livestock not to do police work because if all what d military look for in a dog is strength, then the gsd and malinois would be their last option.

I think a new thread sud be opened for dis argument so as not to derail this one.

Seconded

oluomoadebayo:


So sad, people relied so much on stories than a personal experience. Let us do it this way, I will come to invade your house in a simulation of a real scenario, release your Caucasian or Rottwieller but put 50k at your doorstep. If I can go with the money, it is mine, if I'm attacked it's yours. How about that?

What if he's got a few trained APBTs or Kangals. Would you still go ahead?

P.S. The money is he's by the way. If at all you got mauled by his dogs, you'd have to give him 50k from your part. To make it even

abbeg:
Caucasians and the like are better guard dogs than malinois and their kind but malinois and co are better working dogs.

In heirachy, the Caucasian Ovcharka is higher in terms of fierceness and guarding duty thing. Making them better guard dogs than the BMs and GSDs
This is not a convecture but a proven fact!
Thorough research will make them learn better. And experience too
Cheers!

agboedeh:
the truth of d matter is DAT a trained Caucasian,and kangal are not in d same league with a trained malinois and gsd.
...
what we sud compare the malinois with is d gsd not Caucasian or kangal
...
Caucasian and kangal are bred to guard livestock not to do police work

Did you thoroughly read the thread? I doubt that though

abbeg:
I dont want to start treating someone to prove a point.Caucasians and the like are better guard dogs than malinois and their kind but malinois and co are better working dogs.But they can still switch roles and excel at them.Reason this,if malinois are such excellent guard dogs why don't they use them to guard prisons and big buildings? They are smarter but it's not smartness that will take down well built men.That's what caucs rotts and boerbels were bred for.Brute strength.Not their intelligence.The people that use gsd at airports and barracks use them for intelligence and for the fact that they can be called off a chase.They are also more agile and faster than big strong dogs.But when it's time to fight they still fall back on big dogs.E.g. the battle of stalingrad in ww2.It is the deadliest battle in history.Caucasians fought alongside Russian soldiers in that war and took out machine gun positions.One bullet wasn't enough to bring them down.Can a malinois do that? but gsd and malinois are used as spies which Caucasian and mastiffs can't do due to their size and unintelligence.Do you get my point?

malinois is relatively new to Nigeria.

agboedeh:
@oluomoadebayo before I say anything..just wanna say am a huge fan of ur work. Love ur dogs so much.

belgium Shepherd are more flexible and faster than most security dogs. they have d drive to to learn and are more focused during training. But I would rather go for a DDR because of they have all these qualities (not compared to d malinois tho) and are larger in size(I love huge dogs).
I don't think a pure bred Caucasian would back down from a fight.. I would have to disagree. they are bred to face wolves,bears etc. Caucasian are much stronger than a malinois and I personally prefer them to malinois in terms of guarding d compound.

I'm not sure you have seen a malinois in action