ogbonti:




Trash talker, no evidence, no facts. ... you are so angry Ooni dey fall una hand big time.... please fight yourselves within to liberate the afonja race from this wrecking ball.. lol, the Binis know their king, they can attest to his nobility..... he can never be found doing the things your Ooni is doing, lai lai..... he cant. Because, the first son of every departed Oba, who reigns as the Edaiken of Uselu, is groomed from birth on how to act like a King. So he knows not to bow down to the likes of Saraki.

Your Ooni is hand picked by an Oracle, he is not groomed to be a King, he is not a direct descendant of other Kings before him..it's always like an accident of Oracle or Ifa's choice that he becomes a King, that is why he is so overwhelmed by the position and acts small.... sorry, I am.not the cause of your problem

That the Ooni is more accommodating and sociable than your Oba is not a necessary indication that your Oba is more eminent and royal. Your argument in this regard is the most ignorant expression of cultural ethnocentric bias; and it is not our fault that the Ooni of Ife is more recognized any where in the world than your Oba.


You also commented on the system of throne ascension in the two kingdoms and you appear to suggest that the Benin's is superior or something. Your ethnocentric bias has blinded you so much that you've been deluded that any kingdom that doesn't do things the Benin way is necessarily doing it the wrong way.

Where did you get all this crap from? Who set that standard that the best way to throne ascension is the Benin way?


Yes, the Ifes consult the higher realm in the process of throne ascension (as long as the the persons been considered are from the ruling houses), while the Binis automatically crowns the first son of the late Oba. But I am still at loss for understanding what makes you really think consulting the heavens in throne ascension is inferior to following a human invented process; even though I am not saying the Binis' process is wrong just for the simple reason that it is different from the Ife's process.

Ironically, it was Oranmiyan (an Ife prince) that independently came up with the idea that his son should be king in Benin after him, and so on going forward.


Furthermore, I think you're unaware of history, you seem to think in your little mind that the system of throne ascension of Benis is so good that it is not faulty. Let me educate you by pointing out some instances in Benin history when the Binis own system of throne ascension became impracticable, useless, and neglected.

The 4th Oba of Benin (Oba Ehenmihen) was not a son of the late 3rd Oba (Oba Uwakhuanhen).

Also, the 6th Oba of Benin (Oba Oguola) was not the first son of the late 5th Oba (Oba Ewedo) even though the first son was alive and well.


So no human invented system is absolute and without defect, and the Binis couldn't even get their own (much prided system) right almost from the very beginning.



Regarding why I replied you earlier saying "M. C. Olu-Omo of Oshodi is greater that the Oba of Benin":


It is not because that's a factual statement (of course I know it isn't. M. C. is not even a king), I responded like that because your statement to the effect that the Oba of Benin is greater that the Ooni of Ife is a blatantly, miserably and ridiculously false one, that I do not have to argue about.

It shouldn't be debated at all was my perspective. In fact, at some point in Benin history, someone can be sentenced to death by the Oba of Benin if they dared to say the Oba of Benin was greater that the Ooni of Ife. The Oba of Benin in those days not only consider the Ooni to be grater than him, he considered the Ooni to be a god for him.

What did the Oba achieve, except waste of resources....


Just saying

TAO11:




That the Ooni is more accommodating and sociable than your Oba is not a necessary indication that your Oba is more eminent and royal. Your argument in this regard is the most ignorant expression of cultural ethnocentric bias; and it is not our fault that the Ooni of Ife is more recognized any where in the world than your Oba.


You also commented on the system of throne ascension in the two kingdoms and you appear to suggest that the Benin's is superior or something. Your ethnocentric bias has blinded you so much that you've been deluded that any kingdom that doesn't do things the Benin way is necessarily doing it the wrong way.

Where did you get all this crap from? Who set that standard that the best way to throne ascension is the Benin way?


Yes, the Ifes consult the higher realm in the process of throne ascension (as long as the the persons been considered are from the ruling houses), while the Binis automatically crowns the first son of the late Oba. But I am still at loss for understanding what makes you really think consulting the heavens in throne ascension is inferior to following a human invented process; even though I am not saying the Binis' process is wrong just for the simple reason that it is different from the Ife's process.

Ironically, it was Oranmiyan (an Ife prince) that independently came up with the idea that his son should be king in Benin after him, and so on going forward.


Furthermore, I think you're unaware of history, you seem to think in your little mind that the system of throne ascension of Benis is so good that it is not faulty. Let me educate you by pointing out some instances in Benin history when the Binis own system of throne ascension became impracticable, useless, and neglected.

The 4th Oba of Benin (Oba Ehenmihen) was not a son of the late 3rd Oba (Oba Uwakhuanhen).

Also, the 6th Oba of Benin (Oba Oguola) was not the first son of the late 5th Oba (Oba Ewedo) even though the first son was alive and well.


So no human invented system is absolute and without defect, and the Binis couldn't even get their own (much prided system) right almost from the very beginning.



Regarding why I replied you earlier saying "M. C. Olu-Omo of Oshodi is greater that the Oba of Benin":


It is not because that's a factual statement (of course I know it isn't. M. C. is not even a king), I responded like that because your statement to the effect that the Oba of Benin is greater that the Ooni of Ife is a blatantly, miserably and ridiculously false one, that I do not have to argue about.

It shouldn't be debated at all was my perspective. In fact, at some point in Benin history, someone can be sentenced to death by the Oba of Benin if they dared to say the Oba of Benin was greater that the Ooni of Ife. The Oba of Benin in those days not only consider the Ooni to be grater than him, he considered the Ooni to be a god for him.

Distortions, fallacies and grand stupidity from you cannot re-write history. Our Benin Prince Ekaladerhan founded your Ife Kingdom which all yorubas claim Oduduwa came from heaven with a magic ladder..... hahahahaha, please where is that ladder? And how come new Ooni''s don't emerge from the sky with that same ladder today? Benin is superior to Ife and all yoruba mushroom kingdoms because your kings were all sleeping after a hot bowl of Amala, when Ado, a Benin Prince was crowned as Oba of Lagos. Enuff said!

My brother, I don't get paid arguing with reprobates like you on nairaland. My time is precious....

I won't try to match your long epistle... as this is more of a social media than an academic exercise.

I am going to work, to earn some dollars, keep arguing on nairaland, I hope the Ooni cuts you a check to pay your bills. AGBAYA!

ogbonti:



Distortions, fallacies and grand stupidity from you cannot re-write history. Our Benin Prince Ekaladerhan founded your Ife Kingdom which all yorubas claim Oduduwa came from heaven with a magic ladder..... hahahahaha, please where is that ladder? And how come new Ooni''s don't emerge from the sky with that same ladder today? Benin is superior to Ife and all yoruba mushroom kingdoms because your kings were all sleeping after a hot bowl of Amala, when Ado, a Benin Prince was crowned as Oba of Lagos. Enuff said!

My brother, I don't get paid arguing with reprobates like you on nairaland. My time is precious....

I won't try to match your long epistle... as this is more of a social media than an academic exercise.

I am going to work, to earn some dollars, keep arguing on nairaland, I hope the Ooni cuts you a check to pay your bills. AGBAYA!

Your task is actually simpler than you made it seem.

You could have avoided all the empty claims of "distortion", etc. and simply provide evidence to what i distorted. That way smart folks would take you serious.

That Ekaladehan is Oduduwa: I have provided conclusive evidence showing how that could never have been the case.

What I expected of you is that you provide evidence and not just repeat the empty claim.

On Oduduwa descending from heaven: I have explained how that is no more than a folklore, and smart people get it.

You seem to think the Binis dont have a folklore of humans descending from heaven? I think you should stop being ignorant and ask your elders questions like who Idu and Olukumi are, and where are they from according to the folklore of the Binis.

So, when you provide me with evidence from independent early accounts that substantiates your claim that Benin is superior to Ife, then we can have a discussion.

Ado was crowned king in Lagos centuries after Ife had already civilized the Binis, established the Oba monarchy in Benin, and solidified Yoruba influence there.

So, Ado only established Yoruba monarchy system in a Yoruba land of the Aworis. Ado simply came back home.

Yes the Ooni pays me for doing this (if that makes you sleep well) , while you dont get payed for doing this ryt, i get your frustration .. ...

Lest I forget, the word Agbaya amounts to no argument at all ... i requested something simpler i.e. evidence ...

I'm simply saying: substantiate your claims with evidence, proof or reason and you resorted to insults because there was no evidence for your empty claims.


Shame ...

TAO11:



Your task is actually simpler than you made it seem.

You could have avoided all the empty claims of "distortion", etc. and simply provide evidence to what i distorted. That way smart folks would take you serious.

That Ekaladehan is Oduduwa: I have provided conclusive evidence showing how that could never have been the case.

What I expected of you is that you provide evidence and not just repeat the empty claim.

On Oduduwa descending from heaven: I have explained how that is no more than a folklore, and smart people get it.

You seem to think the Binis dont have a folklore of humans descending from heaven? I think you should stop being ignorant and ask your elders questions like who Idu and Olukumi are, and where are they from according to the folklore of the Binis.

So, when you provide me with evidence from independent early accounts that substantiates your claim that Benin is superior to Ife, then we can have a discussion.

Ado was crowned king in Lagos centuries after Ife had already civilized the Binis, established the Oba monarchy in Benin, and solidified Yoruba influence there.

So, Ado only established Yoruba monarchy system in a Yoruba land of the Aworis. Ado simply came back home.

Yes the Ooni pays me for doing this (if that makes you sleep well) , while you dont get payed for doing this ryt, i get your frustration .. ...

Lest I forget, the word Agbaya amounts to no argument at all ... i requested something simpler i.e. evidence ...

I'm simply saying: substantiate your claims with evidence, proof or reason and you resorted to insults because there was no evidence for your empty claims.


Shame ...

Are you this jobless? God forbid bad thing!

ogbonti:



Are you this jobless? God forbid bad thing!

Very jobless with a cone head

ShySteady:
Welcome back Oba Ewuare II.

I am of the opinion that those artifacts which were stolen by the British in 1897 or thereabout continue to be kept by the Britons in their museum, but share proceeds of the money they make from tourists with the Oba of Benin.

Reason:
We do not have effective maintenance culture generally in Nigeria. Imagine having those artifacts securely placed in their museums for centuries without theft, decays or negligence.

Which project(s) in Nigeria we have today transcends 1897?

Inferioriy Complex. ''Let them keep it because we do not have maintenance culture''. But we had ''maintenance culture'' before they found the artefacts and stole them, abi? Nonsense. Some of those artefacts were more than 500 years old at the time they were looted by the British in 1897. I wonder how we managed to ''maintain'' them so well for hundreds of years without Oyibo, Mr ''I need white man''. No wonder we have problems in this country. We give up without even trying. Colonialism has made us believe we are incapable of doing anything serious without foreign assistance.

Rossikki:


Inferioriy Complex. ''Let them keep it because we do not have maintenance culture''. But we had ''maintenance culture'' before they found the artefacts and stole them, abi? Olodo.

As a child that you are, I believe your parents didn't train you on how to argue constructively without hurling insults at your elders.

Quote me again with insults and confirm your childish and irresponsible upbringing. Monkey!

ShySteady:


As a child that you are, I believe your parents didn't train you on how to argue constructively without hurling insults at your elders.

Quote me again with insults and confirm your childish and irresponsible upbringing. Monkey!

Olodo. Na you be monkey, as you dey reason like pure mumu.

Rossikki:


Olodo. Na you be monkey, as you dey reason like pure mumu.

Hahahaha.... Some foolishness are hereditary. This is a classical example, and my response has dignified your stupidity. Replying your insane and blockhead comments again only goes to show that this crass ignorance being exhibited by you is out-of-the-world.

I made my comments on the thread, but your imbecilic fingers would not let your immature brain do the thinking for you.

Hahahaha... No go hang yourself o!

ogbonti:



Are you this jobless? God forbid bad thing!

Hello,

You are trying too hard to prove to me that u have a job ... cos i didnt ask you for that, i asked you for evidence to support your empty claims.

Well FYI, I don't care that you dont have a job.

You ranted almost endlessly about how Benin is the Federal Capital of heaven.

You got a challenge to provide ur evidence, it was then u realized u should change d topic and beg everyone to believe u that u truly have a job ... how did u even get to such topic?

Open a thread about jobs etc. and rant there accordingly.

Nonsense

PrinceOgun:


Very jobless with a cone head

Hahaha ... e be like say e pain dem oo

Well seriously guys it's hightime I stopped asking u guys to provide evidence for your empty claims ... it's become more than evident that you guys lack evidence.

I knew from the outset that you all didn't have any evidence (because no such evidence exist), so i was just pulling your legs when i asked that evidences be provided ...

[s]

TAO11:



Hahaha ... e be like say e pain dem oo

Well seriously guys it's hightime I stopped asking u guys to provide evidence for your empty claims ... it's become more than evident that you guys lack evidence.

I knew from the outset that you all didn't have any evidence (because no such evidence exist), so i was just pulling your legs when i asked that evidences be provided ...

[/s]

Every1 knows your deep sh!t ooni is a jobless fool who is over whelmed by a fake throne so no time for u

PrinceOgun:
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Every1 knows your deep sh!t ooni is a jobless fool who is over whelmed by a fake throne so no time for u

Hahahaha

You proved my point again ... e pain u well well

Ooni of Ife is a god to Oba of Benin (Fact ... I have demonstrated that again and again on this thread).

I had actually forgiven you that I wont request evidence from you'll to support your empty claims.

But now that you're feeling bitter and don't want to be forgiven, then i return to status quo i.e. provide evidence for all your empty claims

kikikikikikiki ... e enter well well

[s]

TAO11:


Hahahaha

You proved my point again ... e pain u well well

Ooni of Ife is a god to Oba of Benin (Fact ... I have demonstrated that again and again on this thread)
I had actually forgiven you that I wont request evidence from you'll to support your empty claims.

But now that you're feeling bitter and don't want to be forgiven, then i return to status quo i.e. provide evidence for all your empty claims

kikikikikikiki ... e enter well well

[/s]


How can a slave be a god to a KING?




USEless ooni even bowed to saraki , ooni the houseboy

PrinceOgun:
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How can a slave be a god to a KING?




USEless ooni even bowed to saraki , ooni the houseboy

O boy see painment ...

Pls don't get me wrong, I am not saying you're sane ... of course i know you're not.

So, i wont be surprised to see you write incoherent stuffs.

But whenever u come to ur senses, think about the fact that:

A dynasty all the way from Ife came to Igodomigodo, scrapped the indeginous dynasty (the Ogiso dynasty), replaced it with its own (the Oba dynasty)

And then gave a rule that only his descendants should be made king going forward and that the previous rulers should never smell the throne.

That has remained till today and forever, your ancestors can not be king in Benin, the best they can be is to act as slave (and carry the royal sword) for the Yoruba kings of Benin.

So, if you're not from the Oba family in Benin, then you and your ancestors are slaves to the Ife royalty which came to rule and is still ruling over you.

And if you're from the Oba family, then the best you can be is to be subordinate to the Ife throne which produced your ancestors.

Pls send my regards to that young man from the Ogiso dynasty that usually carry the royal sword behind the Yoruba dynasty king.

[s]

TAO11:



O boy see painment ...

Pls don't get me wrong, I am not saying you're sane ... of course i know you're not.

So, i wont be surprised to see you write incoherent stuffs.

But whenever u come to ur senses, think about the fact that:

A dynasty all the way from Ife came to Igodomigodo, scrapped the indeginous dynasty (the Ogiso dynasty), replaced it with its own (the Oba dynasty)

And then gave a rule that only his descendants should be made king going forward and that the previous rulers should never smell the throne.

That has remained till today and forever, your ancestors can not be king in Benin, the best they can be is to act as slave (and carry the royal sword) for the Yoruba kings of Benin.

So, if you're not from the Oba family in Benin, then you and your ancestors are slaves to the Ife royalty which came to rule and is still ruling over you.

And if you're from the Oba family, then the best you can be is to be subordinate to the Ife throne which produced your ancestors.

Pls send my regards to that young man from the Ogiso dynasty that usually carry the royal sword behind the Yoruba dynasty king.

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U must be high on stinky ewudu to write all dat super story and still came off with no sense

The fact still remains yorubas alongzide your uselezz worthtlezs ooni still Are slaves to Edos forever as long as u all still worship n sock the cockk of oduduwa the benin prince

Happy cocky socking desendant of slaves

PrinceOgun:
[s][/s]

U must be high on stinky ewudu to write all dat super story and still came off with no sense

The fact still remains yorubas alongzide your uselezz worthtlezs ooni still Are slaves to Edos forever as long as u all still worship n sock the cockk of oduduwa the benin prince

Happy cocky socking desendant of slaves

Oduduwa a Benin Prince?

Well untill u provide evidence to prove ur case then ur statement is as factual as "Mr Spell's" spellings.

Notice how u couldn't deny anything of what i wrote above

i.e. how the Ifes enslaved ur Ogiso ancestors from the days of Oranmiyan/Eweka till today and forever.

E pain u ... I know

TAO11:



Hello,

You are trying too hard to prove to me that u have a job ... cos i didnt ask you for that, i asked you for evidence to support your empty claims.

Well FYI, I don't care that you dont have a job.

You ranted almost endlessly about how Benin is the Federal Capital of heaven.

You got a challenge to provide ur evidence, it was then u realized u should change d topic and beg everyone to believe u that u truly have a job ... how did u even get to such topic?

Open a thread about jobs etc. and rant there accordingly.

Nonsense

Your joblessness has led to a debilitating insanity!

ogbonti:




Your joblessness has led to a debilitating insanity!

yen yen yen ...

e pain am

TAO11:



yen yen yen ...

e pain am

Your very condition! Pain & suffering for Ooni

ogbonti:




Your very condition! Pain & suffering for Ooni

what is this one typing?

I'd give u a summary of our exchange so far, then u tell me if u think u're not stupid ...


You: Oduduwa is a Benin prince and Oba of Benin is greter than Ooni [without evidence, proof, or reason]


Me: I refuted ur claim [with evidence, proof, or reason]


You: U repeated ur claim [again, without evidence, proof, or evidence].


Me: Substantiate ur empty claim with evidence, proof, or reason.


You: I have a job, Ooni is suffering, etc...



How does your last response fit into the discussion? So, I think u really need to prove to everyone that u're sane (which I know that u ain't).

Don't get me wrong pls, I knew from d outset that u're not sane, I'm simply making it plain to u, perhaps that's d right step in d direction of ur healing.

Cry Baby, please be well ...