Martinez19:
Pathetic liar.

Originakalokalo:




I said....IF THESE CAN BE PROVEN....

I have seen those cases I mentioned....

Let me add this, An Asp was shot. He brought all the bullets.... and I saw them with my naked eyes...

I just told you the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Are you an atheist?

You should be worried.

I tell you.

Originakalokalo:




I said....IF THESE CAN BE PROVEN....

I have seen those cases I mentioned....

Let me add this, An Asp was shot. He brought all the bullets.... and I saw them with my naked eyes...

I just told you the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Are you an atheist?

You should be worried.

I tell you.

Martinez19:
Pathetic liar

Rockyrascal:
Sometimes I just look up to the firmaments and say there is truly a supreme God

Originakalokalo:

If the Following can be Proven, then atheists Should Be worried About their Belief.°

Existence of powers like juju, blood money, fortifications against bullets,

disappearing from one location to another and other activities that transcends physical abilities.

Let me share some Examples of Cases that defile physical laws..As an eye witness.

1. someone being flogged in the dream and there are marks all over the body when the person wakes up...This is more than just a dream and I have seen this one firsthand....she was my girlfriend back in school.

2. . Someone was shot in the dream after he got promoted in the office....six months after the dream, he could not go to his office

...and when "special prayers" and baths were done for him, some local bullets dropped off his body....( I have seen this too, firsthand.)

3. This one is funny. An aboki was fighting a man from Ogun state on the ist of January of a particular year..

.It involved a family friend and I was in the house at the time...

The aboki took an iron rod to hit my friend's uncle ...he moved back and entered his car, slipped a ring on his finger, and tap the aboki on the head .. .

Then the aboki fell down flat...he stood up and fell again...this time, he was shaking violently on the floor...

People ran away.....this uncle then approached the aboki and tap his slightly on the chest....the guy stood up, got his balance...

and left. It almost degenerated into a street fight.

If these activities can be proven, then they supports the existence of another realm that is unseen....which can influence the physical world.

That realm is spiritual.... and there must be laws to enforce order in that realm...else there will be chaos and things will Fall apart

Now, if there is order in the spiritual world, it must be put inplace and enforced by a ruler who has ultimate power(God) ...

else, a spirit may just decide to destroy a whole country in seconds..

The ground may be poisoned and all the produce becomes poison....and everyone dies..

Take a look at the physical world.... Laws of matter, gravity, light etc ensure sustainability....

These laws keep everything in cycle and ensures continuity.... Else, a creator will have to be creating every second...

The moment these laws cease to exist, there will be trouble. Engineers produce engines to work in cycles...

to an extent for continuity.

The creator of the heavens and earth is not stupid...

Laws of rotation and revolution brings day and night and seasons and weather. He doesn't have to declare them into existence every time these phenomena are needed.

In conclusion,

If there are powers that suggest the existence of a realm outside the physical,

There is God....

Martinez19:
Pathetic liar

johnydon22:


Worried? No. That is idiotic. If the basis for a lack of belief is proven to be true, one doesn't need to be worried, simply change your mind and agree.

this will in no way affect the atheist argument. Atheism is the unbelief in God(s). As far as we know, these listed things are not God(s). They are people who believe these stuffs but not in God and that is just what atheism is about.

Nope. At all. These are proof of themselves not God.


Actually No. Humans don't know more than 10% of the natural world and that is not enough ground to determine what it can or what it cannot do.

You have not the slightly idea what is achievable under the cosmos, you don't even understand quater of how it works. How dare you assume to know what can be achieved under cosmological permissibility.

And by the way, I think all your stories are above are such nonsense.

No. It is not. You are just making a wild assumption thinking you have any slightest foundation to assume what the natural world is capable of or not.

No. Another wild assumption. That is also like saying that for the natural realm to exist it needs an ultimate power God. That is just absolute nonsense.

If there is such a thing as spiritual realm which in my own idea I'd simply call an extra dimension of the natural realm, it still wouldn't require any God.

Even if there are spirits and I don't think there is such thing. They apparently don't possess such abilities. Stop watching nollywood. Come back to reality, you sound like a kid.

You can actually do this



No.

johnydon22:
he isn't necessarily lying. He just have to believe he did.

Martinez19:
True. His first post made it sound like he saw, live, a man being shot and the bullets didn't penetrate. I branded him dishonest but his reply to me shows that his first post is an exaggeration of baseless conclusion.

Martinez19:
Pathetic liar.

CAPSLOCKED:


HE COULD BE HONEST ABOUT WITNESSING THE THINGS HE MENTIONED. BUT FOR ME TO BELIEVE I HAVE TO ALSO WITNESS THEM MYSELF, IN A SOBER STATE.

SECONDLY, I WANT HIM TO KNOW THAT EVEN IF THERE'S A SPIRITUAL REALM CONTROLLED BY A SPIRITUAL MAN WHO CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH, THERE'S NO AVAILABLE EVIDENCE THAT SUGGESTES THAT THIS SO CALLED CREATOR MAN IS YAHWEH, THE GOD OF THE JEWISH MYTH.

AGAIN, IF THERE'S ANYTHING OUT THERE IN CHARGE OF THE ACTIVITIES OF THE UNIVERSE, I BELIEVE HE HASN'T TRIED TO CONTACT US AND DOESN'T WANT TO BE CONTACTED EITHER. HE DOESN'T NEED OUR 10% MONTHLY, OR BECOMES ANGRY ANYTIME I TOUCH MY GENĮTALS. HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OUR PRAYERS AND FASTINGS AS WELL BECAUSE AS WE ALL KNOW, 2 ANTS WORKING WILL ACHIEVE MORE THAN A MILLION HUMANS SAYING PRAYERS.

BELIEVING THERE'S A THING OR PERSON OUT THERE WHO RUNS THE WORLD IS NOT A PROBLEM TO ME.
BUT BELIEVING THIS THING OR PERSON IS YOUR OWN GOD FROM YOUR HOLY BOOK, WHO I SHOULD ALSO BELIEVE IN OR ELSE I'M DOOMED, IS SOMETHING I'VE GOT REAL ISSUES WITH.

hakeem4:
Why don’t you take this your paranormal activities to Randy James and win a million dollar

Martinez19:
True. His first post made it sound like he saw, live, a man being shot and the bullets didn't penetrate. I branded him dishonest but his reply to me shows that his first post is an exaggeration of baseless conclusion.

Originakalokalo:


I can't force my belief on you I can only try to convince you....

.The reason why I cannot force my Christian belief on you is because you have to confess with your mouth....AND BELIEVE IN YOUR HEART.

That is Christianity. That's why we cannot force you or kill you because you don't accept it.



Peace.

CAPSLOCKED:


YOU CAN'T KILL ME, THAT'S JUST BECAUSE THE LAW OF NIGERIA FORBIDS IT. THAT'S WHY YOU THREATEN ME WITH SUFFERING, DEATH, AND HELL. THERE ARE PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO DISLIKE ME BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE I'M THE DEVIL, JUST BECAUSE I DON'T SUBSCRIBE TO THEIR NONSENSE.

THERE WAS A TIME IT WAS LEGAL FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU TO KILL PEOPLE LIKE ME, AND YOU KILLED MASS!

LordReed:
One thing I have noticed with the claims of juju and whatnot is there is always a physical agent involved. All that talk of remote control is nonsense. The ones people see and recognise always have a physical agent present eg the ring in your story, could be a fast acting nerve agent that dissipates in minutes but you believe it's spirits at work. Lunacy we have found out is be stuff affecting the brain. All those so called occult people could easily be hiding knowledge of substances with devastating effects but because they know that once those secrets are out, nobody will fear their "mysterious" powers any more, they build huge "keep off" signs with rituals and mystical nonsense.

I am daring anybody who has any mystical power, to stay where he is and tell me what effect he can do to me now, let's see how powerful your mystical nonsense is.

Originakalokalo:


Nerve agent from a babalawo?

Demons are real. Supernatural powers are real.

God exits.

Go to a genuine dibia, or a spiritual guru and ask him if there is God Almighty.

These spiritualists will never say there is no God.

LordReed:


LoL! Yeah maybe god has exited. LMFAO!

Seriously though is that any concrete practical way you can demonstrate the so called spirit realm? If I drop a pen now, it falls, demonstrating gravity. Can you demonstrate your spirit realm in such a practical way?

Originakalokalo:

If the Following can be Proven, then atheists Should Be worried About their Belief.

Existence of powers like juju, blood money, fortifications against bullets,

disappearing from one location to another and other activities that transcends physical abilities.

Let me share some Examples of Cases that defile physical laws..As an eye witness.

1. someone being flogged in the dream and there are marks all over the body when the person wakes up...This is more than just a dream and I have seen this one firsthand....she was my girlfriend back in school.

2. . Someone was shot in the dream after he got promoted in the office....six months after the dream, he could not go to his office

...and when "special prayers" and baths were done for him, some local bullets dropped off his body....( I have seen this too, firsthand.)

3. This one is funny. An aboki was fighting a man from Ogun state on the ist of January of a particular year..

.It involved a family friend and I was in the house at the time...

The aboki took an iron rod to hit my friend's uncle ...he moved back and entered his car, slipped a ring on his finger, and tap the aboki on the head .. .

Then the aboki fell down flat...he stood up and fell again...this time, he was shaking violently on the floor...

People ran away.....this uncle then approached the aboki and tap his slightly on the chest....the guy stood up, got his balance...

and left. It almost degenerated into a street fight.

If these activities can be proven, then they supports the existence of another realm that is unseen....which can influence the physical world.

That realm is spiritual.... and there must be laws to enforce order in that realm...else there will be chaos and things will Fall apart

Now, if there is order in the spiritual world, it must be put inplace and enforced by a ruler who has ultimate power(God) ...

else, a spirit may just decide to destroy a whole country in seconds..

The ground may be poisoned and all the produce becomes poison....and everyone dies..


Take a look at the physical world.... Laws of matter, gravity, light etc ensure sustainability....

These laws keep everything in cycle and ensures continuity.... Else, a creator will have to be creating every second...

The moment these laws cease to exist, there will be trouble. Engineers produce engines to work in cycles...

to an extent for continuity.

The creator of the heavens and earth is not stupid...

Laws of rotation and revolution brings day and night and seasons and weather. He doesn't have to declare them into existence every time these phenomena are needed.

In conclusion,

If there are powers that suggest the existence of a realm outside the physical,

There is God....

Krystalzkris:
Who Fvcking Gave you data?

Originakalokalo:


Nerve agent from a babalawo?

Don't dare devils and demons.... They are not merciful.


Demons are real. Supernatural powers are real.

God exits.

Go to a genuine dibia, or a spiritual guru and ask him if there is God Almighty.

These spiritualists will never say there is no God.

Originakalokalo:


Demonstrate Spiritual real in a practical way?


Do you want me to repeat myself?

All activities that are beyond physical, like those ones I mentioned at the start of this thread,prove that there is another realm....called the spiritual realm.

We are done here sir...

Peace.