CAPSLOCKED:
LOUDER!!

NPComplete:
If anyone has a counter argument with proof, I will like to hear it.

NPComplete:
Ihedinobi3 my guy.
You have dribbled. But unfortunately you couldn't score. Even in the bible we heard of Joseph who was able to forestall famine in the land of Egypt because of the gift of God. We know of Daniel and his 3 friends who far exceeded expectations in wisdom because of God's hand upon them.
Now the new testament is supposed to be about an even greater covenant and ability to do greater things than Jesus did. So I ask you, Ihedinobi, can you tell me with a straight face that u are even able to do half of what Jesus did?
Paul himself with the Holy spirit was able to tell that Ananias and his wife were lying. I am sure with that same power, he could have easily located Chibok girls, tell us where Shekau is hiding and expose ISIS. So don't come here and lie that Christianity is not about signs and wonders. That is a blatant attempt at shirking responsibility.
The question is why is it that modern Christians cannot move a pebble never mind mountains?

NPComplete:
Ihedinobi3 my guy.
You have dribbled. But unfortunately you couldn't score. Even in the bible we heard of Joseph who was able to forestall famine in the land of Egypt because of the gift of God. We know of Daniel and his 3 friends who far exceeded expectations in wisdom because of God's hand upon them.
Now the new testament is supposed to be about an even greater covenant and ability to do greater things than Jesus did. So I ask you, Ihedinobi, can you tell me with a straight face that u are even able to do half of what Jesus did?
Paul himself with the Holy spirit was able to tell that Ananias and his wife were lying. I am sure with that same power, he could have easily located Chibok girls, tell us where Shekau is hiding and expose ISIS. So don't come here and lie that Christianity is not about signs and wonders. That is a blatant attempt at shirking responsibility.
The question is why is it that modern Christians cannot move a pebble never mind mountains?

NPComplete:
Ihedinobi3 my guy.
You have dribbled. But unfortunately you couldn't score. Even in the bible we heard of Joseph who was able to forestall famine in the land of Egypt because of the gift of God. We know of Daniel and his 3 friends who far exceeded expectations in wisdom because of God's hand upon them.
Now the new testament is supposed to be about an even greater covenant and ability to do greater things than Jesus did. So I ask you, Ihedinobi, can you tell me with a straight face that u are even able to do half of what Jesus did?
Paul himself with the Holy spirit was able to tell that Ananias and his wife were lying. I am sure with that same power, he could have easily located Chibok girls, tell us where Shekau is hiding and expose ISIS. So don't come here and lie that Christianity is not about signs and wonders. That is a blatant attempt at shirking responsibility.
The question is why is it that modern Christians cannot move a pebble never mind mountains?

bloodofthelamb:


It is one to have something and it is another thing to know how to used the thing you have. The Spirit is a gift given to us freely through Christ, but only few know how to manifest the power lying dormant in them.

NPComplete:
Can anyone read through the wall of text Ihedinobi just posted and help me locate his point? The guy has a proclivity for rambling and writing so much text without actually addressing anything.

Dude u aren't making sense. You just mentioned a lot of names and stated that Elisha died after many miracles. As if my argument was that they shouldn't die. Please learn to address the point. At least Elisha performed miracles. Which one have u done with all your claims to the Holy spirit? That is my point. Show me the proof or just keep quiet.

Little wonder people are wary of engaging you.

NPComplete:
Over the years I have always maintained that nobody has the Holy Spirit. Not even your pastor, not your prophet and not even you. Most times it is just a hunch that zealous Christians, needing to convince themselves that they are special, call the Holy spirit. The events of the past week with Oyedepo and his egregious intellectual incompetence has convinced me to double down on that opinion.

I have maintained that if you do a thorough scientific research of the life of the average Christian screaming about having the holy spirit and compare it with the average Muslim, Buddhist and atheist, u will find almost no difference in the results they have been able to achieve. How is it possible that one claiming to carry the power and spirit of the creator of the universe does on average achieve the same result as one who doesn't? Only one possible conclusion can be drawn from that. Either anyone can have the Holy spirit regardless of religion or no one does.

The Holy spirit is supposed to be the spirit of God. The spiritual embodiment of infinite power and intelligence. We supposedly have that much power possessing numerous Christians in Nigeria yet we have nothing to show for it. Something must be wrong somewhere. If I am possessed by the spirit of Einstein, at the very least I should become good at theoretical physics. If someone becomes possessed by the spirit of Magnus Carlsen someday, at least we should expect that the person becomes very good chess.

So what have Nigerian Christians with their claims of Holy spirit achieved?

Nigeria is where it is today and Africa is being ravaged by droughts, famine and HIV today yet we are unable to come up with solutions to them despite the number of people literally carrying God inside them. Why? With that much access to the creator of the universe, one would think that any of these people would have found innovative solutions to these problems that no one has seen or ever thought of.

Oyedepo was in church reading out satire like a real story and making claims on it. At no time during that self-deprecating episode did the Holy Spirit in him whisper to him and say "hey dude, this is satire". Shouldn't the Holy spirit know something as simple as that? Anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see that save for Oyedepo and the spirit inside him. Later I read somewhere about him predicting or saying something about 2019. How can we believe he sees the future when he can't even see what is in front of him?

It seems the only time the Holy spirit works is when pastors want to collect money from you. That's when you hear them claiming "I am being moved my the spirit to raise an offering". But solutions to real practical problems can never be given to them by the spirit.

Lastly, the sheer amount of dumb Christians running around is enough sign that none of these people have any spirit inside them let alone the Holy one. If I am smarter than you are then you don't have the Holy spirit since I can't be smarter than God.

So Christians should stop blaspheming against God and dragging Him into any decision they make. We all know most of those decisions don't always come out right anyway.

Ihedinobi3:

LOL.

Is that the reason that YOU don't engage me? Nice. As it is, I don't come to Nairaland looking for engagement. I only note behaviors like yours in order to always remind you that you don't truly care about the truth. You are here to bully Christians and you turn tail and run when any one of us really stands up to you.

As for what I said, you gave a list of five people who you believed were the correct examples of what being filled with the Spirit of God should be like. My answer was to give you a list of even more people who were equally believers who were not as remarkable as those ones you mentioned. Then I also explained that if indeed it was a matter of this world, that is, that having the Spirit of God should make us great in this world, then...

• someone like Elisha who raised the dead ought never to have died himself;

• Abraham who was God's friend too ought to have been much more remarkable;

• Joseph should have been able to simply command to have his body buried wherever he wanted;

• Daniel should have been able to awe Nebuchadnezzar into leaving his friends alone.

As long as we are following your logic, these things ought to have happened. But the Bible is clear that that is not what having the Spirit of God is about. Believers have a completely different reality to deal with for which their need for the Holy Spirit is simply without doubt and that is where the operation of this tremendous Gift from God is most clearly recognizable.

To illustrate...

• I have been growing spiritually with the invaluable Help of the Holy Spirit.

• Without Him, I would not even begin to understand much that I have been taught in the last fourteen months or so.

• And without Him I most certainly would not be able to handle all the challenges that you and your ilk have been throwing at my Faith.

• Not to mention the challenges that the devil has been throwing at me independent of your own efforts too on a daily.

To get from initial Faith to full maturity and then survive the tests of spiritual maturity and go on to fulfill ministry in this evil life is not beans. If it was, you wouldn't be talking about Oyedepo. You would be very wary of challenging Christians at all because just opening your mouth in the presence of one might fetch you incredible embarrassment. Many Christians are not bothering with spiritual growth precisely because it is very hard indeed. In fact, some of them dropped out of the program entirely to become atheists and begin to harass their former fellow soldiers. This is what the Holy Spirit continues to help me with. Having Him is why I have confidence that when the Tribulation begins in a few short years, I will be ready for it.

Now, are you going to complain about another wall of text in another reasonably paragraphed post or are you actually going to bother to give intelligent objections (since being intelligent is such a big deal to you)?

spongeisback:
Oga are you a Christian or a Jew? What in the name of Neptune are you rambling about Elisha, Abraham, Joseph and Daniel? You don't even understand the religion you're trying to defend.

The Holy Spirit was sent to the disciples after Jesus ascended. So why're you talking about those that lived before then?

No wonder you all are so confused. Mixing and matching any part of the bible to suit your immediate need.

dalaman:


Forget that one, he's the most confused rambler that I know here. He just writes long and meaningless epistles just to explain absurdity away. He doesn't even believe in the nonsense he claims he believes in. Jesus in the bible we are told mentioned signs that his followers will have and abilities they will also posses, so that unbelievers will see and believe, yet he is all blabbing and talking all over the place. The guy is just a ridiculous joke.

spongeisback:
Oga are you a Christian or a Jew? What in the name of Neptune are you rambling about Elisha, Abraham, Joseph and Daniel? You don't even understand the religion you're trying to defend.

The Holy Spirit was sent to the disciples after Jesus ascended. So why're you talking about those that lived before then?

No wonder you all are so confused. Mixing and matching any part of the bible to suit your immediate need.

NPComplete:


I swear. That guy dey ramble. Something wey go just take 2 sentences, my guy go write essay on top. The reason he does that is because he knows he has no point so he tries as much as possible to use a verbiage of words to compensate for his lack of substance.

Me don ignore the guy.

dalaman:


Forget that one, he's the most confused rambler that I know here. He just writes long and meaningless epistles just to explain absurdity away. He doesn't even believe in the nonsense he claims he believes in. Jesus in the bible we are told mentioned signs that his followers will have and abilities they will also posses, so that unbelievers will see and believe, yet he is all blabbing and talking all over the place. The guy is just a ridiculous joke.

Ihedinobi3:

Claims are always easy to make. It's always the proving that is hard. Isn't that why you cannot actually address arguments I make, dalaman?

dalaman:


You don't make arguments, you just talk off point addressing things people don't even talk about.

dalaman:
When you are challenged you always claim people misunderstand you.

dalaman:
Which arguments are you making in this post?

dalaman:
The OP has made his point. Christians claim they have a part of God which they call the holy spirit but we are et to see them do anything or solve any problem using this holy spirit at all. Your own argument to this is what? What is the use of the Holy spirt if it can not be used to solve basic problems? How can you claim.to have God living inside you but yet you know and can do nothing?

Ihedinobi3:

LOL. And he goes and makes even more claims. I could also claim that you can never make a complete sentence when you decide to write here. Would my saying so make it true?



LOL. You went and dug up Logicboy's old mantra? Can you prove it any better than he can? Also, if I do claim that I have been misunderstood, have I failed to demonstrate how at any point?



They are all right there ready for refutation if you can manage it.



This is just unfortunate. This answer right here is just really unfortunate.

My very first post answered his arguments. He too knows it because he said as much. The problem was that he didn't quite realize that I had already scored - which is why he took off running and complaining about walls of text when it was only Truth that scared him, Truth which himself knows quite well although he thought his great intellect would protect him from it.

So, dalaman, go and read my first post - and the ones that followed as well.

dalaman:


Your first post was just riddled with falsehoods, no wonder he didn't want to engage you any further.

For example you claim that:

"What the Holy Spirit was given to believers for is to enable us to fight through an increasingly hostile world to get to the marvelous rewards of the world to come, not to prove that we are better at doing the things of this life than unbelievers whose world this is anyway".

The bible always talks about Christians being able to do greater things than the unbelievers because they have the spirit of God in them. No where in the bible does it say that Christians will be less than unbelievers in doing exploits. The bible that even says Christians shall do greater things than what Jesus did. Then you conclude that the world belongs to unbelievers. Something that isn't even written anywhere inside the bible. Shown me where it says that the earth belongs to unbelievers. The bible in many places clearly states that the earth belongs to God. You just go about with empty claims and when people fail to address them because of how off you've gone you run around claiming Victory. Your arguments are very boring sincerely speaking that'swhy I don't like engaging you myself.

dalaman:


Your first post was just riddled with falsehoods, no wonder he didn't want to engage you any further.

For example you claim that:

"What the Holy Spirit was given to believers for is to enable us to fight through an increasingly hostile world to get to the marvelous rewards of the world to come, not to prove that we are better at doing the things of this life than unbelievers whose world this is anyway".

The bible always talks about Christians being able to do greater things than the unbelievers because they have the spirit of God in them. No where in the bible does it say that Christians will be less than unbelievers in doing exploits. The bible that even says Christians shall do greater things than what Jesus did. Then you conclude that the world belongs to unbelievers. Something that isn't even written anywhere inside the bible. Shown me where it says that the earth belongs to unbelievers. The bible in many places clearly states that the earth belongs to God. You just go about with empty claims and when people fail to address them because of how off you've gone you run around claiming Victory. Your arguments are very boring sincerely speaking that'swhy I don't like engaging you myself.

dalaman:


Your first post was just riddled with falsehoods, no wonder he didn't want to engage you any further.

For example you claim that:

"What the Holy Spirit was given to believers for is to enable us to fight through an increasingly hostile world to get to the marvelous rewards of the world to come, not to prove that we are better at doing the things of this life than unbelievers whose world this is anyway".

The bible always talks about Christians being able to do greater things than the unbelievers because they have the spirit of God in them. No where in the bible does it say that Christians will be less than unbelievers in doing exploits. The bible that even says Christians shall do greater things than what Jesus did. Then you conclude that the world belongs to unbelievers. Something that isn't even written anywhere inside the bible. Shown me where it says that the earth belongs to unbelievers. The bible in many places clearly states that the earth belongs to God. You just go about with empty claims and when people fail to address them because of how off you've gone you run around claiming Victory. Your arguments are very boring sincerely speaking that'swhy I don't like engaging you myself.

Nosu:


The Holyspirit was not given to us so that we can be better than the unbeliever in earthly gain but was given to us so that we can effectively witness Christ to the world.

Acts 1:8 New International Version (NIV)
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

Ihedinobi3:

Excellent response, dear friend. Grace be with you.