frank317:


U should learn from him... His answer is direct and apt. The same thing he said was what u failed to deliver I. Ur long episode.

Meanwhile... The holy spirit is for u guys to witness Christ. Its not really doing its job. If the holy spirit helps u witness Christ does it even add any value to the whole witness process? If yes what's that value... Or it just helps u witness for witness sake?

Agrogbeide:
Good day Mr OP@NPcomplete.
By the special Grace of the Almighty God I am a born again Christian and proud to be his second begotten and
among His children through our Savior Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Sir, if I deny the fact that I don't understand what you stated above I have no truth in me and proved myself a liar.

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth and He alone is the mystery behind all mysteries, secret behind all secrets and the wisdom behind all wisdom. The essence of the Holy Spirit in us as Christians is to LIVE THE EXACT LIFE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST IN WISDOM, POWER, FAITH, LOVE AND MERCY WHILE HE WAS ON EARTH CARRYING THE BODY OF SIN OR FLESH.

Most Christians know at least little or nothing about the HOLY SPIRIT THAT INDWELLS EACH AND EVERY CHRISTIANS and that's the reason many of them don't function the way they ought to. Not only today's Christians but we also found out that the Corinthian and Galatian Christians in the Holy Bible were once engaged in this mess.

The SOLE reason why the Christians of today are still IN HYPOCRISY AND MEDOCRITY is because they don't know that THE HOLY SPIRIT INDWELLS THEM and as a result of this fact majority of Christians are into the WORKS AND AFFAIRS OF THE FLESH.

You cannot be a friend of the World as a Christian and also be a child of God at the same time and this is the reason I love this kind of arguments you just raised up, the Freethinkers, Atheists, Muslims and other unbelievers who are used by Satan to caused problem to the Body of Christ on the NEGATIVE SIDE but helping Christians to WAKE UP AND GET OUT OF THE AFFAIRS OF THE FLESH AND STICK TO THE HOLY SPIRIT ON THE POSITIVE SIDE.

The men of old in the old testament like Abraham, Noah, Samuel, Elijah, Elisha, Joseph, Daniel, Shedrach, Meshach, Abednego etc. were able to perform wonders by the help and comfort of the Holy Spirit even under the law except for Abraham and Joseph who were not under the law as stated above because they focus on the Lord God Almighty and on Him alone. This men have been able to gain mastery with the Holy Spirit and possess a momentum that was far above the works of the flesh and the affairs of the world and this is the simple reason they were called GREAT.

You even find out that Jesus Christ at the age of 12 posseses a wisdom that was even above the wisdom of the wise among the Pharisees and other scribes. Others like Apostle Paul, Apostle Peter, Apostle John also possess same characters of Christ Jesus. This shows that one with the Holy Spirit ought to be above the world because we are the light of the world and the salt of the earth.
Even Jesus Christ promise us that we can be able to do greater works when the Holy Spirit will come and indwells us because we are under GRACE. But you find out that majority of Christians have not been able to meet up to this expectation because most are into the WORKS AND ACTIVITIES OF THE FLESH.

Since most Christians still put FRESH WINE INTO OLD WINE SKIN which ought not to be, we will not be able to function as Christ Jesus to bring men into the light from darkness even when the Holy Spirit indwells us.

However other Christians that have been received dealing from God through the Holy Spirit have been able to change Atheists, Muslims, Freethinkers etc to the Lord Jesus Christ through signs and wonders, power and miracles even though you have not heard of them.

And so, we Christians should come as one body that we are and move in the direction of the Holy Spirit and prove to the world that yes the Holy Spirit is in us and working through us in order to bring men into the light of God which is the Lord Jesus Christ.

Again, we Christians are not after the so called greatness of this world, the fame, the riches etc because they are temporal and nothing compared to the eternal greatness that is waiting for us after this life.
However in whatever way the Holy Spirit leads us whether in Politics like Joseph, Daniel, Esther or in Military like Gideon, Samson or as a tax collector like Zacchaeus etc in greatness, fame, riches or nothing, our major goal is to lead men to the Lord Jesus Christ who is a PERFECT REST FOR MANKIND.

So in essence Mr OP@NPcomplete we as Christians can't live up to the expectation of Christ Jesus and more than as you have stated above even above the average unbeliever if we continue to get entangle in the AFFAIRS AND WORKS OF THE FLESH AND THEREBY REFUSING TO BE LED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT IN THE WAY, TRUTH AND LIFE OF CHRIST JESUS OUR LORD AND ALSO IN SIGNS, WONDERS, POWER AND MIRACLES.

Sir, you too can even do more than the great men in the Holy Bible if you allow the Holy Spirit to lead you because He alone can reveal all the truth you need on earth not Me, Apostle Paul, Apostle Peter or Apostle John because the HOLY SPIRIT IS THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH AND WE RECEIVED HIM BY FAITH AND FAITH ALONE.
And should in case you are not born again better do so and give your life to Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior because our time here on earth is far spent.

May God continue to bestow His Grace, Love and Mercy through the Holy Spirit so that the eyes of men will find, see and abide in the Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.

Hope I was not sentimental or biased.

Thanks.

God bless you.

frank317:


U should learn from him... His answer is direct and apt. The same thing he said was what u failed to deliver I. Ur long episode.

Meanwhile... The holy spirit is for u guys to witness Christ. Its not really doing its job. If the holy spirit helps u witness Christ does it even add any value to the whole witness process? If yes what's that value... Or it just helps u witness for witness sake?

Freh:

How far but the Holy spirit is supposed to lead the newly born ignorant Christian into all truth. So it doesn't make sense that someone has the Holy spirit and they cannot use it or are ignorant.
Also part of the new covenant as seen from Ezekiel 36:26 is that I will put my law in you and remove the heart of stone and put my spirit in you. From Acts of the apostles anytime the holy spirit came there was an almost immediate deification of the individual in question. He begins to live on another realm.
My argument today is not the Holy Spirit's authenticity but that most Nigerians if not all don't have it and simply get a conscience upgrade at most or cower in fear of Hell as a potential future responsible for a perceived change

Freh:

How far but the Holy spirit is supposed to lead the newly born ignorant Christian into all truth. So it doesn't make sense that someone has the Holy spirit and they cannot use it or are ignorant.
Also part of the new covenant as seen from Ezekiel 36:26 is that I will put my law in you and remove the heart of stone and put my spirit in you. From Acts of the apostles anytime the holy spirit came there was an almost immediate deification of the individual in question. He begins to live on another realm.
My argument today is not the Holy Spirit's authenticity but that most Nigerians if not all don't have it and simply get a conscience upgrade at most or cower in fear of Hell as a potential future responsible for a perceived change

Agrogbeide:
Good morning bro,
Please the post you quoted go back to it but this time read it slowly and gently. I pray you catch up with the Holy Spirit and Him alone can reveal the truth you seek.
God bless you.

Freh:

How far but the Holy spirit is supposed to lead the newly born ignorant Christian into all truth. So it doesn't make sense that someone has the Holy spirit and they cannot use it or are ignorant.
Also part of the new covenant as seen from Ezekiel 36:26 is that I will put my law in you and remove the heart of stone and put my spirit in you. From Acts of the apostles anytime the holy spirit came there was an almost immediate deification of the individual in question. He begins to live on another realm.
My argument today is not the Holy Spirit's authenticity but that most Nigerians if not all don't have it and simply get a conscience upgrade at most or cower in fear of Hell as a potential future responsible for a perceived change

Nosu:


That is what you think and you have a right to your opinion.

You guys are just out to make trouble. If You a christian, we would have had a better discussion.

You don't believe in the christian faith, and your aim is to cause confusion.

The Holyspirit is doing is Job and even doing much more.

John 14: 16 - 17

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

This scripture speaks for himself, you can't see him or know him, so how can your opinion be right.

Ihedinobi3:

SMH.

So, how did I not fail to deliver or have you brought your lies here with you again?

What is the Holy Spirit's job which He is failing to do according to you?

I answered your other questions in my responses to NPComplete and dalaman.

frank317:


That's the problem, ur answers are always lost in ur unnecessary long sermon. Instead of hitting the nail on the head, u try to play smart and talk too much while doing it... To be honest, its boring talking to u.

Work on ur interaction skills.

frank317:


That's the problem, ur answers are always lost in ur unnecessary long sermon. Instead of hitting the nail on the head, u try to play smart and talk too much while doing it... To be honest, its boring talking to u.

Work on ur interaction skills.

Ihedinobi3:

You do have a point in the fact that my answers and comments tend to require work to get through. But the only work involved is in actually reading them, not in understanding them. So, it takes someone who actually is interested in finding good answers to the questions you and others like you ask to read them.

After all, that is how life works: you have to really want something in order to have any chance at getting it. Life doesn't come tailored to our convenience. We have to work for the things we care about. And in this case, my answers may be good or they may be bad but if you don't read them, you cannot tell one way or another. And if you don't read them, you deceive yourself when you claim to be looking for answers to the questions you ask.

Do you really believe that I cannot give short answers to questions?

frank317:


Oga, the question I am asking is very practical... No need quoting the bible and telling me what it said the holy spirit will do. We want to know what it IS doing.

Now God is in three persons, the holy spirit is also God...that's a big claim to make... Isn't it a bit fishy that Christians have God in them but they cannot to any significant thing on earth... All we see are claims claims and claims, nothing to show for it.

You said the holy spirit was given to u to effectively witness Christ to the world... Look around u, how effective are Christians witnessing Christ to the world? In Nigerian where many people claim to have the holy spirit as Christians, the church leaders are in a mess, the people are divided and evil prevails in the land.

What does "effectively witness Christ" really supposed to mean? Does it have another meaning in the bible dictionary?

frank317:


Oga, u mustn't argue about anything... I am telling u ur writeup are both long and the message is usually lost to the reader... Understanding ur work is hard.

Learn to answer questions directly even if u are doing to make it long. Don't get lost trying to play smart, u unconsciously miss the who point to the discussion.

Wonder why most times u are accused of not given needed answers? In almost all ur discuss u must refer to ur earlier post in the long run.

NPComplete:
Over the years I have always maintained that nobody has the Holy Spirit. Not even your pastor, not your prophet and not even you. Most times it is just a hunch that zealous Christians, needing to convince themselves that they are special, call the Holy spirit. The events of the past week with Oyedepo and his egregious intellectual incompetence has convinced me to double down on that opinion.

I have maintained that if you do a thorough scientific research of the life of the average Christian screaming about having the holy spirit and compare it with the average Muslim, Buddhist and atheist, u will find almost no difference in the results they have been able to achieve. How is it possible that one claiming to carry the power and spirit of the creator of the universe does on average achieve the same result as one who doesn't? Only one possible conclusion can be drawn from that. Either anyone can have the Holy spirit regardless of religion or no one does.

The Holy spirit is supposed to be the spirit of God. The spiritual embodiment of infinite power and intelligence. We supposedly have that much power possessing numerous Christians in Nigeria yet we have nothing to show for it. Something must be wrong somewhere. If I am possessed by the spirit of Einstein, at the very least I should become good at theoretical physics. If someone becomes possessed by the spirit of Magnus Carlsen someday, at least we should expect that the person becomes very good chess.

So what have Nigerian Christians with their claims of Holy spirit achieved?

Nigeria is where it is today and Africa is being ravaged by droughts, famine and HIV today yet we are unable to come up with solutions to them despite the number of people literally carrying God inside them. Why? With that much access to the creator of the universe, one would think that any of these people would have found innovative solutions to these problems that no one has seen or ever thought of.

Oyedepo was in church reading out satire like a real story and making claims on it. At no time during that self-deprecating episode did the Holy Spirit in him whisper to him and say "hey dude, this is satire". Shouldn't the Holy spirit know something as simple as that? Anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see that save for Oyedepo and the spirit inside him. Later I read somewhere about him predicting or saying something about 2019. How can we believe he sees the future when he can't even see what is in front of him?

It seems the only time the Holy spirit works is when pastors want to collect money from you. That's when you hear them claiming "I am being moved my the spirit to raise an offering". But solutions to real practical problems can never be given to them by the spirit.

Lastly, the sheer amount of dumb Christians running around is enough sign that none of these people have any spirit inside them let alone the Holy one. If I am smarter than you are then you don't have the Holy spirit since I can't be smarter than God.

So Christians should stop blaspheming against God and dragging Him into any decision they make. We all know most of those decisions don't always come out right anyway.

Nosu:


You keep provoking me with the use of "it" and not "He" when you are referring to the Holy Spirit. if you want us to have a meaningful discussion, you will have to correct that by rephrasing your question even if you have to do that for the basis of this conversation.

If not, I can't have a conversation with someone like you.

And as regarding quoting scripture, You can't stop me from doing that because that is what you are contending against. and the only way to explain the scripture is to allow the scripture to speak for himself.

frank317:


Is this u trying to divert the topic... He or it... Tell me what u want me to refer the holy spirit as... That one no b problem.

The problem i s not that u are quoting the scriptures.. The issue is the same thing u are quoting is what we are challenging. We are asking for a practical example of the quote and instead of giving us a practical example u repeat the quote, how does that make sense?

Therefore I will repeat my question which u deliberately avoided answering;

Now God is in three persons, the holy spirit is also God...that's a big claim to make... Isn't it a bit fishy that Christians have God in them but they cannot to any significant thing on earth... All we see are claims claims and claims, nothing to show for it.

You said the holy spirit was given to u to effectively witness Christ to the world... Look around u, how effective are Christians witnessing Christ to the world? In Nigerian where many people claim to have the holy spirit as Christians, the church leaders are in a mess, the people are divided and evil prevails in the land.

What does "effectively witness Christ" really supposed to mean? Does it have another meaning in the bible dictionary?

NPComplete:


So show me one example of someone using the power. One example with proof not some Christian legend or myth.

NPComplete:


So show me one example of someone using the power. One example with proof not some Christian legend or myth.

bloodofthelamb:


I am an example. Through faith the power of the Spirit of God is made manifest in my life every hour.

I got healed by simply believing and declaring that by his stripes I am healed, without the intake of man made drugs I am. Faith lays hold of what have already being purchased by the suffering and death of Jesus Christ.

NPComplete:


I am also superman. I shoot laser from my eyes and can lift a mountain with my fingers. Lol. Anybody can claim anything. Proving it is another matter.

bloodofthelamb:


I owe you no proof just like just Jesus owed the Devil no proof when he requested that Jesus proves his Sonship by turning a stone to bread.

Heaven knows I am not lying. My conscience is clear and that is all that matters. The just shall live by faith and not by sight. Peace bro!

NPComplete:
Even atheists here can testify to the number of times they recuperated from an ailment without drugs or visiting the hospital. And they didn't need to pray or believe either. So claims about belief healing anyone is worthless.

One guy get small headache now, e pray small and the headache don go the guy begin shout "by his stripes".

Faith Oyedepo was down she ran to hospital were healings actually happens lol. Not even the belief of her husband and every pastor in their company could help her.

Nosu:


I thought you were intentionally doing that. We are good, we can continue.

Have you seem these verses of scripture before and I hope that it will help you understand reasons behind all you have listed;


Psalms 82: 6 - 7

5They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.


Psalms 49 vs 20

Man that is in honour, and understandeth not, is like the beasts that perish.


I am trying my best not to do too much but at the same time make sure that my brethern that we go through this thread can leave with a better understanding and not confusion.

Don't confuse me for a pastor, I am not a pastor. I am just a son of God that love God, and have had a little taste of His grace, love and power.

frank317:


I am really sorry, i fail to see how these bible verses answers my question on what is really the practical duty of the Holyspirit that is also God. you said the holy spirit was given to you to effectively witness Christ... look around you, how effectively are you guys witnessing christ? Nigeria is a perfect Example... men of God that claim to have the holy spirit are battling with living an examplary life. there is nothing i see to show for or as the handiwork of the holyspirt.

the verses u are quoting are a response to a different topic i guess, cause it i see absolutely no relationship with them and my question.

Nosu:


What you have fail to realize is that we have more
church goers than Christians. I don't really think you have met a christian. When you meet one, you will talk differently.

When you touch an insulated container containing hot water and it isn't hot on the outside; should the hot water be regarded as cold ?

Have you seen this scripture before?

Rev 3:15-16)

15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other!
16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.

Rom 12 v 11
11 Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord.

And would have share some other factors with you, but you are not an insider. There are some issue you discuss with a brother/friend that you don't discuss with a acquaintance/stranger.

Regardless of the outcome of this discussion, please be informed that I have lived on both sides of the divide. comparing the two sides, I prefer and I am enjoying this side of the divide and the difference is the Holy spirit.

frank317:


So much excuses and diversion. What is the practical effect of the holyspirit. Your excuse is that I have never seen any Christian before. Isn't that why I questioning? You are actually right... Every person I have seen that is a Christian is actually a hypocritic pretender. That why I think Christianity is a failed religion.

Imagin having everyone around profess Christianity and not a single one of them is a Christian.

I will like to meet u cause u seem to be the only Christian in Nigeria. The bad news u have nothing special to tell me about the holyspirit. If the holyspirit's function is to make u feel good within urself, that's a dumb duty for God in man.

Nosu:


Please live with your conviction and stop trying to understand a reality you don't want to live.

If you ever run into christians like bro Gbile Akanni, Apostle Joshua Selman, strive Masiyiwa, Benny Hinn,just to mention a few. You will understand what the Holy Spirit can do.

frank317:


Oga Christian... U can never tell me any reasonable function of this una Holy spirit. I will bet my right leg.

At best... The holy spirit is the biggest confusionist of all time. Wonder with we have more that 300 christian denominations right here in naija alone? Yet they all have the holy spirit