frosbel2:


You only follow Jesus because the WHITE MAN told you that he is the Messiah - period.

My Scriptures tell me so - period.

frosbel2:


Truth is relative indeed - think about it

Oh I have.

A relative truth is meaningless.

Because for this statement "truth is relative" to be objectively true, it must be absolute.

If it is not absolute then it is not binding to the subject it address therefore false.

It is a self looped idea that eats itself up.

I suggest you think about it too

frosbel2:
Jesus is not the only way to God and Muhammed does
not possess the absolute truth.

Truth to each and everyone of us is relative.

Christianity may be the only way to your god but it is not the way to countless billions of people.

Jesus Christ is a Jewish messiah rejected by the Jews and accepted by Christians. He is not the messiah of the whole world.

The way to God is to be kind to all creatures irrespective of race , culture and creed and to love , forgive and be patient with all mankind and even animals.

The religion being practiced in Nigeria today is chaos at its peak , hence it’s many rotten and disgusting fruits.

Nobody on this earth is going to a heaven or hell because of belief in Jesus , that’s plain false. First off ,these places are myths and secondly it is not in the Power of Jesus to decide who goes where.

So my conclusion - Jesus is not the worlds messiah.

QED

Frosbel2,

Can you read the message below and try to juxtapose it with your post above? Let me know what you understand.

Job 32:7-8 I thought, "Age should speak; advanced in years should teach wisdom." But it is the spirit in a person, the breath of the Almighty, that gives them understanding.

Prov 4:23 Above all else, guard your heart, for everything you do flows from it.

Every individual has a spirit that relates with the Father in heaven. It is this spirit that can relate with and appreciate the Word of the Father in heaven.

When this spirit is active in a person, it connects with Spirit of the Father. It is through this connection that the soul of the individual can be led in the things of the Creator of heaven and earth.

Everything - from his word or inspiration - the Father in heaven wants an individual to know must be channelled through his own Spirit to the spirit if such person. The individual can now make use of the soul to apply the knowledge in this physical world.

Whatever the body does, good or evil, sexual immorality or purity, flows from the soul. A soul ruled by the Spirit of the Father in heaven through the individual's spirit will do the things of the Father.

A soul ruled by wicked spirits will engage in wickedness. You now know why the world is full of wickedness.

The soul of a man directs his body. Whatever a person uses the body to do is directly determined by the soul. The spirit is supposed to instruct the soul.

When the spirit of an individual controls the soul of such an individual, the individual walks in the way of the Father in heaven. The human spirit communicates with its Maker, the Father of the spirits of all flesh, our Father in heaven. Numbers 16:22 & 27:16; Hebrews 12:9.

Also read:

John 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshippers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshippers the Father seeks.

1Cor 6:17 But whoever is united with the Master is one with him in the spirit.

An individual can only commune with the Father in the spirit.

It, therefore, means that without the spirit, an individual is dead to the things of the Father in heaven. Such a person is "soulish" - if can I use the word. Any individual in this state is open to possession and mind control. In this category of spiritually dead people are:

People whose souls have been taken over by evil spirits -whether you call them marine(water) spirits, terrestrial spirits, atmospheric spirits or whatever. They are the mad or mentally sick people.

People who have consciously and willingly yielded their souls to the evil spirits for the purpose of spiritual power (witchcraft). These are the ones who carry out Satan's evil activities in the world. These ones know full well what they are doing. They're are the ones the kingdom of darkness uses to attack the righteous walk of the saints. They are under the curse of the Creator of heaven and earth.

The servants of the Father in heaven have been given power to overcome Satan, the demons and their human agents, however they may present themselves.

frosbel2:
Jesus is not the only way to God and Muhammed does
not possess the absolute truth.

Truth to each and everyone of us is relative.

Christianity may be the only way to your god but it is not the way to countless billions of people.

Jesus Christ is a Jewish messiah rejected by the Jews and accepted by Christians. He is not the messiah of the whole world.

The way to God is to be kind to all creatures irrespective of race , culture and creed and to love , forgive and be patient with all mankind and even animals.

The religion being practiced in Nigeria today is chaos at its peak , hence it’s many rotten and disgusting fruits.

Nobody on this earth is going to a heaven or hell because of belief in Jesus , that’s plain false. First off ,these places are myths and secondly it is not in the Power of Jesus to decide who goes where.

So my conclusion - Jesus is not the worlds messiah.

QED

My dear i heard of your feats while combating atheists years back. They said you were the hero of the theists. Now i dont know your stance anymore...
Frosbel what went wrong? Personal experiences or sheer logic?


Above all i hope you are happy.

Any truth that requires faith to operate it is fake.

Michellekabod:

My dear i heard of your feats while combating atheists years back. They said you were the hero of the theists. Now i dont know your stance anymore...
Frosbel what went wrong? Personal experiences or sheer logic?


Above all i hope you are happy.

Personal experiences and sheer logic - so both :-)

Mind you I am not an atheist.

frosbel2:


Personal experiences and sheer logic - so both :-)

Mind you I am not an atheist.

What are you then?
Can you share such experiences, like hardmirror who opened a thread about his experiences that changed him and also a dude called joseph...
I care to know

frosbel2:


Simple - The only absolute truth there is , is the existence of a God who created all. Everything else as it pertains to religious belief, is relative to our specific culture and tradition and in of itself is not the absolute truth , in the sense that all other beliefs are null and void.

Applying this to Christianity for instance; that Christianity is the only truth there is , is relative to that individual's upbringing, culture or philosophical inclination. It does not mean that Islam, Hinduism or Animism are false - false to Christians based on their supposed 'absolute truth ' perhaps, but true to the adherents.

In summary, Christianity cannot claim that Jesus is the messiah of all mankind , when ;
1. Half of mankind have never heard of the name Jesus
2. Billions reject this statement and worship God in their own way.

I personally think that imposing your belief on others with the threat of punishment is arrogant, cultic and ungodly.

1. So, you believe that there is an absolute truth. That means that you lied before and truth is not relative at all.

2. Is this excerpt from your post an absolute truth too:

"Everything else as it pertains to religious belief, is relative to our specific culture and tradition and in of itself is not the absolute truth , in the sense that all other beliefs are null and void."

3. Regarding your objections to the Bible's claim...

(a) i. In response to #1, even if this were an absolute truth (and you pretty much say that it isn't), what does it have to do with anything?

ii. According to you, this isn't an absolute truth. So it is false for someone out there. So, again, why is it relevant if it can't be believed?

(b) i. In response to #2, again, even if this were an absolute truth (and you say that it isn't), how does it prove that the Lord Jesus is not the Only Way to God?

ii. You say that it isn't an absolute truth, so what's the point of stating it at all?

4. As for your personal thought, why should anybody but you care about what you think since it isn't absolute or objective truth? If I personally think that is is arrogant, 'cultic' and ungodly to not impose your belief on others, in what way is your position better than my assumed one?

Half of mankind have never heard of Jesus? Do you have a proof for this 'fact' ?

Ihedinobi3:

1. So, you believe that there is an absolute truth. That means that you lied before and truth is not relative at all.

2. Is this excerpt from your post an absolute truth too:

"Everything else as it pertains to religious belief, is relative to our specific culture and tradition and in of itself is not the absolute truth , in the sense that all other beliefs are null and void."

3. Regarding your objections to the Bible's claim...

(a) i. In response to #1, even if this were an absolute truth (and you pretty much say that it isn't), what does it have to do with anything?

ii. According to you, this isn't an absolute truth. So it is false for someone out there. So, again, why is it relevant if it can't be believed?

(b) i. In response to #2, again, even if this were an absolute truth (and you say that it isn't), how does it prove that the Lord Jesus is not the Only Way to God?

ii. You say that it isn't an absolute truth, so what's the point of stating it at all?

4. As for your personal thought, why should anybody but you care about what you think since it isn't absolute or objective truth? If I personally think that is is arrogant, 'cultic' and ungodly to not impose your belief on others, in what way is your position better than my assumed one?

Yawn.........

Truth is , if your ancestors were not colonised a few hundred years ago, your ilk will still be worshipping whichever God they used to worship. By accepting the religion of your masters , you agree that your culture as practised by the forefathers is inferior , and that white Jesus is actually your true Lord and Master - lol. Please don't regurgitate the bull sh1t you learnt from another cultures scripture, come up with something more original.

frosbel2:



Yawn.........

Truth is , if your ancestors were not colonised a few hundred years ago, your ilk will still be worshipping whichever God they used to worship. By accepting the religion of your masters , you agree that your culture as practised by the forefathers is inferior , and that white Jesus is actually your true Lord and Master - lol. Please don't regurgitate the bull sh1t you learnt from another cultures scripture, come up with something more original.

And he is still talking about truth like it is objective and absolute. What makes any of the above truth now? Because you said it? This is your own original truth? Therefore it is the Truth everybody must hear and believe? It's not original with you, friend. It's old. Satan was the first person to make up his own truth. Then he promptly tried to force it on others. Just like you're doing eons later.

Same old same old.