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Christians quote such Bible verses as Genesis 2:24 to buttress the Divine origin and endorsement of monogamy against polygamy. "For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh” . That scripture says "his wife", not "his wives".

Well, needless to say, monogamy has been associated with Xtianity all these centuries. But, all of a sudden, here is a modern day pastor who supports polygamy so much that he made it the theme of a church program, printing it boldly on the program banner.

Fellow Christians, what do you say to this?

When so many great men of the bible (Abraham, King David, King Solomon etc) had multiple Wives, baby mamas and mistresses, how can a xtian in his/her right mind look down on polygamy/babymamas/mistresses?!

End time pastor..!

MrBrownJay1:
When so many great men of the bible (Abraham, King David, King Solomon etc) had multiple Wives, baby mamas and mistresses, how can a xtian in his/her right mind look down on polygamy/babymamas/mistresses?!

did they repent or not

whitebeard:
did they repent or not

No they did NOT, as they were never looked as sinners by the bible..... The only one that was seen as a sinner was because he had sex with a MARRIED woman.

Educate Yourself on your holy book so i dont have to do it for you

MrBrownJay1:


No they did NOT, as they were never looked as sinners by the bible..... The only one that was seen as a sinner was because he had sex with a MARRIED woman.

Educate Yourself on your holy book so i dont have to do it for you

oh pls pls enlighten me, most enlightened one

whitebeard:
oh pls pls enlighten me, most enlightened one

By all means, let me.....

There is not a single verse in the bible that looks down on the fact that king David, King Solomon and/or Abraham had countless concubines, mistresses and babymamas. These highly respected men of the bible were into polygamy and fornication, yet never seen (nor punished) as sinners. The only time it was seen as a sin was when King David had sex with BathSheba (a married woman).

So i suggest you actually READ your holy book instead of listening to deluded fraudsters in robe every sunday in Church.

MrBrownJay1:


By all means, let me.....

There is not a single verse in the bible that looks down on the fact that king David, King Solomon and/or Abraham had countless concubines, mistresses and babymamas. These highly respected men of the bible were into polygamy and fornication, yet never seen (nor punished) as sinners. The only time it was seen as a sin was when King David had sex with BathSheba (a married woman).

So i suggest you actually READ your holy book instead of listening to deluded fraudsters in robe every sunday in Church.

u sound like u have issues comprehending the bible..!

whitebeard:
u sound like u have issues comprehending the bible..!

Here is your Education of the day: show me ONE verse that portrayed Abraham, King Solomon as sinner because of their concubines/mistresses OR any verse that does the same for King David (unrelated to BathSheba).

MrBrownJay1:


Here is your Education of the day: show me ONE verse that portrayed Abraham, King Solomon as sinner because of their concubines/mistresses OR any verse that does the same for King David (unrelated to BathSheba).

Even though most sister do not like to hear it, polygamy is sometimes a necessary evil.

In societies in constant conflicts and war, the life expectancy of men is relatively short, thereby skewing the women to men ratio highly in favour of women. The only solution for most women under such circumstances is to marry a married man as second or even third wife. These are the main reason why Judaism and Islam allowed the marriage of multiple wives. The Jews and Arabs were always at war.

Another reason for polygamy even in modern times is eligibility. There are relatively fewer men eligible for marriage in relation to available spinsters. Most men would get to their mid 30s to early 40s before they are financially stable enough to marry a wife, meanwhile numerous ladies are available between the ages of 18 to 30 years.

Also the life expectancy of men are relatively shorter than that of women, due to stress of providing for the family, therefore men die out quicker than woman, further exasperating the gap between women and men.

Without becoming second wives, baby mamas or mistresses, many women would die lonely without any children.

MrBrownJay1:


By all means, let me.....

There is not a single verse in the bible that looks down on the fact that king David, King Solomon and/or Abraham had countless concubines, mistresses and babymamas. These highly respected men of the bible were into polygamy and fornication, yet never seen (nor punished) as sinners. The only time it was seen as a sin was when King David had sex with BathSheba (a married woman).

So i suggest you actually READ your holy book instead of listening to deluded fraudsters in robe every sunday in Church.

so in essence sleeping around is not seen as a sin before God. We should fire ahead ahead. No nsogbu.ok tanku

Truthchiz:
so in essence sleeping around is not seen as a sin before God. We should fire ahead ahead. No nsogbu.ok tanku

Well, if these men were not punished (nor viewed as sinners) while fucking all these babes and having babies with women they were NOT married to, whiy should we?!

I dont say you should fire away, but you certainly shouldn't come here presenting that it is wrong either.

MrBrownJay1:


Here is your Education of the day: show me ONE verse that portrayed Abraham, King Solomon as sinner because of their concubines/mistresses OR any verse that does the same for King David (unrelated to BathSheba).

go and have a tea or something... U are kinda boring... Come back when u understand..

whitebeard:
go and have a tea or something... U are kinda boring... Come back when u understand..

MBJ slaying gullible religious follow follow donkeys since the begining of time

Polygamy was permissible under the old Testament because of the weakness of their flesh but it is not under the new testament. Even Bishops and Deacons where instructed to be the husband of one wife.

Also remember that fornication was never mentioned as a sin under the old testament but it is a sin under the new testament. So, upgrade your knowledge and live by the new testament teachings.

TruthinAction:
Polygamy was permissible under the old Testament because of the weakness of their flesh but it is not under the new testament. Even Bishops and Deacons where instructed to be the husband of one wife.

Also remember that fornication was never mentioned as a sin under the old testament but it is a sin under the new testament. So, upgrade your knowledge and live by the new testament teachings.

BWAAAAAAHHHh, pls before you try to dismiss what is written in the OT (aka THE LAW), for believe that anything has changed from OT to NT, feast your eyes on what Jesus said:

Matthew 5:17-18... Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Luke 16:17... It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.

John 10:35... If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came, and Scripture cannot be set aside,

....Then come again and try to foolishly dismiss what is written in the OT.


Then when you are finished and got your senses back, tell me which of the below evil verses you follow:

Revelation 2:22-23... So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.

Exodus 21:15... Anyone who attacks their father or mother is to be put to death.

Leviticus 20:9... Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death. Because they have cursed their father or mother, their blood will be on their own head.

Leviticus 20:10... If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.

Deuteronomy 22:23-24... If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you.

Leviticus 21:9... If a priest’s daughter defiles herself by becoming a prostitute, she disgraces her father; she must be burned in the fire.

Deuteronomy 22:20-21... If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.

Matthew 5:29-30... If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

Matthew 5:30...And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

MrBrownJay1:


MBJ slaying gullible religious follow follow donkeys since the begining of time

yeah, believe whatever tickles ur balls..! Lack of proper understanding is what u reek of...go and check urself...sorry ehn..! now run along..!

MrBrownJay1:


BWAAAAAAHHHh, pls before you try to dismiss what is written in the OT (aka THE LAW), for believe that anything has changed from OT to NT, feast your eyes on what Jesus said:

Matthew 5:17-18... Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Luke 16:17... It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.

John 10:35... If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came, and Scripture cannot be set aside,

....Then come again and try to foolishly dismiss what is written in the OT.


Then when you are finished and got your senses back, tell me which of the below evil verses you follow:

Revelation 2:22-23... So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.

Exodus 21:15... Anyone who attacks their father or mother is to be put to death.

Leviticus 20:9... Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death. Because they have cursed their father or mother, their blood will be on their own head.

Leviticus 20:10... If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.

Deuteronomy 22:23-24... If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you.

Leviticus 21:9... If a priest’s daughter defiles herself by becoming a prostitute, she disgraces her father; she must be burned in the fire.

Deuteronomy 22:20-21... If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.

Matthew 5:29-30... If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

Matthew 5:30...And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

it ur type that use to cram note in school read and understand...no it read to pass.. See how it has fvcked up ur brain..!

whitebeard:
u sound like u have issues comprehending the bible..!

LoL! Go and read of how Judah slept with his son's wife thinking she was a prostitute.

LordReed:


LoL! Go and read of how Judah slept with his son's wife thinking she was a prostitute.

and then what..what will now happen..! Wat will change, wat will I learn..u guys should stop quoting me on this thread...it like the losers in my class asking me to be a loser too..!

Dont disturb me again..!

whitebeard:
and then what..what will now happen..! Wat will change, wat will I learn..u guys should stop quoting me on this thread...it like the losers in my class asking me to be a loser too..!

Dont disturb me again..!

You will learn that the bible did not condemn the men who slept with prostitutes, concubines and mistresses neither did it condemn polygamy, at least until ultra sanctimonious Paul showed up.

LordReed:


You will learn that the bible did not condemn the men who slept with prostitutes, concubines and mistresses neither did it condemn polygamy, at least until ultra sanctimonious Paul showed up.

u know when we come to this world we all play a role in this world..like we are actors in a movie..lemme tell u ur role...u joined the group of people dat lack proper understanding

The clearest evidence that monogamy is God’s ideal is from Christ’s teaching on marriage in Matt. 19:3–6. In this passage, He cited the Genesis creation account, in particular Gen. 1:27 and 2:24, saying ‘the two will become one flesh’, not more than two.

Another important biblical teaching is the parallel of husband and wife with Christ and the Church in Eph. 5:22–33, which makes sense only with monogamy—Jesus will not have multiple brides.

The 10th Commandment ‘… You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife [singular] …’ (Exodus 20:17) also presupposes the ideal that there is only one wife. Polygamy is expressly forbidden for church elders (1 Tim. 3:2). And this is not just for elders, because Paul also wrote: ‘each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.’ Paul goes on to explain marital duties in terms that make sense only with one husband to one wife.

LordReed:


You will learn that the bible did not condemn the men who slept with prostitutes, concubines and mistresses neither did it condemn polygamy, at least until ultra sanctimonious Paul showed up.

God also forbade the kings of Israel to be polygamous (Deut. 17:17). Look at the trouble when they disobeyed, including deadly sibling rivalry between David’s sons from his different wives (2 Samuel 13, 1 Kings 2); and Solomon’s hundreds of wives helped lead Solomon to idolatry (1 Kings 11:1–3). Also, Hannah, Samuel’s mother, was humiliated by her husband Elkanah’s other wife Peninnah (1 Sam. 1:1–7).


Are u satisfied

whitebeard:
God also forbade the kings of Israel to be polygamous (Deut. 17:17). Look at the trouble when they disobeyed, including deadly sibling rivalry between David’s sons from his different wives (2 Samuel 13, 1 Kings 2); and Solomon’s hundreds of wives helped lead Solomon to idolatry (1 Kings 11:1–3). Also, Hannah, Samuel’s mother, was humiliated by her husband Elkanah’s other wife Peninnah (1 Sam. 1:1–7).


Are u satisfied

Only the kings? What of normal people they were allowed?

Show me where it condemned Abraham, Isaac or Jacob the so called fathers of the Hebrew nation. Even after it supposedly punished David for sleeping with Bathsheba and killing her husband (an innocent child died, not even Bathsheba was touched such a merciful child killing god), David went on to marry her and produce the heir! The very god sanctioned heir was the product of not David's 1st or 2nd wife, if I remember correctly Bathsheba was the 7th (Confirmed she is the 8th wife). No condemnation from the god.

Judah that I first referenced was not condemned for his actions, neither by the god nor by his father who knew the supposed god.

whitebeard:
u know when we come to this world we all play a role in this world..like we are actors in a movie..lemme tell u ur role...u joined the group of people dat lack proper understanding

The clearest evidence that monogamy is God’s ideal is from Christ’s teaching on marriage in Matt. 19:3–6. In this passage, He cited the Genesis creation account, in particular Gen. 1:27 and 2:24, saying ‘the two will become one flesh’, not more than two.

Another important biblical teaching is the parallel of husband and wife with Christ and the Church in Eph. 5:22–33, which makes sense only with monogamy—Jesus will not have multiple brides.

The 10th Commandment ‘… You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife [singular] …’ (Exodus 20:17) also presupposes the ideal that there is only one wife. Polygamy is expressly forbidden for church elders (1 Tim. 3:2). And this is not just for elders, because Paul also wrote: ‘each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.’ Paul goes on to explain marital duties in terms that make sense only with one husband to one wife.

God's ideal that wasn't enforced for thousands of years until Christ and Paul and even then it was people who were church elders who were forbidden, normal church members were not under any such obligation.

Your fairytale god remains powerless to act until humans decide otherwise then they use the masquerade of god to institute laws and policies that they want in the first place.

LordReed:


Only the kings? What of normal people they were allowed?

Show me where it condemned Abraham, Isaac or Jacob the so called fathers of the Hebrew nation. Even after it supposedly punished David for sleeping with Bathsheba and killing her husband (an innocent child died, not even Bathsheba was touched such a merciful child killing god), David went on to marry her and produce the heir! The very god sanctioned heir was the product of not David's 1st or 2nd wife, if I remember correctly Bathsheba was the 7th. No condemnation from the god.

Judah that I first referenced was not condemned for his actions, neither by the god nor by his father who knew the supposed god.

OK guy

MrBrownJay1:


BWAAAAAAHHHh, pls before you try to dismiss what is written in the OT (aka THE LAW), for believe that anything has changed from OT to NT, feast your eyes on what Jesus said:

Matthew 5:17-18... Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Luke 16:17... It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.

John 10:35... If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came, and Scripture cannot be set aside,

....Then come again and try to foolishly dismiss what is written in the OT.


Then when you are finished and got your senses back, tell me which of the below evil verses you follow:

Revelation 2:22-23... So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.

Exodus 21:15... Anyone who attacks their father or mother is to be put to death.

Leviticus 20:9... Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death. Because they have cursed their father or mother, their blood will be on their own head.

Leviticus 20:10... If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.

Deuteronomy 22:23-24... If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you.

Leviticus 21:9... If a priest’s daughter defiles herself by becoming a prostitute, she disgraces her father; she must be burned in the fire.

Deuteronomy 22:20-21... If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.

Matthew 5:29-30... If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

Matthew 5:30...And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

The Bible cannot contradict itself. It cannot say one thing in several verses and nullify it with just one verse of scripture. You have to seek understanding by the Spirit of God of what it is really saying.

There are scores of Scripture that points to the fact that the law has indeed be abolished. I will quote a few of them after which I will reconcile it with what Jesus said in Matthew 5:17 and other similar verses.

Christ HATH REDEEMED US FROM THE CURSE OF THE LAW being made a curse for us (Jews), for it is written, cursed is every man that hangeth on a tree. That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise OF THE SPIRIT THROUGH FAITH HAVING ABOLISHED in His flesh the enmity EVEN THE LAW OF COMMANDMENT contained in ordinances for to make in Himself of twain, one new man, so making peace. BLOTTING OUT THE HANDWRITING OF ORDINANCES (LAW) that was against us which was contrary to us nailing it to the cross. FOR CHRIST IS THE END OF THE LAW for righteousness to everyone that believeth. FOR THE LAW WAS GIVEN BY MOSES, BUT GRACE AND TRUTH CAME BY JESUS CHRIST. BUT NOW WE (JEWS) ARE DELIVERED FROM THE LAW that being dead wherein we were held, that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter (law). Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free and BE NOT ENTANGLED AGAIN WITH THE YOKE OF BONDAGE (LAW). For sin shall not have dominion over you, for ye (the New Creation) are NOT UNDER THE LAW but under grace” For there is verily A DISANNULLING (CANCELLATION) OF THE COMMANDMENT going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. And for this cause, he is the mediator of a New Testament that by means of death, for the REDEMPTION OF THE TRANSGRESSORS THAT WERE UNDER THE FIRST TESTAMENT, they which are called might receive the promise of an eternal inheritance. Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. HE TAKETH AWAY THE FIRST (LAW OF MOSES) that he may establish the second. For the priesthood being changed, there is made a necessity a change also of the law” (Gal. 3:13-14, Eph. 2:15, Rom.10:4, John 1:17, Rom. 7:6, Gal. 5:1, Rom. 6:14, Heb. 7:18, 9:15, 10:9, 7:12).

Please go through these Scriptures and let me know if there are other ways it can be interpreted other than pointing to the fact that the law has been abolished.

Now let's look at Matthew 5:17 - 18which reads

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

The word fulfill has several meanings depending on the context it is used. But two of such meanings fit into this context. They are

1. To carry out a promise.
2. To comply with conditions.

The coming of Jesus was not accidental. It was planned for. When God called Abraham, he promised him that through his seed, families and nations of the earth shall be blessed. Apostle Paul let us know that that seed is Christ. And this promise was given before the law of Moses.

The law of Moses came in about 430 years after the promise was made. The law had nothing to do with the promise. It was put in place to regulate the life of the Jews until the promise comes to fulfillment. And that is why Jesus came. He came as a fulfillment of that promise. And for the promise to be fulfilled, the law has to set aside otherwise it is no longer a promise.

Having this understanding, how then do we explain Mathew 5:17-18? I will attempt to paraphrase it to make it clearer.

“Think not that I am come to end the law or the prophets unjustly, but to carry out the promise God made to Abraham, contained in the book of the law. For assuredly I say to you, you (the Jews) must still obey all that the law commands until the promise comes into effect.”

And this promise came into effect with the death of Jesus,

Hence the Scripture says

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

The second meaning of the word fulfill says to comply with conditions.

The law said that the soul that sins must die. Jesus died and met that condition.

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us (Jews) from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

There are many more references time will not permit me to state here. If Jesus really came to endorse the law, he would have permitted the woman caught in the very act of adultery to be stoned to death. He shouldn't have healed on Sabbath day. One of the reasons he was crucified was because they accused him of constantly breaking the law.

If this explanation is not enough, please ask a follow up question and I will be willing to answer. God bless you.

TruthinAction:


The Bible cannot contradict itself.

ARRANT NONSENSE!!!!
The bible contradicts itself so many times and thats why many men were able to fornicate etc unpunished.
The are about 140 direct contradictions in the bible, similar to the one below:

Exodus 20:12:"Honor thy father and thy mother…”

Luke 14:26:"if any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. ”

Or better yet.....

Ezekiel 18:20:“The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…”

Exodus 20:5:"the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation…”

MrBrownJay1:


ARRANT NONSENSE!!!!
The bible contradicts itself so many times and thats why many men were able to fornicate etc unpunished.
The are about 140 direct contradictions in the bible, similar to the one below:

Exodus 20:12:"Honor thy father and thy mother…”

Luke 14:26:"if any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. ”

Or better yet.....

Ezekiel 18:20:“The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…”

Exodus 20:5:"the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation…”

To properly interpret the scriptures, you have to read within context.

For instance, the first example you cited, the instructions to honour your father and mother still stands.

What Jesus said in the second one is not a contradiction. He is not talking about hating your father and mother but about relative love. The love you have for him must supercede the love you have for your parents. If your parents ask you not to go to church, you don't have to obey them. This is what he is trying to teach. He used a figure of speech.

Concerning the second, yes it is true that the sins of the fathers is visited upon the children but the Prophet said it will no longer be that way. It is the soul that sins that should die. In other words, the first instruction to visit the sins of the father upon the children no longer holds.

So, they are not contradictions.

TruthinAction:
To properly interpret the scriptures, you have to read within context.

For instance, the first example you cited, the instructions to honour your father and mother still stands.

What Jesus said in the second one is not a contradiction. He is not talking about hating your father and mother but about relative love. The love you have for him must supercede the love you have for your parents. If your parents ask you not to go to church, you don't have to obey them. This is what he is trying to teach. He used a figure of speech.

How can anyone honor their father if their father's wishes is against that of Jesus?! You make no sense..... Its a direct contradiction.

Concerning the second, yes it is true that the sins of the fathers is visited upon the children but the Prophet said it will no longer be that way. It is the soul that sins that should die. In other words, the first instruction to visit the sins of the father upon the children no longer holds.

So, they are not contradictions

When/where/how did the prophet said it will never be that way when it is written black on white in your holy book?!?!?!?! Come on, you need to try harder!

When there are fake Pastors endorsing alchohol, adultery, unclothedness in their fake churches.

MrBrownJay1:


How can anyone honor their father if their father's wishes is against that of Jesus?! You make no sense..... Its a direct contradiction.



When/where/how did the prophet said it will never be that way when it is written black on white in your holy book?!?!?!?! Come on, you need to try harder!

It's not a contradiction but he only put a clause in the honour you give to your parents. In other words, honour your parents but if it conflicts with your loyalty to God or Christ, then you are not under obligation to honour them on that issue. In other words, the love you should show to Jesus must be above the love you show to your parents.

Concerning the second issue, let's read from the first few verses of the chapter in question.

Ezekiel 18:1-3.
1 The word of the LORD came unto me again, saying,

2 What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge?

3 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, YE SHALL NOT HAVE OCCASION ANY MORE to use this proverb in Israel.

The issue of the father's sin visiting their children became a proverbs. But God through Prophet Ezekiel said it will no longer be that way. Then, he continued,


Ezekiel 18:4-20.
4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: THE SOUL THAT SINNETH, IT SHALL DIE.

5 But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right,

6 And hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, neither hath defiled his neighbour's wife, neither hath come near to a menstruous woman,

7 And hath not oppressed any, but hath restored to the debtor his pledge, hath spoiled none by violence, hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment;

8 He that hath not given forth upon usury, neither hath taken any increase, that hath withdrawn his hand from iniquity, hath executed true judgment between man and man,

9 Hath walked in my statutes, and hath kept my judgments, to deal truly; he is just, he shall surely live, saith the Lord GOD.

10 If he beget a son that is a robber, a shedder of blood, and that doeth the like to any one of these things,

11 And that doeth not any of those duties, but even hath eaten upon the mountains, and defiled his neighbour's wife,

12 Hath oppressed the poor and needy, hath spoiled by violence, hath not restored the pledge, and hath lifted up his eyes to the idols, hath committed abomination,

13 Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him. note

14 Now, lo, if he beget a son, that seeth all his father's sins which he hath done, and considereth, and doeth not such like,

15 That hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, hath not defiled his neighbour's wife,

16 Neither hath oppressed any, hath not withholden the pledge, neither hath spoiled by violence, but hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment, note

17 That hath taken off his hand from the poor, that hath not received usury nor increase, hath executed my judgments, hath walked in my statutes; he shall not die for the iniquity of his father, he shall surely live.

18 As for his father, because he cruelly oppressed, spoiled his brother by violence, and did that which is not good among his people, lo, even he shall die in his iniquity.

19 Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live.

20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Please read the entire passage. God said he will no longer punish innocent children on account of the sins of their fathers. So, there is consistency. Laws are subject to ammendment and this is what was done here.