Mickykarim:
THERE IS SOMETHING CALLED CHRONOLOGY, MEANING RELATIVE TO TIME EVENTS AND PLACES.

When they say a book of anybody in the Bible, translates to the book being about HIM and all associated with him including any consequential happenings about him and or influences and not necessarily written by the person.

THEREFORE, ALL THE FIVE BOOKS OF MOSES WAS ALL ABOUT HIS ADVENTURES INFLUENCES AND OR WITH CONSEQUENTIAL IMPACTS.

This is why you are now reading about him, discussing him and asking questions. Such as the confusion with you, not knowing which was it.

AND, YOU HAVE ASKED GOOD QUESTIONS. HOPEFULLY, IT WAS DONE IN GOOD FATE.

sonmvayina:
The Torah was written by Ezra...

Blakjewelry:
Moses did

uncleck:

Check your source again. Torah was written by Moses

uncleck:

The Pentateuch (Tora) is not just about Moses, they were actually written by Moses himself. So how did Moses write about things that happened even after his own death?

HisSplendor:


Moses never got time to write during those very busy years. The books themselves are reported speeches. It was written about Moses and his activities but not necessarily written by Moses himself. The most probable person to have written those books is Joshua. Most of the writings would have been dictated by Moses but not handwtitten by Moses.

sonmvayina:


Moses never existed.

Torah was written by Ezra when they left the Babylonian exile.
It is not a history textbook. It is a spiritual manual for the national religion of the Jews called Judaism..

uncleck:

Do you have any supporting sources?

uncleck:

If Moses did not exist, do we have any evidence that Ezra existed?

uncleck:

How did he manage to write about his death and burial?

HisSplendor:


Read the books themselves. They're written in reported speeches. That tells you they're not directly written by Moses.

Blakjewelry:
Moses did

Dtruthspeaker:


Wrong!

Blakjewelry:

Then who wrote it?

Dtruthspeaker:


Sweet! I wonder if he would figure it out!

uncleck:

Many events contained in those books are not about Moses. Some events predates even human creation according to genesis account. So obviously whoever wrote the books could not have witnessed most of the events he wrote. Being a reported speech is not the reason to exonerate Moses from being the writer because the words may have been narrated to him, maybe by the holly spirit.

Many sources have acknowledged Moses as the writer of those books. If you have any contradictory evidence bring it on. If you say Moses did not write them, who did? What evidence do you have?

HisSplendor:


Whatever the sources said, they weren't there when the books were written, hence they can't stand as authority. We don't need to look externally for proofs. We look into the books themselves.

We can give the same example to Moses' books. The person who could have written things by his dictation is Joshua because Joshua was referred to as Moses' servant.

The major reason why Moses
CC:

Dtruthspeaker

Dtruthspeaker:


You said the words which threw Light on Who wrote it but you did not follow the Light

Read the books themselves. They're written in reported speeches. That tells you they're not directly written by Moses.

Meaning The Person was there when these things happened.

So, Who do you see that is there and could have been there Who Himself can definitely Write?

HisSplendor:


You're right bro. But since that didn't satisfy some inquirers, I had to add my personal inferences.

As I said, we can't know for sure who wrote those books, we can only speculate. However, we can be sure that Moses presided over the writings and got involved himself at some points because we also have Moses' direct speeches in those books.

Dtruthspeaker:


Is it not obvious that It is The Lord, He Who is later called Jesus Christ, when He came visiting as a man, Who Wrote it?

You remember, He keeps telling us that He was there at the beginning several times it is a Code.

HisSplendor:


We know it truly that He did. We're only talking about the human instruments He used.

NNTR:
Psalm 103:7
He made known His ways [of righteousness and justice] to Moses, His acts to the children of Israel.

Proverbs 25:1
These are additional proverbs of Solomon, which were copied by the men of Hezekiah king of Judah:

The five books of Moses certainly were written by Moses, and no doubt, any whatsoever additional to the pentateuch, were probably done by men such Joshua, Eleazar, Samuel and Ezra.

You're right, except for out of curiosity and sheer academic research, why bother about an already dishonest and unreliable 6th & 7th book of Moses

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

uncleck:
The first five books of the Bible, including Deautoronomy, were written by Moses. Chapter 34 describes the death and burial of Moses. Now the question is, how did Moses write about his death, burial and some other events that preceded his death?

Deuteronomy 34
King James Version
1 And Moses went up from the plains of Moab unto the mountain of Nebo, to the top of Pisgah, that is over against Jericho. And the Lord shewed him all the land of Gilead, unto Dan,
2 And all Naphtali, and the land of Ephraim, and Manasseh, and all the land of Judah, unto the utmost sea,
3 And the south, and the plain of the valley of Jericho, the city of palm trees, unto Zoar.
4 And the Lord said unto him, This is the land which I sware unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, saying, I will give it unto thy seed: I have caused thee to see it with thine eyes, but thou shalt not go over thither.
5 So Moses the servant of the Lord died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the Lord.
6 And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day.
7 And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated.
8 And the children of Israel wept for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days: so the days of weeping and mourning for Moses were ended
9 And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses had laid his hands upon him: and the children of Israel hearkened unto him, and did as the Lord commanded Moses.
10 And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face,
11 In all the signs and the wonders, which the Lord sent him to do in the land of Egypt to Pharaoh, and to all his servants, and to all his land,
12 And in all that mighty hand, and in all the great terror which Moses shewed in the sight of all Israel.

uncleck:
Many events contained in those books are not about Moses. Some events predates even human creation according to genesis account. So obviously whoever wrote the books could not have witnessed most of the events he wrote. Being a reported speech is not the reason to exonerate Moses from being the writer because the words may have been narrated to him, maybe by the holly spirit.

Many sources have acknowledged Moses as the writer of those books. If you have any contradictory evidence bring it on. If you say Moses did not write them, who did? What evidence do you have?

HisSplendor:
Whatever the sources said, they weren't there when the books were written, hence they can't stand as authority. We don't need to look externally for proofs. We look into the books themselves.

When you look at the writings of Paul, he writes by dictations but when he's ending his letters, he writes the salutations himself and says ",the salutation written by me Paul with my own hand."

We can give the same example to Moses' books. The person who could have written things by his dictation is Joshua because Joshua was referred to as Moses' servant.

The major reason why Moses couldn't have been the direct writer of most of the portions of his books is his busy schedule. You remember how his father in-law Jethro even counselled him to delegate so he wouldn't die untimely. He told him he needs to create time for himself to rest.

Now, let's look at the books themselves. In Deuteronomy 30:19, we hear Moses saying "I call heaven and Earth to witness...", Also in Numbers 12, Miss's himself reported how he sent spies into Canaan.

Whenever.you see the 'I' used, I believe that's Moses writing directly. At other times, you'll read 'And Moses did this or that'. This form of writing is used interchangeably in the books from Exodus to Deuteronomy.

So, in my opinion, I suppose that Moses wrote whenever he was less busy, and on occasions when he had no luxury of time to record an important event, he instructs Joshua on what to write so that the details of the event would not be lost to weak memory.

Just before he climbed the mountain to die, Moses was the one doing the talking. He must have dictated those final departure speeches or may I say He instructed someone to take the 'minutes of the proceedings.' Then, in the final events, everything turned to reported speech, '...and Moses climbed..."

That's my submission actually. None of us was there when these books were written. We can only speculate.

CC: Dtruthspeaker

Dtruthspeaker:
You said the words which threw Light on Who wrote it but you did not follow the Light

Read the books themselves. They're written in reported speeches. That tells you they're not directly written by Moses.

Meaning The Person was there when these things happened.

So, Who do you see that is there and could have been there Who Himself can definitely Write?

HisSplendor:
You're right bro. But since that didn't satisfy some inquirers, I had to add my personal inferences.

As I said, we can't know for sure who wrote those books, we can only speculate. However, we can be sure that Moses presided over the writings and got involved himself at some points because we also have Moses' direct speeches in those books.

Dtruthspeaker:
Is it not obvious that It is The Lord, He Who is later called Jesus Christ, when He came visiting as a man, Who Wrote it?

You remember, He keeps telling us that He was there at the beginning several times it is a Code.

Cc uncleck

NNTR:


Its not a joke, when I say that Moses effectively, just sat there watching a replay of events, just as if he literally was watching a video replay. Something like, as if, using Video Assistant Referee (VAR) technology, used in the ongoing World up tournament to review a missed past moment in an ongoing game.

That's how Moses was able to write and put the Torah together, including events that predated even human creation according to Genesis account

Dtruthspeaker:
I disagree. I first started with the var/vision angle but throughout the books, we can see that there was no opportunity for such a var/vision private screening.

Moses was far too too busy to write these books.

First, it was extremely difficult for him to attain the place of Ruling such a very difficult, stubborn and rebellious people.

Even when he finally got there, administering such a people is almost impossible.

Not to talk of his learning and receiving The Laws and becoming a Law'er, at The Hand of The Lord before coming down the mountain to implement them.

Moses had his hands full such that there is no way he could have written those books.