Going through the bible, I came across some Jesuses. There is nothing wrong in coming across names when reading any book but christians made me believe that the name is one of the reasons why Jesus is God. The holy spirit told him that the son shall be called Immauel Jesus, meaning God with us. So if the name Jesus shows that he is God , how many Gods are we having because we have the names in four or five different places.

Secondly, I found out that the Jesuses share different attributes,as a result want to know which is the real jesus out of them all.


1.

Acts 13 v 6: when they had gone through isle unto paphos, they found a certain sorcere, a false prophet, a jew, whose name was Bar-Jesus.


2.

Mathew 27 v 16-17: And they had then notable prisoner called Barrabas. Therefore when were gatyhere togwther, Pilate said unto them, who will ye that I release unto you? Barabas, or Jesus which is called Christ?

Note: Other ancient manuscript have Jesus Barabas

3.
Mathew 2 v 13 – 16: Now when they had departed. Behold an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, rise take the child and his mother and flee to Egypt and remain there till I tell you, for Herod is about to search for the child and destroy him. and he rose and took the child and his mother by night and departed for Egypt and remained there until the death of Herod.

Note: following the birth of Jesus, Joseph and Mary flee to Egypt where they stayed until after Herod’s death in order to avoid the murder of their firstborn by Herod. Herod slaughtered all male infants two years old and under. There were 28 generations from David to Jesus and the annunciation occurred after Mary had conceinved Jesus.


4.
Luke 2 v 22- 40: ( a long story, I cant type)

Note: following the birth of Jesus, Joseph and Mary remained in the area of Jerusalem for the presentation (about 40 days) and then returned to Nazareth without ever going to Egypt. There was no slaughter of the infants. There were 43 generations in all and the annunciation occurred before conception.


5.
Colossians 4 v 10-11: Aristechyus, my fellow prisoner saluteth you, and Marcus, sister’s son to Barnabas (touching whom ye received commandments; if he come unot you, receive him).And Jesus, which is called Justus…


Thank you.

babs, what is even wrong with you?
whats up with bible this, Jesus that?
have got any problem with Christianity?

why dont you try preaching love, peace unity, oneness
topics that we can really do with and let us identify your beliefs from those?

you are not passing any message thru this medium and stand rather you are
sounding like a sadist!

wake up bro!

say / post something meaningful and quit talking about issues you obviously
dont even care to know about!

@viee,

Lef the bobo. . . he's bored and this seems the only thing that keeps him happy - like feeding bottle in tata's mouth!!

babs787:

Going through the bible, I came across some Jesuses. There is nothing wrong in coming across names when reading any book but christians made me believe that the name is one of the reasons why Jesus is God. The holy spirit told him that the son shall be called Immauel Jesus, meaning God with us. So if the name Jesus shows that he is God , how many Gods are we having because we have the names in four or five different places.

Secondly, I found out that the Jesuses share different attributes,as a result want to know which is the real jesus out of them all.


1.

Acts 13 v 6: when they had gone through isle unto paphos, they found a certain sorcere, a false prophet, a jew, whose name was Bar-Jesus.


2.

Mathew 27 v 16-17: And they had then notable prisoner called Barrabas. Therefore when were gatyhere togwther, Pilate said unto them, who will ye that I release unto you? Barabas, or Jesus which is called Christ?

Note: Other ancient manuscript have Jesus Barabas

3.
Mathew 2 v 13 – 16: Now when they had departed. Behold an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, rise take the child and his mother and flee to Egypt and remain there till I tell you, for Herod is about to search for the child and destroy him. and he rose and took the child and his mother by night and departed for Egypt and remained there until the death of Herod.

Note: following the birth of Jesus, Joseph and Mary flee to Egypt where they stayed until after Herod’s death in order to avoid the murder of their firstborn by Herod. Herod slaughtered all male infants two years old and under. There were 28 generations from David to Jesus and the annunciation occurred after Mary had conceinved Jesus.


4.
Luke 2 v 22- 40: ( a long story, I can't type)

Note: following the birth of Jesus, Joseph and Mary remained in the area of Jerusalem for the presentation (about 40 days) and then returned to Nazareth without ever going to Egypt. There was no slaughter of the infants. There were 43 generations in all and the annunciation occurred before conception.


5.
Colossians 4 v 10-11: Aristechyus, my fellow prisoner saluteth you, and Marcus, sister’s son to Barnabas (touching whom ye received commandments; if he come unot you, receive him).And Jesus, which is called Justus…


Thank you.

@babs787,

Another one of those infantile questions, eh?
Or, is it that you got dazed by pilgrim.1's questions on the 99 names of Allah, that you got so red in the face to dribble this one. Well done!

If the question is simple as you stated: "WHICH IS THE REAL JESUS?" then, you can again go through the Bible and see that all of them were real in their persons; but ONLY ONE was called the Son of the living God (Matt. 16:16). None of the others claimed the same identity with the Son of God.

Further, please babs787, whenever you quote the Bible, could you afford to be honest enough to not misrepresent what it says? There is NO name like "Jesus Barabas"; and Matt. 27:16-17 identified two people: one called "Jesus, which is called Christ"; and the other "a notable prisoner, Barabbas". It is obvious in vs. 21 that Pilate was presenting two persons before the Jews on that day when he asked: "Which of the two do you wish me to release to you?" Did you see that also in your "ancient manuscripts" as well?

At least, your assumptions should have helped answer your own questions - they "share different attributes".

On the other hand, if the question is as to the Name "Jesus" proving that He was God, that is arguable; for the same name has been used of others who were mere men and differ from Him who is the very Logos (the Word), and Who in John 1:1 is called GOD.

Not only so, Isaiah 9:6 and several OT verses provide textual references to His deity as well His humanity. None of the others by inference of the name "Jesus" could claim the very idenity of what/who Jesus called Himself - the Son of God (John 10:36).

Barjesus is not the same name as JESUS. Go figure.

@vieee

Insert Quote
babs, what is even wrong with you?
whats up with bible this, Jesus that?
have got any problem with Christianity?


Honestly, I have no problem with christian because I was and have scores as friends. But am I not supposed to ask any question(s) that I do not understand?

Let me tell you little about myself and nairaland. When I first came, I never participated but decided to when I saw all the blasphemous statement being said about my religion and my prophet. I later learnt that the argument/debate is leading nowhere and decided to soft-pedalled and tried looking at the similarities and trying to bridge the gap of understanding between the two religion just like one of my brothers AbdKabir has been trying to but found out that your people never stopped being mischievous.

I have stopped creating new threads but started it when i saw pilgrims'.


why don't you try preaching love, peace unity, oneness
topics that we can really do with and let us identify your beliefs from those?

Thanks brother, I have been doing that. Go to Islamic thread and you will learn a lot. I am a Muslim if you dont know my belief and will die as one. Honestly am tired of these arguments that leads nowhere at the end of the day but you cant expect me to fold my arms when my faith is being bastardised on the guise of asking questions. When they ask question, they are not challenged but when babs does same, heaven is let loose.


you are not passing any message through this medium and stand rather you are sounding like a sadist!

I am sorry but I am not a sadist but a muslim


wake up bro!

say / post something meaningful and quit talking about issues you obviously don't even care to know about


Is this thread not meaningful? But their posts are always meaningul while that of muslims are not always.

Brother, am ignoring all questions be it on christianity or Islam, will be appearing only at Islamic threads and will try concrentrating on unity, love, etc between the two religion but we will see who will violate the law? Are you ok with that.

Am very sorry. Is apology accepted?


Thanks brother



@stimulus

Haba. I am not bored and can never be bored. I am ignoring all questions and will focus on Islamic threads. Hope you are ok with that? I love you jare.


Another one of those infantile questions, eh?
Or, is it that you got dazed by pilgrim.1's questions on the 99 names of Allah, that you got so red in the face to dribble this one. Well done!  

Is that what you think? Go read the thread, I have answered my sister.


If the question is simple as you stated: "WHICH IS THE REAL JESUS?" then, you can again go through the Bible and see that all of them were real in their persons; but ONLY ONE was called the Son of the living God (Matt. 16:16). None of the others claimed the same identity with the Son of God.

Are you saying that of the Mathew is the real Jesus Christ?



Further, please babs787, whenever you quote the Bible, could you afford to be honest enough to not misrepresent what it says? There is NO name like "Jesus Barabas"; and Matt. 27:16-17 identified two people: one called "Jesus, which is called Christ"; and the other "a notable prisoner, Barabbas". It is obvious in vs. 21 that Pilate was presenting two persons before the Jews on that day when he asked: "Which of the two do you wish me to release to you?" Did you see that also in your "ancient manuscripts" as well?

Na wa o. Dont ever try to lie. You think I just post anything without having proof. Oya Grab your RSV, read mathew 27 v 16 and you will see letter k after barabas, now go the footnote and read Jesus Barabbas yourself.


At least, your assumptions should have helped answer your own questions - they "share different attributes".

So which of the authors has real Jesus?


On the other hand, if the question is as to the Name "Jesus" proving that He was God, that is arguable; for the same name has been used of others who were mere men and differ from Him who is the very Logos (the Word), and Who in John 1:1 is called GOD.

What is this man saying. Am asking you, if the name Jesus meant the same thing as Immanuel.


Not only so, Isaiah 9:6 and several OT verses provide textual references to His deity as well His humanity. None of the others by inference of the name "Jesus" could claim the very idenity of what/who Jesus called Himself - the Son of God (John 10:36).

You know what, I dont have to argue with you on the sonship of God. A christian like you, domwas2 provided detailed explanation on that and the meaning to the Jews. You are laying claim to Isaiah 9 v6, was Jesus King of the Jews? Did he sit on any throne of Davd?


Barjesus is not the same name as JESUS. Go figure.

Minus Bar-jesus, remaining other 4 Jesuses

@babs787,

You just don't get it do you? May I ask you one question as well. Which one of these jesus is the one spoken of in your Qu'ran?

@babs787
there are many renowned psychiatric hospitals in Nigeria that i know of. Yaba in Lagos, Aro in Abeokuta and Uselu in Benin. Which one is closest to you? You should check one of them out.

blabs787, there are so many questions awaiting your "learned" response on this thread. Rather you choose the escapist route, pretend not to see them only to pop up with incredulous "questions" that could only be put down as an attempt to deflect your embarrasment at the numerous contradictions in your unholy quran.

What happened to your defence of the mighty wonders of prophet mohammed? The minute the idiocy of the "iris on the prophet's cheek" miracle was poiinted out you suddenly took to your heels! Is this not one more nail in the coffin of that idolatrous religion of yours?

what happened to your defence of the 99 names of Allah? What of the question on whether there is salvation in islam? HAve you and other deluded muslims on this thread figured out the correct sequence of Mo's death? Yet here u are pretending to be asking a valid question that you indeed do not understand!

Continue running! A wicked man runneth when no man pursueth!

@Davidylan
Address his questions if you can, bro. Not a very good idea to refer to issues on another thread here, especially since not everyone will be bothered to read up on them.

If you ask me, I do not think he wants any answers to his questions so I will not even bother to try to answer them.

@babs787,
I like TayoD response to you, it is the best. It is the same method of teaching that Jesus used in teaching and confouding the pharisees. That approach of teaching is called "Agg'ada" in Hebrew, which is a moral approach that will stimulate you to think.
So therefore I repeat TayoD's question for you: "Which one of these jesus is the one spoken of in your Qu'ran?"

@babs787,

babs787:

Haba. I am not bored and can never be bored. I am ignoring all questions and will focus on Islamic threads. Hope you are ok with that? I love you jare.

You may sound like you're not bored; however, your recent posts are a minus to the celebrated 'improvements' of the previous weeks'.

babs787:

Another one of those infantile questions, eh?
Or, is it that you got dazed by pilgrim.1's questions on the 99 names of Allah, that you got so red in the face to dribble this one. Well done!  

Is that what you think? Go read the thread, I have answered my sister.

Haba alhaji, take style confess. How can you deny that all your recent efforts are not a reaction to pilgrim.1's posts, when in fact you just admitted it?? See am again:

babs787:

I have stopped creating new threads but started it when i saw pilgrims'.

Besides, reading the debate on the issue of the 99 names of Allah shows that you haven't said anything other than recycling what you were taught by rote. Her basic questions and assumptions are yet unanswered (at least, that's how it stands with me; and I could provide more explicatory inferences for my take on that topic after pilgrim.1's rejoinder to you).

babs787:

If the question is simple as you stated: "WHICH IS THE REAL JESUS?" then, you can again go through the Bible and see that all of them were real in their persons; but ONLY ONE was called the Son of the living God (Matt. 16:16). None of the others claimed the same identity with the Son of God.

Are you saying that of the Mathew is the real Jesus Christ?

Which one of the other connections with the name "jesus" claimed to be the Son of God than He who is called the CHRIST??

babs787:


Further, please babs787, whenever you quote the Bible, could you afford to be honest enough to not misrepresent what it says? There is NO name like "Jesus Barabas"; and Matt. 27:16-17 identified two people: one called "Jesus, which is called Christ"; and the other "a notable prisoner, Barabbas". It is obvious in vs. 21 that Pilate was presenting two persons before the Jews on that day when he asked: "Which of the two do you wish me to release to you?" Did you see that also in your "ancient manuscripts" as well?

Na wa o. Dont ever try to lie. You think I just post anything without having proof. Oya Grab your RSV, read mathew 27 v 16 and you will see letter k after barabas, now go the footnote and read Jesus Barabbas yourself.

No wahala, I "grabbed" the RSV and followed your directives. But even then, the same RSV also showed that Matt. 16:21 indicated Pilate's reference to TWO different people. Quote from RSV: ²¹[/b]The governor again said to them, "Which of [b]the two do you want me to release for you?" And they said, "Barab'bas." Abi na lie again?

babs787:

At least, your assumptions should have helped answer your own questions - they "share different attributes".

So which of the authors has real Jesus?

Go read them - all the NT writers distinguished who was being referred to in the contexts where the personalities were mentioned.

babs787:

On the other hand, if the question is as to the Name "Jesus" proving that He was God, that is arguable; for the same name has been used of others who were mere men and differ from Him who is the very Logos (the Word), and Who in John 1:1 is called GOD.

What is this man saying. Am asking you, if the name Jesus meant the same thing as Immanuel.

Haha. Don't sweat it. No be you dey act like say you have a degree in Biblical studies, hmm?? Okay, for simple ABC clarity, "Immanuel" (or, Emmanuel) means "God with us", while 'Jesus' (the latinized name from the Greek 'Joshua' or its Hebrew equivalent 'Yehoshua') means 'Yahweh is salvation'. Would the article on the link on the etymology of the name Jesus be of some help to you, babas787?

babs787:


Not only so, Isaiah 9:6 and several OT verses provide textual references to His deity as well His humanity. None of the others by inference of the name "Jesus" could claim the very idenity of what/who Jesus called Himself - the Son of God (John 10:36).

You know what, I don't have to argue with you on the sonship of God. A christian like you, domwas2 provided detailed explanation on that and the meaning to the Jews. You are laying claim to Isaiah 9 v6, was Jesus King of the Jews? Did he sit on any throne of Davd?

Sorry, domwas2 is not an authority on Jewish thought; and you keep making reference to what he reposted for the simple reason that it provides the otiose basis for your weakly spun theories of denials.

One question, though: if Isaiah 9:6 does not refer to the Messiah, who then in Jewish and Islamic thought combined was the verse referring to??

babs787:

Barjesus is not the same name as JESUS. Go figure.

Minus Bar-jesus, remaining other 4 Jesuses

And which one of them is still giving you sleepless nights??

lafile:

@babs787
there are many renowned psychiatric hospitals in Nigeria that i know of. Yaba in Lagos, Aro in Abeokuta and Uselu in Benin. Which one is closest to you? You should check one of them out.

Good advice, I think he is closer to Aro than the rest.

Genial:


If you ask me, I do not think he wants any answers to his questions so I will not even bother to try to answer them.

Exactly what I think

@nossycheek & Genial,

It's true that babs787 deliberately doesn't ask questions with the aim of learning or reasoning with people. However, we can see now at last that he is only reacting to the same tough issues referred to by TayoD - he's scooting off from thread to thread in pretence that those other issues do not exist.

babs787:

I have stopped creating new threads but started it when i saw pilgrims'.

Like I said, he's reacting to pilgrim.1's recent entries: her several questions and topics are giving him the heat; and it's not too much of a marvel to notice that he's coming round charging at just about anything in his way.

Okay, true he doesn't deserve any answers; but we dey here, and we will continue to be amused by our friend's boredom.

with the time you spend reading the bible,i wonder if you still have time to read your "holy" quran,but its good sa,cos very soon you will be giving TESTIMONIES in a Church,dont say God forbid,that,s your only way to eternal life.

olutomiwa:

with the time you spend reading the bible,i wonder if you still have time to read your "holy" quran,but its good sa,because very soon you will be giving TESTIMONIES in a Church,don't say God forbid,that,s your only way to eternal life.

Ohh dear! Right outa my mouth!!

@stimulus

You may sound like you're not bored; however, your recent posts are a minus to the celebrated 'improvements' of the previous weeks'.


You thought so? I still have lots of threads to create but learnt that the debate is leading nowhere and will put stop to it cos of Viee and sisimose but that doesn’t mean that I wont reply you when you post any defaming rejoinder etc.



Haba alhaji, take style confess. How can you deny that all your recent efforts are not a reaction to pilgrim.1's posts, when in fact you just admitted it?? See am again:
Quote from: babs787 on Yesterday at 01:13:16 PM
I have stopped creating new threads but started it when i saw pilgrims'.

Besides, reading the debate on the issue of the 99 names of Allah shows that you haven't said anything other than recycling what you were taught by rote. Her basic questions and assumptions are yet unanswered (at least, that's how it stands with me; and I could provide more explicatory inferences for my take on that topic after pilgrim.1's rejoinder to you).


Brother you sure that you are not having sight problem? Go to the site, I have responded, backed up my answer with quotation and detailed names of Allah. Please provide your explicatory inferences jare. If you don’t understand, I said I have stopped creating thread but started when I saw pilgrims meaning that, I have stopped creating threads and have been trying to answer questions from already opened thread. I have lots of questions for you but felt that it would lead nowhere so I stopped the creation and only started it when I saw pilgrims’, you hear? I have nothing against her, she’s trying to learn about Islam and will always be ready to assist her.


If the question is simple as you stated: "WHICH IS THE REAL JESUS?" then, you can again go through the Bible and see that all of them were real in their persons; but ONLY ONE was called the Son of the living God (Matt. 16:16). None of the others claimed the same identity with the Son of God.

Are you saying that of the Mathew is the real Jesus Christ?

Which one of the other connections with the name "jesus" claimed to be the Son of God than He who is called the CHRIST??


Haba, why not read your post with regards to my questions. You claimed that he was called the son of the living in Mathew and I asked you if that of Mathew is the real jesus. If you don’t know read Luke too and tell which is the real Jesus.

As for the Jesus in book of Mathew, this is all you need to know about him
Note: following the birth of Jesus, Joseph and Mary flee to Egypt where they stayed until after Herod’s death in order to avoid the murder of their firstborn by Herod. Herod slaughtered all male infants two years old and under. There were 28 generations from David to Jesus and the annunciation occurred after Mary had conceived Jesus.

So compare with that of Luke

Note: following the birth of Jesus, Joseph and Mary remained in the area of Jerusalem for the presentation (about 40 days) and then returned to Nazareth without ever going to Egypt. There was no slaughter of the infants. There were 43 generations in all and the annunciation occurred before conception.
So tell me which is the real Jesus out of the two



No wahala, I "grabbed" the RSV and followed your directives. But even then, the same RSV also showed that Matt. 16:21 indicated Pilate's reference to TWO different people. Quote from RSV: 21The governor again said to them, "Which of the two do you want me to release for you?" And they said, "Barab'bas." Abi na lie again?


Brother why lying? You first said that there is nothing like Jesus Barabas and I gave it you but here you are singing another song?

Read your post again:
Further, please babs787, whenever you quote the Bible, could you afford to be honest enough to not misrepresent what it says? There is NO name like "Jesus Barabas";



Go read them - all the NT writers distinguished who was being referred to in the contexts where the personalities were mentioned.


I have read and that’s why I am asking you knowledgeable Christian to help me out. Let me have the real one between Jesus in Mathew and that of Luke.



Sorry, domwas2 is not an authority on Jewish thought; and you keep making reference to what he reposted for the simple reason that it provides the otiose basis for your weakly spun theories of denials.

One question, though: if Isaiah 9:6 does not refer to the Messiah, who then in Jewish and Islamic thought combined was the verse referring to??

You should ask yourself. In what way did it refer to Jesus? Was he king of Jew? Did he rule the Jew etc



And which one of them is still giving you sleepless nights??  

The other four Jesuses apart from Bar-Jesus


It's true that babs787 deliberately doesn't ask questions with the aim of learning or reasoning with people. However, we can see now at last that he is only reacting to the same tough issues referred to by TayoD - he's scooting off from thread to thread in pretence that those other issues do not exist.  


Really? I am asking in order to learn please o.  


Like I said, he's reacting to pilgrim.1's recent entries: her several questions and topics are giving him the heat; and it's not too much of a marvel to notice that he's coming round charging at just about anything in his way.


Is that what you think? No stress man. The questions are nothing but child’s pay. I am enjoying every bit of the debate, she’s learning about Islam. Dont mind stimulus my sister, you are sweet jare  



Okay, true he doesn't deserve any answers; but we dey here, and we will continue to be amused by our friend's boredom.  


Good friend. Cheers




@Olumuyiwa

with the time you spend reading the bible,i wonder if you still have time to read your "holy" quran,but its good sa,because very soon you will be giving TESTIMONIES in a Church,don't say God forbid,that,s your only way to eternal life.



What testimonies again? The one that I gave while in the dark? Come off it brother, you are joking, no going back into that darkness called christianity.

Take care all   .

Am looking for a way to end all these debates. Any body with useful idea?  

To say the truth do not intend to convince you about the reality of the man Jesus Christ because i percieve that you have by yourself chosen to deny his existence.

The prefis 'Bar-' as in Bar Timaus, bar Jonah of bar Jesus is greek for 'Son of'. So while Bar Jonah refers to the son of Jonah, Barjesus refers to the son of Jesus(not the Christ-the annointed one).

Just as there still are today, there were a lot of Jesuses at the time but there was only one who was from above, annointed with the Holy ghost and with power; who died for sin, was buried and was declared to be the son of God by the resurrection from the dead.

This one is sitted at the right hand of God, far above all principality and power and has with him raised up many sons to sit with him right there; among whom i am counted.

Glory to God!

@donnie

Haba, I am not denying his existence. How could I deny jesus existence when I have his story in my Book.

Thanks for the post anyway.

babs787:

@donnie

Haba, I am not denying his existence. How could I deny jesus existence when I have his story in my Book.

Thanks for the post anyway.

When I read the above post and your initial post,I wonder if we are dealing with a case of multiple personality.
So which Jesus did Muhammad choose to plagiarize?
If I hadn't met some real intelligent Muslims,I would have thought this was Islamic,now I realise it's just uhm uhm you!

How about the millions of Jesus Rodriguez and Perez in the Spanish world,very soon[b] "ba ba black sheep" [/b] will tell us they were the offsprings of Christ.
I gave up on his intelligence long long ago.

@babyosis

You own you mouth, you may use it to eat it.


Now which is the real Jesus out of the two

Mathew 2 v 13 – 16: Now when they had departed. Behold an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, rise take the child and his mother and flee to Egypt and remain there till I tell you, for Herod is about to search for the child and destroy him. and he rose and took the child and his mother by night and departed for Egypt and remained there until the death of Herod.

Note: following the birth of Jesus, Joseph and Mary flee to Egypt where they stayed until after Herod’s death in order to avoid the murder of their firstborn by Herod. Herod slaughtered all male infants two years old and under. There were 28 generations from David to Jesus and the annunciation occurred after Mary had conceinved Jesus.


Luke 2 v 22- 40: ( a long story, I can't type)

Note: following the birth of Jesus, Joseph and Mary remained in the area of Jerusalem for the presentation (about 40 days) and then returned to Nazareth without ever going to Egypt. There was no slaughter of the infants. There were 43 generations in all and the annunciation occurred before conception.


So sort it out, one left for Egypt while the other didnt.

babs787:

Luke 2 v 22- 40: ( a long story, I can't type)

Note: following the birth of Jesus, Joseph and Mary remained in the area of Jerusalem for the presentation (about 40 days) and then returned to Nazareth without ever going to Egypt.

They did not REMAIN in the area of JERUSALEM. They were outside of it, and only came for the ceremony prescribed:

Luke 2:22 - "And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord."

If they had REMAINED in the area of JERUSALEM, what is your explanation to "they brought him TO Jerusalem"??

@topic,

I'm sort of amused at the disingenousness of this topic. Does the original poster pretend that he doesn't actually know which of the persons with the name 'Jesus' was referred to as the CHRIST?

When a chap has a mindset pre-programmed against JESUS CHRIST and what He represents, it is no wonder that we read amusing topics like this.

@pilgrim_1,

@topic,

I'm sort of amused at the disingenousness of this topic. Does the original poster pretend that he doesn't actually know which of the persons with the name 'Jesus' was referred to as the CHRIST?

When a chap has a mindset pre-programmed against JESUS CHRIST and what He represents, it is no wonder that we read amusing topics like this.

That is the simple reason why I asked him the question: which one of these characters is the Jesus mentioned and revered in therir Qu'ran.

@pilgrim

When a chap has a mindset pre-programmed against JESUS CHRIST and what He represents, it is no wonder that we read amusing topics like this.

More of that. I am not perturbed  


They did not REMAIN in the area of JERUSALEM. They were outside of it, and only came for the ceremony prescribed:

Luke 2:22 - "And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord."

If they had REMAINED in the area of JERUSALEM, what is your explanation to "they brought him TO Jerusalem"??


Where was he born, was he not in Bethlehem? Is bethlehem part of Egypt. He was born in Bethlehem and was carried to Jerusalem and not Egypt, unless you want to tell me that Jerusalem is part of Egypt.

Secondly, no killing of infants was recorded in the story of Luke's Jesus.

Now in addition to the Jesus in the book of mathew where we read that Herod killed all infants from 2 years downward, why did John the Baptist escaped being killed because he was below 3 years then.

Thank you.

babs787:

Where was he born, was he not in Bethlehem? Is bethlehem part of Egypt. He was born in Bethlehem and was carried to Jerusalem and not Egypt, unless you want to tell me that Jerusalem is part of Egypt.

You indeed are a comedy of errors.
Mathew 2: 13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.
   14When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt
How do you come up with the lie that Jesus was carried into Jerusalem and not Egypt when the bible repeated same more than 3 times?

babs787:

Secondly, no killing of infants was recorded in the story of Luke's Jesus.

So since no killing of infants was recorded in the story of Luke we should safely assume that Mathew's account of same was not true? Can we extrapolate the same disingenous illogic to say since no miracles of mohammed are recorded anywhere in the quran that he therefore did not perform any miracles if indeed he is alleged to have performed any?

babs787:

Now in addition to the Jesus in the book of mathew where we read that Herod killed all infants from 2 years downward, why did John the Baptist escaped being killed because he was below 3 years then.

Matthew 2
   1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men. Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying,

Clearly, Jesus was born in bethlehem and Herod specifically indicated that the children to be killed where from Bethlehem and environs.

Now where was John the Baptist all these while siince he too was just about 1 when Jesus was born?

Luke 1: 39 And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda;
40 And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth

Clearly we are told that John was born in Juda and NOT bethlehem. So if Herod had all children of Bethlehem under 2 killed, we know John could not have been one of them as he was not living in that city.

@davidylan

Honestly, you are too hilarious. Are you trying to cover up the story? Your sister posted rejoinder on Luke and I replied but rather than read post before replying you never, but posted your rejoinder without thinking. If you care to know, Jesus of Luke did not leave for Egypt and no record of Killings. Please read Luke 2 v 22- 40 yourself and get back at me.

For your understand, this is the summary of the story in luke, so compare to mathew's

Note: following the birth of Jesus, Joseph and Mary remained in the area of Jerusalem for the presentation (about 40 days) and then returned to Nazareth without ever going to Egypt. There was no slaughter of the infants. There were 43 generations in all and the annunciation occurred before conception.

@babs787,

babs787:

@pilgrim

When a chap has a mindset pre-programmed against JESUS CHRIST and what He represents, it is no wonder that we read amusing topics like this.

More of that. I am not perturbed  

Nor am I.

babs787:


They did not REMAIN in the area of JERUSALEM. They were outside of it, and only came for the ceremony prescribed:

Luke 2:22 - "And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord."

If they had REMAINED in the area of JERUSALEM, what is your explanation to "they brought him TO Jerusalem"??


Where was he born, was he not in Bethlehem? Is bethlehem part of Egypt. He was born in Bethlehem and was carried to Jerusalem and not Egypt, unless you want to tell me that Jerusalem is part of Egypt.

I sometimes wonder at your reading skills.

What was your initial remark? -- "following the birth of Jesus, Joseph and Mary remained in the area of Jerusalem for the presentation".

Did they REMAIN in Jerusalem or they brought Him TO Jerusalem?? How do you GO TO a place where you already REMAIN there?

babs787:

Secondly, no killing of infants was recorded in the story of Luke's Jesus.

Now in addition to the Jesus in the book of mathew where we read that Herod killed all infants from 2 years downward, why did John the Baptist escaped being killed because he was below 3 years then.

Thank you.

If you want to learn, read the Gospels. If you don't want to, you can continue to believe in the Injil that you claim are LOST; which makes the Qur'an an INCOMPLETE book.

Jesus' birth and early childhood, family ancestry, and detail of His ministry are in the Bible, not in the Qur'an. When you're ready to learn, then answers will come. Until your reading skills improve, enjoy your mindset as I noted earlier.

Babs 787,
r u sure u're not the anti-christ referred to in the bible.

The Bible said the anti Christ would deceive many,meaning he'll have some degree of intelligence.
If this is the antiChrist,no one will be deceived.

@babyosisi,

The Bible said the anti Christ would deceive many,meaning he'll have some degree of intelligence.
If this is the antiChrist,no one will be deceived.

You are becoming very naughty. What a statement! I'm laughing my hearts out.