Dhumancanvas:
If all things were created independent from each other there is no reason why pretty much all spieces in some way share DNA.

I find this statement disturbing because it actually never represents the view of creationist.

God created everything independently but from the same SOURCE

Yet you guys will be forming scholar when it comes to Bible

If your statement is true, maybe then evolution is just a corrupted script of the Word of God.

Emusan:


I find this statement disturbing because it actually never represents the view of creationist.

God created everything independently but from the same SOURCE

Yet you guys will be forming scholar when it comes to Bible

If your statement is true, maybe then evolution is just a corrupted script of the Word of God.

What same source?

LordReed:


What same source?

You have Bible on your phone, good! Open to Genesis 1 and read it slowly.

Lastly, everything on earth were called EARTHLY creatures, there's a reason for that

Emusan:


You have Bible on your phone, good! Open to Genesis 1 and read it slowly.

Lastly, everything on earth were called EARTHLY creatures, there's a reason for that

And what of the sea and air creatures, were they made of earth too?

LordReed:


And what of the sea creatures were they made of earth too?

And I guess sea is not part of the earth

Emusan:


And I guess sea is not part of the earth

This is the first time I am hearing that water and earth are the same thing.

LordReed:


This is the first time I am hearing that water and earth are the same thing.

And who said so

Emusan:


And who said so

The bible clearly says it was water that brought forth sea and air creatures while earth brought forth land creatures but you say they are from the same source ergo earth and water are the same according to you.

LordReed:
The bible clear says it was water that brought forth sea and air creatures while earth brought forth land creatures but you say they are from the same source ergo earth and water are the same according to you.

I can see how you greatly misunderstood my point...

>Sea brought forth DIFFERENT CREATURES according to their kinds making sea creatures to be made from the same source.

Same thing with land and air!

All together including human are all EARTHLY CREATURES.

Emusan:


I can see how you greatly misunderstood my point...

>Sea brought forth DIFFERENT CREATURES according to their kinds making sea creatures to be made from the same source.

Same thing with land and air!

All together including human are all EARTHLY CREATURES.

This is just revisionist. The bible clearly separates the 2 but you are now saying it's the Earth that is the source. Why didn't the god say Earth bring forth sea, land and air creatures? Instead it speaks separately to water and to earth.

shadeyinka:

Very good question.
1. God exists beyond time as the first "cause" that generated "events" : this looks like a statement and yes it is! For there must exist a first "cause" that led to every other physical things.
2. Because we exist with consciousness, then there is no reason why God cannot exist.
3. If God was to be the "first cause", he must not be subject to the physical laws for all known physical laws existed after time T=0.
As Christians, we know God as a Spirit.

A spirit is a conscious/intelligent being not made out of matter.

How could God have created Himself: that would have been an impossibility except God had always existed.

But we know that all physical things had a beginning: if it has a beginning, there must be a cause!

Thanks

How did you come into conclusion God is the first and not caused? Are you not being bias and hypocritical here?

shadeyinka:

It's a prove of design

In design we Reuse, adapt and modify existing templates to form new ones. In creative activities we don't reinvent every time do we?

That design must be a learner.

LordReed:


This is just revisionist. The bible clearly separates the 2 but you are now saying it's the Earth that is the source. Why didn't the god say Earth bring forth sea, land and air creatures? Instead it speaks separately to water and to earth.

That's the problem with you people...leaving the main point of discussion and begin to go in circle.

Go back to my post you quoted and see you've deviated from the main point.

It seems budaatum is no longer an atheist......... If so my prophesy come true. Do you remmeber that thread budaa. You can't be open minded and still be an atheist. Impossible.

vaxx:
It seems budaatum is no longer an atheist......... If so my prophesy come true. Do you remmeber that thread budaa. You can't be open minded and still be an atheist. Impossible.

You know I've always been openminded. Reading books tends to do that to one. You read one, you believe it, you read another that opposes what you believe so you dump it for a new belief, and after you've done that enough times, you'd pretty much learn that your beliefs would not withstand the next book you read so you just stop believing altogether.

You should hear jesusjnr trying to take credit for my supposed conversion.

Emusan:


That's the problem with you people...leaving the main point of discussion and begin to go in circle.

Go back to my post you quoted and see you've deviated from the main point.

You stated that God created everything independently but from the same SOURCE and when pressed how water and earth are the same source you revise the bible. The bible does not say the god made the creatures from the Earth, it clearly states that the god made sea and air creatures from water while land creatures came from earth. It is you that has a problem with your own bible not me.

budaatum:

You know I've always been openminded. Reading books tends to do that to one. You read one, you believe it, you read another that opposes what you believe so you dump it for a new belief, and after you've done that enough times, you'd pretty much learn that your beliefs would not withstand the next book you read so you just stop believing altogether.

You should hear jesusjnr trying to take credit for my supposed conversion.

but you have really done well, so can you now tell me about your new faith?

vaxx:
but you have really done well, so can you now tell me about your new faith?

Lol vaxx! It's no different to my old faith, just that people need labels though I find them a bit of a bore. I'm discussing with HenryDion who thinks my new faith requires me to believe, for instance, and I'm waiting for him to show me the evidence for his claim. It should be interesting considering I find "believing" to be stupid.

LordReed:
You stated that God created everything independently but from the same SOURCE and when pressed how water and earth are the same source you revise the bible.

Imagine, when pressed or you couldn't phantom my post.

My last statement read: All creatures were called EARTHLY CREATURES, there's a reason for that...did you grab that

The bible does not say the god made the creatures from the Earth, it clearly states that the god made sea and air creatures from water while land creatures came from earth.

I can see how you keep confusing the word Earth and Land, so go back to my post again and make sure you understand what you read this time.

I've been seeing the way you keep committing this blunder "air creatures were created from water" sorry that's not what the Bible says.

It is you that has a problem with your own bible not me.

When it's evident that you couldn't decipher my post.

Emusan:


Imagine, when pressed or you couldn't phantom my post.

My last statement read: All creatures were called EARTHLY CREATURES, there's a reason for that...did you grab that



I can see how you keep confusing the word Earth and Land, so go back to my post again and make sure you understand what you read this time.

I've been seeing the way you keep committing this blunder "air creatures were created from water" sorry that's not what the Bible says.



When it's evident that you couldn't decipher my post.

Quote the bible where it says land based creatures were made from land or where air based creatures were made from earth. You people like revising the bible to fit your own pet hypothesis. Read the bible and you'll know the bible clearly differentiates between water and earth, in fact the bible authors treated water like a separate thing unto itself but no according to you earth and water are the same source. Na wa for revision.

Please budatuum can you help me with the Forensic faith pdf by Jim Warner Wallace?

Thanks.

CaveAdullam:
Please budatuum can you help me with the Forensic faith pdf by Jim Warner Wallace?

Thanks.

I'll think about it. After you educate us first.

Who is Jim Warner Wallace?

What is Forensic Faith about?

budaatum:

I'll think about it. After you educate us first.

Who is Jim Warner Wallace?

What is Forensic Faith about?

I know it's unrelated

What are your thoughts on Ayn Rand and Nietzsche?

danvon:
I know it's unrelated

What are your thoughts on Ayn Rand and Nietzsche?

If one claims ones eye's opened and those eyes have not gone over the works of both, one is most definitely blind. Both writers have hugely influenced the state of being in the world today. Nietzsche, [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Cbermensch]Übermensch[/url] in Book for All and None set goals for humans to strive towards once it is understood that, "Ye are God's", a concept that swept and empowered Americans at one point in time. His word play is what JeromeBlack would wittingly say is Aba made Yoda, and is one I suffer to emulate.

Powerful insightful influential cultist Ayn Rand turned America understanding of Nietzsche's Übermensch into the depraved world of 'me me' Americanism, in my opinion, with her amazing novels, Fountainhead, Atlas Shrugged and We The Living. Her nonfiction on objectivity especially, when compared to her actual living is a lesson for anyone who wishes to learn the folly of being objective or righteous, as some Christians say, as she exemplifies the art, or error, of objectifying her own subjectivity and has led many along the same path with her finely written, every single word in exactly the right place in over one thousand finely packed paged Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged, which you wished would never end the closer you got to the end of both books.

Unfortunately, she doesn't end and spawns the likes of Alan Greenspan with his so called "enlightened self interest", and "moral or immoral capitalism", and dare I say, the Republican Party as a whole, despite her so called Libertarianism.

I love Rand and Nietzsche. Both fine insightful writers who tasks the mind and open the eyes. If you believe a single word they wrote though instead of seeking to fully understanding the implications of what you read, you're doomed!

Below is a 48kb download of Ayn doing Thus Spake a la 1984 in [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthem_%28novella%29?wprov=sfla1]Anthem[/url].

It is a sin to write this. It is a sin to think words no others think and to put them down upon a paper no others are to see. It is base and evil. It is as if we were speaking alone to no ears but our own. And we know well that there is no transgression blacker than to do or think alone. We have broken the laws. The laws say that men may not write unless the Council of Vocations bid them so. May we be forgiven!

But this is not the only sin upon us. We have committed a greater crime, and for this crime there is no name. What punishment awaits us if it be discovered we know not, for no such crime has come in the memory of men and there are no laws to provide for it.

It is dark here. The flame of the candle stands still in the air. Nothing moves in this tunnel save our hand on the paper. We are alone here under the earth. It is a fearful word, alone. The laws say that none among men may be alone, ever and at any time, for this is the great transgression and the root of all evil. But we have broken many laws. And now there is nothing here save our one body, and it is strange to see only two legs stretched on the ground, and on the wall before us the shadow of our one head.

Anthem, Ayn Rand

budaatum:

If one claims ones eye's opened and those eyes have not gone over the works of both, one is most definitely blind. Both writers have hugely influenced the state of being in the world today. Nietzsche, [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Cbermensch]Übermensch[/url] in Book for All and None set goals for humans to strive towards once it is understood that, "Ye are God's", a concept that swept and empowered Americans at one point in time. His word play is what JeromeBlack would wittingly say is Aba made Yoda, and is one I suffer to emulate.

Powerful insightful influential cultist Ayn Rand turned America understanding of Nietzsche's Übermensch into the depraved world of 'me me' Americanism, in my opinion, with her amazing novels, Fountainhead, Atlas Shrugged and We The Living. Her nonfiction on objectivity especially, when compared to her actual living is a lesson for anyone who wishes to learn the folly of being objective or righteous, as some Christians say, as she exemplifies the art, or error, of objectifying her own subjectivity and has led many along the same path with her finely written, every single word in exactly the right place in over one thousand finely packed paged Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged, which you wished would never end the closer you got to the end of both books.

Unfortunately, she doesn't end and spawns the likes of Alan Greenspan with his so called "enlightened self interest", and "moral or immoral capitalism", and dare I say, the Republican Party as a whole, despite her so called Libertarianism.

I love Rand and Nietzsche. Both fine insightful writers who tasks the mind and open the eyes. If you believe a single word they wrote though instead of seeking to fully understanding the implications of what you read, you're doomed!

Below is a 48kb download of Ayn doing Thus Spake a la 1984 in [url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthem_%28novella%29?wprov=sfla1]Anthem[/url].

It is a sin to write this. It is a sin to think words no others think and to put them down upon a paper no others are to see. It is base and evil. It is as if we were speaking alone to no ears but our own. And we know well that there is no transgression blacker than to do or think alone. We have broken the laws. The laws say that men may not write unless the Council of Vocations bid them so. May we be forgiven!

But this is not the only sin upon us. We have committed a greater crime, and for this crime there is no name. What punishment awaits us if it be discovered we know not, for no such crime has come in the memory of men and there are no laws to provide for it.

It is dark here. The flame of the candle stands still in the air. Nothing moves in this tunnel save our hand on the paper. We are alone here under the earth. It is a fearful word, alone. The laws say that none among men may be alone, ever and at any time, for this is the great transgression and the root of all evil. But we have broken many laws. And now there is nothing here save our one body, and it is strange to see only two legs stretched on the ground, and on the wall before us the shadow of our one head.

Anthem, Ayn Rand

Okay Nice one

budaatum:

I'll think about it. After you educate us first.

Who is Jim Warner Wallace?

What is Forensic Faith about?

Jim Warner Wallace is the author of the book forensic faith. He is an American detective. As a result of his career, a detective in cold case homicide, he was able to establish some facts that supported Christianity and the main figure; The Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and the reason for GOD even when he was an atheist. He is now a born again Christian, using his intelligent profession to bring out "reasonable and possible facts" that really supports the claims that Jesus Christ is the Way, Truth and Life. This is what Forensic Faith is all about. Lol

He has written other books like Cold Case Christianity and God's Crime Scene which are prerequisite to Forensic Faith.

Anyways I have the book already in epub format. But I will also need you to help with "The Case For Christianity by Lee Strobel" should in case you have it in your PDF shelves.

Thanks.

God bless.

The Case for Christ: A Journalist's Personal Investigation of the Evidence for Jesus by Lee Strobel

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budaatum:
The Case for Christ: A Journalist's Personal Investigation of the Evidence for Jesus by Lee Strobel

Pdf dload

The case for Christianity is different from the case for Christ. What about questions Christians Hope no one will ask PDF by mittelberg?