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| Re: Are Those People In The Bible Before The Coming Of Jesus Also Going To Heaven? by OkCornel(m): 4:59pm On Apr 26, 2019 |
solite3: Let's start first. When is the Last day? Is it before or after the millennial reign of Christ? |
| Re: Are Those People In The Bible Before The Coming Of Jesus Also Going To Heaven? by OkCornel(m): 5:11pm On Apr 26, 2019 |
solite3: 1) How did God give man an evidence of Himself? 2) If God has given man an evidence of Himself (and is sufficient), why did Jesus instruct His disciples to go to the ends of the earth to preach the gospel? 3) What is the fate of those who never heard of Jesus or the Gospel? solite3: What is the fate of those who never heard of the gospel or of Jesus Christ? solite3: Well spoken, I have no objection to these. But my question still stands. How will those who never heard of the gospel or Jesus be judged? Will they be condemned to the lake of fire? solite3: You are repeating the error I have shown to the OP. Where was it stated that everyone who missed out on the first resurrection are condemned? Study Revelation 20 closely and show us. Those involved in the first resurrection are not just those that are saved, but those who were martyred for the sake of Christ, refused to worship the beast or take its mark. In essence, it is those saints who suffered for Christ in the course of the great tribulation. Please tell me how the old testament saints who lived before Christ or how those who never heard of Jesus and the gospel qualifies to be a part of the first resurrection... solite3: Again, show us where everyone who missed the first resurrection are condemned. Also find out if the last day is before or after the millennial reign of Christ... 1 Like |
| Re: Are Those People In The Bible Before The Coming Of Jesus Also Going To Heaven? by alBHAGDADI: 7:35pm On Apr 26, 2019 |
OkCornel: Don't refer me to the discussion between Jesus and Nicodemus. As a Bible student that you post to be, explain what born again is. Every fool can claim to be born again these days. It took you About a month before you finally answered the question I e been asking. Now, to know you truly understand what born again is, explain it to me as a lay man. That is where you will be exposed. ; D |
| Re: Are Those People In The Bible Before The Coming Of Jesus Also Going To Heaven? by alBHAGDADI: 7:42pm On Apr 26, 2019 |
solite3: @solite3 May God bless you today. You just stated the same thing I've been explaining to that guy all day. The bolded part is what he has failed to understand. Okcornel, you see your life?  |
| Re: Are Those People In The Bible Before The Coming Of Jesus Also Going To Heaven? by OkCornel(m): 7:59pm On Apr 26, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: I didn't answer you on the other thread because it was very obvious you were deflecting from the topic after you admitted your defeat after you were soundly thrashed. Now you're coming up here with the same strategy after your lies are exposed. How else can I explain being born-again to you? The discussion between Jesus and Nicodemus is very straightforward for anyone to understand what it takes to be born again Unless you are just confirming to everyone here that you a m.oron bereft of any iota of understanding. DON'T THINK YOU'RE FOOLING ANYONE HERE WITH YOUR DEFLECTION STRATEGY...YOU ARE TRYING REAL HARD TO CHANGE THE COURSE OF DISCUSSION WHILST DODGING THE QUESTION BELOW IS THE LAST DAY BEFORE OR AFTER THE MILLENNIAL REIGN OF CHRIST? answer that question and expose your folly... |
| Re: Are Those People In The Bible Before The Coming Of Jesus Also Going To Heaven? by OkCornel(m): 8:02pm On Apr 26, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: I'm waiting for solite3 to reply to my response... You are obviously a daft mor.on... While at it, answer my question. Is the last day before or after the millennial reign of Christ? Your answer to this question will show you how stupid you've been so far on this thread... |
| Re: Are Those People In The Bible Before The Coming Of Jesus Also Going To Heaven? by alBHAGDADI: 8:05pm On Apr 26, 2019 |
OkCornel: I beg you in the name of Jesus, please explain what born again means. |
| Re: Are Those People In The Bible Before The Coming Of Jesus Also Going To Heaven? by alBHAGDADI: 8:07pm On Apr 26, 2019 |
OkCornel: He already told you the same thing I've been hammering into your hard skull all day. Now you want to apply the same tactics you used on me by repeating already answered questions. Before he knows it, you are already quoting one single verse a hundred times using purple font. Answer my own question first. At least I've been asking g for weeks now. |
| Re: Are Those People In The Bible Before The Coming Of Jesus Also Going To Heaven? by OkCornel(m): 8:11pm On Apr 26, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: In the name of Jesus, go and study the discussion between Jesus and Nicodemus on what being born-again is about... Or are you expecting me to say anything different from Jesus? Or are you implying is a poor teacher? Nah... you're just a hardened m.oron bereft of understanding. MEANWHILE...IS THE LAST DAY BEFORE OR AFTER THE MILLENNIAL REIGN OF JESUS? KEEP ON DODGING THIS QUESTION... |
| Re: Are Those People In The Bible Before The Coming Of Jesus Also Going To Heaven? by alBHAGDADI: 8:13pm On Apr 26, 2019 |
OkCornel: Another wasted post. Please explain to me what born again means. Don't run away from the question. |
| Re: Are Those People In The Bible Before The Coming Of Jesus Also Going To Heaven? by OkCornel(m): 8:14pm On Apr 26, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Is the last day before or after the millennial reign of Christ? All of a sudden you don't understand the discussion between Jesus and Nicodemus on what being born-again is about...all in a bid to dodge the above question... Perhaps solite3 can help your numbskull... Is the last day before or after the millennial reign of Christ? |
| Re: Are Those People In The Bible Before The Coming Of Jesus Also Going To Heaven? by OkCornel(m): 8:16pm On Apr 26, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: You are a shameless liar... Jesus has explained what it means to be born again...the answer is just too glaring in his discussion with Nicodemus... You're trying too hard to steer away from this question... IS THE LAST DAY BEFORE OR AFTER THE MILLENNIAL REIGN OF CHRIST? |
| Re: Are Those People In The Bible Before The Coming Of Jesus Also Going To Heaven? by alBHAGDADI: 8:18pm On Apr 26, 2019 |
OkCornel: What does it mean to be born again? Why can't you out of shame answer this question I've been asking for over a month now? Don't you know that the moment you answer correctly, I will immediately answer your own question which you just asked today? Please don't Dodge na |
| Re: Are Those People In The Bible Before The Coming Of Jesus Also Going To Heaven? by alBHAGDADI: 8:20pm On Apr 26, 2019 |
OkCornel: Oya show me how Jesus explained it na. Do it in a layman way. You are so funny. It's like when I ask you to tell me why you are a boy, instead of explaining it right there, you are referring me to a Biology Textbook. Of you can't boldly explain why you are a boy without the help of a biology textbook, then you are not a boy. |
| Re: Are Those People In The Bible Before The Coming Of Jesus Also Going To Heaven? by OkCornel(m): 8:24pm On Apr 26, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: It is very obvious you have seen your lies exposed here... you're trying so hard to dodge the question below... IS THE LAST DAY BEFORE OR AFTER THE MILLENNIAL REIGN OF CHRIST? |
| Re: Are Those People In The Bible Before The Coming Of Jesus Also Going To Heaven? by alBHAGDADI: 8:27pm On Apr 26, 2019 |
OkCornel: Okay, let's assume I'm a member of one of your precious Amazon tribe lost in the jungle and you had the opportunity to preach to me. How will you answer if I ask what it means to be born again? Are you going to refer me to the words of Jesus in a Bible I can't read? |
| Re: Are Those People In The Bible Before The Coming Of Jesus Also Going To Heaven? by OkCornel(m): 9:23pm On Apr 26, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: If you do not understand the words of Jesus to Nicodemus here..then you have no right to call yourself a born-again... You are someone who tells a lot of lies and still claim your revelation is from the Holy Spirit; John 3 v 3-8 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. How else do you want Jesus to explain the concept of being born again better than this? I am not surprised, you are totally bereft of understanding... BACK TO MY QUESTION: IS THE LAST DAY BEFORE OR AFTER THE MILLENNIAL REIGN OF CHRIST? |
| Re: Are Those People In The Bible Before The Coming Of Jesus Also Going To Heaven? by alBHAGDADI: 9:31pm On Apr 26, 2019 |
OkCornel: I still don't understand. How can I be born of spirit? That is how we will know if you are truly born again. Remember, I'm an Amazon lost tribe |
| Re: Are Those People In The Bible Before The Coming Of Jesus Also Going To Heaven? by OkCornel(m): 9:37pm On Apr 26, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: The tactic you are adopting here is what shameless losers do. Once they seen they've been defeated...in order to save their face and hide from shame, they bring up another topic to steer away from questions they know if they answer...they've been wrong all the while. alBHAGDADI, when is the last day? is it before or after the millennial reign of Christ? |
| Re: Are Those People In The Bible Before The Coming Of Jesus Also Going To Heaven? by alBHAGDADI: 9:40pm On Apr 26, 2019 |
OkCornel: Rather, you know that the tactics will expose that you know nothing about the Bible and that you are not in the right place to speak authoritatively about it. This is why you are unable to answer my question. What is born again and how do I get born of spirit? |
| Re: Are Those People In The Bible Before The Coming Of Jesus Also Going To Heaven? by OkCornel(m): 9:52pm On Apr 26, 2019 |
Ladies and Gentlemen of Nairaland following this thread. alBHAGDADI has been dodging a question which is really important per the subject of the thread. He claims that all those who missed out on the first resurrection are already condemned to the lake of fire. Up till now he is yet to answer if the last day is before or after the millennial reign of Christ. It is obvious that the second phase of judgment which occurs after the millennial reign of Christ is obviously the last day before eternity sets in. Even Martha believed that brother Lazarus would be raised on the last day - prior to when Jesus eventually resurrected him as a miracle; she clearly mentioned this in John 3 v 24; Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. Going further to the parable of the sheeps and the goats, this would be done on the last day; Matthew 25 v 31-46; 31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Having compared these scriptures side by side with the lies alBHAGDADI is spewing that everyone involved in the judgment after the millennial reign of Christ in Revelation 20 are all condemned to the Lake of Fire... He is scared to answer if the last day is before or after the resurrection...and now he's playing hide and seek with the born-again card... All of a sudden, the teachings of Jesus to Nicodemus is something he has absolutely no understanding of... 1 Like |
| Re: Are Those People In The Bible Before The Coming Of Jesus Also Going To Heaven? by OkCornel(m): 9:56pm On Apr 26, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: You are working very hard to deflect away from the topic of discussion; Answer this question that has to do with the topic of the thread. Is the last day before or after the millennial reign of Christ? Answer the question and reveal your ignorance to Nairaland as you've always done on other threads... If you want an extensive discussion on what born again entails, open another thread let us discuss... Till then... Is the last day before or after the millennial reign of Christ? |
| Re: Are Those People In The Bible Before The Coming Of Jesus Also Going To Heaven? by OkCornel(m): 9:58pm On Apr 26, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: So I am dealing with a m.oron who doesn't understand the words of Jesus, but still thinks he knows the scriptures better than anyone else... This is a deeper level of folly from alBHAGDADI we are all witnessing here...  |
| Re: Are Those People In The Bible Before The Coming Of Jesus Also Going To Heaven? by alBHAGDADI: 10:31pm On Apr 26, 2019 |
OkCornel: First and foremost, there is nothing like a second phase of judgement. Judgment is only once. You have no prove that it is twice, unless you want to lie. Secondly, you said the last day is the white throne judgement, right? This is very wrong and you have. o verse to back it up just your own natural man understanding. Now let me school you as usual The rapture involves the resurrection of all those who died in Christ. That is the first resurrection and it is for those who already have eternal life. Do you know that that is the last day Jesus was talking about? John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. As seen above, the last day is when all those who believed in Jesus from Abel to Abraham to Peter, Paul, Mathew, John, Lazarus and me, would be resurrected. That is the rapture after the Great Tribulation, and we shall meet Jesus in the sky in our perfect bodies and with eternal life. Next will be the millennial reign which will see us reign with Christ. By then, Satan would have been chained in the bottomless pit. I just used a Bible verse to show you that the last day is the day Jesus resurrects his believers before the millennial reign. But a numbskull like yourself thinks the word last day is literal and so should mean the last day on Earth. OkCornel: The last day is the resurrection of the righteous. I just showed you how Jesus said so himself. John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. After that follows the millennial reign of Christ during which Satan is bound. Next comes the judgment of those who missed out in the first resurrection which is the one all those who believed in Jesus partook in, which is the resurrection that takes place on what Jesus calls the last day which is not to be taken literally. See how my explanation matches with the Revelations 20 you've been quoting all day Revelation 20 King James Version (KJV) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. |
| Re: Are Those People In The Bible Before The Coming Of Jesus Also Going To Heaven? by alBHAGDADI: 10:35pm On Apr 26, 2019 |
OkCornel: Who says I don't understand the words of Jesus? I only want you to explain it to me in your own terms which will make me know whether you truly understand what Jesus said or not. The fact that you keep referring me to Jesus shows you don't understand what Jesus said, so you want me to hear it from his mouth. Oya answer What does it mean to be born again? How do I become born of spirit? |
| Re: Are Those People In The Bible Before The Coming Of Jesus Also Going To Heaven? by sonmvayina(m): 11:06pm On Apr 26, 2019 |
I am more worried about those who have heard the story and still believe the bull sheet... |
| Re: Are Those People In The Bible Before The Coming Of Jesus Also Going To Heaven? by OkCornel(m): 5:57am On Apr 27, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Unless your thick skull bereft of understanding doesn't understand what I've said so far. The great white throne judgment is in two phases, I never said judgment is done twice you desperate liar. The first phase involves the resurrection of those martyred for Christ, the second phase involves the judgment of those who missed out on the first resurrection. CHECK THIS THREAD AND SHOW ME WHERE I MENTIONED THOSE INVOLVED IN THE FIRST RESURRECTION ARE ALSO JUDGED YOU SHAMELESS LIAR... alBHAGDADI: See the mo.ron I've been dealing with all the while... If the last day is the day of the first resurrection, then what should we call the days when Christ millennial reign occurs? The days after the last day? alBHAGDADI: You are totally dumb. If the first resurrection happens on the last day, what days would the millennial reign of Christ occur? And what day should the second resurrection be called? Go and read the words of Jesus in Matthew 25 v 31-46; the separation of the goats from the sheeps would be done at the same time! If your thick head still doesn't get it, look at the qualifications of those involved in the first resurrection and tell me if its every righteous person before the era of Jesus on earth would be involved, talk less of those who haven't heard the gospel but still follows their conscience to do good and shun evil; Revelation 20 v 4-6; 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Read Revelation 20 v 4 and tell us how someone like Job qualifies for the first resurrection. Don't be dumb...unless you want to tell us Job died because he witnessed for Jesus... alBHAGDADI: Just hold it right there and tell us how someone like Job qualifies for the first resurrection...if indeed the second resurrection (which is the last day) involves only those who are condemned... Read what qualifies those for the first resurrection slowly and tell us how the likes of Job fits in... alBHAGDADI: Compare the judgment of those involved in the second resurrection to the parables of the sheeps and the goats in Matthew 25 v 31-46. If truly everyone involved in the second resurrection is condemned, why are names being searched for in the book of life after everyone has been judged ACCORDING TO THEIR DEEDS? |
| Re: Are Those People In The Bible Before The Coming Of Jesus Also Going To Heaven? by Godssword1(m): 6:00am On Apr 27, 2019 |
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| Re: Are Those People In The Bible Before The Coming Of Jesus Also Going To Heaven? by OkCornel(m): 6:00am On Apr 27, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Open another thread, mention everyone here on this thread, and we will discuss everything that pertains to being born again on that thread. We are still dealing with the last day issue on this thread! |
| Re: Are Those People In The Bible Before The Coming Of Jesus Also Going To Heaven? by OkCornel(m): 6:17am On Apr 27, 2019 |
If according to alBHAGDADI, the last day involves only the resurrection of the righteous... alBHAGDADI: Why did Jesus also say that those who rejected Him would also be judged on the last day? John 12 v 48; He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. Isn't this further proof that the separation of the goats from the sheep, and their reward after their works are judged would be done on the last day which is the day of the second resurrection? Infact, John 5 v 28-29 further buttresses that fact; 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. These are the words of Jesus, the separation of the goats from the sheeps would be done on the same day! If the second resurrection involves only those that are condemned, why are names being searched for in the book of life? |
| Re: Are Those People In The Bible Before The Coming Of Jesus Also Going To Heaven? by alBHAGDADI: 7:29am On Apr 27, 2019 |
OkCornel: This one doesn't know the series of events that takes place during the last day. He even thinks the last day is the last day on Earth like December 31 being the last day in a year He also doesn't know what happens at rapture. To him, resurrection is in three phases: The rapture, the resurrection of matyred people the resurrection of the condemned. Na wah o. Simply because he saw the matyred people in revelations 20, he now thinks the event happened during the white throne judgment. He failed to notice that the martyrs are among those who resurrect during the rapture, not during the great white throne. OkCornel: The last day is not a literal phrase but represents a period of time. That's why Jesus could say he would raise his believers which include his disciples, followers and everyone who believed in him from Abel on the last day. John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day And he also said he would resurrect the rejected people on the last day which doesn't mean the same day. John 12 v 48; He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. The first people resurrected on the last day are those who will reign with Christ for a millennium. The rest of the dead remain dead during that period Revelations 20:4-5 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. As seen above, the rest of the dead live not again. But a funny you say those in the first resurrection are only those who got martyred and didn't receive the mark of the beast. What you have implied is that John who didn't get martyred won't partake in that resurrection and won't reign with Christ. He will now wait till the second resurrection which death has power over can you see your foolishness? OkCornel: As seen above, you have implied that John the Apostle who wrote the book of Revelations won't partake in the first resurrection because he lacks any of those qualities. It means he won't reign with Christ. John must be ashamed of you right now. Of course he will reign with Christ because the first resurrection is not only for martyred people but for all those who believe in Jesus. Let me ask you, did John die in Christ? Of course he did. Below is Paul talking about the first resurrection and it involves those who died in Christ (Which includes John) and those still alive in Christ. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 (KJV) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. But your foolish self days the first resurrection is only for the martyrs and it takes place at the great white throne judgment. The Bible speaks in revelations 20:4 that they are raised before the white throne judgement which happens in verse 11. OkCornel: Job? How do you think God has been saving mankind since Abel? Do you think salvation started with Jesus dieing on the cross? No it started with looking forward to that day. That's how Abraham got saved and also Job. They all looked forward to the day Jesus would come and give his grace. They had faith in it including David. We today look back at the day of Grace and have faith in it. Salvation is by faith through grace and that's why Job and Moses got saved and would partake in the first resurrection of those who believe in Jesus. Ephesians 2:8-9 King James Version (KJV) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. .Go back and read the OP, it carries the explanation better. And stop jumping in at the tail end of my threads. Your last paragraph, solite3 already told you that God is a just God and would follow due process. He has to show them that their names are not written in the book of Life after he's convicted them of their sins. Not doing that would amount to injustice. Even an earthly judge allows for fair trial of a confessed terrorists. |
| Re: Are Those People In The Bible Before The Coming Of Jesus Also Going To Heaven? by alBHAGDADI: 7:30am On Apr 27, 2019 |
OkCornel:Scroll up the answer you require lies there. |
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