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Re: Zamfara Supreme Court Judgement: Did PDP Meet The Constitutional Requirement? by ihatesycophant(m): 3:18pm On May 25, 2019
shayubobo:
Oga that is not olodo,i hope you remember how Aregbesola emerged as Governor in 2010.... where several votes were cancelled in some areas and Aregbesola was declared winner
The electoral law has been modified and re-modified since that time. In our today's electoral law no such vote as wasted but invalid vote which are part of vote cast. No court and I mean no court can segregate citizen vote because he voted for a certain party of his choice. As at the time of voting APC candidates were legally entitled to be voted for based on court ruling and sustained by the process of Appeal sought by one party. A case that has been Appealed cannot be implemented. Meaning APC votes were part of the votes cast as at the time PDP had its own. Now that APC has no right to contest in the first place that does not take a way the vote cast for them as valid but now turned to invalid by Supreme Court judgement. By our electoral law every invalid vote is also part of cast vote

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Re: Zamfara Supreme Court Judgement: Did PDP Meet The Constitutional Requirement? by seunmsg(m): 3:39pm On May 25, 2019
udemzyudex:


Ok but the supreme court said its wasted vote.


Wasted votes and void votes are the same. All these arguments are just semantics from partisan interest. Wasted/void votes are valid when determining the total vote cast in any election. Arguing otherwise is going against the constitution and the electoral act. If the PDP candidate failed to get 25% of total vote cast in at least 2/3 of the local governments in the state, INEC will have to conduct a run-off election between the candidates of PDP and the party that came third. Anything short of what I have explained will amount to illegality.
Re: Zamfara Supreme Court Judgement: Did PDP Meet The Constitutional Requirement? by Sufisunni: 4:11pm On May 25, 2019
seunmsg:


Wasted votes and void votes are the same. All these arguments are just semantics from partisan interest. Wasted/void votes are valid when determining the total vote cast in any election. Arguing otherwise is going against the constitution and the electoral act. If the PDP candidate failed to get 25% of total vote cast in at least 2/3 of the local governments in the state, INEC will have to conduct a run-off election between the candidates of PDP and the party that came third. Anything short of what I have explained will amount to illegality.
No! Wasted votes are non-existence votes. Valid, invalid and voided votes these terms have been in legal parlance for a while and supreme Court judges are well acquainted with it, but explicitly used the term "wasted votes". No one counts wasted votes, this is the interpretation of Apex court judges.

The required spread is a discussion of valid votes, which APC's non-existence votes don't in.

Law doesn't deal with emotions but legality of matter at hand and often to serve as deterrent to others. Whether 1 million people are being disenfranchised is non issue in court of law. Don't forget in a hurry, that Rotimi Amaechi was in USA enjoying himself while Celestine Omeh whom campaiged and people voted for was later on denied by same Apex court based on the fact that people don't vote candidates but party

Furthermore, voided vote is an invalid vote because it's not well thumb printed; the party voted for can't be ascertained, but wasted votes are thumb printed votes in favour of a particular party. This is the interpretation of supreme Court. No where in electoral law that says a vote well ascertained for a party is voided vote.

Re: Zamfara Supreme Court Judgement: Did PDP Meet The Constitutional Requirement? by AbidemiAy(m): 4:13pm On May 25, 2019
Very interesting topic to debate.
having read through all the contributions by learnered Professors on this forum *PaChukwudi44*, *Garfield1*, *Philipu1* Engineerboat* and many others.

My opinion as a layman is also in line with *Backubuck* concern why Supreme Court did not declare the winner directly but rather still hinged it on *IF* the runners up fulfilled *the electroal law*. The question as asked by op of the topic is *Did PDP meet the constitution requirements*? I think we need to put our parties affiliate aside as ponder on this question or concern by *Backubuck*. Why didn't Supreme court declare PDP or the runners up the winner.?

*PaChukwudi44* made reference to margin of wins in Sokoto and Osun elections, but what he fails to realise was that Tambuwal and Oyetola met the Constitution requirements of 25% of 2/3. Therefore invalid votes cannot invalidate their wins. But in this case having removed APC votes, does PDP met constitution requirements. The answer is *NO*

Supreme Court ruled and used conditional word *IF*, the court did not say or order INEC to declare runner's up a winner. I will conclude to say not likely to declare PDP winner by INEC but more likely to order a rerun in order to fulfil constitutional requirements and in order not to defranchise more than 500k people who voted for APC.

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Re: Zamfara Supreme Court Judgement: Did PDP Meet The Constitutional Requirement? by wingmanII: 4:31pm On May 25, 2019
Inec has already declared PDP winner in all the Zamfara elections.
You all can take them to court.
Fucking beer parlor lawyers
Re: Zamfara Supreme Court Judgement: Did PDP Meet The Constitutional Requirement? by Udantu: 4:35pm On May 25, 2019
Re: Zamfara Supreme Court Judgement: Did PDP Meet The Constitutional Requirement? by Udantu: 4:37pm On May 25, 2019
seunmsg:


Wasted votes and void votes are the same. All these arguments are just semantics from partisan interest. Wasted/void votes are valid when determining the total vote cast in any election. Arguing otherwise is going against the constitution and the electoral act. If the PDP candidate failed to get 25% of total vote cast in at least 2/3 of the local governments in the state, INEC will have to conduct a run-off election between the candidates of PDP and the party that came third. Anything short of what I have explained will amount to illegality.

Yen yen yen

Inec has already declared Pdp winners

Go and argue with supreme court

https://thenationonlineng.net/breaking-inec-declares-pdp-winner-in-all-zamfara-elections/

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Re: Zamfara Supreme Court Judgement: Did PDP Meet The Constitutional Requirement? by garfield1: 4:44pm On May 25, 2019
Buckubuck:

I like ur logic abt the court not being a tribunal. But it buttresses the fact then that if APC was not supposed to be on the ballot, then whatever accrued to it does not exist in real terms. It's almost as if saying those people did not vote at all.
They voted sir legally for nobody but they voted..
Re: Zamfara Supreme Court Judgement: Did PDP Meet The Constitutional Requirement? by Nobody: 4:47pm On May 25, 2019
garfield1:

You dont just reason from the anus you dwell there.this argument is over,if you continue replying me,ill continually hit you hard.be guided...



lolzzzzzzzzzzzz
pained

meanwhile, Inec declares pdp winner of all elective positions in zamfara state.


https://www.independent.ng/breaking-inec-declares-matawalle-other-pdp-candidates-winners-zamfara-polls/?utm_source=&utm_medium=facebook


U need real emotional treatment.

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Re: Zamfara Supreme Court Judgement: Did PDP Meet The Constitutional Requirement? by garfield1: 4:47pm On May 25, 2019
OGHENAOGIE:
if am pro pdp it's my right...let's stay on d cos here...the Supreme Court didn't order for re run it said declare d second runner up winner...moreover let's wait for inec interpretations on Monday...and stop dis useless partisan supportership except dem de pay u... Apc shd wait til 2023 re run or not pdp has an advantage and won't let it slip...
You cannot be pro pdp and still pretend to be neutral politically.i cant accept that.its morally wrong.seems you are not following or you dont know zamfara.a rerun means apc will retain the state mr
Re: Zamfara Supreme Court Judgement: Did PDP Meet The Constitutional Requirement? by garfield1: 4:49pm On May 25, 2019
Osagyefo98:




lolzzzzzzzzzzzz
pained

meanwhile, Inec declares pdp winner of all elective positions in zamfara state.


https://www.independent.ng/breaking-inec-declares-matawalle-other-pdp-candidates-winners-zamfara-polls/?utm_source=&utm_medium=facebook


U need real emotional treatment.
Yea,i am undergoing treatment but i heard that your a patient at yabaleft.it fits your station
Re: Zamfara Supreme Court Judgement: Did PDP Meet The Constitutional Requirement? by garfield1: 4:50pm On May 25, 2019
PaChukwudi44:

500k people voted legitimately? What brand of weed are you smoking?
The one you invented
Re: Zamfara Supreme Court Judgement: Did PDP Meet The Constitutional Requirement? by garfield1: 4:51pm On May 25, 2019
udemzyudex:


Ok but the supreme court said its wasted vote.
Its a vote wasted or not
Re: Zamfara Supreme Court Judgement: Did PDP Meet The Constitutional Requirement? by Nobody: 4:52pm On May 25, 2019
garfield1:

They voted sir legally for nobody but they voted..
Yes. Indeed they voted. Just as people in osun voted as well. I think we should just see how it pans out on Monday
Re: Zamfara Supreme Court Judgement: Did PDP Meet The Constitutional Requirement? by Nobody: 4:52pm On May 25, 2019
garfield1:

Yea,i am undergoing treatment but i heard that your a patient at yabaleft.it fits your station


Am done with you.
Done and Dusted...

Let me beam my searchlight on other issues.....
Re: Zamfara Supreme Court Judgement: Did PDP Meet The Constitutional Requirement? by garfield1: 4:54pm On May 25, 2019
Osagyefo98:



Am done with you.
Done and Dusted...

Let me beam my searchlight on other issues.....
Am sure you are celebrating the victory like adeleke.may you continue celebrating till you celebrate out of oblivion tribalist
Re: Zamfara Supreme Court Judgement: Did PDP Meet The Constitutional Requirement? by garfield1: 4:56pm On May 25, 2019
Buckubuck:

Yes. Indeed they voted. Just as people in osun voted as well. I think we should just see how it pans out on Monday
Inec just declared pdp candidate winner so the matter ends there for now but i still hold on to my opinion and hopes that one day,the records will be set straight
Re: Zamfara Supreme Court Judgement: Did PDP Meet The Constitutional Requirement? by cyberguy72(m): 4:58pm On May 25, 2019
ihatesycophant:
The electoral law has been modified and re-modified since that time. In our today's electoral law no such vote as wasted but invalid vote which are part of vote cast. No court and I mean no court can segregate citizen vote because he voted for a certain party of his choice. As at the time of voting APC candidates were legally entitled to be voted for based on court ruling and sustained by the process of Appeal sought by one party. A case that has been Appealed cannot be implemented. Meaning APC votes were part of the votes cast as at the time PDP had its own. Now that APC has no right to contest in the first place that does not take a way the vote cast for them as valid but now turned to invalid by Supreme Court judgement. By our electoral law every invalid vote is also part of cast vote
Lol desperate Zombie
Re: Zamfara Supreme Court Judgement: Did PDP Meet The Constitutional Requirement? by Nobody: 4:59pm On May 25, 2019
garfield1:

Am sure you are celebrating the victory like adeleke.may you continue celebrating till you celebrate out of oblivion tribalist


Look at unnecessary accusations again....have our part crossed before here?


Anyway stop hitting my shares, is irritating...stop it...stop it...

What sort of nonsense is that.
Re: Zamfara Supreme Court Judgement: Did PDP Meet The Constitutional Requirement? by garfield1: 5:01pm On May 25, 2019
Osagyefo98:



Look at unnecessary accusations again....have our part crossed before here?


Anyway stop hitting my shares, is irritating...stop it...stop it...

What sort of nonsense is that.
But i warned you na.i told you to stop the debate but you pushed on.you should never have argued with me forgetting that i greatly disgust or unnerve you
Re: Zamfara Supreme Court Judgement: Did PDP Meet The Constitutional Requirement? by Udantu: 5:01pm On May 25, 2019
Udantu:
Wasted votes are dead votes

Zamfara at a glance. Crunching the figures: PRE-SUPREME COURT JUDGMENT:
1) total votes cast: 810, 782
2) total cancelled votes: 17,844
3) total valid votes: 792,938
4) APC votes: 534,541
5) PDP votes: 189, 452
6) NRM votes: 15, 177

POST-SUPREME COURT JUDGEMENT:

1) Total valid votes 792, 938
- APC wasted votes 534, 541
= 258, 541

2) total valid votes at play
= 258, 541
3) cancelled votes 17, 844

RESULTS AS THEY STAND POST-SUPREME COURT JUDGEMENT:

1) PDP 189, 452
2) NRM 15, 177

a) Difference between PDP & NRM votes: 174, 272

b) Cancelled votes 17,844

i) Total votes cast: 258, 397
ii) PDP votes 189, 452
Difference = 68, 945

Pdp has won it

Inec indeed cancelled Apc votes since they are legally dead

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Re: Zamfara Supreme Court Judgement: Did PDP Meet The Constitutional Requirement? by Nobody: 5:04pm On May 25, 2019
garfield1:

Inec just declared pdp candidate winner so the matter ends there for now but i still hold on to my opinion and hopes that one day,the records will be set straight
If inec just did that, then I suggest you let go of ur opinion. The matter has several precedence which inec followed. Osun 2010 is the clearest I remember

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Re: Zamfara Supreme Court Judgement: Did PDP Meet The Constitutional Requirement? by Nobody: 5:06pm On May 25, 2019
garfield1:

But i warned you na.i told you to stop the debate but you pushed on.you should never have argued with me forgetting that i greatly disgust or unnerve you


Let me legally ignore you, and focus on other issues.

Don't just hit that shares again......The matter is over, u can masturbate on it or discuss it with other monikers but avoid my quote and shares....


Don't get me over worked and angry here......

Winner takes it all.
Re: Zamfara Supreme Court Judgement: Did PDP Meet The Constitutional Requirement? by mushystuff: 5:26pm On May 25, 2019
PHILipu1:

But the court did not say that those votes did not exists abi?

So if the number of wasted,voided,rubbish votes are higher than the difference between the winner and loser,is that not a re run?

No it is not a rerun. Good thing INEC isn't as confused as some of you are over simple English. PDP has been declared winner of all positions in Zamfara.

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Re: Zamfara Supreme Court Judgement: Did PDP Meet The Constitutional Requirement? by Cutiesleezy: 5:30pm On May 25, 2019
seunmsg:


This is a PRE-election matter, the whole 500,000+ votes APC scored, doesn't NOT exist...it SHOULDN'T have been counted in the FIRST place, and CANNOT count now... whether as invalid, void, or whatever words you chose to use...those votes simply doesn't EXIST
Very wrong conclusion. Void votes are valid when determining total vote cast in an election. The votes scored by Zamfara APC (though now voided) are still very valid when determining the total vote cast for the election.

The above notwithstanding, the OP is also wrong in claiming that the PDP candidate need 202,696 votes to be returned elected. All that is required to win a governorship election is for a candidate to score a simple majority of the vote cast and get 25% of total vote cast in at least 2/3 of all the local government in the state.
Re: Zamfara Supreme Court Judgement: Did PDP Meet The Constitutional Requirement? by mushystuff: 5:32pm On May 25, 2019
seunmsg:



Very wrong conclusion. Void votes are valid when determining total vote cast in an election. The votes scored by Zamfara APC (though now voided) are still very valid when determining the total vote cast for the election.

The above notwithstanding, the OP is also wrong in claiming that the PDP candidate need 202,696 votes to be returned elected. All that is required to win a governorship election is for a candidate to score a simple majority of the vote cast and get 25% of total vote cast in at least 2/3 of all the local government in the state.

Re: Zamfara Supreme Court Judgement: Did PDP Meet The Constitutional Requirement? by udemzyudex(m): 6:02pm On May 25, 2019
seunmsg:


Wasted votes and void votes are the same. All these arguments are just semantics from partisan interest. Wasted/void votes are valid when determining the total vote cast in any election. Arguing otherwise is going against the constitution and the electoral act. If the PDP candidate failed to get 25% of total vote cast in at least 2/3 of the local governments in the state, INEC will have to conduct a run-off election between the candidates of PDP and the party that came third. Anything short of what I have explained will amount to illegality.

I don't think there will be anything like a rerun here.
Re: Zamfara Supreme Court Judgement: Did PDP Meet The Constitutional Requirement? by rafindo(m): 6:28pm On May 25, 2019
[quote author=Mk93 post=78708779]
so we should take this case to Sharia court?[/quote.

What does sharia has to with this case now.
My opinion is strictly base on judicial reasoning.
Does the constitution recognize wasted vote.
What makes a vote wasted.
What happens if the above scenarios occurs.
The logical thing here is that 60% of those that voted for winner can't be disenfranchised just like .the number is enough to till the scale of who governs a state.if we allow this scenario to go unchallenged we will be in for more judicial reggae .where interests will disrupt primaries of their opponent hoping at the long run they benefit from the court vote.
Re: Zamfara Supreme Court Judgement: Did PDP Meet The Constitutional Requirement? by buharitill2023: 6:55pm On May 25, 2019
Ratello:
APC is out of the race already. The Supreme Court rules in clarity on this case and going by the voided votes of APC by the highest ruling body in Nigeria it is very clear that a rerun can never be and the issue of requirements clause of 25% is not needed in PDP's case as they are the legitimate runners up in that election. Simple as ABC.
a clear winner as simple as ABC still need 25% of 2/3 local govt before he can be declare true winner

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