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Re: What Did Jesus Do? by Amujale(m): 11:55pm On Dec 12, 2019
Daejoyoung:
Amujale, name just one of your popular ancestors that existed even just 1500 years ago and give me good evidence of his or her existence, l challenge you.

Btw are you’re ancestors different to mine?

Records of Imhotep dates back around more than 46 centuries ago.

All the famous Greek philosophers all studied under the stewardship of Imhotep.

Plato, Aristotle, Socrates e.t.c

Socrates is hailed as father of westeen philosophy; described as "the man who brought philosophy down from heaven to earth" ( Cicero 45BCE).

In essence, Socrates was teaching the Greeks Imhoteps knowledge.

As a huge fan of Socrates, i sometimes remember to thank him for introducing the Socratic methods that would later evolve into the 'Scientific Method' whereby investigations begin with hypothesis; yet, the knowledge he taught them in Greece was not the original works of Socrates but rather that of a Nubian KM.Tic scientist known as Imhotep.

All the famous Greek mathematicians studied under the stewardship of Imhotep.

True history records Imhotep as the father of orthodox medicine.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/3293164/How-Imhotep-gave-us-medicine.html

[url]https://www.healio.com/pediatrics/news/blogs/%7B475f0fed-3f4c-4767-9cd7-0725a4e1034d%7D/james-h-brien-do/imhotep-the-real-father-of-medicine-an-iconoclastic-view[/url]

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19726401-600-the-strange-anatomy-of-the-brain/

source: Risse GB. West J Med. 1986 May; 144(5): 622-625. Imhotep and orthodox medicine--a reevaluation

Re: What Did Jesus Do? by Daejoyoung: 12:28am On Dec 13, 2019
Amujale:
All the famous Greek philosophers all studied under the stewardship of Imhotep.

Plato, Aristotle, Socrates e.t.c

Socrates is hailed as father of westeen philosophy; described as "the man who brought philosophy down from heaven to earth" ( Cicero 45BCE).

In essence, Socrates was teaching the Greeks Imhoteps knowledge.

As a huge fan of Socrates, i sometimes remember to thank him for introducing the Socratic methods that would later evolve into the 'Scientific Method' in which investigations begin with hypothesis; yet, the knowledge he taught them in Greece was not the original works of Socrates but rather that of a Nubian KM.Tic scientist known as Imhotep.

All the famous Greek mathematicians studied under the stewardship of Imhotep.

True history records Imhotep as the father of orthodox medicine.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/3293164/How-Imhotep-gave-us-medicine.html

[url]https://www.healio.com/pediatrics/news/blogs/%7B475f0fed-3f4c-4767-9cd7-0725a4e1034d%7D/james-h-brien-do/imhotep-the-real-father-of-medicine-an-iconoclastic-view[/url]

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19726401-600-the-strange-anatomy-of-the-brain/

source: Risse GB. West J Med. 1986 May; 144(5): 622-625. Imhotep and orthodox medicine--a reevaluation
True history says jesus existed.
Note that even Socrates may not have existed, we don't have good enough evidence to suggest he did. Some think he is a fictitious character created by Plato and the likes but mainly Plato. This is to show you that people can assume anything and make up conspiracy theories.
Re: What Did Jesus Do? by Amujale(m): 12:33am On Dec 13, 2019
Daejoyoung:

True history says jesus existed.
Note that even Socrates may not have existed, we don't have good enough evidence to suggest he did. Your historians are making so many assumptions, or is it that you are simply biased when it comes to history?

You are mistaken, anyone who studies Greek history knows that Socrates was a real person.

It’s Jesus that’s the fictional character not Socrates.

Furthermore I’m not here to defend Socrates but to make clear that Jesus is a fictitious character that the Romans invented in the first century CE.
Re: What Did Jesus Do? by Daejoyoung: 12:34am On Dec 13, 2019
Amujale:


You are mistaken, anyone who studies Greek history knows that Socrates was a real person.

It’s Jesus that’s the fictional character not Socrates.

Who wrote Greek history and why do you trust them? Haven't you heard that history is written by the Victors?
Re: What Did Jesus Do? by Amujale(m): 12:40am On Dec 13, 2019
Daejoyoung:

Who wrote Greek history and why do you trust them? Haven't you heard that history is written by the Victors?

I don’t trust Greek history at all, the only history I’m able to trust is one that is proven beyond reasonable doubt.

And the only history that fits those requirements are the African ones.
Re: What Did Jesus Do? by Nobody: 7:10am On Dec 13, 2019
johnydon22:
Preacher: Jesus came so that we can be saved and opened the doors of heaven.

Me: What about moses, Samuel and millions of humans through history who died before Jesus came?

Preacher: God overlooked and allowed them into heaven

Me: So, Jesus didn't really save anyone or opened the doors of heaven, it was already opened as you have stated above. Jesus in his bid to help seems to just ended up making it harder?

Preacher:

with all due respect friend, you and your preacher friend are two ignoramuses (@least about God, if not in other things). I blame you more for allowing a fellow man deceive you into thinking he's a preacher with just a suit and tie. If you want to learn about the creator, study creation in all the universe and you'll get an idea of what God is like.

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Re: What Did Jesus Do? by sonmvayina(m): 10:33am On Dec 13, 2019
Daejoyoung:

Well how do you know that was God's commandment? why do you accept one myth and reject the other?

I was only speaking from the Pont of view of the Jews, they claim the Torah (ie from Genesis to deuteronomy) is the divine laws of God and nobody whatsoever can change, alter or add to it.. Every other book in the old testament is just a foot note... Since everything in the new testament is against those laws, it is logical to conclude they are not of the jew or their God...
Re: What Did Jesus Do? by sonmvayina(m): 10:40am On Dec 13, 2019
Daejoyoung:
somnvayina said...(Thou shall not kill.. (there is no way God will be expecting a human sacrifice).... Put all together.. You will find Christianity promotes all what God condemns)..


Jesus' death on the cross was not a human sacrifice. Where did you come up with this idea of human sacrifice?

But what most Christians preach is "Jesus died for our sins"... Is Jesus not supposed to be a human being... Or am I missing something?
Re: What Did Jesus Do? by sonmvayina(m): 10:48am On Dec 13, 2019
Lightangel65:


Without Jesus all souls would be dammed to hell. He came to erase our sins and by believing in him we are saved.
Our souls are immortal, our body is just a vessel that can die but our souls leave forever

God said if I sin, I should confess and forsake, he will forgive my sins and he will remember them no more.. 2nd Chronicles 7 :14, so of what purpose is Jesus to me?.. And God also commanded "thou shall have no other God BEFORE me, so of what purpose is Jesus to God?..
So what is it you are seeing that I am not?
Re: What Did Jesus Do? by Lightangel65: 12:13pm On Dec 13, 2019
sonmvayina:


God said if I sin, I should confess and forsake, he will forgive my sins and he will remember them no more.. 2nd Chronicles 7 :14, so of what purpose is Jesus to me?.. And God also commanded "thou shall have no other God BEFORE me, so of what purpose is Jesus to God?..
So what is it you are seeing that I am not?
Jesus is a breach between humans and God, remember the Bible says anything you ask in Jesus name would be answered. John 3:16 for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son and whosoever believe in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. You can't communicate with God except through Jesus. Jesus also said "I am the way the truth and the life and no one comets to the father except through me".
And about what you said confess I your sins and he would forgive you. Your sins are only forgiven because Jesus died on the cross read the book of Matthew again.
Bro pls you can't think of making heaven, when the only yardstick is through Jesus. If you really read your Bible you will know that every place God is mentioned you can't come to him except through Jesus.
Re: What Did Jesus Do? by Daejoyoung: 12:14pm On Dec 13, 2019
sonmvayina:


I was only speaking from the Pont of view of the Jews, they claim the Torah (ie from Genesis to deuteronomy) is the divine laws of God and nobody whatsoever can change, alter or add to it.. Every other book in the old testament is just a foot note... Since everything in the new testament is against those laws, it is logical to conclude they are not of the jew or their God...
Well Christians only say the old testament is a shadow of the new, but it's a continuation of the story of God.
For example :
Why did God tell Abraham to sacrifice isaac? what kind of a test is that? ln the new testament, this is explained.
Who is the Angel of Yahweh in Exodus bearing Yahweh's very name. There was confusion about this very Angel in jewish mythology.
Why does God need passover sacrifices at all? how does it benefit God.
ln lsaiah 53, if you say it is a prophecy about Israel, then why is God striking and bruising the jews for the sins of the gentile nations? what sense does it make? why kill so many jews for the sins of gentiles. Whatever answer you give to this prophecy, just insert jesus also and you would see how it is also consistent with the jesus figure.
The old testament is the story of lsrael and her God, the new testament is a continuation and a retelling of that story for not just jews but also gentiles. Because even gentiles needed the messaiah figure. A figure who has power over sickenesses, sufferings and even death.
This is the fulfillment of the promise to Abraham, that in his seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed. This is how the entire mythology of both old and new testament works.
Re: What Did Jesus Do? by Lightangel65: 12:25pm On Dec 13, 2019
Daejoyoung:

Well Christians only say the old testament is a shadow of the new, but it's a continuation of the story of God.
For example :
Why did God tell Abraham to sacrifice isaac? what kind of a test is that? ln the new testament, this is explained.
Who is the Angel of Yahweh in Exodus bearing Yahweh's very name. There was confusion about this very Angel in jewish mythology.
Why does God need passover sacrifices at all? how does it benefit God.
ln lsaiah 53, if you say it is a prophecy about Israel, then why is God striking and bruising the jews for the sins of the gentile nations? what sense does it make? why kill so many jews for the sins of gentiles. Whatever answer you give to this prophecy, just insert jesus also and you would see how it is also consistent with the jesus figure.
The old testament is the story of lsrael and her God, the new testament is a continuation and a retelling of that story for not just jews but also gentiles. Because even gentiles needed the messaiah figure. A figure who has power over sickenesses, sufferings and even death.
This is the fulfillment of the promise to Abraham, that in his seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed. This is how the entire mythology of both old and new testament works.
Yes the new is a continuation of old not a shadow. But guess what it's not just a myth or a story, I know I might not be able to conventional with your current mindset. But when you expirence the holy spirit you will know God is real
Re: What Did Jesus Do? by Nobody: 12:41pm On Dec 13, 2019
sonmvayina:


yes he is..he is just a roman created character..just everything about christianity is against the laws and commandment of god as contained in the Torah.

the first commandment says ' i am the lord your God who brought you out of the land of egypt and out of the house of bondage, you shall have no other god before me'..which means God wants to have a relation ship with us no intermediary or mediator is required.

the second commandment says :' you shall not make the image or like ness of anything in heaven, or on earth or under the waters below the earth, you shall not bow down to them or serve them'..
so bowing down or worshipping a god created in the image and likeness of a man, which is something found on earth is forbidden by God also.

God is not a man or a human being so says Numbers 23:19

and deutronomy 6;4 ' your lord in but one lord...not 3 in 1

jesus was created by the delegates at nicea under the authority of emperior constantine who wanted a single religion for his empire..

Should I understand your position of Jesus as a mockery or out of anger, or do you mean what you are saying? If you mean it, your evidence will be appreciated.
Re: What Did Jesus Do? by Daejoyoung: 12:57pm On Dec 13, 2019
Lightangel65:

Yes the new is a continuation of old not a shadow. But guess what it's not just a myth or a story, I know I might not be able to conventional with your current mindset. But when you expirence the holy spirit you will know God is real
How do you know the experience of Holy Spirit?
Re: What Did Jesus Do? by Lightangel65: 12:59pm On Dec 13, 2019
Daejoyoung:

How do you know the experience of Holy Spirit?

You will know when you feel it. The moment you see everything differently
Re: What Did Jesus Do? by Daejoyoung: 1:01pm On Dec 13, 2019
Lightangel65:


You will know when you feel it. The moment you see everything differently
Feelings? Do you accept that Holy Spirit also dwells in the chinese priests who practice meditation and feel enlightened?
No where in the gospels did jesus say you would know Holy Spirit by your feelings.
Re: What Did Jesus Do? by MuttleyLaff: 1:34pm On Dec 13, 2019
Daejoyoung:
Well Christians only say the old testament is a shadow of the new, but it's a continuation of the story of God.
Yes, that is true and there is a bit more to that truth, and thats in the sense of that the Old Testament as a shadow of the New Testament, is the New Testament concealed, while the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed

Daejoyoung:
For example :
Why did God tell Abraham to sacrifice isaac? what kind of a test is that?
It is a test of obedience to give up what you most value to God

Daejoyoung:
ln the new testament, this is explained.
Who is the Angel of Yahweh in Exodus bearing Yahweh's very name.
the Angel of Yahweh is God, Yahweh

Daejoyoung:
There was confusion about this very Angel in jewish mythology.
Care to share with us what the confusion is or is all about?

Daejoyoung:
Why does God need passover sacrifices at all? how does it benefit God.
It served as a memorial to the Israelites for being saved from the destroyer when they were slaves in Egypt. It benefit God to later be the Passover Lamb for mankind

Daejoyoung:
ln lsaiah 53, if you say it is a prophecy about Israel, then why is God striking and bruising the jews for the sins of the gentile nations? what sense does it make? why kill so many jews for the sins of gentiles. Whatever answer you give to this prophecy, just insert jesus also and you would see how it is also consistent with the jesus figure.
lsaiah 53 is about the Suffering Servant, Jesus

Daejoyoung:
The old testament is the story of lsrael and her God, the new testament is a continuation and a retelling of that story for not just jews but also gentiles. Because even gentiles needed the messaiah figure. A figure who has power over sickenesses, sufferings and even death.
This is the fulfillment of the promise to Abraham, that in his seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed. This is how the entire mythology of both old and new testament works.
The promise to Abraham is a continuation and/or progression of the promise and prophecy to Eve in Genesis 3:15
Re: What Did Jesus Do? by saxha: 5:36pm On Dec 13, 2019
Jesus is just another Nigga, he died like everybody else.

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Re: What Did Jesus Do? by kkins25(m): 5:39pm On Dec 13, 2019
MuttleyLaff:
Yes, that is true and there is a bit more to that truth, and thats in the sense of that the Old Testament as a shadow of the New Testament, is the New Testament concealed, while the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed

It is a test of obedience to give up what you most value to God

the Angel of Yahweh is God, Yahweh

Care to share with us what the confusion is or is all about?

It served as a memorial to the Israelites for being saved from the destroyer when they were slaves in Egypt. It benefit God to later be the Passover Lamb for mankind

lsaiah 53 is about the Suffering Servant, Jesus

The promise to Abraham is a continuation and/or progression of the promise and prophecy to Eve in Genesis 3:15

The bolded interest me very well.. bearing in mind that the first cayse cannot manifest itself other than through the material world and immaterial world. To be more specific, the angels upon further studies - we discover they are actually manifestation of different properties of God. If you combine all the universe into one point then thats God. The particular verse in question somewhat induces this thought in me that the entity in of the burning bush is another manifestation of God who has no interest (atleast directly) in human affairs. The God thay was later worshipped as the bible paints it is definitely the angel of the burning bush. I do remember lord sarassin saying something similar.
Re: What Did Jesus Do? by Daejoyoung: 6:28pm On Dec 13, 2019
MuttleyLaff:
Yes, that is true and there is a bit more to that truth, and thats in the sense of that the Old Testament as a shadow of the New Testament, is the New Testament concealed, while the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed

It is a test of obedience to give up what you most value to God

the Angel of Yahweh is God, Yahweh

Care to share with us what the confusion is or is all about?

It served as a memorial to the Israelites for being saved from the destroyer when they were slaves in Egypt. It benefit God to later be the Passover Lamb for mankind

lsaiah 53 is about the Suffering Servant, Jesus

The promise to Abraham is a continuation and/or progression of the promise and prophecy to Eve in Genesis 3:15

l asked why did God test Abraham and you said it is a test of obedience, but if God should ask you to sacrifice your son , your only son, would you pass that test? lnfact why should God ever have to test anyone? what is the purpose of the test?
Re: What Did Jesus Do? by sonmvayina(m): 7:16pm On Dec 13, 2019
JMAN05:


Should I understand your position of Jesus as a mockery or out of anger, or do you mean what you are saying? If you mean it, your evidence will be appreciated.

Jesus was created as a mockery against God.. An insult... God is Almighty and all powerful, he is responsible for both good and evil... He created both light and darkness.. Everything he created is under his control.. If the devil even exist, he is not an exception...
Jesus was created to fulfill Dan 7:25
Re: What Did Jesus Do? by 1Sharon(f): 10:00pm On Dec 13, 2019
budaatum:

Where did you get "obeyed God's law from the time of Moses" from? Are there not numerous chapters in the Old Testament that say otherwise? And yes, you were progressing at your own pace so let me come take away all your recent foreign gadgets so you could continue developing at your own pace, shall I?

Forgive me vayina, but you do not appear to know much about Christ, nor about your ancestors, for that matter. To start with Christ existed way before Constantine, whom you claim created him, and there's a lot more to Christ than "dying for your sins" than you seem to know about. And your ancestors were not living a rosy life of "teaching laws" as you seem to think. Just as in the Old Testament, our ancestors too were breaking laws. In fact, you only have laws because people break them.

Yahweh was a God of fear, and very tribal. You did what you were told or you go to hell, but Adam and Eve didn't mind going to hell (it wasn't hell then but death, and then we find their death wasn't even as dead as first taught!), but my point is, fear, as a form of control, had stopped working, though the religious leaders by the time of Jesus, exploited with it. Jesus replaced that fear with Love, but you think he was created by the Romans, as "useless distraction" and a "sacrifice for sins".

It is written, "The blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is proclaimed to the poor." You appear to be none of those people listed.

No hell in the old testament !!
Re: What Did Jesus Do? by MuttleyLaff: 10:56pm On Dec 13, 2019
MuttleyLaff:
"2Joshua said to all the people, “This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says:
‘Long ago your ancestors, including Terah the father of Abraham and Nahor, lived beyond the Euphrates River and worshiped other gods.
3But I took your father Abraham from the land beyond the Euphrates and led him throughout Canaan and gave him many descendants. I gave him Isaac
"
- Joshua 24:2-3

Why Did The God Tell Abraham To Sacrifice His Child?

Before answering the question, let's acknowledge and get a few things into perspective first
1/ Abram, before becoming Abraham, was a worshipper of idols, an idolater, in short.
2/ Child sacrificing to these idols was a common and prevailing practice then and Abram was accustomed to it
3/ Deuteronomy 12:30-31 was formalized 400 years plus after the historic Abraham's near-sacrifice of his son Isaac
4/ It is a well known historical and documentated fact that Abram tithed in line with the prevailing Mesopotamia custom to tithe
Artifacts shows and testifies to heathens practice of tithing. Like few other things, tithing was a status quo, same as child sacrifices and/or ritualistic killing of children with Abraham then.

People then and even to date, are doing detestable things God hates and they really, are things, deserving intense dislikes. They are, things like, people believing that by performing child sacrifices and/or carrying out ritualistic killing of children they are pleasing or appeasing the god(s). Off track, another is, performing ritual sex acts, allegedly to get blessings, where males offer themselves as temple prostitutes to patrons for sacred sexual rituals purpose(s) believing they will receive divine blessing, favour, power etcetera at the end or back of it. Anyway back on track, from the slight diversion, so the reason why God told Abraham to sacrifice his child, funnily and ultimately enough, is to end the disgusting, foolish and senseless child human sacrifice practice.

A new Sheriff is in town, a new Person has come to power, the new Person has come into Abraham's life and is going to make changes. This new authority figure in Abraham's life, is taking charge, laying down the rules and letting Abraham know that the line on child sacrifice(s) is drawn. Sure Abraham was tested, to see, if he will carry out the command but fact is, God, from the word, go, and on principle, disagrees with the practice and so, we have it that, ultimately did not allow the sacrifice to happen and so the experience, presented Abraham with the knowledge, the understanding and the discernment that God is not into the business of child sacrifices nor into ritualistic killing of children, done supposedly by those looking for wealth, riches, fame and power or done to curry divine favour from these wicked and cruel acts

Many wont see the wood for the trees, as "test loyal servant... ask him to do something the god hates" is a red herring. It doesnt have to make sense to mortals, God is more sensible than the most sensible ever lived or living man

He does already know the outcome Daejoyoung, but does the testee know?

Self-discovery, is finding oneself, its taking the journey within, discovering who you truly are and finding out all the mystries that lies within you. Abraham, from that experience, got to know and learned many lessons that day.

"A wise man, can learn more from a foolish question, than a fool, can learn from a wise answer."
- Bruce Lee

Daejoyoung:
l asked why did God test Abraham and you said it is a test of obedience ...
Daejoyoung, the following is my addendum to the above quote of mine, taken from another thread. As it happened, Abraham wasnt repulsed, when asked by God to give up Isaac, lol. Abraham didnt finding it shocking that God should ask him to sacrifice his long sought after and only beloved son to God. Abraham didnt recoil back, he wasnt sickened, didnt feel disgusted that God should ask him to carry out something like that, lol. You already have an idea why, because I have hinted in my quote above. Yes, Abraham was familiar with child sacrifices, afterall he was a pagan, an idol worshipper before being called out of Ur, lol. Abraham whilst in Ur, would have witnessed neighbours, family members sacrifice their kids. Burnt offering of children is regarded as normal, lol. Abraham was familiar and used to the practice, so why not test Abraham with something that is an everyday, well-known familiar sight to him, lol

Daejoyoung:
but if God should ask you to sacrifice your son, your only son, would you pass that test?
God would find another and different way to test me Daejoyoung lol. It definitely wouldnt be asking me to sacrifice any of my kids, besides, we've gone past the chance to be asked to sacrifice our kids as burnt offering to God. Do you know why, it is because after that test with Abraham, God emphatically laid down the law that He is against the practice of offering children as sacrifice, lol

Daejoyoung:
lnfact why should God ever have to test anyone? what is the purpose of the test?
Whats the proof that something will stand the test of time, except it is tested Daejoyoung lol.

When in an unfamiliar environment, why do you test a chair first, before you park, drop, sit and sink your bum bom on it, lol, erhn? Why do you test your codes during programming Daejoyoung, lol? C'mon, now Daejoyoung, it is for the same reason and/or purpose, you subject your codes to testing nah, lol

Daejoyoung, let me, a bit, be real with you. Oftentimes, from Adam to Abraham even up to Jesus and beyond, the purpose of a God test, isnt necessarily to show us up, not necessarily to expose someone as being bad and/or faulty, its not to show our weaknesses but its for our benefit, its about self-discovery, an opportunity to discover our strengths, the chance to peep and gain an insight into one's own character, lol.
Re: What Did Jesus Do? by kkins25(m): 12:42am On Dec 14, 2019
1Sharon:


No hell in the old testament !!
yeah, but font forget the threats, he was so cruel he promised to bring hell to earth if the jews dared disobeyed him.. the entity Yahweh is not to be fuqed with at all at all.. better surmmon lucifer self
Re: What Did Jesus Do? by kkins25(m): 12:44am On Dec 14, 2019
Daejoyoung:


l asked why did God test Abraham and you said it is a test of obedience, but if God should ask you to sacrifice your son , your only son, would you pass that test? lnfact why should God ever have to test anyone? what is the purpose of the test?
it is obvious its to make sure Abraham fears him more than he loves his son. Can you imagine the tyrant muttleylaff calls God of love

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Re: What Did Jesus Do? by MuttleyLaff: 6:02am On Dec 14, 2019
kkins25:
it is obvious its to make sure Abraham fears him more than he loves his son. Can you imagine the tyrant muttleylaff calls God of love
It is obvious, it is oblivious to you, that this was a test of Abraham's faith and for him to have an opportunity to shine, to show how deep his love of God and trust in God is. You dont know warris going on, lol.

Abraham willingness and/or preparedness earned him a mention, a place and/or position in the greatly desired or envied Hebrews chapter eleven "Hall of faith" or "Faith Hall of Fame" lol
Re: What Did Jesus Do? by GoodMuyis(m): 8:12am On Dec 14, 2019
Amujale:


You are mistaken, anyone who studies Greek history knows that Socrates was a real person.

It’s Jesus that’s the fictional character not Socrates.

Furthermore I’m not here to defend Socrates but to make clear that Jesus is a fictitious character that the Romans invented in the first century CE.


Are you serious about your claim? Historical information prove otherwise, i.e. Christian persecution
Re: What Did Jesus Do? by objectivechrist: 9:32am On Dec 14, 2019
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Re: What Did Jesus Do? by Amujale(m): 9:45am On Dec 14, 2019
GoodMuyis:


Are you serious about your claim? Historical information prove otherwise, i.e. Christian persecution

What is the meaning of Christian persecution ?

Christianity cannot make any claims about persecution because it’s a false conception.

Rather than being persecuted, Christianity is the persecutor of true history ; their failed attempts to wipe out true history and as such murdering billions of people on the malicious pretext that their false and fabricated ideas was passed down to them from their God.

The problem with that argument is evident in the malicious writings of the weapon of mass destruction known as the Christian bible.

Christianity peddles a false representation of history.

The points in the previous post is very clear.

Jesus is a fictional character.
Re: What Did Jesus Do? by Amujale(m): 9:48am On Dec 14, 2019
Jesus has done nothing, because Jesus isn’t real.
Re: What Did Jesus Do? by oaroloye(m): 10:03am On Dec 14, 2019
SHALOM!

budaatum:
I dragged this out of the cacophony hoping we'd have quiet here if you do not mind.

Jozzy4 post=79472270:
Can someone tell me how what Jesus did is significant if we humans are immortal Souls . An immortal being cannot die, so it's useless saying some one came and gave it everlasting life.

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Can you show what you mean by what Jesus did first before we consider its "significance", and whether "humans are immortal Souls"?

What did Jesus do Jozzy?

I ALREADY ANSWERED JOZZY4'S CHALLENGE, BUT WAS COMPLETELY IGNORED, AS USUAL.

That is because none of you want what Lord Yeshua has done for you.

hahn:
Absolutely nothing

THAT IS WHAT LORD YESHUA'S DISCIPLES ACTUALLY SAID TO HIS FACE, THAT ONLY I SAY CAUSED HIS IMMEDIATE DEPARTURE TO HEAVEN!

. ACTS 1:1-11.

THE former Treatise have I made,
O Theophilus, of all that Jesus
began both to do and Teach,
2. Until the day in which
he was taken up,
after that he through
The Holy Ghost had
given Commandments
unto the Apostles
whom he had chosen:
3. To whom also he shewed himself
alive after his Passion
by many infallible proofs,
being seen of them forty days,
and speaking of the things
pertaining to The Kingdom of God:
4. And, being assembled together
with them, Commanded them
that they should not
depart from Jerusalem,
but wait for The Promise
of the Father,

"Which,"

Saith he,

"ye have heard
of me.
5. "For John truly
Baptized with Water;
but ye shall be Baptized
with The Holy Ghost
not many days hence."

6. When they therefore
were come together,
they asked of him,
saying,

"Lord, wilt thou at this time
restore again The Kingdom
to Israel?"

7. And he Said unto them,

"It is not for you to know
the Times or the Seasons,
which the Father hath put
in His Own Power.
8. "But ye shall receive Power,
after that The Holy Ghost
is come upon you:
and ye shall be
witnesses unto me
both in Jerusalem,
and in all Judaea,
and in Samaria,
and unto the uttermost part
of the Earth."

9. And when he had Spoken
these things,
while they beheld,
he was taken up;
and a Cloud received him
out of their sight.
10. And while they looked stedfastly
toward Heaven as he went up,
behold, two men
stood by them
in white apparel;
11. Which also said,

"Ye men of Galilee,
why stand ye gazing up
into Heaven?
This same Jesus,
which is taken up from you
into Heaven,
shall so come
in like manner
as ye have seen him
go into Heaven."

THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE SADDEST POINT OF LORD YESHUA'S ENTIRE LIFE!

It was at that point that Lord Yeshua surely knew that he had FAILED.

. LUKE 24:13-48.

13. And, behold,
two of them went that same day
to a village called Emmaus,
which was from Jerusalem
(about) threescore furlongs.
14. And they talked together
of all those things
which had happened.
15. And it came to pass,
that, while they communed (together)
and reasoned,
Jesus himself drew near,
and went with them.
16. But their eyes were holden
that they should not know him.
17. And he Said unto them,

"What manner of communications
(are) these that ye have
one to another,
as ye walk,
and are sad?"

18. And the one of them
whose name was Cleopas,
answering said unto him,

"Art thou
only a stranger in Jerusalem,
and hast not known the things
which are come to pass
in these days?"

19. And he Said unto them,

"What things?"

And they said unto him,

"Concerning Jesus of Nazareth,
which was a Prophet mighty
in Deed and Word before God
and all the people:
20. "And how the Chief Priests
and our Rulers delivered him
to be condemned to Death,
and have Crucified him.
21. "But we trusted
that it had been he
which should have Redeemed Israel:
and besides all this,
to day is the Third Day
since these things were.
22. "Yea, and certain women also
of our company made us astonished,
which were early at the sepulchre;
23. "And when they
found not his body,
they came,
saying,
that they had also seen
a Vision of Angels,
which said that he was alive.
24. "And certain of them
which were with us
went to the sepulchre,
and found (it) even so
as the women had said:
but him they saw not."

25. Then he Said unto them,

"O fools,
and slow of heart to believe
all that The Prophets have Spoken:
26 "Ought not Christ
to have suffered these things,
and to enter into his Glory?"

27. And beginning at Moses
and all the Prophets,
he expounded unto them
in all the Scriptures
concerning himself.
28. And they drew nigh
unto unto the village
whither they went:
and he made as if
he would have gone further.
29. But they constrained him ,
saying,

"Abide with us:
for it is toward evening,
and the day is far spent."

And he went in to tarry with them.
30. And it came to pass,
as he sat at meat with them,
he took bread, and blessed (it),
and brake,
and gave to them.
31. And their eyes were opened,
and they knew him;
and he vanished out of their sight.
32. And they said one to another,

"Did not our heart burn within us,
while he talked with us by the way,
and while he opened to us
The Scriptures?"

33. And they rose up the same hour,
and returned to Jerusalem,
and found the Eleven
gathered together,
and them that were with them,
34. Saying,

"THE LORD IS RISEN INDEED,
AND HATH APPEARED TO SIMON."


35. And they told what things
(were done) in the way,
and how he was known to them
in breaking of bread.
36. And as they thus spake,
Jesus himself stood
in the midst of them,
and Saith unto them,

"Peace (be) unto you."

37. But they were terrified
and affrighted,
and supposed that
they had seen a spirit.
38. And he Said unto them,

"Why are ye troubled?
And why do thoughts
arise in your hearts?
39. "Behold my hands and feet,
that it is I myself:
handle me, and see;
for a spirit
hath not flesh and bones,
as ye see me have."

40. And when he had thus Spoken,
he shewed them (his) hands
and (his) feet.
41. And while they believed not for joy,
and wondered,
he Said unto them,

"Have ye any meat?"

42. And they gave him
a piece of broiled fish,
and of an honeycomb.
43. And he took (it),
and did eat before them.
44. And he Said unto them,

"These (are) the Words
which I Spake unto you,
while I was yet with you,
that all things must be fulfilled,
which were written
in The Law of Moses,
and (in) The Prophets,
and (in) The Psalms
concerning me."

45. Then opened he
their understanding,
that they might understand
The Scriptures,
46. And Said unto them,

"Thus it is written
and thus it behooved Christ to suffer,
and to rise from the dead
The Third Day.
47. "And that Repentance
and Remission of Sins
should be preached in his Name
among all nations,
beginning at Jerusalem.
48. "And ye are Witnesses
of these things.
49. "And, behold,
I send The Promise of my Father
upon you:
until ye be endued
with Power From On High."

LORD YESHUA HAD SPENT THREE AND A HALF YEARS TEACHINGS THESE FOOLS THE MOST ADVANCED SPIRITUAL DOCTRINE IN THE HISTORY OF HISTORY!

. GENESIS 1:26-31.

26. And God Said,

"Let us make Man
in Our Image,
after Our Likeness:
and let them have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over the Cattle,
and over all the Earth,
and over every creeping thing
that creepeth upon the Earth."

27. So God created Man
in His Own Image,
in The Image of God created He him;
male and female
created He them.
28. And God Blessed them,
and God Said unto them,

"Be fruitful, and multiply,
and replenish the Earth,
and subdue It:
and have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over every Living Thing
that moveth upon the Earth."

29. And God Said,

"Behold,
I have given you
every herb bearing seed,
which is upon
the Face of all the Earth,
and every tree,
in the which is the fruit
of a tree yielding seed;
to you it shall be for meat.
30. And to every
Beast of the Earth,
and to every fowl of the air,
and to every thing
that creepeth upon the Earth,
wherein there is life,
I have given
every green herb for meat:"

and it was so.
31. And God saw
every thing
that He had made,
and, behold,
it was Very Good.
And the evening
and the morning
were the sixth day.

GOD CREATED MANKIND FOR THE PURPOSE OF EXERCISING DOMINION OVER ALL THE EARTH, AND OVER ALL OF ITS BEASTS AND COMPONENTS.

Nothing Earthly takes precedence over Humanity. Nothing Earthly can be mightier than a Human.

Humans are Commanded to feed differently from the Beasts.

Beasts, which are inferior, can eat the greenery. Humans, who are superior, are to eat only those things that bear seeds.

"Seed," in Aramaic, the language of the Israelites, also means Teaching. [Source: George Lamsa.]

. DEUTERONOMY 8:1-6.

ALL The Commandments
Which I Command thee this day
shall ye observe to do,
that ye may live,
and multiply,
and go in and possess the land
which The LORD
Sware unto your fathers.
2. And thou shalt remember
all the Way which The LORD
thy God led thee
these forty years
in the wilderness,
to humble thee,
and to prove thee,
to know what was
in thine heart,
whether thou wouldest
keep His Commandments,
or no.
3. And He humbled thee,
and suffered thee to hunger,
and fed thee with Manna,
which thou knewest not,
neither did thy fathers know;
that He might
make thee know that

"MAN DOTH NOT
LIVE BY BREAD ONLY
BUT BY EVERY (WORD)
THAT PROCEEDETH
OUT OF THE MOUTH
OF THE LORD
DOTH MAN LIVE."


4. Thy raiment waxed not
old upon thee,
neither did thy foot swell,
these forty years.
5. Thou shalt also consider
in thine heart,

"THAT, AS A MAN
CHASTENETH HIS SON,
SO THE LORD THY GOD
CHASTENETH THEE."


6. Therefore thou shalt keep
The Commandments of
The LORD thy God,
to walk in His Ways,
and to fear Him.

THE WORD OF GOD IS ALSO FOOD.

Whereas everything was made from The Words of God, not everything is food for Humans.

The Soul needs to be fed, as well as the Body.

.     EXODUS 20:1-7.

AND God Spake
all these Words,
Saying,

2. "I (am) The LORD thy God,
Which have brought thee
out of The Land of Egypt,
out of The House of Bondage.

3. "Thou shalt have
no other gods before Me.

4. "Thou shalt not
make unto thee
any graven image,
or any likeness (of any thing)
that (is) in the Earth beneath,
or that (is) in the Water
under the Earth:
5. "Thou shalt not
bow down thyself to them,
nor serve them:
for I The LORD thy God
(am) a Jealous God,
visiting the iniquity
of the fathers
upon the third
and fourth (generation)
of them that Hate Me.
6. "And shewing Mercy
unto thousands of them
which Love Me,
and Keep My Commandments.

7. "Thou shalt not
take The Name
of The LORD thy God
in vain;
for The LORD will not
hold him guiltless
that taketh His Name
in vain."

AT AGE 13, ISRAELITES ARE DEDICATED TO GOD, (BAR/BAT MITZVAH,) AND MUST SPEND THE NEXT SEVEN YEARS ACQUIRING THE SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD, IN ORDER TO BE QUALIFIED TO SERVE HIM FULLY, BY AGE 20.

ISRAEL was a special nation, directly created by God to always serve Him, even while the rest of the World fell into Sin and Iniquity.

God holds every Human accountable for the deliberate Sins of their Parents, their Grandparents, and their Great-Grandparents.

The only "Innocent Infants" are those whose parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents have no iniquities their whole lives.

"INIQUITIES" are DELIBERATELY-COMMITTED SINS; no ATONEMENT covers them. Forgiveness of INIQUITY is by God's Discretion. No one can oblige Him to do that.

. DEUTERONOMY 6:4-9.

4. Hear, O Israel:
The LORD our God
is one LORD:
5. And thou shalt love
The LORD thy God
with all thine Heart,
and with all thy Soul,
and with all thy might.
6. And these Words,
which I Command thee this day,
shall be in thine heart:
7. And thou shalt teach Them
diligently unto thy children,
and shalt talk of Them
when thou sittest
in thine house,
and when thou walkest
by the way,
and when thou liest down,
and when thou risest up.
8. And thou shalt bind Them
for a sign upon thine hand,
and they shall be as frontlets
between thine eyes.
9. And thou shalt write Them
upon the posts of thy house,
and on thy gates.

EVERY HUMAN IS OBLIGED TO RECOGNIZE GOD, AND TO LOVE HIM TO THE MAXIMUM OF THEIR EVERY FACULTY.

It does not matter whether someone told you any different.

That is THE LAW OF GOD, and NOTHING will CHANGE That.

. LUKE 7:19-23.

19. And John calling unto him
two of his Disciples
sent them to Jesus, saying,
"Art thou he that should come?
Or look we for another?"

20. When the men
were come unto him,
they said,
John Baptist hath sent us unto thee,
saying,

'ART THOU
HE THAT SHOULD COME?
OR LOOK WE
FOR ANOTHER?'


21. And in that same hour
he cured many
of their infirmities and plagues,
and of evil spirits;
and unto many that were blind
he gave sight.
22. Then Jesus answering
said unto them,
"Go your way,
and tell John what things
ye have seen and heard;
how that the Blind See,
the Lame Walk,
the Lepers are Cleansed,
the Deaf Hear,
the Dead are Raised,
to the Poor The Gospel is preached.
23. "And Blessed is he,
whosoever shall not be
offended in me."

THE ISRAELITES CREATED STUPID THEORIES ABOUT WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN, ONCE THE HaMISHIACH MANIFESTED.

Lord Yeshua showed YOCHANNAN BAPTIST how foolish his inquiry was.

It was really HEROD who wanted to know that. He surely had people listening in on everything Yochannan Baptist's visitors discussed with him. He would have wanted a Heads-Up, just in case Yochannan was plotting to take his head off! He knew him for a crude Barbarian, who did not appreciate his... hospitality.

Yochannan's Disciples wanted to know, too, and "THE HOLY GHOST TOLD ME" wasn't cutting it.

.    LUKE 10:16-24.

16. "He that heareth you
heareth me;
and he that despiseth you
despiseth me;
and he that despiseth me
despiseth Him
that sent me."

17. And the seventy returned
again with joy,
saying,

"Lord, even the Devils
are subject unto us
through thy Name."

18. And he Said unto them,

"I beheld Satan as lightning
fall from Heaven.
19. "Behold,
I give unto you Power
to tread on Serpents
and Scorpions,
and over all
the Power of the Enemy:
and nothing shall
by any means hurt you."
20. "Notwithstanding
in this rejoice not,
 that the spirits are subject
unto you;
but rather rejoice,
because your Names
are written in Heaven."

21. In that Hour
Jesus rejoiced in spirit,
and Said,

"I thank Thee,
O Father,
Lord of Heaven and Earth,
that thou hast hid these things
from the wise and prudent,
and hast revealed them
unto babes:
even so, Father;
for so it seemed Good
in Thy Sight.
22. "All things are
delivered to me
of my Father:
and no man knoweth
who The Son is,
but The Father;
and Who The Father is,
but The Son,
and he to whom The Son
will reveal him."

23. And he turned him
unto his Disciples,
and Said privately,

"Blessed are the eyes
which see The Things
that ye see:

24. "For I Tell you,

'THAT MANY
PROPHETS
AND KINGS
HAVE DESIRED TO SEE
THOSE THINGS
WHICH YE SEE,
AND HAVE NOT
SEEN THEM;
AND TO HEAR
THOSE THINGS
WHICH YE HEAR,
AND HAVE NOT
HEARD THEM.' "


LORD YESHUA showed them that they were all idiots not to register the fact that what he was doing was far better than driving the Romans out of their country.

LORD YESHUA EXERCISED DOMINION OVER THE EARTH, AND SUBDUED IT, SO THAT HE RESTORED THE BLIND, THE LAME, THE DEAF, THE DUMB, AND EVEN THE DEAD AND DEVIL-POSSESSED TO FULL DOMINION OVER THEIR OWN BODIES!

He demonstrated that correct worship of Yahweh God gives His Followers Power over Matter, Energy, Space, Time, and Evil Spirits.

But all they cared about was POLITICAL SELF-DETERMINATION!

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NONE of the Israelites cared about THAT: not even the ones he Healed. None of them volunteered to follow him to the cross, did they?

Nobody believed that he could possibly come back from the Dead, did they?

Once Lord Yeshua was dead, everyone believed that he could no longer "deliver" Israel.

Lord Yeshua's "Disciples" therefore told him that if he didn't put POLITICAL AUTONOMY into the hands of the people who had had him killed and stood by and watched him be killed, THEN HE REALLY HADN'T DONE ANYTHING FOR ISRAEL!

. JOHN 14:1-27.

"LET not your heart
be troubled:
ye believe in God,
believe also in me.
2. "In my Father's House
there are Mansions:
if it were not so,
I would have told you.
3. "And if I go
and prepare a place for you,
I will come again,
and receive you unto myself;
that where I am,
there ye may be also.
4. "And whither I go ye know,
and The Way ye know."

5. Thomas saith unto him,

"Lord, we know not
whither thou goest;
and how can we
know The Way?"

6. Jesus Saith unto him,

"I am The Way,
The Truth,
and The Life:
no man cometh
unto The Father,
but by me.
7. "If ye had known me,
ye should have known
my Father also:
and from henceforth
ye know Him,
and have seen Him."

8. Philip saith unto him,

"Lord, shew us the Father,
and it sufficeth us."

9. Jesus Saith unto him,

"Have I been
so long time with you,
and yet hast thou not
known me, Philip?
He that hath seen me
hath seen The Father;
and how sayest thou then,

'SHEW US THE FATHER?'

10. "Believest thou not
that I am in The Father,
and The Father in me?
The Words that I Speak
unto you I Speak not
of myself:
but The Father
that dwelleth in me,
He doeth the Works.
11. "Believe me that I am
in The Father,
and The Father in me:
or else believe me
for the very Works' sake.
12. "Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

'HE THAT BELIEVETH ON ME,
THE WORKS THAT I DO
SHALL HE DO ALSO;
AND GREATER WORKS
THAN THESE SHALL HE DO;
BECAUSE I GO
UNTO MY FATHER.'


13. "And whatsoever ye shall
ask in my Name,
that will I do,
that The Father may be
Glorified in The Son.
14. "If ye shall ask
any thing in my Name,
I will do it.
15. "If ye love me,
keep my Commandments.
16. "And I will pray The Father,
and He shall give you
another Comforter,
that He may abide with you
for ever;
17. "Even The Spirit of Truth;
Whom the World cannot receive,
because It seeth Him not,
neither knoweth Him:
but ye know Him;
for He dwelleth with you,
and shall be in you.
18. "I will not leave you comfortless:
I will come to you.
19. "Yet a little while,
and the World
seeth me no more;
but ye see me:
because I live,
ye shall live also.
20. "At that Day
ye shall know
that I am in my Father,
and ye in me,
and I in you.
21. "He that hath my Commandments,
and keepeth them,
he it is that loveth me:
and he that loveth me
shall be loved of my Father,
and I will love him,
and will manifest myself to him."

22. Judas saith unto him,
not Iscariot,

"Lord, how is it
that thou wilt
manifest thyself
unto us,
and not unto the World?"

23. Jesus answered
and Said unto him,

"If a man love me,
he will keep my Words:
and my Father will love him,
and we will come unto him,
and make our abode with him.
24. "He that loveth me not
keepeth not my Sayings:
and the Word which ye hear
is not mine,
but The Father's
Which sent me.
25. "These things
have I Spoken unto you,
being yet present with you.
26. "But The Comforter,
Which is The Holy Ghost,
Whom The Father will send
in my Name,
He shall Teach you
all things,
and bring all things
to your Remembrance,
whatsoever I have Said
unto you.
27. "Peace I leave with you,
my Peace I give unto you:
not as the World giveth,
give I unto you.
Let not your heart
be troubled,
neither let it be afraid."

MIRACLE-WORKERS ARE A DIME-A-DOZEN IN MANY RELIGIONS.

A Miracle-Worker who passes on his same Power to mere BELIEVERS-ON-HIM is UNHEARD-OF!

The Power a Keeper of The Law aspires to are these:

. THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER.

1. TOTAL RECALL.
2. EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION.
3. TELEKINESIS.
4. TELEPORTATION.
5. TRANSLATION.
6-10. EVERLASTING LIFE.

What Lord Yeshua did was show his followers how to complete that journey, and attain EVERLASTING LIFE- IF WE REALLY WANT IT.

Lord Yeshua's Disciples didn't want EVERLASTING LIFE: they wanted to HATE PEOPLE and for no good reasons.

They hated THE ROMANS, and would rather see them DEAD than to LIVE ETERNALLY, and Ascend into Heaven and be with Lord Yeshua.

They hated their FELLOW ISRAELITES- and preferred to DIE, and go to HELL, rather than see them become their superiors in The Kingdom of Heaven.

They hated WE GENTILES, and preferred to DIE

. MATTHEW 25:13-46.

13. "Watch therefore,
for ye know neither
the Day nor the Hour wherein
The Son of Man cometh.
14. "For The Kingdom of Heaven
is as a man travelling
into a far country,
who called his own servants,
and delivered unto them
his goods.
15. "And unto one
he gave five talents,
to another two,
and to another one;
to every man according to
his several ability;
and straightway
took his journey.
16. "Then he that had
received the five talents
went and traded
with the same,
and made them
other five talents.
17. "And likewise he
that had received two,
he also gained other two.
18. "But he that had
received one
went and digged in the earth,
and hid his lord's money.
19. "After a long time
the lord of those servants cometh,
and reckoneth with them.
20. "And so he that had
received five talents
came and brought
other five talents,
saying,

'LORD,
THOU DELIVEREDST
UNTO ME FIVE TALENTS:
BEHOLD,
I HAVE GAINED
BESIDE THEM
FIVE TALENTS MORE.'


21. "His lord
said unto him,

'WELL DONE,
THOU GOOD
AND FAITHFUL SERVANT:
THOU HAST BEEN
FAITHFUL OVER
A FEW THINGS,
I WILL MAKE THEE RULER
OVER MANY THINGS:
ENTER THOU INTO
THE JOY OF THY LORD.'


22. "He also that had
received two talents
came and said,

'LORD,
THOU DELIVEREDST
UNTO ME TWO TALENTS:
BEHOLD,
I HAVE GAINED
TWO OTHER TALENTS
BESIDE THEM.'


23. "His lord
said unto him,

'WELL DONE,
GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANT;
THOU HAST BEEN
FAITHFUL OVER
A FEW THINGS,
I WILL MAKE THEE RULER
OVER MANY THINGS:
ENTER THOU INTO
THE JOY OF THY LORD.'


24. "Then he which had
received the one talent
came and said,

'LORD,
I KNEW THEE
THAT THOU ART
AN HARD MAN,
REAPING WHERE
THOU HAST NOT SOWN,
AND GATHERING
WHERE THOU HAST
NOT STRAWED:
25. AND I WAS AFRAID,
AND WENT AND HID
THY TALENT IN THE EARTH:
LO, THERE THOU HAST
THAT IS THINE.'


26. "His lord answered
and said unto him,

'THOU WICKED
AND SLOTHFUL SERVANT,
THOU KNEWEST
THAT I REAP
WHERE I SOWED NOT,
AND GATHER WHERE
I HAVE NOT STRAWED:
27. 'THOU OUGHTEST THEREFORE
TO HAVE PUT MY MONEY
TO THE EXCHANGERS,
AND THEN AT MY COMING
I SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED
MINE OWN WITH USURY.
28. 'TAKE THEREFORE
THE TALENT FROM HIM,
AND GIVE IT UNTO HIM
WHICH HATH TEN TALENTS.
29. 'FOR UNTO EVERY ONE
THAT HATH
SHALL BE GIVEN,
AND HE SHALL
HAVE ABUNDANCE:
BUT FROM HIM
THAT HATH NOT
SHALL BE TAKEN AWAY
EVEN THAT WHICH HE HATH.
30. 'AND CAST YE
THE UNPROFITABLE SERVANT
INTO OUTER DARKNESS:
THERE SHALL BE
WEEPING AND GNASHING
OF TEETH.'


31. "When The Son of Man
shall come in his Glory,
and all the Holy Angels with him,
then shall he sit upon
The Throne of his Glory:
32. "And before him
shall be gathered all nations:
and he shall separate
them one from another,
as a shepherd divideth
his sheep from the goats:
33. "And he shall set the sheep
on his right hand,
but the goats on the left.
34. "Then shall the King say
unto them on his right hand,

'COME,
YE BLESSED OF MY FATHER,
INHERIT THE KINGDOM
PREPARED FOR YOU
FROM THE FOUNDATION
OF THE WORLD:
35. 'FOR I WAS AN HUNGRED,
AND YE GAVE ME MEAT:
I WAS THIRSTY,
AND YE GAVE ME DRINK:
I WAS A STRANGER,
AND YE TOOK ME IN:
36. 'NAKED, AND YE CLOTHED ME:
I WAS SICK,
AND YE VISITED ME:
I WAS IN PRISON,
AND YE CAME UNTO ME.'


37. Then shall the Righteous
answer him,
saying,

'LORD,
WHEN SAW WE THEE
AN HUNGRED,
AND FED THEE?
OR THIRSTY,
AND GAVE THEE DRINK?
38. 'WHEN SAW WE THEE
A STRANGER,
AND TOOK THEE IN?
OR NAKED,
AND CLOTHED THEE?
39. 'OR WHEN SAW WE THEE
SICK,
OR IN PRISON,
AND CAME UNTO THEE?'


40. "And the King shall answer
and say unto them,

'VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU,

"INASMUCH AS YE HAVE DONE IT
UNTO ONE OF THE LEAST OF THESE
MY BRETHREN,
YE HAVE DONE IT
UNTO ME." '


41. "Then shall he say also
unto them on the left hand,

'DEPART FROM ME,
YE CURSED,
INTO EVERLASTING FIRE,
PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL
AND HIS ANGELS:
42. 'FOR I WAS AN HUNGRED,
AND YE GAVE ME NO MEAT:
I WAS THIRSTY,
AND YE GAVE ME NO DRINK:
43. 'I WAS A STRANGER,
AND YE TOOK ME NOT IN:
NAKED, AND YE CLOTHED ME NOT:
SICK, AND IN PRISON,
AND YE VISITED ME NOT.'


44. "Then shall they also
answer him,
saying,

'LORD,
WHEN SAW WE THEE
AN HUNGRED, OR ATHIRST,
OR A STRANGER, OR NAKED,
OR SICK, OR IN PRISON,
AND DID NOT MINISTER
UNTO THEE?'


45. "Then shall he answer them,
saying,

'VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU,

"INASMUCH AS YE DID IT NOT
TO ONE OF THE LEAST OF THESE,
YE DID IT NOT TO ME." '


46. "And these shall go away
into Everlasting Punishment:
but the Righteous into Life Eternal."

ANYONE WITH COMMONSENSE WOULD KNOW THAT EVEN IF ALL HUMANS LIVED FOR EVER, THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE UNRIGHTEOUS CAN BE SUCH THAT THEY MIGHT PLEAD EVERY MINUTE FOR FINAL DEATH!

. JOHN 8:28-53.

28. Then Said Jesus
unto them,

"When ye have lifted up
The Son of Man,
then shall ye know
that I am he,
and that I do
nothing of myself;
but as my Father
hath Taught me,
I Speak these things.
29. "And He that sent me
is with me:
The Father hath not
left me alone;
for I do always those things
that please Him."

30. As he Spake
these Words,
many believed on him.

31. Then Said Jesus
to those Jews
which believed on him,

"If ye continue
in my Word,
then are ye
my Disciples indeed;
32. "And ye shall
know The Truth,
and The Truth
shall make you Free."

33. They answered him,

"We be Abraham's Seed,
and were never in bondage
to any man:
how sayest thou,  

'YE SHALL BE
MADE FREE?' "


34. Jesus answered them,

"Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

WHOSOEVER COMMITTETH SIN
IS THE SERVANT OF SIN.
35. 'AND THE SERVANT
ABIDETH NOT
IN THE HOUSE FOR EVER:
BUT THE SON
ABIDETH EVER.'


36. "If the Son therefore
shall make you free,
ye shall be free indeed.
37. "I know that ye are
Abraham's Seed;
but ye seek to kill me,
because my Word hath
no place in you.
38. "I Speak That Which
I have seen with my Father:
and ye do that which
ye have seen with your Father."

39. They answered
and said unto him,

"Abraham is our father."

Jesus Saith unto them,

"If ye were Abraham's Children,
ye would do the Works of Abraham.
40. "But now ye seek to kill me,
a man that hath told you
The Truth,
which I have heard of God:
this did not Abraham.
41. "Ye do the deeds
of your father."

Then said they to him,

"We be not born of fornication;
we have one Father,
even God."
42. Jesus Said unto them,

"If God were your Father,
ye would love me
for I proceeded forth
and came from God;
neither came I of myself,
but He sent me.
43. "Why do ye not
understand my Speech?
Even because ye cannot
hear my Word.
44. "Ye are of your
Father The Devil,
and the lusts
of your Father ye will do.
He was a Murderer
From The Beginning,
and abode not in The Truth,
because there is
no Truth in him.
When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own:
for he is a liar,
and the Father of It.
45. "And because
I Tell you The Truth,
ye believe me not.
46. "Which of you
convinceth me of Sin?
And if I say The Truth,
why do ye not believe me?
47. "He that is of God
heareth God's Words:
ye therefore hear them not,
because ye are not of God."

48. Then answered the Jews,
and said unto him,

"Say we not well
that thou art a Samaritan,
and hast a Devil?"

49. Jesus answered,

"I have not a Devil;
but I honour my Father,
and ye do dishonour me.
50. "And I seek not
mine own Glory:
there is one that seeketh
and judgeth.

51. "Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

'IF A MAN
KEEP MY SAYING,
HE SHALL NEVER
SEE DEATH.' "


52. Then said the Jews
unto him,

"Now we know
that thou hast a Devil.
Abraham is dead,
and the Prophets;
and thou sayest,

'IF A MAN
KEEP MY SAYING,
HE SHALL NEVER
TASTE OF DEATH.'


53. "Art thou greater
than our father Abraham,
which is dead?
and the Prophets are dead:
whom makest thou thyself?"

IF YOU WERE HUMBLE ENOUGH TO DO WHAT LORD YESHUA SAID, YOUR MIND WOULD HAVE THE FUNDAMENTAL BUILDING-BLOCKS OF PERCEPTION TO PERCEIVE AND UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH.

Would you want EVERLASTING LIFE, if you had to live as a BEGGAR, every day?

Would you want EVERLASTING LIFE, if you were being TORTURED every day?

Would you want EVERLASTING LIFE, if you were a MANACLED PRISONER every day?

If you had the experience of being an ANGEL OF MERCY to people who needed you, you would know to FEAR living ETERNITY like that.

THE DEVILS feed off the Life Force of those who have failed to use it to serve Gods Fundamental Purposes- which makes it inaccessible to them.

If we survive our First Death- which is only possible with TOTAL RECALL- but are not protected by Superior Power- THE DEVILS WILL FEED ON US.

If we fail the TOTAL RECALL Test- given to every creature that dies- our Soul Body will be destroyed, when the Devils feast on its remains.

[See: THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda.]

Anyone with FULL ESP can easily perceive that.

At the very least, Lord Yeshua has alerted us to what we need to do to avoid that Dark Fate.

It is the height of Ignorance and Stupidity to deny that Lord Yeshua did anything for us!

WHEN LORD YESHUA COMES, HE EXPECTS HIS DISCIPLES TO HAVE DEVELOPED THE TEN TALENTS.

Those who developed nothing will be expelled into Outer Darkness.

Those who cultivate and develop The Talents are supposed to do so by using them to Feed, Water, Clothe, Heal, and Visit them with what they have.

. THE SIX LEVELS OF EXISTENCE.

1. BELIEFS; 2. THOUGHTS; 3. WORDS; 4. PHYSICAL ACTIONS;
5. POSTULATES;
6. TOTAL UNDERSTANDING.


[SCIENTOLOGY 0-8: The Book of Basics, by L. Ron Hubbard.]

Whatever you have on any level can be used to support fellow Brethren, but the Reward for support is proportional to the effort expended in said support.

. DEUTERONOMY 25:13-16.

13. Thou shalt not
have in thy bag
divers weights,
a great and a small.
14. Thou shalt not
have in thine house
divers measures,
a great and a small.
15. But thou shalt have
a perfect and just weight,
a perfect and just measure
shalt thou have:
that thy days may be lengthened
in the Land which
The LORD thy God giveth thee.
16. For all that do such things,
and all that do unrighteously,
are an abomination
unto the LORD thy God.

. MATTHEW 7:1-6.

“JUDGE not,
that ye be not judged.
2. "For with what
judgment ye judge,
ye shall be judged;
and with what
measure ye mete,
it shall be
measured to you again.
3. "And why beholdest thou
the mote
that is in thy brother's eye,
but considerest not the beam
that is in thine own eye?
4. "Or how wilt thou
say to thy brother,

'LET ME PULL OUT
THE MOTE
OUT OF THINE EYE;'


and, behold,
a beam is in thine own eye?
5. "Thou Hypocrite,
first cast out the beam
out of thine own eye;
and then shalt thou see clearly
to cast out the mote
out of thy brother's eye.
6. "Give not that which is holy
unto the dogs,
neither cast ye your pearls
before swine,
lest they trample them
under their feet,
and turn again
and rend you."

UNJUST PEOPLE ARE STRANGELY MYSTIFIED THAT GOD DOES NOT RESPOND TO ATTEND THEM FASTER THAN THEY RESPOND TO THE NEEDS OF OTHERS!

They actually expect God to treat them better than they have treated His Servants.

For instance, that the English loudmouth Atheist, RICHARD DAWKINS, the one who told his ilk not to debate with Theists in order to "DENY THEM THE OXYGEN OF CREDIBILITY," then wonders why God does not descend from Heaven to manifest before him, like one of his school pupils, explaining why they should not be expelled for being late to submit their Assignment!

You are supposed to have answered all your silly questions about God during your adolescent years, and are none of you now anywhere near to ADULTS!

Lord Yeshua delivered us from DEATH ITSELF- yet you all bumble and mumble as people who cannot read and write with any depth of understanding at all!

Everything you think you know about The Gospel is WRONG.

A Christian has no business with Death.

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