prolog3111:



We are done, you are too dumb to have a conversation with me. And I am tired of giving free lessons. So walk away, please. Notice I didn't read your trash, except the first line or so which already was far from accurate. Good day in your dumb house.

Chai! You mean to tell me say you no chop the food wey I prepare for you inside my comment?!

otipoju:


Tis a lot more complex than that.
One of the benefits of the modern era is social media especially youtube that, enables people to get information from various sources and not just from the TV and radio stations only.

Honestly you cant blame them. They had been told that their own people rejected them an sold them into slavery. And did not bother to come look for them for all these centuries.

Moreso the images of Africa they see on TV is of suffering, mud houses, malnourishment and corruption. No one will want to associate with that especially when they see it as just punishment for the evil that we did to them.

With social media and the Wakanda movie, where Africa was potrayed in a positive light, a longing for home has stirred up in the african american.

If not that most of our governments are clueless, now is the time to establish African cultural centers in the United states where african languages and certain cultural stuff can be taught to and learned by African Americans. Igbo, Yoruba, Ghanian languages. Marriage, naming and burial ceremonies and how to cook certain foods....and not masquerade stuff.

True.


That Wakanda thing is hilarious every time!

Alan Ryder, recording the experiences of yet another European merchant, the French trader and Captain called Landolphe, in Benin in February 1778, said, "the Ezomo (leading military Chief) was the richest man in Benin, owning more than 10,000 slaves, none of whom was ever sold." The author then commented: "His (the Ezomo's) refusal to sell any of his slaves is also noteworthy for the light it sheds upon the attitude of powerful Edo chiefs towards the slave trade: however numerous they might be, a great man did not sell his slaves." Says Edo people: "vbo ghi da Oba no na mu ovionren khien?" Meaning, "what need does the Oba want to satisfy by putting out his slave for sale?"

The above quote is for those of you who believe there was slave trade in Africa before the arrival of Europeans.

In ancient Africa, we didn't have a prison system because crime rate was almost zero, so instead of a prison system for punishing crime, any criminal (wrong doer) and prisoners of war became servants under a ruler for a specific amount of time. They were meant to serve the ruler, help in menial jobs and they normally would regain their freedom after a while.

However, in Europe, as early as the 5th century AD, the same criminals (wrong doers) and prisoners of war, were kept as serfs (slaves) under a landlord and they were traded among feudal lords even before Europeans arrived Africa. This is how the African criminals (wrong doers) and prisoners of war serving for their crimes became interpreted by the Europeans as SLAVES (because that's what they called similar situation in Europe) not realizing that ours was used for reprimand only. Ours were never to be sold!!.

At no time did Africans engage in slave trade before the arrival of Europeans. It wasn't until the arrival of Europeans that they hoodwinked African rulers into the slave business. You will never find it in history where Africans engaged in slave trade before the arrival of Arabs and Europeans. It did not happen!. The unanimous response by Africans to Europeans would have been as the Bini's said ''what need does the Oba want to satisfy by putting out his slave (wrong doers and prisoners of war) for sale?''

Africans, get your history right. The white man is a liar and he control your by lying to you. Slavery has been going on in Europe for thousands of years before the Europeans arrive Africa.

To find out the truth about African history and burst European lies, learn from these black scholars. See Africans and African-American scholars of black history you should know http://www.africason.com/2018/08/africans-and-african-american-scholars.html

Shut up and learn from people who know more than you.

prolog3111:


Did you test all of them ?

Fine boy.

bigfrancis21:


True, hardly would you find an AA who is 100% of something but I have seen some tests come out as close as 80% or 90% of something. One AA who used to be a nairalander on this forum many years ago (between 2010 and 2013 or so) posted about receiving her DNA test and her paternal ancestry or maternal or so was 90%+ of SE Nigeria heritage. Her DNA tester was shocked as well and asked her if she had any recent Nigerian in her heritage to which she answered no and it was very surprising how her SE heritage had been so preserved all these generations despite all previous uncontrolled inter-marriages. Her tester's best guess was that there must have been a huge concentration of SE Nigerian heritage present in her area to have sustained her near 100% admixture.

However, 100% of anything would be very rare, if not impossible.

bendike:
What does that mean?

he dey greet u in esan language

Hmm

RedboneSmith:


You again. No African American is 100% anything. And that is a FACT.

Interesting discussion.

Is this fact based on their forefathers being enslaved and slaves were cross bred during and after slavery? There are concentrations of slaves who on reaching the West immediately escaped and set up their own communities deep in the jungle....pretty much maintaining their culture ....and more relevant to this conversation.... their DNA. Some of those people have migrated to the US.... and can have a 100% DNA as one in Africa whose forefathers never ever left his homeland.
The people I refer to.... the Ndyuka people of Suriname.

meobizy:

I saw it in random videos on YouTube tracing their ancestral origin.

Well, according to a number of YouTube videos that i also watched... It's been gathered that most of them share a lot of their ancestry from parts that today are known as the Gambia, Senegal, Liberia, Sierra Leone, Nigeria and a lot more with majority having their DNA being strongly related to the coasts of Nigeria and other West African countries... Let's just call them Africans...

If we get our DNA tested right now, we'll be surprised as to where our ancestors are from sef? I'm happy for them though

thesicilian:
Even we are joining the foreigners to call them African Americans when we know fully well they are full fledged Nigerians.

A race doesn't determine a man..

gregyboy:


Nigga stop make false claim benin never sold themselves to slavery never in history they knew what slavery as they were in the buisness with the Portuguese ( kpotokis) they trace thier origins here wad not dna bases more of tourism it could also be this people mistook benin republic for bini edo state

Exactly. Benin people were slave traders or masters. Lol
They raided other ethnic groups in the Niger Delta area to sell as slaves.

Judybash93:


Well, according to a number of YouTube videos that i also watched... It's been gathered that most of them share a lot of their ancestry from parts that today are known as the Gambia, Senegal, Liberia, Sierra Leone, Nigeria and a lot more with majority having their DNA being strongly related to the coasts of Nigeria and other West African countries... Let's just call them Africans...

If we get our DNA tested right now, we'll be surprised as to where our ancestors are from sef? I'm happy for them though

Here we go again *roll eyes*.
Now where did I deny they were West African?
Mind you Gambia is also a West African country.
I don’t see what point you’re trying to beat here — it’s already a dead horse.

bigfrancis21:
Two factors checked the spread of Portuguese
influence and the continued expansion of Benin,
however. First, Portugal stopped buying pepper
because of the availability of other spices in the
Indian Ocean region. Second, Benin placed an embargo
on the export of slaves, thereby isolating itself
from the growth of what was to become the major
export from the Nigerian coast for 300 years. Benin
continued to capture slaves and to employ them in
its domestic economy, but the Edo state remained
unique among Nigerian polities in refusing to
participate in the transatlantic trade. In the long
run, Benin remained relatively isolated from the
major changes along the Nigerian coast.
The Portuguese initially bought slaves for resale on
the Gold Coast, where slaves were traded for gold.
For this reason, the southwestern coast of Nigeria
and neighboring parts of the present-day Republic of Benin (not to be confused with the kingdom of Benin)
became known as the "slave coast." When the African
coast began to supply slaves to the Americas in the
last third of the sixteenth century, the Portuguese
continued to look to the Bight of Benin as one of
its sources of supply. By then they were
concentrating activities on the Angolan coast, which
supplied roughly 40 percent of all slaves shipped to
the Americas throughout the duration of the
transatlantic trade, but they always maintained a
presence on the Nigerian coast.
The Portuguese monopoly on West African trade was
broken at the end of the sixteenth century, when
Portugal's influence was challenged by the rising
naval power of the Netherlands. The Dutch took over
Portuguese trading stations on the coast that were
the source of slaves for the Americas. French and

Nigeria: Atlantic Ocean

English competition later undermined the Dutch
position. Although slave ports from Lagos to Calabar
would see the flags of many other European maritime
countries (including Denmark, Sweden, and
Brandenburg) and the North American colonies,
Britain became the dominant slaving power in the
eighteenth century. Its ships handled two-fifths of
the transatlantic traffic during the century. The
Portuguese and French were responsible for another
two-fifths.
Nigeria kept its important position in the slave
trade throughout the great expansion of the
transatlantic trade after the middle of the
seventeenth century. Slightly more slaves came from
the Nigerian coast than from Angola in the
eighteenth century, while in the nineteenth century
perhaps 30 percent of all slaves sent across the
Atlantic came from Nigeria. Over the period of the
whole trade, more than 3.5 million slaves were
shipped from Nigeria to the Americas. Most of these
slaves were Igbo and Yoruba, with significant
concentrations of Hausa, Ibibio, and other ethnic
groups. In the eighteenth century, two polities--Oyo
and the Aro confederacy--were responsible for most
of the slaves exported from Nigeria. The Aro
confederacy continued to export slaves through the
1830s, but most slaves in the nineteenth century
were a product of the Yoruba civil wars that
followed the collapse of Oyo in the 1820s.

http://www.edofolks.com/html/pub158.htm

Yoruba didn’t sell themselves until the civil war. So it’s impossible for Bini people to sell Yoruba’s before then.

We would have just called them our long lost brothers and sisters in a white man's land

YorubaMuslims:



This is what I'm saying, skin colors don't tell ancestry test


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvrfB7ENqvY

Skin color does give an indication of possible admixture or ancestry taking other factors into consideration.

The assertion is not that light skin only comes as a result of admixture but that there is a correlation for light skin in African Americans and the probability of admixture genes from Europeans.

YorubaMuslims:



Not true about the light skin.
You talk as if there are no light skin people in Nigeria,
There are some Igbo Nigerians that made there ancestry test and they are 100% African even though they are looking like the Europeans by skin.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvrfB7ENqvY

The gene that is said to cause or influence light skin in Europeans has ancient variants in Africa and the prevalence of this ancient mutation has a strong concentration in the Igbo speaking peoples of Nigeria and the SAN peoples of South Africa. The variant in East Africa is said to have been brought in from back migrations from the levant and West Asia.

Source:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/10/new-gene-variants-reveal-evolution-human-skin-color

meobizy:

Here we go again *roll eyes*.
Now where did I deny they were West African?
Mind you Gambia is also a West African country.
I don’t see what point you’re trying to beat here — it’s already a dead horse.

I wasn't arguing with you. I was only amplifying your point

gregyboy:


Nigga stop make false claim benin never sold themselves to slavery never in history they knew what slavery as they were in the buisness with the Portuguese ( kpotokis) they trace thier origins here wad not dna bases more of tourism it could also be this people mistook benin republic for bini edo state

Bro they really traded slave with Benin only that oba of Benin didn't agree to the claim just because of good name but this is true European confirm it.

gregyboy:


Nigga stop make false claim benin never sold themselves to slavery never in history they knew what slavery as they were in the buisness with the Portuguese ( kpotokis) they trace thier origins here wad not dna bases more of tourism it could also be this people mistook benin republic for bini edo state

You lied, the Oba of Benin sold the highest slaves in west Africa, 3.5 million as am told

65% of them went to America, the Benin people were sold as slaves.

czarina:
You're prolonging issues.

No African-American is 100% any ethnicity.

Thank you none of them except the ones that migrated from Africa to America to nationalize

Like dem Akon and wyclef

LGDON:


You lied, the Oba of Benin sold the highest slaves in west Africa, 3.5 million as am told

65% of them went to America, the Benin people were sold as slaves.

Bwnin started selling slaves as trade since 15c with the pourtuguese they sold other tribe Benin's infact originated the tribal marks to mark themselves against captured slaves by the Portuguese after tge arrival of the britsh that other tribes jumped into the trade

goalernestman:


Bro they really traded slave with Benin only that oba of Benin didn't agree to the claim just because of good name but this is true European confirm it.

It will be only possibe on 3 condition if this slaves were taking from benin

1. ediod subgroups like delta
Other part of edo state not benin exactly

2.either after the war with the britsh captive from 1987 invasion #which i doubt

3 ....history has it some bini warriors left to aid as Portuguese warriors at pourtugal and were to return but their fell inlove with Portugal and never returned back to benin #which I also doubt if this was the case

gregyboy:


Bwnin started selling slaves as trade since 15c with the pourtuguese they sold other tribe Benin's infact originated the tribal marks to mark themselves against captured slaves by the Portuguese after tge arrival of the britsh that other tribes jumped into the trade

The Oba of benin sold the so called benin people to the Portuguese, According to the Portugueses he sold 3.5 million slaves of which 65% was taken to America.

Benin people were sold as slaves, Igbo people were sold as slaves, yoruba people were sold as slaves. Ask the yoruba people how they got to south america.

The Oba of benin put his son Ado in Lagos for slave business. Lagos mean Eko... camp in our language

It means where we camp slaves before been sold, that was a center of slave market.

Again, benin people were sold as slaves by the Oba of benin.

gregyboy:


It will be only possibe on 3 condition if tgis slaves were taking from other

1. ediod subgroups like delta
Other part of edo state not benin exactly

2.either after the war with the britsh captive from 1987 invasion #which i doubt

3 ....history has ir some bini warriors left to aid as Portuguese warriors at pourtugal and were to return but the fell inlove with Portugal and never returned back to benin #which I also doubt if this is also the case

It is truth Benin was originally slave sellers in Nigeria confirm by European igbo Yoruba who is claiming they sold slaves really were not but the Benin's did. But what unclear is if the Benin sold citizens of the city.

LGDON:


The Oba of benin sold the so called benin people to the Portuguese, According to the Portugueses he sold 3.5 million slaves of which 65% was taken to America.

Benin people were sold as slaves, Igbo people were sold as slaves, yoruba people were sold as slaves. Ask the yoruba people how they got to south america.

The Oba of benin put his son Ado in Lagos for slave business. Lagos mean Eko... camp in our language

It means where we camp slaves before been sold, that was a center of slave market.

Again, benin people were sold as slaves by the Oba of benin.

yes Oba sold slaves in Lagos and what you said there is correct the European always confirm this but Oba of Benin try to direct it to his chifs. Greg try to go deep in researching about this.

LGDON:


The Oba of benin sold the so called benin people to the Portuguese, According to the Portugueses he sold 3.5 million slaves of which 65% was taken to America.

Benin people were sold as slaves, Igbo people were sold as slaves, yoruba people were sold as slaves. Ask the yoruba people how they got to south america.

The Oba of benin put his son Ado in Lagos for slave business. Lagos mean Eko... camp in our language

It means where we camp slaves before been sold, that was a center of slave market.

Again, benin people were sold as slaves by the Oba of benin.

Lets take a look at benin in the past this was a kingdom that had pride for itself ...that pride took them to a war with all probability of not winning but yet they still fought so that same pridw made tgem forbadw the Portuguese for selling the benins because they understand how slaves were treated

gregyboy:



Lets take a look at benin in the past this was a kingdom that had pride for itself ...that pride took them to a war with all probability of not winning but yet they still fought so that same pridw made tgem forbadw the Portuguese for selling the benins because they understand how slaves were treated

are you talking about the First Class citizens of Benin in Benin city or the ones in Benin nation then.

There is a reference of a guy taken from Benin nation oba as the ruler in 18th century this reference has been rewrite to look like it was an ignorant but when you read the guy full article quote Benin was the place. Go read about him

gregyboy:



Lets take a look at benin in the past this was a kingdom that had pride for itself ...that pride took them to a war with all probability of not winning but yet they still fought so that same pridw made tgem forbadw the Portuguese for selling the benins because they understand how slaves were treated

This guy is the only reference of slave who was taken from South Nigeria region in 17th cent that wrote about it. The man that makes many igbo think many black in America was taken from nri kingdom.

The first link below rewrite the man article completely to make it looks like igbo
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olaudah_Equiano

But the man real original article only writes by him alone explain the real fact

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Interesting_Narrative_of_the_Life_of_Olaudah_Equiano

Just read his summary from chapter 1

gregyboy:



Lets take a look at benin in the past this was a kingdom that had pride for itself ...that pride took them to a war with all probability of not winning but yet they still fought so that same pridw made tgem forbadw the Portuguese for selling the benins because they understand how slaves were treated

How did the Europeans treat slaves that is horrible than what the Oba was doing in Benin?

The Oba was using Benin people as human sacrifice to serve his idols.

Dont argue what you dont know, the Oba of Benin sold many binis as slaves. You are even seeing some of the slave traced their root back home and you still arguing.

I tire

YorubaMuslims:



Not true about the light skin.
You talk as if there are no light skin people in Nigeria,
There are some Igbo Nigerians that made there ancestry test and they are 100% African even though they are looking like the Europeans by skin.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvrfB7ENqvY

I am lightskinned too, and I am not mixed with some Caucasian. I thought what I was saying about the woman in blue would be understood without me going into too much detail. She has a general mixed look about her that goes beyond skin tone.

LGDON:


How did the Europeans treat slaves that is horrible than what the Oba was doing in Benin?

The Oba was using Benin people as human sacrifice to serve his idols.

Dont argue what you dont know, the Oba of Benin sold many binis as slaves. You are even seeing some of the slave traced their root back home and you still arguing.

I tire

I don't know why you insist edo sold themselves as slaves what is your gain when the people are telling you they never recorded any such history ...on the otherhand this tourist could be long Benin migrant who parents left the shores of Nigeria long ago to u .s

gregyboy:


I don't know why you insist edo sold themselves as slaves what is your gain when the people are telling you they never recorded any such history ...on the otherhand this tourist could be long Benin migrant who parents left the shores of Nigeria long ago to u .s

What is wrong with you, you have seen descendants of those been sold as slaves traced their root back you are still arguing.

For your information the binis dont have transparent history presently made public.