I read with the same certainty that the former Comforter, when he foretold the coming of the Another Comforter; he described what he will do as he appeared on the stage of humanity.

Among many, one of the things is the Another Comforter will teach his followers, who are believers in One Indivisible God. And other things that the former Comforter did not teach his followers. One should wonder why the former Comforter did not teach his flocks what the another Comforter will teach the new brood of believers? The former Comforter said his followers did not have enough faith, hence not spiritually matured to handle many things.

We therefore see from the actions of his followers whom he described as people of little faith, one of them betrayed him. Another denied him. And incidentally, in his anger when one of them annoyed him, he called him "Satan". I didnt even say that they did not fight though well equiped with bags and swords. Maybe their little faith actually did the former comforter in?


Now, in a thread authored by Tonye-T, which he titled "Muhammed teachings about Shaitan (Satan) . . . . Just too Hilarious", we see that all the things that were funny or hilarious to many is actually the truth. None of them the former Comforter taught. The fact that the Another Comforter who succeeded him taught his followers, are fulfillment of what the former Comforter said. And at the same time validated Muhammad (AS) for the position of the Another Comforter and the natural successor to Isa bin Maryam (AS).


I am not using the Bible as an isolated support source of Muhammad's position. The Quran is abound with many verses about his Messenger and Prophetic position. Surah Saffa verse 6 clearly says the exact thing that the Biblical verses or at least one of them says about Muhammad from the lips of Jesus son of Mary.

Tonye-T and his supporters, have acted exactly like the disbelievers in the time of Noah acted, making fun of his flood or unstoppable rainfall. They are taking the same position as Pharaoh and his court took in the time of Moses, poking fun at his statements. They are doing the same thing ad the elites of children of Israel did to Jesus son of Mary, not even believing his work and definitely his messenger and prophetic office. Allah says in Surah Kahf that the people of hell fire will be reminded of their making jest of the verses and signs of God, and their making fun of the Messenger and or prophet who told them the truth.

I ask Tonye-T, here and now; Do you have a soul in your body and where does it reside? If you have no clear answer to where we can ind your soul in your body, then the same applies to shaitan in the body. Since both are spiritual entities, one the soul we hope is good, the other, shaitan is obviously enemy of mankind. Your enemy will come to you in ways you do not know, especially spiritual enemy like shaitan.

I have just made my magrib prayer, and in that prayer, the things i was was thinking about while i was not in prayers crept into my thought. Alhamdulillah, one of them is to start this thread.


If shaitan puts 3 knots in your hairs so that you over sleep and neglect your duty of prayer, remembrance to your Lord, do you think you will find knots in your hair by running your fingers through it? no, silly. It is in spirituality that shaitan does it. Allah told the another Comforter these things about Shaitan, so that he may warn true believers. And to you, a disbeliever in Jesus and in Muhammad will laugh at it because it is so funny.


Which one of the many work and tricks of shaitan that the another comforter taught believers that you know for a fact that in the spiritual realm, it is incorrect? And just because jesus did not teach it should tell you that the Another Comforter had more information from his Creator to give, exactly as Jesus son of Mary said.

« #9 on: October 04, 2010, 03:05 PM » Tonye posted this on his comic relief thread:

Further. . .

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Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger as saying: A bell is Satan's musical instrument

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Hadith scholars believed the guy (Muhammed) simply hated bells and so coined it into his religion. making folks believe Satan has a bell and probably uses it to ring sounds. . .goes to show that muhammed must have been exposed to some hypnotizing classes. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


then below people posted material to rubbish Tonye-T post above. I think tonye-t is angry about the bell because he is a christian and the churches ring bells to call people in. The joke below is on you. Except that it is a reality.

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« #2 on: October 04, 2010, 11:11 PM »

The devil seems to fancy music.
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« #3 on: October 05, 2010, 06:29 AM »

Yeah, this explains the success of many musicians though they sang rubbish. Also, dont forget that he's the chief musician in heaven before his fall.
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i am not even commenting on the "chief Musician in heaven" part. Am sure concept is from the Bible.

JCross19 posted the bold against Mudley123's post which he reminded the Christians that their reality is worse. Nothing spiritual about it, while that of Islam is different, hence you can really dispute spirituality.

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you guys (christians) are here mocking and laughing at the absurdities that is other religious beliefs but when you get called out on the countless absurdities that is the book of jewish myths n folklores called the bible you either run n tuck your tail behind your legs or resort to aimless name callings n nonsensical invocations of curses. bloody hypocrites


mud or what it's your name ,no one is disptuing the fact what the bible taught about the law and that was the time of the moses which is not in practice any more and please tell me does that teachings taught in the old testament influence the christians now huh?And mind you this is what we are threading on on here okay if you want to talk about that open another thread for that and stop digressing the thread . TONEY-T CARRY GO THE TEACHING IS HILARIOUS , I MEAN REALLY HILARIOUS

On this thread we shall strictly deal on the Shaitan (Satan) aspect of what the Another Comforter had to teach, because the former Comforter, and others before him did not teach their communities. This morning I read about the young woman american artist, song writer, singer performer named Miley Cyrus, about her latest single. The 17 years old singer's single is titled "Who controls my heart", from the onset seem to be an ordinary innocent song, I think. But a parent group, mostly of women are upset probably based on what they see on her video or hear from her lips.

Somehow, the anger against her is based on the music and not her person. I dont thin they will be against her if she was not singing a tune in this latest single different from her TV performances.

When a parent group is upset and unhappy with a former darling of their organization, they are either doing so because of the adverse impact they thing it will have on their children, rightfully so, I agree. Or that they are doing so, taking a position against such a person without any justification. But why? So we must eliminate the later and have to go to the former. And unless Tonye-T and his supporters can tell us that when a parent group is angry against such a performance, as they are of Miley Cyrus, or in the days gone bye of Madonna, etc, that is it because the music is filled with Godliness. Otherwise we have to agree that the anger stems from the Satanic implication they perceive. Satan works in many different ways; subtle and hard straight at you and any degree in between.

Below is a dialogue about Shaitan and one of his ways, as introduced by Olaadegbu. I came in on it only to catch him redhanded. Yet he changed his mind. And you can read how he changed his mind on another aspect of who Shaitan already has in the bag. I will highlight this, and call Tonye-T and his supporters to see how true what Muhammad (AS) said about Shaitan. The things the Former Comforter before could not say because his supporters were people of low grade of Faith. Expect more importation from the likes of Olaadegbu and Tonye-T, etc and you will be the judge; Is Satan real and does he come to humans in any and all forms to turn humans from the path of God?


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« #4 on: October 05, 2010, 09:53 AM »

this post is so funny. couldn't stop laughing. Man, those who did this succeeded perfectly. Only it's so baseless.
I'd like to believe this was posted as a joke, hence my laughing. But is poster is really serious Huh Huh
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Hehehehehe!!!! It's probably a joke! Grin I mean, how can you tell somebody sells a soul? No1, the notion of selling your soul, is just a phrase! It's not suppose to be taken literally! 2nd, that list is full of more holes than an Amsterdam red light district!
"Upon his death, rumors began to fly that his great intelligence – and, consequently his inventive genius – was the result of a pact with the devil."
Are you kidding me? What's wrong with you people? Can't you see this is total bullcrap?
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^^^Whatever, i'll advise you to click the link and see the original post. You'll see a document signed by the devil himself then come back and tell me it's a joke.
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^^^Whatever, i'll advise you to click the link and see the original post. You'll see a document signed by the devil himself then come back and tell me it's a joke.

Step 1: turn on brain

Step 2: remove stick from backside Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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« #8 on: October 07, 2010, 01:04 PM »

Looool what a thread! Grin Grin
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^^^Whatever, i'll advise you to click the link and see the original post. You'll see a document signed by the devil himself then come back and tell me it's a joke.



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Quote from: hakunajay on October 06, 2010, 07:42 AM
^^^Whatever, i'll advise you to click the link and see the original post. You'll see a document signed by the devil himself then come back and tell me it's a joke.

Stop it, man! You're cracking me up! You mean you actually believe that crap? Just for argument sake, what does one gain and lose from selling one's soul to the devil? Please i'll like to know.
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Quote from: hakunajay on October 06, 2010, 07:42 AM
^^^Whatever, i'll advise you to click the link and see the original post. You'll see a document signed by the devil himself then come back and tell me it's a joke.
document signed by the devil himself? what a revelation!
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This is how they sign their souls away, for fame.

<a href="http://media.chick.com/tract_6.swf" target="_blank">http://media.chick.com/tract_6.swf</a>
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@Ola, i can assure you Satan has no need for your soul, that matter has already been signed/sealed/delivered what is the koko is getting more False Prophets into the Mix, it seems the Muslims are way ahead of you there. Grin

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@Ola, i can assure you Satan has no need for your soul, that matter has already been signed/sealed/delivered what is the koko is getting more False Prophets into the Mix, it seems the Muslims are way ahead of you there. Grin

And why are you convinced that you have not sold your soul to the devil?
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The Contract!

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0078/0078_01.asp

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This is how they sign their souls away, for fame.

<a href="http://media.chick.com/tract_6.swf" target="_blank">http://media.chick.com/tract_6.swf</a>

smh. presenting cartoon strips as evidence of some mythical entities signing contractual agreements with one another is as credible as comic strips with a grown man with tight clothings and a cape flying in the sky

and you forgot to mention obama in your post
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@Mudley313,

This is for you and your folks.

Big Daddy. Wink

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^^^^^Arent you old enough to stop expression always in cartoon? I know you must doddle (unstructured writing or drawing). Using that to express yourself, all the time is not good.


So you come here now, Olaadegbu to say that "SATAN" can buy the soul of a person in contract? But in the thread of Tonye-T, you and your christian friends laughed at the Messenger (AS) tell muslims how not allow Satan to seduce him into the contract.


Your kind of man is what we call hypocrite in Islam. Well what do I expect from you since you say three Gods are always equal to One.
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@nopuqeater,

Don't you know by now that satan doesn't need a contract? he's got everyone who has refused to accept Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Saviour.
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[b]@Olaadegbu: Am following your logic, man.

What you write is what I respond to.


If Satan does not need physical contract, he sure got a spiritual contract with those who are not mindful of his ways;

Those who say there is no God.

Those who say God are what you make of Him.

Those who say God is partnership with any thing, man Angel, name it.

THose who say God is their tribal possession and the rest of us outside the tribe are excluded.


All of these people and many that i have not listed, including hypocrites from among muslims, all of them are with Shaitan. Allah has allowed Shaitan a free will on them. They and Shaitan will be inmates of hell fire.


When according to the Bible the Devil (Shaitan) said to Jesus son of Mary: I own the authority of this world. Bow to me. It will be yours". Jesus was reported that he worshp only God. So do I. So do all believing Muslims. Jesus was not his own Lord. Allah is. It is Allah we worship and only His aids we seek.


You want to go to Pit of the lake of fire, continue with your human worship and taking him as patron and partner with your Creator. Your day of reckorning is coming. You will not be able to escape it. And Jesus will need help for himself, except that he has mercy of Allah just like any and all Prophets does.


You will be on your own. Easily you will see your destinya dn will hate it. But there is nothing you can do about it.[/b]
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@Olaadegbu: Am following your logic, man.

What you write is what I respond to.

OK

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If Satan does not need physical contract, he sure got a spiritual contract with those who are not mindful of his ways;
Those who say there is no God.
Those who say God are what you make of Him.

Agreed.

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Those who say God is partnership with any thing, man Angel, name it.

It depends on what you think God is. Christians believe that God enters into partnership with His children, and this is often called a covenant. Abraham benefitted from this and as a result the Israelites and believers in Christ are still enjoying the blessings till date.

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THose who say God is their tribal possession and the rest of us outside the tribe are excluded.

God is for everyone who receives Him as their Lord and Saviour but if you reject His Son then you reject the Father:

"Whosoever denies the Son, the same has not the Father: but he that acknowledes the Son has the Father also"

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All of these people and many that i have not listed, including hypocrites from among muslims, all of them are with Shaitan. Allah has allowed Shaitan a free will on them. They and Shaitan will be inmates of hell fire.

Are you talking about the allah that can decide to mislead muslims into hell?

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When according to the Bible the Devil (Shaitan) said to Jesus son of Mary: I own the authority of this world. Bow to me. It will be yours". Jesus was reported that he worshp only God. So do I. So do all believing Muslims. Jesus was not his own Lord. Allah is. It is Allah we worship and only His aids we seek.

Biblically speaking, Jesus Christ in His humanity prayed to the Father. Since Christ came as a man -- and since one of the proper duties of man is to worship, pray to and adore God -- it was perfectly proper for Jesus to address the Father in prayer. Positionally speaking as a man, as a Jew and as our High Priest

"in all things He had to be made like His brethren" (Hebrews 2:7)

Jesus could pray to the Father. But this in no way detracts from His intrinsic deity.

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You want to go to Pit of the lake of fire, continue with your human worship and taking him as patron and partner with your Creator. Your day of reckorning is coming. You will not be able to escape it. And Jesus will need help for himself, except that he has mercy of Allah just like any and all Prophets does.
You will be on your own. Easily you will see your destiny and will hate it. But there is nothing you can do about it.

Don't be surprised on the Day or reckoning that the one who you worship turns out to be the horned one but by then it would be too late if you don't take advantage of the privilege of the Advocate who can plead your case, and that Advocate is not Mo as he himself will need to plead for himself before the King of Kings and Lord of Lord.
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All of have spoken well. To those who believe, weldone and to those who dont, be careful especially you who is indirectly referring to your daddy as a madman! It's well with all of you!
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While Toba on the other thread said the below, teling us that, Parables from Jesus do not always mean reality, I just have to wonder what purpose is such a parable from a leader? Yet all that Muhammad (AS) said is the reality of man, spiritually and in the physical. And the disbelievers have turned realities to jokes.

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confusion, hilarious , tedious, delusional, anger, digression and so many many more in islam i can smell that from vedaxcool posting on here b,cos he or she has being posting irrelevant posts on the thread or maybe is confused . please can someone ask him what the thread is all about and compare it to what posted high lighted up there huh? TONEY-T CARRY JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DONT MIND THEM
cant help but ssmhat his delusion. How does the teachings of mohammad relate with the parable of christ on this thread? Can someone pls tell this ignorant guy that parables does not always mean reality


In the next post I will post the virtue of using the right hand, if you can use it, instead of left hand. Lefties are not forced to use their right hand. No amputee is forced to use a limb he does not have.

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Just imagine

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Ibn Umar narrated Muhammed as saying, "When anyone of you intends to eat (meal), he should eat with his right hand, and when he (intends) to drink he should drink with his right hand, for the Satan eats with his left hand and drinks with his left hand." Grin Grin Grin Grin


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Mind you, this were not mere figuratives but are real practises by Muslims till date

This Hadith illustrates more of Muhammad's superstitions. I never knew Satan eats and drinks with his left hand?! Does Satan pitch with his left hand? Does he write with his left hand? Is Muhammad saying that lefties are following in the ways of Satan? Would Muhammad consider the great southpaws of baseball to be emmissaries of Satan? According to Muhammad, are ambidextrious people cursed, or part evil, part good, or Huh

Muhammad's foolishness has probably caused people who are naturally left handed a great deal of grief. Imagine having to live in a culture that considers being left handed a taboo or weakness. Grin Grin Grin Grin


Contrary to what Tonye-t concluded about about superstitions, the reality is that Muslims have none. And below is the reason for those people who are not handicapped to use the hand hand for noble things, should not opt for using left hand for these noble things.


Allaah has warned us against disobeying the commands of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And let those who oppose the Messenger’s (Muhammad’s) commandment (i.e. his Sunnah __ legal ways, orders, acts of worship, statements) (among the sects) beware, lest some Fitnah (disbelief, trials, afflictions, earthquakes, killing, overpowered by a tyrant) should befall them or a painful torment be inflicted on them”

[al-Noor 24:63]

This applies if one is able to eat with the right hand. But if one is unable to do so, there is no sin in that. Al-Nawawi said in Sharh Muslim (13/191): The objection to eating and drinking with the left hand applies so long as there is no excuse. If there is an excuse which prevents one from eating and drinking with the right hand because of sickness, injury etc, then it is not makrooh. End quote.

Al-Ghazaali said in al-Ihya’ (4/93): Then the One Who gave you two hands to do things with, some of which are noble, such as picking up the Mus-haf, and some are ignoble, such as removing impurities. So if you pick up the Mus-haf with your left hand, and you remove impurities with your right hand, then you have used that which is noble to do something ignoble, and you have neglected its rights and wronged it, and turned away from what is proper. End quote.

To sum up what the scholars have said about the reasons why the right hand is preferred for things that are noble:

1- That is differing from the shaytaan, as in the case of eating and drinking.

2- It is honouring the right hand over the left.

3- It is using proper etiquette with people, so that one does not shake hands with them, take things from them or give things to them with the hand with which one removes impurities.

4- It is a sign of hope that Allaah will make us among those who are on the right hand (ahl al-yameen).

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^^^^^Bookmarked? Okay. I guess you know what that means in your own mind.

I don't even know what to say about alfa olabowale nopuqeater&his quest to interpret negatively what the Bible says. Will get u a response soon

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[b]John 14:16 'And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever'

John 14:26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

John 15:26 "When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me.

A Counseller will comfort (give you support,) guide, teach and correct any wrong notions you may have. As you can see from the verse I quoted, Jesus did actually refer to the Holy Spirit as the Counsellor. Mohammed is not the Comforter Jesus promised would come. Mohammed is not the Holy Spirit. Jesus expressly stated who the Counsellor was - the Holy Spirit.

You say Mohammed glorifies Jesus? Why do Mohammed's followers hate Jesus then? Do you really know what it means to glorify someone? Why 'glorify' Jesus in a book and persecute others who glorify him with their lives? I don't get it!

Mohammed did not teach along the lines of what Jesus taught. Jesus practiced what he preached and I bet Mohammed did too. We know Jesus lived a godly life. He did not murder, plunder, despoil, raid or revel in sexual immorality or encourage any of these things. The comforter reminds Jesus' followers of what he taught. For example, Jesus taught in Luke 16:18 that "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery". The Holy Spirit - the comforter and cousellor- reminds us of this and explains the teaching. The person who comes and teaches that you should divorce one of your four wives before you marry another is definitely saying something entirely different from what Jesus said and he therefore can not be 'the comforter'.
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John 14:16 'And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever'[/Quote]Did the former abide with you forever? This is a window to the reality. Was Jesus the former Comforter? He is not here now. Or is he? Is he abiding with you forever? If yes, how? If no, then he is not even a prophet, because all prophets are abiding forever. Moses is. Just ask the Jews. Abraham is. Just ask any who claim to be a monotheist. Noah is. So is Adam, our father.




[Quote]John 14:26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.[/Quote]Teach you all things. What did the Ghost teach you how to ake your husband happy? What did the teach you how to be a mother and or a wife? How about your duty to your parents? How about when you wake up? or when you leave your house, or return to it? Muhammad (AS) taught me in each of these places. How to keep my family together and how to make madame happy.




[Quote]John 15:26 "When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me.[/QUote]What can a non talking ghost say that human beings will hear? Seyibrown, you are listening to your heart; morality or Shaitan is talking. Jesus said the Another Comforter will testify about him. How and why when he simply just left the companions? Unless they are dotards, it is unnecessary that another testimony is needed, that soon. Did they forget so soon that they have to be corrected in les than 3 months?




[Quote]A Counseller will comfort (give you support,) guide, teach and correct any wrong notions you may have. As you can see from the verse I quoted, Jesus did actually refer to the Holy Spirit as the Counsellor. Mohammed is not the Comforter Jesus promised would come. Mohammed is not the Holy Spirit. Jesus expressly stated who the Counsellor was - the Holy Spirit.[/Quote]Dont be too hasty. look at the bold. It says; guide (you guide those who are lost. not those who are on the right path, already), teach (you teach the ignorants, not the Ph. D. holders), correct (you correct those who are wrong, not those who are right). Were the followers of jesus already fell into the lost and they needed to be guided back, fell into ignorance that they need teaching all over, fell into wrong ideas that they must be correct, each all within a matter of less than 2 months, after Jesus left?

If this is the case jesus must have been a terrible teacher, who shepherd a bunch of misfits with nothing in their head and zero faith in their hearts. They say you deserve a leader you get and the followers who you lead. After all of these, tell me, what did the Ghost (spirit) correct the disciples you said received him (not you unless you were at the so called penticost), on, taught you about, guided you from and then to? I want to see the textbook where you get your references of what the Holy spirit taught and how it guides. I need a name and just saying he talks to your heart is not in the description of what jesus said about the Spirit that will come from God to guide and abide for ever. Quran and Hadith and Sunnah guide, teach, correct and hence Muhammad (AS) abides forever.




[Quote]You say Mohammed glorifies Jesus? Why do Mohammed's followers hate Jesus then?[/QUote]Teh jesus sent by God is revered by every muslim. Not your idol that you attached jesus name to. prophet jesus son of Mary (AS), will never say to a person "worship me along with God".




[Quote]Do you really know what it means to glorify someone? Why 'glorify' Jesus in a book and persecute others who glorify him with their lives? I don't get it![/Quote]You dont glorify Jesus, Seyibrown. You glorify satan who has excited you to create from the name of jesus, an idol that you worship. jesus said he is a servant/slave. You said he is God. You see nothing wrong, here? I see plenty. This is worse that somebody calling you a single lady when you obviously a married woman.




[Quote]Mohammed did not teach along the lines of what Jesus taught.[/Quote]Remember we are talking about the one to correct, guide and teach accurately to all things.



[Quote]Jesus practiced what he preached and I bet Mohammed did too.[/QUote]Who is the Another comforter to teach, to guide and to correct? Obviously, not jesus, because he was the former comforter talking about the another comforter to come in the future. We will then have to assume that if this another comforter is to do all of these qualitative descriptions as Jesus outlined it, then he and jesus havce to be on the same path, except that he will be more comprehensive than jesus because his is all about all. Then those that he will be teaching, correcting and guiding must be wrong or ignorant and naive in each of these.




[Quote]We know Jesus lived a godly life. He did not murder, plunder, despoil, raid or revel in sexual immorality or encourage any of these things.[/Quote]You are almost completely naive in your speech. Lets observe why would a professor correct students who had just received a lecture on a particular matter from an earlier professor, except the students are already in error, after the lecture? Give me any reason that a student making 100% and above will need any correction? Moses who spoke to God, face to face murdered, plundered, despoiled, raided, and Solomon the wise reveled in sexual orgies of 1000 women. And by the way, I am married. And before my married I abstained from sex outside marriage. Why? For a Nigerian man who can talk up a storm? Islam held me back from such a lewd act. Go to the romance section and read how christian men are sharing "girls" they call them. You people are 100% unadulterated hypocrites.




[Quote]The comforter reminds Jesus' followers of what he taught.[/QUote]What did he teach that his disciples forgot so quickly that they have to be reminded by a spirit, who no one can hear exactly what he is saying to everyone at the same time? One single thing will make me say you won this argument. One lousy thing that the ghost told everyone "look you are wrong here, this is the correct thing, as jesus told you"? Tell me what the Ghost said about how long to nurse your new born, exactly what jesus said and the disciple forgot, and the ghost had to remind them, all over again? They passed it on to you. Didnt they? Where can I read it?




[Quote]For example, Jesus taught in Luke 16:18 that "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery,[/Quote]If both of you are unhappy in the marriage, is it by force that you stay with each other? This is evil, just like those muslims who force themselves on an unwilling spouse. Your Christian religion is not progressive at all. Imagine if a newly wed cant stand each orther? The man beating the woman and wants to kill her. Almost each time. is it proper that she stays in such a marriage? What about a man who cant keep his pants zipped up? A person that could easily bring deadly disease into the relationship? should she stay in such a relationship? You live in England, Seyibrown. To have this type of belief is regressive for a woman. marriage is a contract, and sometimes it is unworkable. It has not mutual benefit to force it, so dissolve it. Thats reality.




[Quote]and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery".[/QUote]A woman is 25. She is divorced. So this is death to her marital live? The man is 27, he is divorced. The same fate for both in Christianity. The religion of progress. Its more like regressive. And whats shameful in all of these is that you are a married woman. What happened those women who are in your age bracket, divorced and willing to give it a try, again? Now the best that can happen is that they become somebody's girlfriend. Since they cant marry. Thats a sick notion by a sick religion.




[Quote]The Holy Spirit - the comforter and cousellor- reminds us of this and explains the teaching.[/QUote]Seyibrown, you must be thinking am a little boy that will not read what you are writing. If jesus said it and was not forgotten, how were the discipes reminded, since they never forgot in the first place? What you are reminded of, corrected in and taught to all things, are the things jesus never spoke about or the people forgot or they began to say the wrong thing. 40 days was just too soon for a correction, a ne teacher a new guidian.




[Quote]The person who comes and teaches that you should divorce one of your four wives before you marry another is definitely saying something entirely different from what Jesus said and he therefore can not be 'the comforter'.[/Quote]If jesus said what you said he said, the correction is absolutely in order, because that is a sure recipe for plenty prostitution and childless and marriageless group of people still in the productive state of their lives, who are single because of previous marriages. This argument of yours dies of its own lack luster merit. If this is a forgiving religion, it lacks mercy in every aspect of it.

This is the 25th day of October 2010. How can a fellow human refer to mohamed and link him with the word comforter in the Bible?

@Seyibrown; If you thought post #12 is deserving of any discussion, since i thought the poster used his elbow (macarroni), instead of the brain, you should copy it, so that we can ash it out. this is your call. you are the one who things it comes with wisdom. when you show the importance of it by bringing it to the discussion table, you will see me, InshaAllah beating it to what it is; nothing. afterall, i ignored it here.

@Seyibrown: If 11 is 12 in your mind, I can see why you take 3 to be 1.

Look, again. You even copied it, just above to show me what you wanted me to copy. It is #11. If you have said #11, I will not be talking about #12 posted by Image123.

Seyi, you shouldnt be very lazy. you should just as well copied it, and import it to the thread in question. i will even do that, now, so that you may see the differences between a true believer in One God, and a pseudo/pretender, whereas she is a plain idol worshiper, because there is no reason for God to be more than One or look similar to us, so much so that a mere township can seize him and slaughter him like a common thief.

@Seyibrown: « #18 on: Today at 01:02:49 PM »
[Quote]Post # 11 is already on our thread. I copied it from our thread to this thread. You answered post #11 with post #12 and I asked you to copy the answer to our 'Seyi and nopuqeater' thread to save you having to answer twice. I also did not want to divert your thread but to provide bible scriptures that show your disprove your false doctrine of 'Mohammed, the another comforter'[/Quote]I have no "doctrine" In the Quran there are many verses that tell us that among prophets and messengers of God, there were Jesus and Muhammad (AS), among the many human messengers sent. One of the verses stated to all messengers and rophets that if the "Rasul of God" arrives in the time any is on earth, and he learnt about the presence of the Rasul, he must go to him and offer help and aid in the mission of the Rasul." They all took an oath to that effect. This was still in heaven, in the spiritual realm. You remembered that I said I was in heaven and existed before Noah, hence before Ibrahim was born, just like jesus?

That will tell you that I was not lying, and neither was jesus. You can read Surah Imran to find this out about all the Messengers and Prophets. Further in Surah Saffa, verse 6, Jesus told us about his mission; Preservation of Musa's Torah and the speaking about of the coming "Rasul", whose name is "Ahmad". If you say that John heralded the coming of Jesus, same Jesus heralded the coming of Muhammad (AS). The Bible says he is Another Comforter, speaking, hearing from God and repeating it, exactly. Correcting, directing and leading to all truth. Jesus to his people corrected them to the Torah, reminding them to it, leading them all to it. But after jesus left, it took almost 600 years, and the deviation was already established, before the Big Daddy of all who corrected came, Muhammad (AS).



[Quote]that you have been spreading all over Nairaland. Jesus clearly stated who the 'comforter' was. It is the Holy Spirit.[/Quote]NL is just a forum. My audience is the whole world. And I am not alone in this. NL is not the only forum for this. The whole world is.Looking at what the Comforter must do, how did the Holy Spirit qualified? Just one thing, at the appropriate time will be enough. The Another Comforter, not just Comforter must be like the other former comforters or former Comforter. His venue was specific, according to the Bible; Talking to the Disciples who were the companions of Jesus, if both conditions were to be believed. He was to hear from God and simply repeat it to people. Lets ask the Question of the Holy Spirit is not God from Trinity? How can One True God be commanding another One True God? Maybe the Ghost is not God in this case, which kills trinity. But how will ghost talk to human beings, since what he hears he will speak out? SO what did he say to the disciples, as God told him?

He will now teach what Jesus didnt teach. What did the Ghost teach the disciples?
He will correct them. What is it that the Ghost Corrected on and why?
He will glorify Jesus. What was it and how did he glorify Jesus, considering that he himself is a God?
He will lead them to all things. Which thing did he lead them from to all things? How did he tell you to prepare a dead body for burial?



[Quote]Given that Mohammed's life and teachings are far from holy,[/Quote]I call him holy prophet Muhammad (AS). Many Nigerian men, including many you know in Christendom, if left with a naked woman in the bedroom, without anyone to calibrate his piousness, he will mount her right away. I would have jump at such an opportunity myself, except that Islam of Muhammad told me its evil, it filth. If Muhammad was not holy, this Nigerian man would have done more than the window cleaner movie's Timmy Lee in the Confession of the window cleaner. Its a british movie and you should check my reference, since you live in England.



[Quote] he is not the comforter.[/Quote]Who heard God and repeated ONLY what he heard, and not adding his own thoughts? Tell me this person and show me how you know, why you said he is and where is the book of records of what he heard? Lead me, Olwaseyibrown.



[Quote]He did not preached something other than Jesus preached.[/Quote]He preached all the truth that Jesus preached. He corrected all the lies that you said Jesus preached. He preached more things that are not in the Bible. He taught all, including simple thing as how to cough without being uncivil, uncouth in the company of people. What did the Ghost teach the disciples as they passed it on to you about dressing yourself?



[Quote] holy person indulges in sin assemblies[/Quote]How about Solomon the wise?



[Quote]pedophilia[/Quote]Do pedophile marry their victims? Are the wives of pedophiles their victims? Do pedophiles stop at just One? Seyi, when you accuse, bring up your proof. If not, you are not honest about your statement.



[Quote] or encourages men who cause a young girl to have VVF[/Quote]If this is the case, every muslim will be doing it. No? And a woman who is not married to me is safe from my sexual energy. I hope all christian men can say the same. here in America, rapes of almost every ages occur. Who are the rapes for the most part? Christian men.



[Quote] not to count her as one of their 4 wives.[/Quote]No every muslim man marries 4 wives. I am not married to 4 wives. This simply destoys your notion.



[Quote] The comforter who abides with us still is God's Spirit - The Holy Spirit.[/Quote]You are not a disciple. And at best you have to show me a record from them what the Hoy Spirit told them before you can benefit from it. Further, how can one God send another as errand entity? Jesus said he was a servant sent, hence the another comforter must be servant sent. Please disproof.

nopuqeater, I will be continuing our discussion on our 'thread' shortly! Thanks.

^^^^^^you mean Sweetnecta. I shall be waiting for your return. take all the time you need. After all the family needs all the manifestations that is you; each one represents each name you have.

Multiple personality, you aint.