Al Raheem:

i am the sameone who use to deliver ime(rams) thighs or cow meat to our christian neighbor ad churches. CCC

O la la! O for the good old days of enjoying salah meat with alhaji the land lord!

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Al Raheem:

Who is the Aje, who brn u? because you are an embarassment to her. if she is not like u. I hope Seun, denies your change of user name, when you are ready to change it-due to your misconducts. You are nothing like a human being. A real akata!!!

Okay, now we can understand Islam even more.

Lol, who has the emergency number for Yaba psycho ward? We sure need it 'cause Raheem has been foaming at the lips muttering gibberish at his computer screen. . .

gbade. x! gbadeee. x!!

How many times I call you so??

No make me call you the third time for making me laugh so loud!!

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@ Gbade.x
You don kolomental

well good day fellow members , i am just joining this honorable forum which i believe consist of well meaning Nigerians who believe that they can make positive changes for Th country to forge ahead .
actually the issue of facing the east which is simply facing the Kaaba in Makka was an instruction from Allah

Qu'ran [2:144] We have seen you turning your face about the sky (searching for the right direction). We now assign a Qiblah that is pleasing to you. Henceforth, you shall turn your face towards the Sacred Masjid. Wherever you may be, all of you shall turn your faces towards it. Those who received the previous scripture know that this is the truth from their Lord. GOD is never unaware of anything they do.


we Muslims were told from the holy book to face the Qibla in solat. this can also be seen from clips shown on TV during Ramadan of pilgrims performing their solat. they all form circles round the ka'aba, facing it. so no matter ur geographic location, u are expected to face the direction of the qibla which is also where the sun rises from.

from our knowledge of geography, no matter where u are, the sun always rises from the east and sets in the west. what about that?

segestar:

from our knowledge of geography, no matter where u are, the sun always rises from the east and sets in the west. what about that?

Please this parade of pseudo-intellect, trying to force science to fit the quran, is no longer effective. The sun "rises" from the east and "sets" in the west BECAUSE the sun doesnt move! the earth revovlves around the sun that is why the sun will always "rise" in the east.

Unless you can prove that the earth revolves around the qiblah pls do not come here to expose your lack of intelligence.

yeah man, the sun is stagnant while the earth revolves round it but the point is we always observe sunrise from the east. we muslims do not rely on the compass but we use the position and direction of the sun to determine the direction of the qibla and our solat times.

segestar:

yeah man, the sun is stagnant while the earth revolves round it but the point is we always observe sunrise from the east. we muslims do not rely on the compass but we use the position and direction of the sun to determine the direction of the qibla and our solat times.

you're excuses are merely sinking u deeper. True the sun "rises" from the east everywhere u are on the surface of the earth but is the direction of the qiblah east for worshippers in Nigeria and Finland?

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@Nossy cheek do not start, this time if you do,  i wont stop!

Hmmm, no shaking or did you by mistake hear that I for one am chicken hearted?

@taofeekcom,

taofeekcom:

actually the issue of facing the east which is simply facing the Kaaba in Makka was an instruction from Allah

I appreciate your succinct post on the topic of this thread; but even so, you would be wrong to infer that facing the east is simply facing the Kaa'ba.

Not everyone who faces the direction of the sunrise is actually facing the direction of the Kaa'ba! For those on the Western Hemisphere, it may be alright to say they're facing the qiblah. However, for those on the Eastern hemisphere, facing the same east would mean that they're trying to face the direction of the sun but with their backs turned on the Kaa'ba.

What direction would people in Oman and  India be facing if they were turned towards the sunrise direction? Would they not have their backs turned on the Kaa'ba? Check the maps and see for yourself.


@segestar,

segestar:

from our knowledge of geography, no matter where u are, the sun always rises from the east and sets in the west. what about that?

That still does not mean that everyone facing the east is actually facing the Kaa'ba. The only way that could happen is if the Kaa'ba was located in the sun itself!


Meanwhile, while this is an interesting thread and topic with insights from many (Telly B's maps na wah!); has any Muslim made a serious effort to tell us what actually is the significance of the Kaa'ba and the black stone? If the face of 'Allah' is everywhere one turns, what difference does it make if one does not face the direction of the kaa'ba in prayer??

Dasuma:

WHEN IT COMES TO THE ISSUE OF RELIGION, A LOT OF PPL WOULD NEVER UNDERSTAND A LOT OF THINGS. IT'S SIMPLE, U SEE WAT U WANT 2 SEE, HEAR WAT U WANT 2 HEAR & UNDERSTAND WAT U CHOOSE 2 UNDERSTAND OR ELSE HOW CAN 1 EVER & EVER BELIEVE DAT SOMEONE DIE 4 HIS SIN & B/C OF DAT CLEANSE U OF THE SIN U HAVE COMMIT, YET 2 COMMIT & MIGHT NEVER COMMIT BUT YET FAIL 2 UNDERSTAND A SIMPLE COMMAND FROM GOD. IT'S OBVIOUS "THEY HAVE EYES BUT THEY CANNOT C WITH IT, THEY HAVE EARS BUT CANNOT HEAR WITH IT".

back to plagiarising biblical quotes are we?

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davidylan:

Please this parade of pseudo-intellect, trying to force science to fit the quran, is no longer effective. The sun "rises" from the east and "sets" in the west BECAUSE the sun doesnt move! the earth revovlves around the sun that is why the sun will always "rise" in the east.

Unless you can prove that the earth revolves around the qiblah please do not come here to expose your lack of intelligence.

smart-ass, i see you took up my post on Joshua's "sun stood still" miracle to continue with your day job.
maybe you should try explaining to us how the sun stood still in the bible instead?

talking about "pseudo-intellect" *hisses*

If the face of 'Allah' is everywhere one turns, what difference does it make if one does not face the direction of the kaa'ba in prayer??

I'm not muslim but I think it's a sign of respect unto Allah. If he commands that they face a certain direction, why not do it that way even if you can perform the same prayer some other way.

It's just like praying. some christian denominations require that members go on their knees while praying and some let you stand. kneeling is more like a sign of respect to humble yourself before God.
same goes with covering your head with a scarf while praying for females. most christian females do this but my question is: what difference does it make?

there are some parts of religion that are just basic procedures. something you do that makes the religion unique. i don't see nothing wrong with it.

several Muslims have answered this question already and if their answers haven't satisfied anyone yet, then I'm sure there isn't any other answer that will satisfy you.




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my tone in this post is mean. yeah i know. that's cause i can't stand muslim bashers. they suffer from esteem issues.

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what's up, Al Raheem?

if the muslims here claimed it was a simple 'basic procedure' as you say here, probably the thread would not be this long

but there have been wild claims such as 'they are facing the Kaaba - center of the earth' and the 'sun rises in the east' and other such reasoning put up here. quite frankly I would prefer them even saying 'I don't know' than to try to justify the act with plain falsehood. I have nothing against the act in itself, but when an attempt is made to falsely butress a claim, then I object.

as to the sun standing still business, it is a 'miracle' i.e. cannot be explained by humans - a mystery, if the muslims here said as much, It probably wd've been acceptable as well.

the muslims know why they face east. I got their explanation. the whole facing the Kaa'ba wasn't all that difficult. lol


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oops for some reason i thought it was david's post above mine. i was beginning to wonder why it wasn't a page long argument that circled around NOTHING -but hate, of course.

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@WesleyanA,

WesleyanA:

I'm not muslim but I think it's a sign of respect unto Allah. If he commands that they face a certain direction, why not do it that way even if you can perform the same prayer some other way.

There is more to that than you're assuming. My question is an open one seeking an understanding from Muslims themselves as to what difference it makes if on the other hand the same Allah says is no big deal WHERESOEVER they face in prayer. That is one issue that makes all the difference.

It is like being commanded to face the Kaa'ba on the one hand; and then stating in another ayah that it doesn't really matter which direction they face in prayer on the other hand. Do you get the gist now?

WesleyanA:

It's just like praying. some christian denominations require that members go on their knees while praying and some let you stand. kneeling is more like a sign of respect to humble yourself before God.
same goes with covering your head with a scarf while praying for females. most christian females do this but my question is: what difference does it make?

The difference between a denomination requiring kneeling and the scarf issue is a huge one. On the one hand, kneeling is NOT a commandment; on the other hand, the head covering is expalined in 1 Cor. 11:1-16. What a denomination requires her members to do and what God expressly states in the Bible are two different issues.

There are over 70 denominations in Islam. The issue of facing the Kaa'ba to pray is NOT a requirement stipulated by any denomination out of the over 70. In the same instance, one needs ask what difference it makes if the same Allah says it's no big deal whatever direction they face to pray!!

WesleyanA:

there are some parts of religion that are just basic procedures. something you do that makes the religion unique. i don't see nothing wrong with it.

I haven't complained about anything wrong with whatever direction they face. I'm seeking answers from Muslims themselves.

WesleyanA:

several Muslims have answered this question already and if their answers haven't satisfied anyone yet, then I'm sure there isn't any other answer that will satisfy you.

I patiently went through the thread. If answers have been offered for the convoluted commandment, there would be no need for me to have asked. Answers have not been offered for the question I asked. And if they have no answers to that question, I can understand why you feel there are answers; and yet only reactions from Muslims calling others "ignorant fools" seem to have played around the question.

WesleyanA:

my tone in this post is mean. yeah i know. that's cause i can't stand muslim bashers. they suffer from esteem issues.

Sad. If asking questions can be interpreted as bashing Muslims, I'll do it all the more! When Muslims ask questions, Christians do not duck under this otiose idea that it is Christian bashing. The games Muslims continue to play on the Forum is testimonial to the very fact of their own esteem issues!

@debosky,

debosky:

if the muslims here claimed it was a simple 'basic procedure' as you say here, probably the thread would not be this long

but there have been wild claims such as 'they are facing the Kaaba - center of the earth' and the 'sun rises in the east' and other such reasoning put up here. quite frankly I would prefer them even saying 'I don't know' than to try to justify the act with plain falsehood. I have nothing against the act in itself, but when an attempt is made to falsely butress a claim, then I object.

Precisely. I really wish people would see that, and not misconstrue those wild claims as plaster for the idea that "several Muslims have answered this question"!!

@stimulus,

stimulus:

That still does not mean that everyone facing the east is actually facing the Kaa'ba. The only way that could happen is if the Kaa'ba was located in the sun itself!

I just love that summation; and I hope that our Muslim friends will now understand why "facing EAST" does not automatically mean the same as facing the Kaa'ba from every location on the globe.

Strangely enough, when one takes a look at the world map, some would suppose that those in Alaska would either have to face eastward or westward. But guess what? Muslims in Alaska have to face the NORTH to locate the Kaa'ba - because that is what the qiblah detector leads them to believe!

This is not too difficult to understand when one looks at the orientation of the geoid. The qiblah detector does not work like a compass, and so does not indicate geographic positions. Rather, it points just towards the location of the Kaa'ba in Mecca; and that is how Muslims in Alaska have to face northward in terms of their location to the Kaa'ba.

Meanwhile, I'm still looking out for answers to the significance of facing the Kaa'ba in Mecca; and as stimulus has observed, it is more than simply a matter of being commanded to face the east!

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@Al Raheem,

If asking indepth questions are typically interpreted as insulting Islam, then Muslims should stop asking any questions at all!! At least, I am aware that the Qur'an forbids Muslims asking questions anyway; so it's not surprising that most Muslims continue to offer vexations instead of answers whenever questions are raised.

Muslims are the ones telling us that every Muslims faces east; that Mecca is the center of the earth; that there are two easts and two wests in the Qur'an; that Muslims are forbidden from either facing the Kaa'ba or backing it when answering nature's call, etc., etc.,. . .

HOW does it become an insult for one to asks questions challenging what is NOT true??

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Hi @Al Raheem,

Al Raheem:

Tel B good mornin, somewher on this Thread I have answered what hell means.

That's great to know. The point is, I don't remember asking the question about hell here.

Al Raheem:

We ask questions only to learn?  We all do!!

That's true.

Al Raheem:

But the way u guy do it is too extreme. Yours come with insults

I apologise. But could you please make reference to particular cases? Then maybe I could also do the same about yours. Thanks.  

Al Raheem:

the quran didn't tell me. But on my own 3mos aga i found out two east two north too south exist

|Can you please share more on them.