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Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by Teeboy108: 5:57pm On Sep 08, 2019
AgentNairaland:


The point is that why does Allah failed to referred Prophet Muhammad as your MESSIAH from the whole Quran??

I have read through Quran from Front cover to back cover NO where Muhammad was called as your MESSIAH... Another Shame Quran gave to Muhammad is that his name appeared Just FOUR times compared to the name of Jesus that appeared in 24 Times...

If truly All the texts in Quran are Allah's words why did he failed to recognize Muhammad more than Jesus Son of Mary rather than Allah calling Jesus as your SAVIOUR (MESSIAH) neglecting Muhammad pbuh


This is to show you the real truth/proof from the Quran that Jesus is God, the MESSIAH.. Mind you, Quran even said Jesus was sent to world at large not Muhammad that only passed through Mecca and Medinat all in Saudi Arabia

Don't let one Alfa, Sheikh or Imam deceive you, get your facts and face the truth.. If a whole Prophet Muhammad pbuh was poisoned, don't you think something is wrong with him (Late prophet Muhammad) pbuh somewhere??

I actually don't have your time because I was initially trying to read good beneficial stuffs here before I stumbled on your ridiculous lies here.I hesitate at first to reply as I know it is literally a wasting of time dealing with ignorants and liars like you from the people of paul.However,to try to give some clarifications, I will shortly refute some of your ridiculous claims in my subsequent posts.
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AgentNairaland(f): 6:06pm On Sep 08, 2019
Teeboy108:
I actually don't have your time because I was initially trying to read good beneficial stuffs here before I stumbled on your ridiculous lies here.I hesitate at first to reply as I know it is literally a wasting of time dealing with ignorants and liars like you from the people of paul.However,to try to give some clarifications, I will shortly refute some of your ridiculous claims in my subsequent posts.

Sorry which ONE is LIE that I shown you?? Or are you telling me that Quran and Hadith are lying in the following :-

When the angels said: “O
Mary! Allah gives you the good
news of a Word from Him, whose
name is the Messiah, Jesus son of
Mary, who is illustrious in this
world and the hereafter, and who
is one of those brought near [to
Allah]. (3.45)


Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison."

Sahih Bukhari 5:59:713



[Quran 2:125] We have rendered the shrine (the Kaba) a focal
point for the people, and a safe sanctuary. You may use
Abraham's shrine as a prayer house. We commissioned
Abraham and Ismail: "You shall purify My house for those who
visit, those who live there, and those who bow and prostrate."



And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that
which We reveal unto thee , then question those who
read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the
Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. Surah Yunus [10:94]


Please point out the one that I lied and you'll tell if I am the author of Quran and hadith respectively
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by Teeboy108: 6:45pm On Sep 08, 2019
AgentNairaland:


Sorry which ONE is LIE that I shown you?? Or are you telling me that Quran and Hadith are lying in the following :-

When the angels said: “O
Mary! Allah gives you the good
news of a Word from Him, whose
name is the Messiah, Jesus son of
Mary, who is illustrious in this
world and the hereafter, and who
is one of those brought near [to
Allah]. (3.45)


Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison."

Sahih Bukhari 5:59:713



[Quran 2:125] We have rendered the shrine (the Kaba) a focal
point for the people, and a safe sanctuary. You may use
Abraham's shrine as a prayer house. We commissioned
Abraham and Ismail: "You shall purify My house for those who
visit, those who live there, and those who bow and prostrate."



And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that
which We reveal unto thee , then question those who
read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the
Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. Surah Yunus [10:94]


Please point out the one that I lied and you'll tell if I am the author of Quran and hadith respectively
(1) Your impression and claim(in ur prev.post) that "it was a shame that Muhammad was mentioned 4 times" as opposed to Jesus mentioned 25 times as a proof of Jesus divinity and superiority over Muhammad(S.a.w) is a blatant lie.Arch enemies of Allah, Satan and Pharaoh was mentioned more than 25 times in the Noble Qur'aan.Does that proof their superiority over jesus? You can see that only dumb people who are ignorant and desperate will make this outragesous claim to prove their nonsense claims.That is so laughable
(2) Your claim that Jesus was refer to as the Messiah which proved his divinity is also a big lie.Yes Eesa was referred to as the Messiah.The Arabic word used is Al-masih which refer to as the "the chosen one" .So the Qur'aan refer him as the chosen one because he was chosen among his people as "a prophet" to guide the people of Israel.So where do we have that impression or even the claim of his divinity from the use of this word?? Moreover, the Qur'aan clearly states that “He [‘Eesa (Jesus)] said: ‘Verily, I am a
slave of Allaah, He has given me the
Scripture and made me a Prophet’”
[Maryam 19:30].
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AgentNairaland(f): 6:48pm On Sep 08, 2019
Teeboy108:
(1) Your impression and claim(in ur prev.post) that "it was a shame that Muhammad was mentioned 4 times" as opposed to Jesus mentioned 25 times as a proof of Jesus divinity and superiority over Muhammad(S.a.w) is a blatant lie.Arch enemies of Allah, Satan and Pharaoh was mentioned more than 25 times in the Noble Qur'aan.Does that proof their superiority over jesus? You can see that only dumb people who are ignorant and desperate will make this outragesous claim to prove their nonsense claims.That is so laughable
(2) Your claim that Jesus was refer to as the Messiah which proved his divinity is also a big lie.Yes Eesa was referred to as the Messiah.The Arabic word used is Al-masih which refer to as the "the chosen one" .So the Qur'aan refer him as the chosen one because he was chosen among his people as "a prophet" to guide the people of Israel.So where do we have that impression or even the claim of his divinity from the use of this word?? Moreover, the Qur'aan clearly states that “He [‘Eesa (Jesus)] said: ‘Verily, I am a
slave of Allaah,[s] He has given me the
Scripture and made me a Prophet’”
[Maryam 19:30].
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1. You haven't answer the question, WHY DOES Allah fails to call or refer Muhammad as MESSIAH??

2. Which Scripture again Allah gave to Eesa? Hope Not Quran cheesy
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by Teeboy108: 6:59pm On Sep 08, 2019
3) Your foolish claim that the Qur'aan says Jesus was sent to the world at large while Muhammad was only sent to the cities of Makkah and Madinah.
This statement only proved:
1)You are a big liar as this is contrary to what is in the Noble Qur'aan
2)It is either you were lying when you claimed you read the whole Qur'aan or that you actually read it without understanding.

So I ask, where is your proof of your ridiculous claim above because I have obvious proofs here to nail you down!!!
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by k4kenny(f): 7:30pm On Sep 08, 2019
AgentNairaland:


1. You said JEWS like Museums... Do you remember how Muhammad beheaded over 600 Jews And Christians living in Mecca, Tell me how come Jews will like Muslims..

Let me tell another thing you don't know...

Prophet Muhammad PBUH was poisoned by A Jewish lady called Safiyat

This is the HADETH

Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison."

Sahih Bukhari 5:59:713

2. You said Jesus Christ is NOT God, Even the Glorious Quran call Him As MESSIAH... Hope you knw that Only GOD is the MESSIAH

When the angels said: “O
Mary! Allah gives you the good
news of a Word from Him, whose
name is the Messiah, Jesus son of
Mary, who is illustrious in this
world and the hereafter, and who
is one of those brought near [to
Allah]. (3.45)

In Conclusion, Bro don't be confused, all what I shown you here are in glorious quran and hadith resp


Where do I even start from.... The Prophet(SAW) beheaded 600 Jews in Mecca? How Mecca was inhabited by pagans, no Jews in the region. Any report of the Prophet(saw) beheading any Jew or christian is a pure lie. The lived together peacefully in Madinah after the migration. It's worthy of note though that some Jews attempted to kill the Prophet, so they were sentenced to death. No, they were not up to 600 o.

Prophet Muhammad didn't die from the poisoned meat at khaybar. He lived on for about four years after the incident, even married 3 wives, conquered Mecca from the pagans and went for Hajj all during the period grin.

The name of the of Jewish lady that gave him the poisoned meat was not Safiyah, That was the name of one of his wives. Where do you people get these lies from . Since the Jews and christians in Madinah lived together with the Muslim immigrants, it was common for the hosts to give gifts to their guests. The Prophet gladly accepted her gift and ate the meat but he didn't die from the poison. He died of natural causes.

Take a dictionary and check the meaning of 'Messiah'. It doesn't mean God, rather it means anointed One destined the Children of Israel. The stories of Jesus in the Qur'an can be found in Surahs 3, 5 and 17.

In conclusion, check the gender beside my profile, 'tani bro e' grin

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Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by Teeboy108: 7:35pm On Sep 08, 2019
AgentNairaland:
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1. You haven't answer the question, WHY DOES Allah fails to call or refer Muhammad as MESSIAH??

2. Which Scripture again Allah gave to Eesa? Hope Not Quran cheesy
Lol.
(1)The fact that Allah referred Jesus as Al-Maseeh "the chosen one" to lead his people as a prophet does not mean that He is compelled to give such title to Muhammad.So your claim that "WHY DOES Allah fails to call or refer Muhammad as MESSIAH??" is BASELESS.
(2)You should know the scripture since you claim you read the whole Qur'aan.lol...The scripture given to Jesus was injeel(the gospel).This is a further proof that Jesus, just like Muhammad is a prophet and Messenger of God who was given the revelation to guide "ONLY" the "lost sheep of Israel". That reminds me of why one should pity Christians as Jesus was not sent to them but "only the lost sheep of israel" as claimed in the corrupted bible.
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by Teeboy108: 7:42pm On Sep 08, 2019
k4kenny:



Where do I even start from.... The Prophet(SAW) beheaded 600 Jews in Mecca? How Mecca was inhabited by pagans, no Jews in the region. Any report of the Prophet(saw) beheading any Jew or christian is a pure lie. The lived together peacefully in Madinah after the migration. It's worthy of note though that some Jews attempted to kill the Prophet, so they were sentenced to death. No, they were not up to 600 o.

Prophet Muhammad didn't die from the poisoned meat at khaybar. He lived on for about four years after the incident, even married 3 wives, conquered Mecca from the pagans and went for Hajj all during the period grin.

The name of the of Jewish lady that gave him the poisoned meat was not Safiyah, That was the name of one of his wives. Where do you people get these lies from . Since the Jews and christians in Madinah lived together with the Muslim immigrants, it was common for the hosts to give gifts to their guests. The Prophet gladly accepted her gift and ate the meat but he didn't die from the poison. He died of natural causes.

Take a dictionary and check the meaning of 'Messiah'. It doesn't mean God, rather it means anointed One destined the Children of Israel. The stories of Jesus in the Qur'an can be found in Surahs 3, 5 and 17.

In conclusion, check the gender beside my profile, 'tani bro e' grin

I think he has been brainwashed in his church to think MESSIAH is a title that can only belong to God, hence is claim that Jesus is divine from the Qur'anic point of view.
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by Teeboy108: 7:47pm On Sep 08, 2019
In case you need this “He [‘Eesa (Jesus)] said: ‘Verily, I am a slave of Allaah, He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet’” [Maryam 19:30] “The Messiah ['Eesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary), was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother [Maryam (Mary)] was a Siddeeqah [i.e. she believed in the words of Allah and His Books]. They both used to eat food (as any other human being, while Allah does not eat). Look how We make the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to them, yet look how they are deluded away (from the truth)” [al-Maa’idah 5:75]. ‘Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allah) did command me to say: “Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.” And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a Witness to all things’” [al-Maa’idah 5:116-117].
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AgentNairaland(f): 9:12pm On Sep 08, 2019
Teeboy108:
Lol.
(1)The fact that Allah referred Jesus as Al-Maseeh "the chosen one" to lead his people as a prophet does not mean that He is compelled to give such title to Muhammad.So your claim that "WHY DOES Allah fails to call or refer Muhammad as MESSIAH??" is BASELESS.
(2)You should know the scripture since you claim you read the whole Qur'aan.lol...The scripture given to Jesus was injeel(the gospel).This is a further proof that Jesus, just like Muhammad is a prophet and Messenger of God who was given the revelation to guide "ONLY" the "lost sheep of Israel". That reminds me of why one should pity Christians as Jesus was not sent to them but "only the lost sheep of israel" as claimed in the corrupted bible.

1. So Allah didn't choose Muhammad right, No wonder he was WARLORD, Jihadist And Disobedient prophet.. Allah commanded Maximum of Four wives Muhammad on his own married over ten wives... That's the caused he was NOT chosen

2. You said Allah gave Jesus the Gospel, bla bla bla.. But Jesus Christ never in a second recognize Allah in the same gospel acclaimed... Or Allah is Elohim or Jehovah? Mind You, No one can say he or she heard directly from Allah including Muhammad.. In fact using He, His And Him for Allah is wrong shey you know

3. John 3:16 says For God so loved the WORLD, that he gave his only
begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should
not perish, but have eternal life... This is to tell you that Jesus Christ was sent not for Israelite but to the whole WORLD

Even Quran testifies to this.. When the angels said: “O
Mary! Allah gives you the good
news of a Word from Him, whose
name is the Messiah, Jesus son of
Mary, who is illustrious in this
world
and the hereafter, and who
is one of those brought near [to
Allah]. (3.45)... I believe you see the statement Illustrious in this world...

3. You should pity yourself as SLAVE of allah and Muslims.. This is because Muhammad your prophet said HE'S NOT SOMETHING ORIGINAL.. Sebi you go school.. Opposite of Original is FAKE grin

Quran 49:6 Sahih International : Say, "I am not something
original among the messengers, nor do I know
what will be done with me or with you. I only
follow that which is revealed to me, and I am not
but a clear warner."

He went further by saying he didn't know what will be done to him after death.. See the man you're following

So therefore, PITY yourself because your prophet didn't promised you life after death rather 72 virgins each in the sxx garden of Jannah...MASS ALARM
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AgentNairaland(f): 9:30pm On Sep 08, 2019
k4kenny:



Where do I even start from.... The Prophet(SAW) beheaded 600 Jews in Mecca? How Mecca was inhabited by pagans, no Jews in the region. Any report of the Prophet(saw) beheading any Jew or christian is a pure lie. The lived together peacefully in Madinah after the migration. It's worthy of note though that some Jews attempted to kill the Prophet, so they were sentenced to death. No, they were not up to 600 o.

Prophet Muhammad didn't die from the poisoned meat at khaybar. He lived on for about four years after the incident, even married 3 wives, conquered Mecca from the pagans and went for Hajj all during the period grin.

The name of the of Jewish lady that gave him the poisoned meat was not Safiyah, That was the name of one of his wives. Where do you people get these lies from . Since the Jews and christians in Madinah lived together with the Muslim immigrants, it was common for the hosts to give gifts to their guests. The Prophet gladly accepted her gift and ate the meat but he didn't die from the poison. He died of natural causes.

Take a dictionary and check the meaning of 'Messiah'. It doesn't mean God, rather it means anointed One destined the Children of Israel. The stories of Jesus in the Qur'an can be found in Surahs 3, 5 and 17.

In conclusion, check the gender beside my profile, 'tani bro e' grin


In Hijra year 5 (627 AD), on the orders of the Islamic
Prophet Muhammad , almost nine hundred Jews of a
Medinan tribe named Banu Qurayza were massacred by
Muslims. The killing began early in the day, ending in
torchlight. Those who escaped death were taken captive
and sold at slave markets.

The Qur'an refers to this incident in Surah

And He brought those of the People of the Scripture who
supported them down from their strongholds, and cast
panic into their hearts. Some ye slew and ye made captive
some. And He caused you to inherit their land and their
houses and their wealth, and land ye have not trodden.
Allah is Able to do all things
Quran 33:26-27

This is hadith that narrated how your prophet was poisoned and died from the same poison..

Narrated Anas bin Malik: A Jewess brought a poisoned
(cooked) sheep for the Prophet who ate from it. She was
brought to the Prophet and he was asked, "Shall we kill
her?" He said, "No." I continued to see the effect of the
poison on the palate of the mouth of Allah's Apostle .
Sahih Bukhari 3:47:786

Narrated 'Aisha and Ibn 'Abbas: On his death-bed Allah's
Apostle put a sheet over his-face and when he felt hot, he
would remove it from his face. When in that state (of
putting and removing the sheet) he said, " May Allah's Curse
be on the Jews and the Christians for they build places of
worship at the graves of their prophets." (By that) he
intended to warn (the Muslim) from what they (i.e. Jews
and Christians) had done.
Sahih Bukhari 4:56:660


Sahih Muslim

Anas reported that a Jewess came to Allah's Messenger
(may peace be upon him) with poisoned mutton and he
took of that what had been brought to him (Allah's
Messenger). (When the effect of this poison were felt by
him ) he called for her and asked her about that, whereupon
she said: I had determined to kill you. Thereupon he said:
Allah will never give you the power to do it. He (the
narrator) said that they (the Companion's of the Holy
Prophet) said: Should we not kill her? Thereupon he said:
No. He (Anas) said: I felt (the affects of this poison) on the
uvula of Allah's Messenger.
Sahih Muslim 26:5430

The problem with you slaves of Allah is that you like to cover up the atrocities of this man called prophet Muhammad

This is the meaning of MESSIAH

messiah
/mɪˈsʌɪə/
noun

A leader regarded as the saviour of a
particular country, group, or cause.

PLEASE WHO ANOINTED MUHAMMAD AS PROPHET?? IF IT WAS ALLAH, I NEED QURAN REFERENCE
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by Teeboy108: 10:16pm On Sep 08, 2019
Lol..Sincerely, I can see that its wastage of time debating ignorant infidels like you for the following reasons:
1)Why did u came to this group in the first place meant for Islamic discussion.I'm not sure you have a good intention.lol
2)I can only debate with people that are open minded and willing to learn from their stupidity.Not dumb people who are so stubborn to embrace the truth
3)You seem to distort every fundamentals and teachings of Islam while you care less to talk about your filthy corrupted bible full of ample errors,mistakes and even written porn as contained in the songs of solomon(lol).

So,really you don't worth spending much time with because I have dealt with ignorant, narrow-minded people like you in the past, but always prove to waste people's time despite the effort to guide you from the deluded path of destruction!

But thank God you are a Nigerian.The best advice I will leave behind for you is to attend ACADIP PROGRAMME(you can google about them on the internet), and try and attend one of their programmes.You can then lay your silly questions to them and see how they burst your brain with refutations,lol,and how Christianity will be put to shame!!!
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AbuTwins: 8:23am On Sep 09, 2019
true2god:
Let me not dwell much on this, it is very clear that it was not Allah that spoke in surah alfathiha. You can do your intellectual gymnastics to explain it away, the fact still remains that alfathia below is not the word of any God but a man praying to his God.

(1) In the name of Allah, the Entirely Merciful, the Bestower of Mercy

(2) Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds[mankind, jinn and all that exist]

(3) The Entirely Merciful, the Bestower of Mercy

(4) Master of the Day of Judgment

(5) Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek

(6) Show us the straight path (Islam)

(7) The path of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace (Muslims), those whose (portion) is not wrath (the Jews), and who go not astray (the Christians).

Since you are not sincere, I need an objective mind to tell me who is talking in the surah above. If for the benefit of the doubt, I remotely agreed that it was Allah speaking in surah alfathiha, it is like me writing a letter to myself and it makes no sense.

OK. That's your own delusion.

1 Billion keep reciting it over 17times daily and has memorised it. The seven oft-repeated verses. I think you are jealous. This is unlike the lord's prayer or Psalm 23 that is going extinct.
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AbuTwins: 8:24am On Sep 09, 2019
AgentNairaland:


I'm going to Saudi Arabia to study Arabic... But you mentioned Royal "WE" earlier

Just trying to let you see reason! English Grammar is not totally the same as the Arabic Grammar.
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AgentNairaland(f): 8:34am On Sep 09, 2019
AbuTwins:


Just trying to let you see reason! English Grammar is not totally the same as the Arabic Grammar.

Arabic Grammar Is Royal "We" "Us" And "We" .. The Question Is Tell Me The Royal Family Allah Belongs To
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AbuTwins: 8:37am On Sep 09, 2019
AgentNairaland:


Arabic Grammar Is Royal "We" "Us" And "We" .. The Question Is Tell Me The Royal Family Allah Belongs To


Can you show me where i mentioned "Royal we" as regards Allah?
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by true2god: 8:39am On Sep 09, 2019
AbuTwins:


OK. That's your own delusion.

1 Billion keep reciting it over 17times daily and has memorised it. The seven oft-repeated verses. I think you are jealous. This is unlike the lord's prayer or Psalm 23 that is going extinct.
The number of people reciting it does not mean nothing because over 80% of humanity never recited it and nothing have changed. My contention here is that it was not allah that spoke in surah alfathiha, while muslim claimed that the quran contains 100% the words of allah. How can allah be praying, praising and begging allah in the same quran (quran 1:1-7)? Bro, it makes no sense to over 80% of humanity that never accepted Islam but your delusions will sure make sense to you.
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AgentNairaland(f): 8:45am On Sep 09, 2019
AbuTwins:



Can you show me where i mentioned "Royal we" as regards Allah?

If nothing like royal we according to your own ideology, why is Allah using "We" "Us" "Our" Allah even said there are TWO EASTS AND WESTS.. Sura 55:17

Allah na Emeritus professor of Geography
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AbuTwins: 9:03am On Sep 09, 2019
AgentNairaland:


If nothing like royal we according to your own ideology, why is Allah using "We" "Us" "Our" Allah even said there are TWO EASTS AND WESTS.. Sura 55:17

Allah na Emeritus professor of Geography

For the last time i will say this.

It is a feature of literary style in Arabic that a person may refer to himself by the pronoun nahnu (we) for respect or glorification. He may also use the word ana (I), indicating one person, or the third person huwa (he). All three styles are used in the Qur’an, where Allaah addresses the Arabs in their own tongue.
(Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 4/143).


And
“Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, sometimes refers to Himself in the singular, by name or by use of a pronoun, and sometimes by use of the plural, as in the phrase (interpretation of the meaning): ‘Verily, We have given you a manifest victory” [al-Fath 48:1], and other similar phrases. But Allaah never refers to Himself by use of the dual, because the plural refers to the respect that He deserves, and may refer to His names and attributes, whereas the dual refers to a specific number (and nothing else), and He is far above that.”
(Al-‘Aqeedah al-Tadmuriyyah by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah, p. 75).

These words, innaa (“Verily We”) and nahnu (“We”), and other forms of the plural, may be used by one person speaking on behalf of a group, or they may be used by one person for purposes of respect or glorification, as is done by some monarchs when they issue statements or decrees in which they say “We have decided…” etc. [This is known in English as “The Royal We” – Translator]. In such cases, only one person is speaking but the plural is used for respect. The One Who is more deserving of respect than any other is Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, so when He says in the Qur’an innaa (“Verily We”) and nahnu (“We”), it is for respect and glorification, not to indicate plurality of numbers. If an aayah of this type is causing confusion, it is essential to refer to the clear, unambiguous aayaat for clarification, and if a Christian, for example, insists on taking ayaat such as “Verily, We: it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e., the Qur’an)” [al-Hijr 15:9 – interpretation of the meaning] as proof of divine plurality, we may refute this claim by quoting such clear and unambiguous aayaat as (interpretation of the meanings): “And your god is One God, there is none who has the right to be worshipped but He, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful” [al-Baqarah 2:163] and “Say: He is Allaah, the One” [al-Ikhlaas 112:1] – and other aayaat which can only be interpreted in one way. Thus confusion will be dispelled for the one who is seeking the truth. Every time Allaah uses the plural to refer to Himself, it is based on the respect and honour that He deserves, and on the great number of His names and attributes, and on the great number of His troops and angels.”
(Reference: Al-‘Aqeedah al-Tadmuriyyah by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah, p. 109).
And Allaah knows best.


((He is) the Lord of the two easts and the Lord of the two wests.) meaning the sunrise of summer and winter and the sunset of summer and winter.
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AbuTwins: 9:18am On Sep 09, 2019
true2god:
The number of people reciting it does not mean nothing because over 80% of humanity never recited it and nothing have changed. My contention here is that it was not allah that spoke in surah alfathiha, while muslim claimed that the quran contains 100% the words of allah. How can allah be praying, praising and begging allah in the same quran (quran 1:1-7)? Bro, it makes no sense to over 80% of humanity that never accepted Islam but your delusions will sure make sense to you.

OK, Allah can not praise Himself, right?

Also He can't teach us how to praise Him.

Alright. Anything to hang the Qur'an...
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AgentNairaland(f): 2:16pm On Sep 09, 2019
AbuTwins:


For the last time i will say this.

It is a feature of literary style in Arabic that a person may refer to himself by the pronoun nahnu (we) for respect or glorification. He may also use the word ana (I), indicating one person, or the third person huwa (he). All three styles are used in the Qur’an, where Allaah addresses the Arabs in their own tongue.
(Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 4/143).


And
“Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, sometimes refers to Himself in the singular, by name or by use of a pronoun, and sometimes by use of the plural, as in the phrase (interpretation of the meaning): ‘Verily, We have given you a manifest victory” [al-Fath 48:1], and other similar phrases. But Allaah never refers to Himself by use of the dual, because the plural refers to the respect that He deserves, and may refer to His names and attributes, whereas the dual refers to a specific number (and nothing else), and He is far above that.”
(Al-‘Aqeedah al-Tadmuriyyah by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah, p. 75).

These words, innaa (“Verily We”) and nahnu (“We”), and other forms of the plural, may be used by one person speaking on behalf of a group, or they may be used by one person for purposes of respect or glorification, as is done by some monarchs when they issue statements or decrees in which they say “We have decided…” etc. [This is known in English as “The Royal We” – Translator]. In such cases, only one person is speaking but the plural is used for respect. The One Who is more deserving of respect than any other is Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, so when He says in the Qur’an innaa (“Verily We”) and nahnu (“We”), it is for respect and glorification, not to indicate plurality of numbers. If an aayah of this type is causing confusion, it is essential to refer to the clear, unambiguous aayaat for clarification, and if a Christian, for example, insists on taking ayaat such as “Verily, We: it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e., the Qur’an)” [al-Hijr 15:9 – interpretation of the meaning] as proof of divine plurality, we may refute this claim by quoting such clear and unambiguous aayaat as (interpretation of the meanings): “And your god is One God, there is none who has the right to be worshipped but He, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful” [al-Baqarah 2:163] and “Say: He is Allaah, the One” [al-Ikhlaas 112:1] – and other aayaat which can only be interpreted in one way. Thus confusion will be dispelled for the one who is seeking the truth. Every time Allaah uses the plural to refer to Himself, it is based on the respect and honour that He deserves, and on the great number of His names and attributes, and on the great number of His troops and angels.”
(Reference: Al-‘Aqeedah al-Tadmuriyyah by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah, p. 109).
And Allaah knows best.


((He is) the Lord of the two easts and the Lord of the two wests.) meaning the sunrise of summer and winter and the sunset of summer and winter.


[s] Can you show me where i mentioned "Royal we" as regards Allah?[/s]

But you've mentioned ROYAL "We" in your last post.. Are you also a CONFUSED Slave of Allah grin



Please tell me The ROYAL family Allah belongs To for using ROYAL "We" "Us" or Allah na Human Being??


[s](He is) the Lord of the two easts and the Lord of the two wests.) meaning the sunrise of summer and winter and the sunset of summer and winter.[/s] Point of correction, the correct text is

I swear by the Lord of the Easts and of the Wests that
WE have the power;
Quran 70:40 Allah was swearing, that is NOT where am going

Are you now saying THERE ARE TWO SUMMERS AND WINTERS In a year??
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by Oricha62(m): 5:13am On Sep 10, 2019
tintingz:
How can this be proven that a book came from a divine being that reside in the sky? And to make it more complicated the book was written in a cave.

I don't understand why Muslims are not skeptical about such claim.
My brother, it not a claimed but the fact. Prophet never write Quran ,it was only revealed to him and teach it to others because he was unlettered.
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by Oricha62(m): 5:21am On Sep 10, 2019
true2god:
The number of people reciting it does not mean nothing because over 80% of humanity never recited it and nothing have changed. My contention here is that it was not allah that spoke in surah alfathiha, while muslim claimed that the quran contains 100% the words of allah. How can allah be praying, praising and begging allah in the same quran (quran 1:1-7)? Bro, it makes no sense to over 80% of humanity that never accepted Islam but your delusions will sure make sense to you.

How can allah be praying, praising and begging allah in the same quran (quran 1:1-7)? YOU ARE CONFUSED!

Allah revealed the Quran to the prophet Muhammad (PBUH) .in surah Fatihah ,Allah commands him and the entire Muslims to praise ,pray to ,and declare the worship to Him(Allah) only .
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by tintingz(m): 7:01am On Sep 10, 2019
Oricha62:

My brother, it not a claimed but the fact. Prophet never write Quran ,it was only revealed to him and teach it to others because he was unlettered.
A fact?

Is there any evidence to prove that the book is divine?
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AbuTwins: 8:05am On Sep 10, 2019
AgentNairaland:



[s] Can you show me where i mentioned "Royal we" as regards Allah?[/s]

But you've mentioned ROYAL "We" in your last post.. Are you also a CONFUSED Slave of Allah grin



Please tell me The ROYAL family Allah belongs To for using ROYAL "We" "Us" or Allah na Human Being??


[s](He is) the Lord of the two easts and the Lord of the two wests.) meaning the sunrise of summer and winter and the sunset of summer and winter.[/s] Point of correction, the correct text is

I swear by the Lord of the Easts and of the Wests that
WE have the power;
Quran 70:40 Allah was swearing, that is NOT where am going

Are you now saying THERE ARE TWO SUMMERS AND WINTERS In a year??

Now i know you are a resilient dunce!
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by k4kenny(f): 11:29am On Sep 10, 2019
AbuTwins:


OK. That's your own delusion.

1 Billion keep reciting it over 17times daily and has memorised it. The seven oft-repeated verses. I think you are jealous. This is unlike the lord's prayer or Psalm 23 that is going extinct.

Almost 2 billion people akhi and growing rapidly daily.

Let's talk about the Lords prayer originally taught by Jesus, their god... Jesus taught his people this prayer, no mention of the trinity in the entire prayer . Some decades later some people came to add the 'grace' to what Jesus taught. They say the lord's prayer without the grace is as good as invalid. My question goes this: Is Jesus, their 'lord' incapable of giving a simple prayer that humans have to come and complete it for him?

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Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by k4kenny(f): 11:45am On Sep 10, 2019
AgentNairaland:


Sorry which ONE is LIE that I shown you?? Or are you telling me that Quran and Hadith are lying in the following :-

When the angels said: “O
Mary! Allah gives you the good
news of a Word from Him, whose
name is the Messiah, Jesus son of
Mary, who is illustrious in this
world and the hereafter, and who
is one of those brought near [to
Allah]. (3.45)


Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison."

Sahih Bukhari 5:59:713



[Quran 2:125] We have rendered the shrine (the Kaba) a focal
point for the people, and a safe sanctuary. You may use
Abraham's shrine as a prayer house. We commissioned
Abraham and Ismail: "You shall purify My house for those who
visit, those who live there, and those who bow and prostrate."



And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that
which We reveal unto thee , then question those who
read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the
Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. Surah Yunus [10:94]


Please point out the one that I lied and you'll tell if I am the author of Quran and hadith respectively

In Q2.125 the word 'bayt' was used. This means 'house', not shrine. Again, where are you people getting these lies from

We have explained what messiah means. Ask Google for more info. Hint : it doesn't mean God. Jesus was spoken of in high regards in the Qur'an, as were the other prophets of God.

The one that the Prophet Mohammad(saw) being in doubt of what was revealed to him was just a rhetoric. Also note the earlier scriptures mentioned were the originals, not the ones contaminated by the hands of men. Even Bible scholars today agree that the scriptures were written and revised over and over, long after the passing of Jesus. Abi you think Jesus knows what the Bible is ni? grin Dude's name wasn't even 'Jesus' (no letter J in Hebrew language) tongue
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by Oricha62(m): 3:23pm On Sep 10, 2019
tintingz:
A fact?

Is there any evidence to prove that the book is divine?
My evidences are in the Quran which you disbelieve its message.
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by tintingz(m): 4:31pm On Sep 10, 2019
Oricha62:

My evidences are in the Quran which you disbelieve its message.
This is circular reasoning fallacy.

"The proof that Superman can fly is in Superman comic."
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AgentNairaland(f): 9:48pm On Sep 10, 2019
k4kenny:


In Q2.125 the word 'bayt' was used. This means 'house', not shrine. Again, where are you people getting these lies from

We have explained what messiah means. Ask Google for more info. Hint : it doesn't mean God. Jesus was spoken of in high regards in the Qur'an, as were the other prophets of God.

The one that the Prophet Mohammad(saw) being in doubt of what was revealed to him was just a rhetoric. Also note the earlier scriptures mentioned were the originals, not the ones contaminated by the hands of men. Even Bible scholars today agree that the scriptures were written and revised over and over, long after the passing of Jesus. Abi you think Jesus knows what the Bible is ni? grin Dude's name wasn't even 'Jesus' (no letter J in Hebrew language) tongue

I WILL BE SHOWING YOU VERSES IN QURAN THAT TALKS ABOUT KAABA AS UR SHRINE IN ISLAM

1. [Quran 5:1-2] O you who believe, you shall fulfill
your covenants. Permitted for you to eat
are the livestock, except those specifically
prohibited herein. You shall not permit
hunting throughout Hajj pilgrimage. GOD
decrees whatever He wills. O you who
believe, do not violate the rites instituted
by GOD, nor the Sacred Months, nor the
animals to be offered, nor the garlands
marking them, nor the people who head
for the Sacred Shrine (Ka`bah) seeking
blessings from their Lord and approval.
Once you complete the pilgrimage, you
may hunt.* Do not be provoked into
aggression by your hatred of people who
once prevented you from going to the
Sacred Masjid. You shall cooperate in
matters of righteousness and piety; do not
cooperate in matters that are sinful and
evil. You shall observe GOD. GOD is strict
in enforcing retribution.

The Verses above even referred kaaba AS SACRED SHRINE... Where did u get ur own BAY grin..

See Another Verse That Refer Kaaba As SHRINE

[Quran 22:26-27] We appointed Abraham to
establish the Shrine: "You shall not
idolize any other god beside Me, and
purify My shrine for those who visit it,
those who live near it, and those who
bow and prostrate. "And proclaim that
the people shall observe Hajj pilgrimage.*
They will come to you walking or riding
on various exhausted (means of
transportation). They will come from the
farthest locations."

Allah Asked Abraham To Establish The Shrine Called Kaaba grin

2. Is Muhammad Your Messiah, If Yes Who Anointed
Him As MESSIAH?


3. WHAT IS THE NAME OF THAT ORIGINAL SCRIPTURE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT?

4. JESUS READ THE SCRIPTURE IN SYNAGOGUE

Luke 4:17-21 And there was delivered unto him the book of the
Prophet Isaiah. And when he had opened the book,
he found the place where it was written,
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath
anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath
sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach
deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to
the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
And he closed the book, and he gave it again to
the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them
that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
And he began to say unto them, This day is this
scripture fulfilled in your ears.

Please Answer The Questions I Asked You Above.. Thanks
Re: The Quran Is The Speech Of Allah by AbuTwins: 8:37am On Sep 11, 2019
k4kenny:


Almost 2 billion people akhi and growing rapidly daily.

Let's talk about the Lords prayer originally taught by Jesus, their god... Jesus taught his people this prayer, no mention of the trinity in the entire prayer . Some decades later some people came to add the 'grace' to what Jesus taught. They say the lord's prayer without the grace is as good as invalid. My question goes this: Is Jesus, their 'lord' incapable of giving a simple prayer that humans have to come and complete it for him?

Na'am bro, i had to use a lesser figure cos i know they can start an argument with that. We have roughly 2 Billion muslims worldwide out of which i believe 50% would recite Fatiha daily.

Christianity has been rebranded and it keeps getting rebranded. They have no constitution. And the holy spirit they claim keeps separating them. The Bible as it is today has immense issues both with its isnad and matn.
You will see them arguing over a simple thing as "is Alcohol permissible in Christianity" and similar issues.

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