its very simple, at the onset when Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit, did they ask you and me?where were we then? then why should their sin be visited on we the children, such that someone else has to come and die for our sins which originates from the original sin, and even you said that person is God? then what if Jesus didn't die on the cross, so does that mean that we all are not going to make it to heaven, but hell? then who are going to be the inhabitants of paradise. i think we should come out from our programmed and brainwashed senses and make comprehensive research, cos that will help

the correct title for this thread should be, "why did god have to kill himself?"

if a god created everything including the afterlife and he/she/it exist everywhere at all times how could he/she/it possibly die when he/she/it is already there (in death/ the other side)? I'm sure if he himself can create himself into his own son and simultaneously watch and exist then he can sacrifice the son self sending that part to a place he already created but since he's omnipresent he was already there so in theory he didn't sacrifice sh1t! if god was able to sacrifice a portion of himself where would it go? . . .where it's already at.


Boy that bible god is a sneaky little devil.

Mudley313:

the correct title for this thread should be, "why did god have to kill himself?"

if a god created everything including the afterlife and he/she/it exist everywhere at all times how could he/she/it possibly die when he/she/it is already there (in death/ the other side)? I'm sure if he himself can create himself into his own son and simultaneously watch and exist then he can sacrifice the son self sending that part to a place he already created but since he's omnipresent he was already there so in theory he didn't sacrifice sh1t! if god was able to sacrifice a portion of himself where would it go? . . .where it's already at.


Boy that bible god is a sneaky little devil.

Your wisdom and intelligence is pure Foolishness in the sight of God. Why don't you shut your mouth and stop the blasphemy. You will be doing yourself a huge favor if you stop toying around with things of God. Its beyond your comprehension. This is not Science and i'm sure you don't even know science.

BTW, what is your religion if you have one?

Let me put it this way We all believe that God has power over everything and can do anything, if God want every human on heart to go to paradise who is gonna ask him ? Who Create Heaven and earth?God who have Power over all mankind?God who have the power to and undo?God then if he want every human to go to heaven without anyone Questioning him then so shall it be, so what will he gain from killing his son as the brainwashed xtain said oh, sorry kill him self did i hear some of you breath in and out yes you have to cos i see no reason why he will kill him self or his son as the xtain claim and beside who know is God is he or she.

bashy_demy:

Let me put it this way We all believe that God has power over everything and can do anything,  if God want every human on heart to go to paradise who is gonna ask him ? Who Create Heaven and earth?God who have Power over all mankind?God who have the power to and undo?God then if he want every human to go to heaven without anyone Questioning him then so shall it be,  so what will he gain from killing his son as the brainwashed xtain said oh,  sorry kill him self did i hear some of you breath in and out yes you have to cos i see no reason why he will kill him self or his son as the xtain claim and beside who know is God is he or she.

You shall get answers someday---Hope that day comes quickly for you since you are so eager to know. Cheers

You are the most Stupid among the Xtains so you can proof your religion huh Shame on you maybr i'll have to put this to some of your mates

bashy_demy:

You are the most silly among the Xtains so you can proof your religion huh Shame on you maybr i'll have to put this to some of your mates

Now you are scared already Slow down Mr.

Go back to school, enrich the standard worldly knowledge, learn English at least. Its an official language. When you are done with that stage we can then talk about God. You are so behind. I'm a different Christian; one that doesn't take crap from blockheads and morons.

When you can't even understand or write correct statement; how will you even understand the great phenomenon of God.

"I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."
- John 6:51

Should we take this verse literally, or metaphorically. If it is literal, then we have to be cannibals(who eat Jesus' breadlike flesh) to be saved. But if it is a metaphor, then explain what the metaphor means in layman's language. Thanks.

roymary:

"I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."
- John 6:51

So let get right.
Christain>says thier god can do everything because he has the power

rhino> ofcourse i beleive God has the power to do anything and everything

christain> you see! We are right! Just believe in our concept that he came to die for us then you will be save

rhino> ok. Can your God be a thief? Be fraudster? Be a rapist? Be a lier? Simple because he has the power to do anything?

Christain>No! God forbid! blasphemy! He can never do such things you mention above.

Rhino> then present your facts even if its from the pages of bible to show where he mention things he can/not do.

Rhino> suicidals are retards IMO.

Christain> i will pray for you. You are posses for even thinking in that direction and holy spirit to come to life and your household and for guidiance

rhino>what! Please dont do that i hate holy sprit because i was told that he like vi.rgins and he went ahead and rape one vir.gin mary like that.
I have vir.gins living with me and my wife is equally very pretty and is blessed with all the necessary working tools a man may need
. . .

Jenwitemi:

Should we take this verse literally, or metaphorically. If it is literal, then we have to be cannibals(who eat Jesus' breadlike flesh) to be saved. But if it is a metaphor, then explain what the metaphor means in layman's language. Thanks.

We need not be pastors to understand the Bible---all it takes is a readiness to learn and understand!, I am not a Pastor.


"I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."
- John 6:51

The bread that I will give is my flesh - That is, his body would be offered as a sacrifice for sin, agreeably to his declaration when he instituted the Supper:


The living bread is Jesus Himself. This verse came up during the last Supper when Jesus ate bread with the disciples. Jesus used the bread as an illustration.

Eat this bread simply implies believing and trusting in Jesus.

Giving this bread in form of flesh for the life of the world refers to the sacred sacrifice He offered by dying on the cross to plead our case to God.

Animal blood was not enough to seek forgiveness from God any longer because Man has devalued the use of animal for sacrifice.

Believing in Jesus signifies the understanding and the love of God for mankind.

Its like having your neighbor come over to your house to beg your parents to kindly forgive you;Your neighbor did nothing wrong. A remorseful child wouldn't want to annoy his parent again knowing someone else went through stress to have his parents smile at him again.

Christianity is an open religion; not a complex one; all you need is to have a mindset that is ready to understand to a tangible extent. Our sins and wrong doings won't give us the room to go deeper spiritually until we become clean,

Christianity is not about Fake Pastors and their worldly possessions, you could open a church tomorrow as well and be who you wanna be---You are simply adulterated---This does not stop the Christianity Train from moving.

You just need to join the train or stay off it; stop throwing stones! thats the aspect that pisses me off.

roymary:

Now you are scared already Slow down Mr.

Go back to school, enrich the standard worldly knowledge, learn English at least. Its an official language. When you are done with that stage we can then talk about God. You are so behind. I'm a different Christian; one that doesn't take crap from blockheads and morons.

When you can't even understand or write correct statement; how will you even understand the great phenomenon of God.

You see what am talking about. What part of my messages you did not understand and beside were bible written in English? did your so call Jesus speak English? be more specific when you are trying to defend your so call Business religion as most people you dealing with here are no daft like you, All i wrote was just an Explanation to make you get your senses back you are here talking rubbish kai i pit the virgin that holy spirit slept with to produce you cos you sound like a product of fornication, wait your user name is roymary so your name should be mary kai i hope your not expecting the same virgin to come over and bless you with the coming Jesus that gonna be fornication and mind you its not holy spirit its evil spirit as yoruba will call it Oko Orun (Spiritual Husband) so get your Quotes right and back them up with tangible proof ok. am outta here

roymary:

"I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."
- John 6:51

Hey what are you talking about here? bread of life? so what kind of bread were the past prophet's like David Moses, Noah eat during there life's? Oh, maybe bread of death and mind you why are you xtain not living for ever? why do you have to die? why did Pastor Kumuyi why have to Die why did Jesus himself have to die? ok lets say they are of this Generation why did the likes of Paul peter and the rest of the Disciples have to die since he promise them everlasting life, hey dont let me commit sin here cos i believe in Jesus and his existence back then just that i never believe he died for anyone since and that is it so stop been brainwashed by some jet's pastor out there and if i could be able to get to know you better you might be among those congregation struggling to get there 3times daily meal why the kids are living leisure lives with you money getting married at the ripe age why you have to wait pray and pray till could be able to afford to get marry maybe at the age 35+ pls be wise just an Advice.

BLASPHEMY! BLASPHEMY!! BLASPHEMY!!!

ROSSIKE! Mantraa! Jenwitemi! Tudor! FOR YOUR OWN GOOD, REPEAT THIS PRAYER AFTER ME -

O LORD GOD, I COME TO YOU IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST. YOUR WORD SAYS, ', WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED'' (ACTS 2:21). I ASK JESUS TO COME INTO MY HEART TO BE THE LORD OF MY LIFE. FORGIVE ME OF MY SINS. WASH ME, CLEANSE ME FROM EVIL. I CONFESS WITH MY MOUTH THAT JESUS CHRIST IS LORD AND BELIEVE IN MY HEART THAT GOD RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD. I RECEIVE CHRIST TODAY. AMEN.

suicide is an act of terrorism. . . . Only a retarded god will commit suicide.

Rhino.4dm:

suicide is an act of terrorism. . . . Only a retarded god will commit suicide.

Agreed, but what's that your point again?

GAR3TH:

When it comes to scientific claims, the Bible has the dumbest claims, with all due respect to Christians. its literally make no sense, same with other religious books. i believe that something created the universe, but i dont believe these, may i say B.S. story books that the world is caught up in. sorry

So what is that something you believe created the universe then?

Yes back on here so what new?

pastor momen! u try!

chyz1:

So what is that something you believe created the universe then?

i dont know. . .i'm just human

GAR3TH:

i dont know. . .i'm just human

Fair enough.

Let's not waste our precious time, energy, breath and internet time arguing with unrepentant atheists, agnostics, pagans, free thinkers and faithless fellows. But a little word for them.

For ROSSIKE, know that your blasphemy cannot be explained away via the porous argument that christianity was brought to Africa by the whites. I remain a proud Igbo man, and a title-holder at that. Every race on earth believes there exists an Almighty God. Are u part of that belief? I doubt. And i have studied the Bible to know that its accounts are unassailably true. The fact that Jesus Christ lived in Isreal, was cruxified on the cross, died, was buried and rose from death is confirmed by Roman accounts and the writings of Josephus, a non-christain Jewish historian of the 1st century AD. These are secular records for atheists, agnostics, pagans and free thinkers like you to read and believe, since you object to Biblical accounts.

The Roman accounts will also inform you on when and how the Romans destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD, that is if you're among those who peddle the unfounded, baseless argument that the ancestral land of the Jews is somewhere other than where they live currently.

If you worship idols, that is your own lookout. But do you think that the only way to advance your own pagan or non-religious persuasion is by condenming others' faiths or blaspheming against God or Jesus Christ?

Voltaire, the French writer, once declared that within 50 years, christianity will disappear and the Holy Bible will be an anachronistic relic to be found only in museums. Before 5o years thereafter, he died a miserable death, after confessing to having seen the fires of hell waiting for him. TODAY, his former residence is the headquarters of a Bible-printing christian outfit. The same fate befell Karl Marx and his house. Henrich Heine, a notorious German atheist, died a mad man. Sigmund Freud, an Austrian-Jew and the founder of psychoanalysis, died miserably in London in 1939, albeit at an advanced age. We know what happened to Adof Hitler and the Third Reich after he declared himself the "God of Germany".

The likes of John Lennon, Marilyn Munroe, et al rejected and denounced our Lord Jesus Christ and died miserable deaths.
Even as mad as Thomas Paine was, he never blasphemed against God. Beware, you and your disciples/co-travellers, of the wrath of God.

Well, what do I really say,

They say religion and commonsense don't go together.  That is the same as saying that there is no logic.  But the whole of Creation shows consistent logic in all its development, manifestation and laws.  Rice will bring forth rice and never otherwise - what you sow you reap, that will never change!

They say He had to allow His Son to be murdered so as to forgive their sins, When He already clearly stated in the commandments:  Thou Shalt Not Kill!

His Son was murdered and even as He hung on the cross dying in the burning rays of the sun He prayed thus:  FATHER, FORGIVE THEM FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO!  A clear indication that what they did was wrong, indeed a sin that needed to be forgiven.  

Again, He did not commit any sins, yet He had to die for the sins of others; meanwhile it is clearly written WHATEVER A MAN SOWS, THAT SHALL [b]HE [/b]REAP!  No one else will do it for him.  That is justice. But what is being disseminated today is definitely not justice, for there will be an outrage when a judge on earth knowingly sentences one for the crime committed by another.  However, do remember: THE LORD IS NOT MOCKED for He is also Justice just as He is Love!

But some human beings with sordid motives have made a mockery of the Message of Salvation brought by Christ.  They have turned the signposts contained in the Message in the wrong direction and thereby have become the most effective souls catchers for the darkness.  However, if human beings have not allowed themselves to be burdened with spiritual indolence which makes it possible for them to believe the unbelievable even when the facts clearly state otherwise; they would have seen clearly that the religious doctrine of the death of Christ on the cross is self serving to those who have decided to commercialise the Message.

Peace!

@Johnkester: « #184 on: Today at 10:02:29 PM »
[Quote]Well, what do I really say,

They say religion and commonsense don't go together. That is the same as saying that there is no logic. But the whole of Creation shows consistent logic in all its development, manifestation and laws. Rice will bring forth rice and never otherwise - what you sow you reap, that will never change!

They say He had to allow His Son to be murdered so as to forgive their sins, When He already clearly stated in the commandments: Thou Shalt Not Kill!

His Son was murdered and even as He hung on the cross dying in the burning rays of the sun He prayed thus: FATHER, FORGIVE THEM FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO! A clear indication that what they did was wrong, indeed a sin that needed to be forgiven.

Again, He did not commit any sins, yet He had to die for the sins of others; meanwhile it is clearly written WHATEVER A MAN SOWS, THAT SHALL HE REAP! No one else will do it for him. That is justice. But what is being disseminated today is definitely not justice, for there will be an outrage when a judge on earth knowingly sentences one for the crime committed by another. However, do remember: THE LORD IS NOT MOCKED for He is also Justice just as He is Love!

But some human beings with sordid motives have made a mockery of the Message of Salvation brought by Christ. They have turned the signposts contained in the Message in the wrong direction and thereby have become the most effective souls catchers for the darkness. However, if human beings have not allowed themselves to be burdened with spiritual indolence which makes it possible for them to believe the unbelievable even when the facts clearly state otherwise; they would have seen clearly that the religious doctrine of the death of Christ on the cross is self serving to those who have decided to commercialise the Message.

Peace![/Quote]Before the bold, you seemed to have been consistent with reality, vis a vis, a rice grain sowed shall bring forth rice grain[s], and s sinner shall be punished for it, a cause and effect reality syndrome. How is God the father of a human being who is clearly a servant by his own tongue? How is an innocent person by your statement going to dieso that Adolf Hitler does not die a second death? How powerful is this man in ability to serve as ransom for forgiveness, when God the Everlasting Cherisher, Designer of all, Most Powerful to Forgive, since He is the Only One Who Owns and Controls Forgiveness will now kill somebody innocent and even as your people say that he was sent for this purpose only cried out in a blaming bid to God, "my God, my God. . . . hy has thou forsaken me?" If this was your second in command,Mr. Johnkester and he say as the Bible reported that Jesus said, above, will you count him as a loyal Manager of your company, will you have full confidence in him,or he will jobless the following morning?

How is it possible that when it comes to responsibility, all christians want Jesus to be responsible for what should have been their responsibility. Is there a need for Jesus to die? None, since a sinner must be responsible for his own sin.

@Image123: « #176 on: Yesterday at 08:57:51 PM »
[QUote]Quote from: Rhino.4dm on Yesterday at 07:09:12 PM
suicide is an act of terrorism. . . . Only a retarded god will commit suicide.
Agreed, but what's that your point again?[/Quote]You just agreed to it!

No wonder you take 3 to make 1, when between 3 and 1, there is 2.God cant die. God will not be seen by you or I in this world. And we will not see Him in the Day of Judgment wither if we are one of the disbelievers in His Oneness by associating anything with Him or saying He does not exist when we ourselves and all in the creation that are visible are signs that He the Master Controller exist and constantly Alive, Aware and Capable in every way.

Well said sweetnecta how was your weekend, hope you have a lovely one with your family

IchieEzeji:

Let's not waste our precious time, energy, breath and internet time arguing with unrepentant atheists, agnostics, pagans, free thinkers and faithless fellows. But a little word for them.

For ROSSIKE, know that your blasphemy cannot be explained away via the porous argument that christianity was brought to Africa by the whites. I remain a proud Igbo man, and a title-holder at that. Every race on earth believes there exists an Almighty God. Are u part of that belief? I doubt. And i have studied the Bible to know that its accounts are unassailably true. The fact that Jesus Christ lived in Isreal, was cruxified on the cross, died, was buried and rose from death is confirmed by Roman accounts and the writings of Josephus, a non-christain Jewish historian of the 1st century AD. These are secular records for atheists, agnostics, pagans and free thinkers like you to read and believe, since you object to Biblical accounts.

The Roman accounts will also inform you on when and how the Romans destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD, that is if you're among those who peddle the unfounded, baseless argument that the ancestral land of the Jews is somewhere other than where they live currently.

If you worship idols, that is your own lookout. But do you think that the only way to advance your own pagan or non-religious persuasion is by condenming others' faiths or blaspheming against God or Jesus Christ?

Voltaire, the French writer, once declared that within 50 years, christianity will disappear and the Holy Bible will be an anachronistic relic to be found only in museums. Before 5o years thereafter, he died a miserable death, after confessing to having seen the fires of hell waiting for him. TODAY, his former residence is the headquarters of a Bible-printing christian outfit. The same fate befell Karl Marx and his house. Henrich Heine, a notorious German atheist, died a mad man. Sigmund Freud, an Austrian-Jew and the founder of psychoanalysis, died miserably in London in 1939, albeit at an advanced age. We know what happened to Adof Hitler and the Third Reich after he declared himself the "God of Germany".

The likes of John Lennon, Marilyn Munroe, et al rejected and denounced our Lord Jesus Christ and died miserable deaths.
Even as mad as Thomas Paine was, he never blasphemed against God. Beware, you and your disciples/co-travellers, of the wrath of God.

bashy_demy:

Well said sweetnecta how was your weekend, hope you have a lovely one with your family

@bashy_demy,
I'm sure you read the above but couldn't handle it. May God have mercy on your soul. You are all out against God and i wonder how you sleep at nights. I hope your offspring won't follow your footstep.

roymary:



@bashy_demy,
I'm sure you read the above but couldn't handle it. May God have mercy on your soul. You are all out against God and i wonder how you sleep at nights. I hope your offspring won't follow your footstep.

what is up there to read about? someone sit and type something on here and will i have to worry myself about it i always believe in statement here with a concrete evidence and beside i never blasphemy against God cos i always have my faith in him always and pray to him always. I have never blasphemy against Jesus (ISA) as i believe he is a messenger of God i am only trying to let you know what every prophet are on earth for i mean there purpose. you call Jesus God and am here to argue with you that he is not God. 1) My own God cannot be killed nor over himself as a sacrifice for our since since he have the power over everything and can do and undo then why will he have to kill him self cos of our sin since he can easily pardon our mistake and forgive us without no one to question him. 2) my own God has no child and no one begotten him though we all believe that the Birth of Jesus was a surprise but the creation of Adam and Eve is wonderful then who should be the son of God then. 3) Satan tempt Jesus my own God cannot be tempt since he is the creation of everything. Jesus was Killed my on God cannot be killed and beside we have record that Elijah and Enoch has no death record so how are we gonna called those 2mens maybe God or what?

Sweetnecta:

@Image123: « #176 on: Yesterday at 08:57:51 PM »You just agreed to it!

No wonder you take 3 to make 1, when between 3 and 1, there is 2.God cant die. God will not be seen by you or I in this world. And we will not see Him in the Day of Judgment wither if we are one of the disbelievers in His Oneness by associating anything with Him or saying He does not exist when we ourselves and all in the creation that are visible are signs that He the Master Controller exist and constantly Alive, Aware and Capable in every way.

I agreed that suicide is an act of terrorism and it is abnormal to attempt or commit suicide, an act which seems to be an hobby/past-time for your type. The rest of your post is bewilderingly unclear. I thought i could read english, is it?