lol I know what am saying

lmao!! 
Not only are they known (which I didn't even mention in the first place  ), but they REP harder
as in they choose to stick to their identity as opposed to caribbean british who might speak their
Caribbean dialects STILL refer to themselves as British. From Jamaica to Martinique in Fr. they REP it!
Okay?

well I grew up with Jamaicans in the Uk and they are many Jamo's in Toronto and dey always have a sense of identity wherever
I guess I shldnt bother arguing with you since you claim yr a bonafide Carribean woman

I rarely hear abt carribeans @ France. .but thanks to this thread
I now know

Cameroonian dancing. Awesome!!


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You are in no way knowledgable about history. Werent you the one that said 70% of civil rights leaders were caribbean. lol. More like 7% lol

its also funny how you totally ignored the best music thread as well. Knowing caribbeans would get their @ss handed to them lmao Just an observation

everything abt that female cameroonian singer is just horrible
yuck is she bleaching?

Some of these "French" central African musicians have advanced bleaching to the ultimate level.

Nigerians, Indians.

It is not Nigerians. . .

The Congolese are the best dancers followed by the Caribbeans.

ethiopians maybe

so what dancers from the caribbean and africa that are actually well known for their incredible abilities?

I'll wait for the answer

k.o.n.y:

so what dancers from the caribbean and africa that are actually well known for their incredible  abilities?

I'll wait for the answer

Can you dance with a spinning board on your head like at 4:26?

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Americans can dance spinning on their head lol FOH

k.o.n.y:

Americans can dance spinning on their head lol FOH

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Any dance in America is found in Africa, and more.

Im not sure what this vid is supposed to prove? None of that had anything to do with american dancing. Furthermore its a recent vid, and most recent african acts are inspired by african american style dance

k.o.n.y:

Im not sure what this vid is supposed to prove? None of that had anything to do with american dancing. Furthermore its a recent vid, and most recent african acts are inspired by african american style dance

Uh, no. I'm pretty sure they don't have Ishan masquerades in Atlanta, unless I missed something. These are just videos that can be found on youtube, there are other indigenous people who flip, spin and hand stand while dancing. I'm sure American dancing has nothing to do with Africa. . . .

Im pretty sure MODERN african dancers,singers and performers are heavily inspired my american dance

No, the music is, but not the dancing, unless you're talking about P Square. And. . .

ezeagu:

I'm pretty sure they don't have Ishan masquerades in Atlanta.

most pop,rap,randb etc acts whether they be from korea,nigeria or russia- Use american hip hop style dance as the default dance they use. Which is why this thread is a joke. Africans and caribbeans have no where near that much influence in dance. Nor do you have actual legends(alvin ailey,michael jackson,james brown etc) of dance that are anywhere near american acts. That goes for Africa and Caribbeans. This thread is a joke

Yeah, that's why it's called Nigerian hip-hop because it's recognised as part of the US hip hop culture. If we're going to talk about origins of things, then hip hop dancing is mostly African anyway. And just because the US has people that are legends for them, doesn't mean Africans don't have people they and other consider legends. The only reason why this thread would be a joke is that nothing here shown is not of anything else but African descent.

how is hip hop dance mostly african? Caribbean dance is mostly african not american dance

ijaw_girl:

everything abt that female cameroonian singer is just horrible
yuck is she bleaching?

URM!!! im not talking about her bleaching or singing, it's about the dancing (in ref. to the video i posted)

@kony, i ignored the thread because its foolishness. Most of the folks on the thread ALONE posted references to reggae, so why force the issue when the facts are as clear as day? have my azz handed to me? SERIOUSLY? from a loser like yourself who didn't even know history but claim I don't. Not only have i posted links but other Nlders (who are LITERATE) backed up my facts WITH facts. You were the one who backed out like a 'puzzy' talking about how it's not fair that they (African countries) show more love to Marcus Garvey and not Martin Luther King Jr. lol

Here are just a FEW of our ppl who helped shape black America 

Sidney Poitier, (Bahamas) first BLACK actor to receive the Academy Award for best actor, born in Miami while parents visited from Bahamas.

James Weldon Johnson, (Bahamas) Harlem Renaissance poet and author of the Black National Anthem, "Lift Every Voice, and Sing."

Shirley Chisholm, (Barbados) Congresswoman, representing New York's 12th District for seven terms from 1968-1983. In 1968, she became the first BLACK woman elected to Congress. On January 23, 1972, she became the first BLACK candidate for President of the United States.

Marion Jones, (Belize) track and field Olympic gold medalist.

Malcolm X, (Grenada) Black Muslim Minister and spokesman for the Nation of Islam. He was also founder of the Muslim Mosque, Inc. and the Organization of Afro-American Unity.

Jean Baptiste Point du Sable, (Haiti) founder of Chicago.

Harry Belafonte, (Jamaica) Calypso artist and civil rights activist, parents from Jamaica and Martinique.

Marcus Garvey, (Jamaica) Black Nationalist leader, born in Jamaica.

Colin Powell, (Jamaica) first black U.S Secretary of State, parents born in Jamaica.

John Russwurm, (Jamaica) first black editor of a U.S. newspaper and one of the first three blacks to graduate from a U.S. college.

Antonia Novello, (Puerto Rico) first female U.S. Surgeon General.

Constance Baker Motley, (St Kitts & Nevis) first black woman appointed to the federal bench.

Louis Farrakhan, (St Kitts & Nevis) Nation of Islam leader, mother from St. Kitts.

Stokley Carmichael, (Kwame Toure) (Trinidad) black power activist. (invented the Black Panther emblem)

^^ JUST A FEW!!!!! 

even your "beloved Jazz" which you tried to use to discredit reggae and Jamaican influence by claiming it was the 'blue print to our culture' LOLZ is really of American CREOLE, EUROPEAN and AFRO.CARIBBEAN origin.

http://knol.google.com/k/the-synthesis-of-afro-caribbean-musical-influences-on-the-early-development-of#

so sit down, educate yourself and shut the fugg up. African American ko, supremacy NI! 

Laughing STOCK of Nairaland, Kony, check this out:

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FROM THE COMMENTS:

"Every single dance we have in the african american community was stolen from africa."
- warriorogod

"most american dancing originated from africa"
-niquentae

African roots in 'krumping'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rize_(film)#Ties_to_African_Dance

Interesting also how in that SAME documentary they have footage of African 'war dances' being played along side African americans 'Krumping' to show EXACTLY where they got it from.

Africans have been splitting, rolling, 'krumping', flipping, spinning; etc since the beginning of time. 
This footage is OBVIOUSLY older than hip hop. 

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From these SIMPLE dance moves from a congolese tribe. . .

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. . .I can EASILY see the roots to dance styles in hip hop, dancehall and even 'stepping'. It's rather sad that you WILL fight it because 'no video vixens. no chains. no bass music. and oh, NO AMERICANS', in this video smh. No wonder African Americans who ARE proud of Africa still have a hard time, because of fools like yourself. 

You ARE the joke of the thread and the ONE VOTE for Americans is EPIC. 

Can name dancers KO, means best dancers NI

k.o.n.y:

how is hip hop dance mostly african? Caribbean dance is mostly african not american dance

So where did the moves come from, some Apache war dance?

MsDarkSkin:

URM!!! im not talking about her bleaching or singing, it's about the dancing (in ref. to the video i posted)

@kony, i ignored the thread because its foolishness. Most of the folks on the thread ALONE posted references to reggae, so why force the issue when the facts are as clear as day? have my azz handed to me? SERIOUSLY? from a loser like yourself who didn't even know history but claim I don't. Not only have i posted links but other Nlders (who are LITERATE) backed up my facts WITH facts. You were the one who backed out like a 'puzzy' talking about how it's not fair that they (African countries) show more love to Marcus Garvey and not Martin Luther King Jr. lol

Here are just a FEW of our ppl who helped shape black America 

^^ JUST A FEW!!!!! 

even your "beloved Jazz" which you tried to use to discredit reggae and Jamaican influence by claiming it was the 'blue print to our culture' LOLZ is really of American CREOLE, EUROPEAN and AFRO.CARIBBEAN origin.

http://knol.google.com/k/the-synthesis-of-afro-caribbean-musical-influences-on-the-early-development-of#

so sit down, educate yourself and shut the fugg up. African American ko, supremacy NI! 

Laughing STOCK of Nairaland, Kony, check this out:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJnVPvab9QI?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0[/flash]
African roots in 'krumping'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rize_(film)#Ties_to_African_Dance

Interesting also how in that SAME documentary they have footage of African 'war dances' being played along side African americans 'Krumping' to show EXACTLY where they got it from.

Africans have been splitting, rolling, 'krumping', flipping, spinning; etc since the beginning of time. 
This footage is OBVIOUSLY older than hip hop. 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReAvS6VebEg?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0[/flash]

From these SIMPLE dance moves from a congolese tribe. . .

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JdLzGJSfSo?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0[/flash]

. . .I can EASILY see the roots to dance styles in hip hop, dancehall and even 'stepping'. It's rather sad that you WILL fight it because 'no video vixens. no chains. no bass music. and oh, NO AMERICANS', in this video smh. No wonder African Americans who ARE proud of Africa still have a hard time, because of fools like yourself. 

You ARE the joke of the thread and the ONE VOTE for Americans is EPIC. 

Can name dancers KO, means best dancers NI 

Lol Jazz is credited as one of the most AMERICAN music forms ever created. Jazz was created by poor black southerners in the south(african americans). The creole influence on jazz and african american culture period is vastly overstated. The overwhelming body of work from jazz in its sound and creation is african american.lol Jazz comes from the creation of the blue note which stems from negro sprituals. This created the blues and ragtime which jazz itself stems from. Jazz is basically an altered version of the BLUES. And is completely african american. Caribbean music didnt even use the same instruments thats notably found in jazz. Caribbean music is extremely percussion based, jazz is based on string music(guitar,bass,piano etc) Theres a reason that you cant find any early caribbean music(late 1800s-early1900) that sounds anything like it. Jazz and african american music inspired caribbean music(reggae) and african music(afrobeat) and latin music(afro jazz) than vice versa. You have no idea of what your talking about

And for every caribbean or supposedly carribbean person you name in cibil rights,Harlem renaissance etc I CAN NAME TEN AFRICAN AMERICANS. And lol at Malcolm X being carribbean. Just because his mother was half grenadian makes him under the banner of the caribbbean people lol. Dude is african american and so are you. So STFUP

And that article is a joke. So now we are revising history to say that a music(which was birthed from american slaves) is somehow latin american. What a joke. Latin american influences didnnt even come till the1950s 1960s lol

And yes caribbeans would have got their @ss handed to them in music. Outside of bob marley lol caribbean pioneers are irrelevant. Stevie wonder alone>caribbean music


Too Add-Just read the italics
[b]R&B Influence on Jamaica

Modern Jamaican music developed in a relatively short period of time. This rapid stylistic shift in the early 1950s is where the dichotomous evolutionary paths of African American and Jamaican music join back together. This sudden influence of African American culture primarily resulted from both the availability of inexpensive radios and the importation of American R&B records.

Radio broadcasts on Jamaica began in 1939, however stations were only on the air for as little as four hours daily until 1947. The formation of Radio Jamaica and Rediffusion (RJR) in 1950 marked a change in programming to British and American pop and jazz tunes, which was only slightly more interesting to Jamaicans than the BBC Radio relays that were transmitted earlier. The growing popularity of American R&B saw this emerging musical style broadcast on AM radio stations in Memphis, New Orleans, and Miami. When transistors began to replace vacuum tube technology, affordable and reliable radios became available to the Jamaican population. Listeners whose tastes were ignored by RJR tuned into these American stations. With the opening of Federal Studios, Jamaica's first recording facility, in 1954 an active recording industry and R&B scene emerged. Additionally, migrant Jamaican workers brought back American R&B records, which became the impetus for an active dance scene in Kingston. Competing DJs operating portable sound systems radically changed popular musical tastes on the island. The limited number of sound system operators able to afford the equipment had a great influence on young musicians. Jamaican musicians drew upon the highly evolved musical style played on these sound systems. Laurel Aitken's 1959 hit, "Boogie In My Bones" () typifies the early R&B style recordings that emerged from Federal. Notice how it incorporates the R&B elements described earlier. The song follows the 12 bar progression with a boogie bass line following the chord changes. Aitken sings in the standard blues holler style relating to the African American Blues tradition.


Path of Musical Influences
The Ska - R&B Relationship

According to critic Edward Dupris, Mento musicians were quick to adopt the R&B styling because of its "smooth rolling rhythms." (pg. 132) However, towards the end of the 1950s, local musicians began to fuse native Mento rhythms with the popular imported style to create music termed Ska. Dupris states that both a difficulty importing R&B records and declining Jamaican interest in the stagnate pool of R&B records on the island lead to this change. In a recent interview, Laurel Aitken described the development of Ska this way:

In the '50s we used to listen to American rhythm & blues from New Orleans. Everybody used to dance to that music in Jamaica, but in the '50s our music there was Calypso, which come from Trinidad, and we took Calypso and mixed it with the rhythm & blues and we turned that into Ska. So part of the roots of Ska music is from America. & Ska music is American rhythm & blues and Jamaican calypso and it went from there - that's where Ska come from. We used to listen to men like Smiley Lewis, Joe Turner, Roscoe Gordon, and all these guys in the '50s and we were influenced, I was influenced, by Roscoe Gordon because he played a downbeat boogie. Roscoe Gordon is an American black singer and I was influenced by him. Not only me, but other guys during that time was influenced by him because it was very popular - the boogie-woogie stuff. And as I said, we mixed the boogie-woogie stuff with calypso and that's where Ska came from, as simple as that. (Urfer)

Many critics point to the 1960 recording of "Oh! Carolina" by the Folkes Brothers as the first Ska tune. () Originally composed in 1958, this song primary follows the same R&B framework as the Jamaican songs that preceded it. It follows an up tempo three-chord progression with a boogie bass line played by the piano. However, a percussionist by the name of Count Ossie provides a heavy driving drum accompaniment that clearly distinguishes the song from the R&B style. Ossie plays in what was called a Rastafarian Burru percussion style, but what actually is quite similar to a Calypso rhythm structure. One critic relates it to either an African or African American call and response style, suggesting that: "& the drums played off the other instruments and the signers. voices, trailing just a bit and almost playing call and answer." (Pg. 87) This provides a syncopated layer on top of the straight beats of the R&B background. The net effect of this syncopated call and response drum technique was to make the tune uniquely danceable by Jamaican audiences. John Folkes, the song's composer, echoes this sentiment when he told an interviewer that "When I sang [. Oh! Carolina. ] in those days I always got a gathering, and people would do a kind of dip dance to it, not Ska, and I realized it was a different kind of song." (Pg. 87)

Although critics hail "Oh! Carolina" as the first Ska song, some Jamaican musicians claim that Theophilus Beckford's "Easy Snappin. ," () which was released around the same time as "Oh! Carolina," probably had contained more of the trademark elements of Ska. Skatalite guitar player Ernest Ranglin, an early pioneer of Ska, describes how, "I was the first person who did Ska. I did it a JBC studio and I did it for Coxsone. The group was comprised of& Theophilus "Easy Snappin. " Beckford& . we did about six recordings of instrumentals and those were some of the first Ska records." (pg. 43) Ranglin's contribution was to introduce a rhythmic accent on the upbeats in each measure.


Ernest Ranglin
For example, instead of the accent coming in at the beginning of each beat, like this (), the emphasis was moved to the second half of the beat (), syncopating the rhythm. This can be thought of simply as a modified R&B boogie bass line with the accents shifted foreword. This accompanyment pattern was actually a standard musical device used in R&B tunes like Louis Jorden's "Blue Light Boogie" () or Howlin. Wolf's "Rockin. Daddy." () Although Ranglin was absent on Beckford's hit recording, the upbeat accents are played both by the replacement guitar player and by Beckford's own piano accompaniment. According to Kevin O. brian, the "& . oh so lazy. feel and emphasis on the off-beat were widely emulated and influential." (pg )

The Derrick Morgan's hit, "Forward March," further emphasizes the upbeat accents. () Here, the horns play short, quick bursts of sound on each upbeat. This harder, more pronounced upbeat accent signals a change from the R&B boogie accompaniment pattern found in Beckford's arrangement. It provided a driving rhythmic lilt that carries the song. The style played by Ska drummers also changed to accommodate this syncopated pattern. In this stereotypical Ska drum beat, listen how the snare drum comes in on the upbeat to help drive the piano along. () To understand the profound effect of this hard upbeat accent in a band context, listen to a comparison between the horn arrangements from Laurel Aitken's "Boogie in My Bones" and "Forward March." () The horns in Aitken. s song play on the start of every beat, while the horns on Morgan's tune are playing the same line except in an inverted fashion with the emphasis on the upbeat. This simple rhythmical change dramatically alters the feel of the song, making it imminently more danceable.

Many critics hold the later part of 1963 and early 1964 as the point where Ska began to divide into two distinctive styles. Although the two styles that emerged were still primarily dance tunes, one had a more carefree pop sound, while the other had a bolder brassier sound. Sparse instrumentation and upbeat tempos characterized the pop style Ska. This allowed the signer's romantic or whimsical lyrics to stand out as the prominent element in the tunes. Prince Buster's 1965 hit "Hard Man Fe Dead" () and Jimmy Cliff's "Miss Jamaica." ()



Prince Buster at RJR Studios
These songs have a clear resemblance to African American pop music. Notice how each tune has a one chorus horn solo that plays a restated version of the melody, typical of American R&B songs such as Fats Domino's "My Blue Heaven," () Many of the recordings containing the brassier Ska sound came from Island Records. These songs had tight horn lines with many carefully arranged melodic passages. Unlike other Ska music, these recordings usually contained a driving shuffle rhythm differing from the R&B type shuffle. According to Edward Dupris, many of these songs included "& overt references to African rhythmic structures, such as the African Rumba." (pg. 134) Don Drummond's 1965 instrumental, "Man In the Street," () contains these signature horn and rhythmic features. Notice how two horns initially state the short melody and then several more join in an octave higher. This builds up a feeling of tension that climaxes with the wild trumpet solo. In his trombone solo, Drummond engages in a musical dialog by interspersing riffs between each phrase played by the horn section. These solos are unique from the pop Ska solos in that they are less restrained and more musically challenging. It is clear that this solo style is influenced more by American Be-Bop music than by R&B pop. Unfortunately, the intimate innuendoes in many of these songs assured that they would not be readily exposed to a wide audience in Jamaica.[/b]

^^LOL and what is your point?

I already to told you LONG ago that our artist back in the day used to re-sing American songs (even better than the original) at clubs and used to dress like the white American men with the slick hair and three piece suits. that is what I said prior to even posting a link that explains my point which is we influenced each other.

You decided to take me on by saying jamaicans NEVER influenced American music when I just posted the link that shows Jazz music has roots in Afro. Caribbean. Now you are tying to 'spitefully' REPOST the same think i posted ling ago which is beyond slow. Only a fool would claim American music INSPIRED Afro.Beat (African drums/rythym) LOL then you say stevie wonder alone > caribbean music  RIIGHT!! Jamaicans did not need African Americans to put our music up front we didn't even need white Americans. Jamaicans PUT OURSELVES on the map and had white British fans come to Jamaica and scout for raw talent. Re singing American tunes on top of native Jamaican tunes HARDLY makes AAs better or more relevant it only shows the appreciation we had for our American brethren but also our versatility.  Jazz and rap music both have caribbean roots and you are trying hard to fight it. smh. But history won't change for your benefit.

You are the same cat who claimed michael jackson is an example of why african americans are better than or more relevant than caribbeans and africans when the article you posted CLEARLY proved my point about black American "culture" ONLY being popular because of it's convenient grooming and location in a first world nation like the united states.

"This sudden influence of African American culture primarily resulted from both the availability of inexpensive radios and the importation of American R&B records."

at that time third world countries were not big on mass music production as they lacked the mechanical and monetary means to put themselves out there. So naturally they would replay the records they had access to and do their own renditions in bars/clubs. That's common sense. But once we got our voices heard we recorded it and ran away with it. Again with no American investment. Now you say latin influence was not felt until the 50's?  LOL poor you, and i do mean POOR!  But nonetheless typical American mentality.  Glad there are a few of us who are honest about facts. The rest? mental slaves. 

America is a melting pot made up of immigrants. So mos definitely black America is too diverse.  Black America pertains to blacks from ALL over, so the notion that anything in black America is pure American is HILARITY at it's finest. Far funnier than ANY Mike Epps joke! 

Whether or NOT a person is half caribbean, born in the states, or raised in the states a caribbean is a caribbean. Our parents have a different outlook on life and methods of raising their children from African American parents.

Back in the day and now, there is an automatic sense of blackness and rebel mentality that comes with being the product of predominately black nations/ societies. Louis Farrakhan himself said it was his DARK SKINNED (nearly blue complexioned) mother who told him just because he was lighter, he must not see himself as better than his fellow black men because the struggle goes on once you "look African" and instilled in him the importance of being aware of his blackness. She taught him about Africa about his roots and how not to take shiet. Malcom X's mother was half white (slave owner) and half west indian (slave mother) and his father an african american man who was a Marcus Garvey (Jamaican) fanatic and those two people who gave birth to malcom X with the caribbean militant ideologies are the MAIN reasons for his turn around.

Even though his early years contradicted their teachings he was able to accept them by a prison inmate because it was already in stilled in him from his parents. Black panthers (old and new), black isrealites/hebrews; etc ALL credit marcus garvey and other caribbeans as the reason and forces behind their dedication and beliefs because unlike in the America, the caribbean was home to the most rebellious and notorious slaves. Why else do you think for nearly 100 years the REFUSED to print ANY NEWS about the caribbean colonies in America? because every time they printed about Haitian and Jamaican revolts THAT IS WHEN Americans would revolt (LOLz  ).

Caribbean influenced black nationalism = self reliance and demand respect, BY ANY MEANS! and as long as you are a black man, you're an african! (Garvey, Malcom X, Claude McKay, Peter Tosh  )

American concept of civil rights = equality and living with 'the white man'.  (MLK, Du Bois)


Look up the Gullah people of south carolina and their relationship to the caribbean and Sierra Leone  , find out the reason why creole (southern american) food and culture is so similar to caribbean culture (here is a hint: HAITIANS ) and also read about why and how those who ended up in the caribbean were put there. I bet if i were to tell you the south where jazz is supposed to have been felt the hardest, was at one time considered the caribbean, you'll pass the fugg out in agony. 


Interesting.

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Domesticated/seasoned African slave = admittance to US. Interesting. . .

Understand yourself and stay in your place. Doubt it? read about it. It's as simple as that.

While we are at it,
answer this question

ezeagu:

So where did the moves come from, some Apache war dance?

and DISPROVE the African roots posted my post prior to the one above. 

Mr. Supreme  . You say we Jamos are irrelevant [comical but cool  ], now try to refute African influence. 
So can get some good laughs and crack up harder than I did today.

Show me jamaicans singing american tunes better than african americans. Are you kidding me. I highly doubt jamaica had more talented singers than the blacks back in the day-Aretha,ella,sara vaughn I could go on and on for days. LOL Im not trying to say that jamaican/caribbeans had Zero influence on black music, but you are vastly blowing it out of proportion. That link you posted provided no evidence for its claims. Jazz is an exstention of the blues which itself is an extension of negro spiritual which come from slaves on the plantation. Jazz sounds nothing like caribbean music especially the caribbean music that would have been coming out in the late 1800s. Like i said before jazz is string based music using european instruments. Caribbean and african music are percussion based, two completely different things

Ask fela kuti said it himself. He came to america and was inspired by the jazz and funk scene here. He incorporated that to make afro beat. This shows you know nothing about music lol

"Afrobeat is a combination of traditional Yoruba music[b], jazz[/b], highlife, funk and chanted vocals,[1] fused with percussion and vocal styles, popularised in Africa in the 1970s. Its main creator was the Nigerian multi-instrumentalist and bandleader Fela Kuti, who gave it its name,[1] who used it to revolutionise musical structure as well as the political context in his native Nigeria. It was Kuti who coined the term "afrobeat" upon his return from a U.S. tour with his group Nigeria '70 (formerly Koola Lobitos). Afrobeat features chants, call-and-response vocals, and complex, interacting rhythms.[1]"

You can clearly listen to "afrobeat" and easily hear its obvious jazz influences. So much so that its basically a derivative of jazz

Jazz-
Jazz is a musical style that originated at the beginning of the 20th century in African American communities in the Southern United States. It was born out of a mix of African and European music traditions.

That link was the first and only excerpt that mentions false phantom caribbean roots to the music. Where is the influence? who are the great caribbean jazz pioneers that actually helped its inception. Wheres the duke ellingtons,fats dominos,john coltranes lmao. Jazz is more african american than fried chicken and the electric slide at a family reunion. Does this caribbean influence come via creoles? Lol the creoles were s sub group of mullato african americans and most early pioneers were plain african american anyway. Theres no HISTORY of jazz being caribbean influenced. If anything jazz influenced caribbean/latin music(african jazz,afrobeat,cuban jazz,latin jazz). You got the chicken before the egg ish going on

Blac musc is popular because black music is good. Its 2011 and all blacks AA.Caribbean,africans hace access to big world markets. African american music is still much bigger and impressive than the rest of the diaspora, WHATS THE EXCUSE NOW. There are caribbeans in Great britain that could take advantage aswell. Whats the excuse lmao

Just because something is american doesnt make it good. People took our music and related to it WORLDWIDE, so your whole point doesNt make sense. Caribbean music is simply not as good, get over it.

And yes stevie wonder could probably take on caribbean music by himself, ok ok ok i'll take that back. Stevie wonder and prince, i'll add prince to that pot. Both of their catolouges,just two african american artist, could Sht on caribbean music. Try me. In dance michael j and james B alone shts on the caribbean. The only artist respected in the caribbean on any relevant level is bob marley, hes been dead for like thirty years. But you always have rihanna though LOLOLOL. Caribbeans and africans feel it necessary to leech off of black american culture. AA dont feel this to be necessary. WHENS THE LAST TIME YOU HEARD AA's TRYING TO CLAIM REGGAE HAS AA ROOTS.  My point exactly lol We couldnt careless, reggae to us is just jamaican culture. Jazz is african american culture along with funk,soul,gospel,blues,rock,randb,house,disco,hiphop etc

Reggae and other black music is only successful because black americans made the concept of black music viable to the rest of the world. Without that your music would be more irrelevant than it already is. Reggae basically piggybacked off of rap and randb who are you trying to fool

Lastly malcolmx was black-african american. He grew up around african americans, his father was african american.lol Theres very little Caribbean in him. Give it up

And for the last time gullahs are completely african american lol. My family stems from charleston SC-Gullah kingdom lol I know these people personally



And your disrespect of MLK is very telling. Black nationalism and marcus garvey got us no where. Mlk made change for black america and blacks. Marcus garvey was hung on the ballsack of african americans and looked to us and our culture more than he did jamaicans themselves. In the end mlk accomplished way more than he did. He could have stayed in jamaica with that dumbsht

I'm still trying to figure out why kony is still here. First of all, if hip-hop dances don't have African origins, where did they come from? Sorry, but the hip-hop dances are similar to the African dances in those videos. Maybe it has to do with the hip-hop dancers being of African descent. Why try to deny it? Everybody influences everybody in some way. No one lives in a vacuum. And second, you really need to stop making assumptions. Just because you find Caribbean music bad doesn't mean it's bad to other people. And your disrespect of black nationalism is very telling. You're against the idea of black folks owning and patroning their own businesses and living among each other in their own communities where everything is under black folks' control? With that thinking, Black Wall Street would've never existed. MLK, Jr. was a good guy, but the whole idea of integration has contributed to the destruction of the black community.

A.D.M.:

I'm still trying to figure out why kony is still here. First of all, if hip-hop dances don't have African origins, where did they come from? Sorry, but the hip-hop dances are similar to the African dances in those videos. Maybe it has to do with the hip-hop dancers being of African descent. Why try to deny it? Everybody influences everybody in some way. No one lives in a vacuum. And second, you really need to stop making assumptions. Just because you find Caribbean music bad doesn't mean it's bad to other people. And your disrespect of black nationalism is very telling. You're against the idea of black folks owning and patroning their own businesses and living among each other in their own communities where everything is under black folks' control? With that thinking, Black Wall Street would've never existed. MLK, Jr. was a good guy, but the whole idea of integration has contributed to the destruction of the black community.

LMAO!! OKAY? THANK YOU!! he's confused about his own life hence his need to come here trying to brag on Africans while living in a country where he is a second class citizen. 

k.o.n.y:

Show me jamaicans singing american tunes better than african americans. Are you kidding me. I highly doubt jamaica had more talented singers than the blacks back in the day-Aretha,ella,sara vaughn I could go on and on for days. LOL

When i have the time i will post some tunes.  Gladly.
And as for Jamaican talent, Jamaica is FULL of talent always has been and always will because talent is a human thing. There are folks we may NEVER hear or see who if given the chance to show what they 'got' would absolutely blow us away so never you believe Aretha, ella or who ever "is it" just because they are known and 'american'. That is garbage and nothing logical about that.

Im not trying to say that jamaican/caribbeans had Zero influence on black music,

Good, because you would be lying like hell.

but you are vastly blowing it out of proportion. That link you posted provided no evidence for its claims. Jazz is an exstention of the blues which itself is an extension of negro spiritual which come from slaves on the plantation.

LOL!!!! i will touch on that later!

Jazz sounds nothing like caribbean music especially the caribbean music that would have been coming out in the late 1800s. Like i said before jazz is string based music using european instruments. Caribbean and african music are percussion based, two completely different things

OK wtf are you talking about? Sugar Minott's NO ONE, John Holt's ANY WHERE YOU WANT TO GO, and Dennis Brown's EQUAL RIGHTS; etc. are PERFECT examples of Caribbean music WITH European instruments!! In fact European instruments are part of the foundation of our musics!! We Caribbeans and Afro.latins just held on to and stressed our African influence/ rhythm by keeping the drums and making our music more dance-able.

Ask fela kuti said it himself. He came to america and was inspired by the jazz and funk scene here. He incorporated that to make afro beat. This shows you know nothing about music lol

So. . .now you are implying Fela Kuti's music would not have been if it were not for AAs, abi? HILARITY  . You nor born well at all. Regardless of how you twist or mix the ingredients, banana porridge is banana porridge. Jazz is a fusion of different cultures and yes it was blended in America but it is still ultimately of African influence, which is why Fela was able to 'feel it', because it was part of his history too. 

Just like caribbeans, we 'feel' American music because it is part of us as well. There is no back packing about it, it's just facts.

"Afrobeat is a combination of traditional Yoruba music[b], jazz[/b], highlife, funk and chanted vocals,[1] fused with percussion and vocal styles, popularised in Africa in the 1970s. Its main creator was the Nigerian multi-instrumentalist and bandleader Fela Kuti, who gave it its name,[1] who used it to revolutionise musical structure as well as the political context in his native Nigeria. It was Kuti who coined the term "afrobeat" upon his return from a U.S. tour with his group Nigeria '70 (formerly Koola Lobitos). Afrobeat features chants, call-and-response vocals, and complex, interacting rhythms.[1]"

You can clearly listen to "afrobeat" and easily hear its obvious jazz influences. So much so that its basically a derivative of jazz

and where did Jazz come from? former slaves from America, the caribbean and the Europeans! and where did these slaves come from Kony? Caribbeans, AAs, and Africans are connected to this day as a result of music WHY? because we are the same damn people. Whether it is one count, 'one drop' or what ever the ultimate reason why we have rhythm is because of our ancestry. Jazz music is simply a fusion of the three cultures and their unique styles as well as European. Jazz is not 100 percent American. It was only remixed and made popular here.

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Jazz is a musical style that originated at the beginning of the 20th century in African American communities in the Southern United States. [size=18pt]It was born out of a mix of African and European music traditions[/size].

and you have the nerve to highlight the African AMERICAN part but failed to highlight Europe and Africa? lol. What happened to 'No African influence' and 'all American'? Like I said the ultimate root to all black music is Africa but as far as African Americans and caribbeans are concerned we influenced each other equally from rap to reggae; etc and Jazz is no different.

That link was the first and only excerpt that mentions false phantom caribbean roots to the music. Where is the influence? who are the great caribbean jazz pioneers that actually helped its inception. Wheres the duke ellingtons,fats dominos,john coltranes lmao.

Here you go again with the r3tarded "why cant you name like we can" 5th grade logic. What a fo0l. Native Americans created soccer and yet when we think of soccer we think of Beckham, Ronaldo, Eto'o and Gyan. Why is that? publicity and ignorance. the average person does not know the root of soccer but they love the sport, obviously you don't know the root about your own culture, yet you want to brag about it. Pretty sad.

Jazz is more african american than fried chicken and the electric slide at a family reunion. Does this caribbean influence come via creoles? Lol the creoles were s sub group of mullato african americans and most early pioneers were plain african american anyway. Theres no HISTORY of jazz being caribbean influenced. If anything jazz influenced caribbean/latin music(african jazz,afrobeat,cuban jazz,latin jazz). You got the chicken before the egg ish going on

Hilarious. I don't even know why i bother wasting my time! There were blacks in South America and the caribbean BEFORE North America KONY, the seeds to popular African American culture began south of the US border. While the majority of the AAs were singing 'negro spirituals' caribbeans and afro. latins were still worshiping Shango, dancing to drums, fusing African music with European instruments (the guitar being the most used). Haitians slaves used to emigrate to the United States and actually fought in the Revolutionary war before settling and pitifully being recaptured IN america as slaves after risking their lives for the country  . They brought the voodoo and the creole culture to Louisiana and the southern states which are the birth places of Jazz music.

Like I said before read about it when in doubt  .

http://www.ehow.com/about_5412872_influence-caribbean-music-jazz.html

Blac musc is popular because black music is good.

Damn right!

Its 2011 and all blacks AA.Caribbean,africans hace access to big world markets. African american music is still much bigger and impressive than the rest of the diaspora, WHATS THE EXCUSE NOW. There are caribbeans in Great britain that could take advantage aswell. Whats the excuse lmao

What do you mean what is the 'excuse'? What excuse? My tiny island is very much relevant. Enough for MTV to even broadcast beefs between dancehall artists, news on Jamaican entertainment and even recently the rumor of vibes Kartel 'escaping from prison'. Not to mention how a lot of rappers are sending tracks to Jamaica for artists to voice on them. Gyptian, who is a relatively quiet and reserved Rastafarian reggae, artist's track 'hold yuh' was NOT supposed to be mainstream in America and yet in New York alone since it's debut on Hot 97, for a YEAR straight it was played and requested non stop before the rest of the country even heard it! Americans who don't even understand patois download it like crazy! And that is just ONE example of one track out of many of his songs and the genre at large! So what do you mean "irrelevant" and "excuse"?  Reggae and dancehall are VERY popular forms of music because they are relate-able and good art forms. It's 2011 and due to networking and migration we are able to put our music out there unlike in the past. You are playing yourself if you think "Rap" and "r&b" makes AAs more superior in music. In fact I know you are deluded. 

Just because something is american doesnt make it good.

Most definitely!

People took our music and related to it WORLDWIDE, so your whole point doesNt make sense.

Lol!!  they "relate" to it because it is a representation of the American culture: MIXED! lol the roots of "American music" are not American at all r3tard. that is why ppl can relate.

Caribbean music is simply not as good, get over it.

Awe! and i suppose you want me to believe you believe that but we both know that line is garbage. 

And yes stevie wonder could probably take on caribbean music by himself, ok ok ok i'll take that back. Stevie wonder and prince, i'll add prince to that pot. Both of their catolouges,just two african american artist, could Sht on caribbean music. Try me. In dance michael j and james B alone shts on the caribbean. The only artist respected in the caribbean on any relevant level is bob marley, hes been dead for like thirty years. But you always have rihanna though LOLOLOL. Caribbeans and africans feel it necessary to leech off of black american culture. AA dont feel this to be necessary. WHENS THE LAST TIME YOU HEARD AA's TRYING TO CLAIM REGGAE HAS AA ROOTS.  My point exactly lol We couldnt careless, reggae to us is just jamaican culture. Jazz is african american culture along with funk,soul,gospel,blues,rock,randb,house,disco,hiphop etc

how old are you? com'on. Are you really that slow? Stevie wonder and prince(ss) are both good no doubt but they are definitely NOT the best America has to offer and there are artists from all over the world who have outsold both artists and others who may or may not be known who perhaps even sounds better but that is a matter of opinion. Just because you are stuck in your irrelevant and sad world does not mean the rest of us are. Talking about Africans and Caribbeans "leech" off of African American culture and yet both groups excel in America and in fact do not even 'rate' AAs like that. Listening to the music because it relates to them is not the same as wanting to be like or 'worshipping' AAs. The average African and caribbean person do not even think about AAs. 

Reggae and other black music is only successful because black americans made the concept of black music viable to the rest of the world.

           

Without that your music would be more irrelevant than it already is. Reggae basically piggybacked off of rap and randb who are you trying to fool

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!          reggae MADE rap. GTFOH.

Lastly malcolmx was black-african american. He grew up around african americans, his father was african american.lol Theres very little Caribbean in him. Give it up

I already explained this. I am not going over it again.

And for the last time gullahs are completely african american lol

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'LAST TIME', Mr.Cork's corny toes!!  You've NEVER mentioned the Gullahs and probably don't even know who they are. 

My family stems from charleston SC-Gullah kingdom lol I know these people personally

interesting so please do type something in Gullah Creole.  and thereafter tell me about the history of those people that counters my point about their relationship to Sierra Leone and the West Indies 

And your disrespect of MLK is very telling.

I.D.G.A.F  what you think or want to believe. I'd rather DIE with dignity and enough self respect, to DEMAND my right to the world like the next person than live my life taking slaps, "turning the other cheek" and marching all the damn time  all in the name of being WITH 'the white man' and docile enough to accept being second classed. I was born in this world, created by the same God who created all things, I have the right to live and be free. I'll be damned if I support taking shiet.

Black nationalism and marcus garvey got us no where.

Because it never had the chance to. Docile African Americans sold those leaders out. 

Mlk made change for black america and blacks.

Being able to sit in front of the bus and enter a restaurant but still being called 'nigger' and suffering from mental slavery = change? okay oo!! 

Marcus garvey was hung on the ballsack of african americans and looked to us and our culture more than he did jamaicans themselves.

LOL you obviously FAILED history class.  The majority of M.G.'s journey was in latin America and Africa which is why so many Africans love and respect the prophet and named places, organizations and recolored their flags in his honour. The 'Black Star Line' was the first black owned, published, and circulated Black Newspaper on the planet and was so popular in Africa Ghana added the black star to its flag. M.G. also gave Afro. Latinos a voice. He only came to America because AAs were too afraid of 'massa' to stand up. He offered and gave them a chance to stand up and what did they do? teamed up with the FBI and sought after his deportation and succeeded.  Then took the credit for the 'back to Africa' mission and the founding of Liberia but fail to mention Marcus Garvey's ships were what transported a lot of the ppl from America TO Liberia. Funny huh? 

In the end mlk accomplished way more than he did. He could have stayed in jamaica with that dumbsht

LOL  SOMEBODY IS HURTING!!!