scholes0:


I was referring to the WAEC and JAMB registration figures nationwide.

Ok, I will tag you when he responds.

Iamgrey5:
Mr Nowenuse please point the publication by any Yoruba media that tagged igbos ritualist.


Or all the ways you keep slendering Yorubas for no reason without any prove on this thread from the onset i.e. calling Yorubas cowards or backstabbers etc.

If you like be igbo friendly or anything you feel like tagging yourself, but please stop slendering the names of the Yorubas we are not your problem.

Very soon, yorubas and Igbos on this thread will combine to eat me raw

I think the only time I remember calling Yorubas cowards is in the case of Jos crisis. Of course, it was the truth.
Yorubas never defend themselves against Hausa-fulanis in the north, but Igbos do.

Nasarawa Gong area of Jos has been settled by Yorubas since precolonial times. That was the land the British gave to Yoruba tin mining workers.
Yorubas easily lost this place to Hausas in the Jos crisis without a showdown.

Look at Sabongari in Kano. It is the safe haven for non indigenes in Kano city. It happened because of the Igbos.
Hausa muslims cannot invade that place no matter what happens. There was an area that used to be dominated by Yorubas in Kano (I've forgotten the name). That area was almost wiped out when Hausas attacked Yorubas in retaliation for the Shagamu crisis.

Can you explain this to me?

Nowenuse:


Very soon, yorubas and Igbos on this thread will combine to eat me raw

I think the only time I remember calling Yorubas cowards is in the case of Jos crisis. Of course, it was the truth.
Yorubas never defend themselves against Hausa-fulanis in the north, but Igbos do.

Nasarawa Gong area of Jos has been settled by Yorubas since precolonial times. That was the land the British gave to Yoruba tin mining workers.
Yorubas easily lost this place to Hausas in the Jos crisis without a showdown.

Look at Sabongari in Kano. It is the safe haven for non indigenes in Kano city. It happened because of the Igbos.
Hausa muslims cannot invade that place no matter what happens. There was an area that used to be dominated by Yorubas in Kano (I've forgotten the name). That area was almost wiped out when Hausas attacked Yorubas in retaliation for the Shagamu crisis.

Can you explain this to me?

It's strange for people to understand our nature.

Yorubas wouldn't ever drag any land with anyone outside Yoruba land, hence it's a bit strange when we find others (mainly igbos) extremely comfortable calling our land no man's land.

In south Africa, all those that have been killed according to records are igbos but an equal numbers of Yorubas and igbos repratriated because Yorubas will never drag any land that they believe doesn't necessarily belong to them.

Simply put, we leave where we are not wanted.

However, in Nigerian history when it comes to fighting for our right in our land, we have never shown any sign of cowardness.

Iamgrey5:
No it makes Kwara a Northern state

What of chief Adedoyin of Doyin group, Lai Muhammad Rasidi Yekini, Joseph Ayo babalola (CAC) , Pasuma , Kunle Afolayan etc.

You can even google kwara state and you will find it posted that 85% of the population readily identify as Yorubas, or what language do you think is spoken in ilorin ? Even in the Emirs palace.

Rivers state is entirely different because while igbos make a substantial minority, it's no where close to 50% of the population, same can be said of Delta where igbos should be closer to 50% of the population.

Moving on, Wole Soyinka has more internationally recognized award than any other writer in Nigerian history.

He is a social crusader that has even spent months in prison for issues that should ordinarily not concern him like Biafra.

He started a group that was made up of predominantly students from poor background to give them a voice, he was never part of groups like Aye, Eye, Vikings of today.

I vehemently disagree with you saying 85% of Kwara indigenes identify as Yoruba.
It's more like 75% (if we consider all the people of Ilorin emirate to identify as Yoruba) and this we know is not true!
At least 30% of the indigenes of Ilorin emirate reject Yoruba identity simply because they have Hausa-fulani and Nupe origins.

Any way, let's just stick with 75%. Cos even many Igbo speaking people in Delta & Rivers reject Igbo identity.

You can't tell me that Edu, Patigi, Kaiama & Baruten indigenes are just 15% of Kwara state.


As for the issue of Rivers & Delta Igbos, you are making a mistake of inversion.
It is in Delta state that the Igbo speaking tribes can never be close to 50%. They are more like ⅓ of the population.
However, Rivers state has close to half of it's population as Igbo speaking tribes. That is why these Igbo tribes have been ruling the state exclusively since 1999.

Iamgrey5:
Lying is your trade mark

Source of WHO approving it

Your idiotic Nigerian government refused to acknowledge such a feat because it came from an Igbo immediately after the Nigeria/Biafra war. Even further the line, Nigerian government led the Maj. Gen. Muhamadu Buhari refused to endorse an Igbo man who contested for secretory general of OAU instead he supported a Fulani man from Niger Republic. The best to happen to Nigeria is disintegration period. The Yari.ba can have all their first in anything as you have insinuated.

Iamgrey5:
Oga it seems you know very little or have very little knowledge of anything.

Emir is not a Hausa Fulani title oh

And Hausa don't rule in ilorin, it's a Yorubanized Fulani that rules.

The elite and royal indigenous families of Ilorin are of Fulani and Hausa-Nupe background.

They have been linguistically Yorubanized, but they still know who they are.
They intermarry with the pure yorubas of Ilorin and these marriages tend to go in favour of the pro fulani and pro arewa line.
This is the way it is anywhere Fulanis rule with an emirate. It is like that in Hausa land, In Nupe land e.t.c

Nowenuse:


I vehemently disagree with you saying 85% of Kwara indigenes identify as Yoruba.
It's more like 75% (if we consider all the people of Ilorin emirate to identify as Yoruba) and this we know is not true!
At least 30% of the indigenes of Ilorin emirate reject Yoruba identity simply because they have Hausa-fulani and Nupe origins.

Any way, let's just stick with 75%. Cos even many Igbo speaking people in Delta & Rivers reject Igbo identity.

You can't tell me that Edu, Patigi, Kaiama & Baruten indigenes are just 15% of Kwara state.


As for the issue of Rivers & Delta Igbos, you are making a mistake of inversion.
It is in Delta state that the Igbo speaking tribes can never be close to 50%. They are more like ⅓ of the population.
However, Rivers state has close to half of it's population as Igbo speaking tribes. That is why these Igbo tribes have been ruling the state exclusively since 1999.

Well you may be right about rivers, but you are wrong that 30% of those in Ilorin identifying themselves as Fulani.

I believe about 5 to 10% (Mostly related to the ilorin emirate) in ilorin will readily identify themselves as ilorins and deny being Yoruba or Fulani because they truly mix identity. Although they speak Yoruba

Meanwhile, Yorubas should be within 75% t to 80%

The Baruba are not much in population, while Nupes in Kwara are not much too.

Iamgrey5:
It's strange for people to understand our nature.

Yorubas wouldn't ever drag any land with anyone outside Yoruba land, hence it's a bit strange when we find others (mainly igbos) extremely comfortable calling our land no man's land.

In south Africa, all those that have been killed according to records are igbos but an equal numbers of Yorubas and igbos repratriated because Yorubas will never drag any land that they believe doesn't necessarily belong to them.

Simply put, we leave where we are not wanted.

However, in Nigerian history when it comes to fighting for our right in our land, we have never shown any sign of cowardness.

The states of returnees are – Abia – 7, Anambra 13, Benue 1, Delta 15, Ebonyi 2, Edo 13, Ekiti 6 and Enugu 7.
Others are Imo 28, Kogi 1, Kwara 3, Lagos 7, Ogun 30, Osun 6, Ondo 6 and Oyo 23.


SW=78 + kwara =81
SE= 51

How are these equal numbers.


You guys will never change

https://thenationonlineng.net/ogun-tops-list-of-south-african-returnees/


This first list was the reason abike Dabiri refuses to release the second list because Yorubas are much even in the second list.


Had it been Igbos was much she will rush to release the list and even give press Statement.

Nowenuse:


The elite and royal indigenous families of Ilorin are of Fulani and Hausa-Nupe background.

They have been linguistically Yorubanized, but they still know who they are.
They intermarry with the pure yorubas of Ilorin and these marriages tend to go in favour of the pro fulani and pro arewa line.
This is the way it is anywhere Fulanis rule with an emirate. It is like that in Hausa land, In Nupe land e.t.c

No Sir, the emir in Ilorin has no Nupe identity.

It's purely Bariba, Yoruba and Fulani affair.

The Fulani, bariba and two Yoruba balogun choose a Fulani lineage of Alimi to head the emirate.

It's worth to note their language of communication in the Emirs palace is Yoruba language.

Iamgrey5:
Even the little twisted history ipob thought you, you refuse to learn probably.

Ilorin is different from Kwara state.

In Kwara we have two Yoruba groups which are the igbominas and the ilorins ( that has history with Afonja)

The Ilorins are called the Ibolos apparently. I wonder why these people do not promote their identity. Instead they identify with Ilorin emirate. How shameful.
Igbominas are very proud of their identity.
Most people do not know the name IBOLO.

Kwara has 3 Yoruba groups. Don't forget the Ekitis. There is one entire LGA in Kwara south that is Ekiti speaking.

MelesZenawi:



The states of returnees are – Abia – 7, Anambra 13, Benue 1, Delta 15, Ebonyi 2, Edo 13, Ekiti 6 and Enugu 7.
Others are Imo 28, Kogi 1, Kwara 3, Lagos 7, Ogun 30, Osun 6, Ondo 6 and Oyo 23.


SW=78 + kwara =81
SE= 51

How are these equal numbers.


You guys will never change

https://thenationonlineng.net/ogun-tops-list-of-south-african-returnees/


This first list was the reason abike Dabiri refuses to release the second list because Yorubas are much even in the second list.


Had it been Igbos was much she will rush to release the list and even give press Statement.

There were two batches sir . This was the first batch

Mr ipob

https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2019/09/19/xenophobia-imo-tops-list-of-second-batch-of-returnees-from-south-africa/

Iamgrey5:
There were two batches sir . This was the first batch

Mr ipob

Did you read my post

Abike release the first list and Yorubas where topping and it generated reactions because actually she taught it was Igbos much.

Second list came and Yorubas were much and realising the damage control she withheld the list because Yorubas are also higher.



You guys are just pathetic. Always comparing and dragging Igbos to every issue.

MelesZenawi:


Did you read my post

Abike release the first list and Yorubas where topping and it generated reactions because actually she taught it was Igbos much.

Second list came and Yorubas were much and realising the damage control she withheld the list because Yorubas are also higher.



You guys are just pathetic. Always comparing and dragging Igbos to every issue.

https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2019/09/19/xenophobia-imo-tops-list-of-second-batch-of-returnees-from-south-africa/

Read my Ipob friend.

Iamgrey5:
Well you may be right about rivers, but you are wrong that 30% of those in Ilorin identifying themselves as Fulani.

I believe about 5 to 10% (Mostly related to the ilorin emirate) in ilorin will readily identify themselves as ilorins and deny being Yoruba or Fulani because they truly mix identity. Although they speak Yoruba

Meanwhile, Yorubas should be within 75% t to 80%

The Baruba are not much in population, while Nupes in Kwara are not much too.

The 30% of Ilorin indigenes do not necessarily identify as Fulani, but they reject Yoruba identity. Kai, they are more than 10%.
They couldn't have been able to wield so much power in the city and state if they were just 10%.

You probably do not meet with much of them because a lot of them migrate to the core-north to school, live and integrate. Many of them marry core-northerners and their children end up claiming the core-north. I met one like that in youth service.

You think the Baribas & Nupes are not much in Kwara because most of them migrate to live and integrate in the core-north. Others live in Ilorin and end up adopting Yoruba as their mother tongue and people just assume they are Yorubas, but they are not!

A lot of the Bariba/Borgu people even in Niger state speak Yoruba fluently. Many of them still live and integrate in Ilorin. They were part of Kwara state for many years before they were taken to Niger state.
Hausa is gradually replacing Yoruba as their 2nd language in Niger state though.

So many Yorubas from Oyo, Osun & Okun (Kogi) and even Kwara south have settled in Ilorin and integrated. This is why people overestimate the population of pro-yorubas in Ilorin and underestimate the Pro-arewa indigenes of Ilorin.

Iamgrey5:


https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2019/09/19/xenophobia-imo-tops-list-of-second-batch-of-returnees-from-south-africa/

Read my Ipob friend.

Nada from Lagos Ibadan.

Why didn't other dailies carry it.

Search your soul and have peace OPC.

Iamgrey5:
No Sir, the emir in Ilorin has no Nupe identity.

It's purely Bariba, Yoruba and Fulani affair.

The Fulani, bariba and two Yoruba balogun choose a Fulani lineage of Alimi to head the emirate.

It's worth to note their language of communication in the Emirs palace is Yoruba language.

Don't create an argument where it doesn't exist. I never said the Emir of Ilorin had Nupe identity.

I said the royal & elite houses. Nupes & Hausas were among Alimi's foot soldiers and they intermarried with the Fulani families.

Nowenuse:


The 30% of Ilorin indigenes do not necessarily identify as Fulani, but they reject Yoruba identity. Kai, they are more than 10%.
They couldn't have been able to wield so much power in the city and state if they were just 10%.

You probably do not meet with much of them because a lot of them migrate to the core-north to school, live and integrate. Many of them marry core-northerners and their children end up claiming the core-north. I met one like that in youth service.

You think the Baribas & Nupes are not much in Kwara because most of them migrate to live and integrate in the core-north. Others live in Ilorin and end up adopting Yoruba as their mother tongue and people just assume they are Yorubas, but they are not!

A lot of the Bariba/Borgu people even in Niger state speak Yoruba fluently. Many of them still live and integrate in Ilorin. They were part of Kwara state for many years before they were taken to Niger state.
Hausa is gradually replacing Yoruba as their 2nd language in Niger state though.

So many Yorubas from Oyo, Osun & Okun (Kogi) and even Kwara south have settled in Ilorin and integrated. This is why people overestimate the population of pro-yorubas in Ilorin and underestimate the Pro-arewa indigenes of Ilorin.

There's nothing like pro Arewa in Ilorin sir. There is a certainly pro unique identity by a few people in Ilorin. I can never deny that especially among those with mix orgins.


The Ilorin people of mix orgins became more vocal during the Saraki's era who felt carving out a unique identity would mean he will be given the kind of liberty groups like Nupe and Igala enjoys in the middle belt.


The last election shows that they are actually small in number but were made powerful simply because they always had power.

Nowenuse:


Don't create an argument where it doesn't exist. I never said the Emir of Ilorin had Nupe identity.

I said the royal & elite houses. Nupes & Hausas were among Alimi's foot soldiers and they intermarried with the Fulani families.

No sir, Most of Alimi foot soldiers were Fulani, Bariba and Yoruba Muslims.

MelesZenawi:


Nada from Lagos Ibadan.
Why didn't other dailies carry it.
Search your soul and have peace OPC.

Google is your friend
You asked for evidence and I gave you one

Iamgrey5:
Google is your friend
You asked for evidence and I gave you one

You gave me nada.

MelesZenawi:

You gave me nada.

Keep running away from the truth.

Iamgrey5:
It's strange for people to understand our nature.

Yorubas wouldn't ever drag any land with anyone outside Yoruba land, hence it's a bit strange when we find others (mainly igbos) extremely comfortable calling our land no man's land.

In south Africa, all those that have been killed according to records are igbos but an equal numbers of Yorubas and igbos repratriated because Yorubas will never drag any land that they believe doesn't necessarily belong to them.

Simply put, we leave where we are not wanted.

However, in Nigerian history when it comes to fighting for our right in our land, we have never shown any sign of cowardness.

Yoruba people naturally are easily afraid outside their homeland. Their land is their power. No excuse like someone doesn't want you somewhere.
The hausas in Shagamu that caused that crisis, did they not stand their ground in Yoruba land to defend themselves?

The Hausas who chased away the Yorubas from their lands in Jos, are they themselves indigenes of Jos? Hell no.
The Hausas came to Jos about the same time the Yorubas, Igbos & Bendelites came for tin mining.
Most Igbos and some Bendelites fled back to the south during the civil war.

The same Yorubas who you claim they leave where they are not wanted, have they left Kano & Jos till date? Rather, they fled to stay in christian areas which the indigenes & Igbos shared their blood to protect.

Iamgrey5:
There's nothing like pro Arewa in Ilorin sir. There is a certainly pro unique identity by a few people in Ilorin. I can never deny that especially among those with mix orgins.


The Ilorin people of mix orgins became more vocal during the Saraki's era who felt carving out a unique identity would mean he will be given the kind of liberty groups like Nupe and Igala enjoys in the middle belt.


The last election shows that they are actually small in number but were made powerful simply because they always had power.

You like arguing pointlessly.
The pro mixed origin in Ilorin, are they pro arewa or pro yorubaland?

Are you aware that these people rejected and keep rejecting the proposition to create Oya state to merge Kwara and Kogi yorubas back to the southwest?
They said no inch of Ilorin emirate (Kwara central) will be added to that new state. That they are comfortable being northernerns.
It's like you are a learner oo

Most Okun and Igbomina people do not even include Ilorin anymore in the clamour for Oya state.

Iamgrey5:
No sir, Most of Alimi foot soldiers were Fulani, Bariba and Yoruba Muslims.

Imagine you even leaving out Hausas when it is very clear that Hausas from Kebbi/Sokoto axis formed a good chunk of Alimi followers and soldiers.
Abeg, I can't argue this with you.

Nowenuse:


Imagine you even leaving out Hausas when it is very clear that Hausas from Kebbi/Sokoto axis formed a good chunk of Alimi followers and soldiers.
Abeg, I can't argue this with you.

You should know that Alimi had been preaching in Yoruba land before he was asked by Afonja to help him fight Oyo and eventually defeating Oyo.

The make up of the high chiefs in the emirste should tell you something.

There two Yorubas, one Fulani and one Bariba.

Nowenuse:


You like arguing pointlessly.
The pro mixed origin in Ilorin, are they pro arewa or pro yorubaland?

Are you aware that these people rejected and keep rejecting the proposition to create Oya state to merge Kwara and Kogi yorubas back to the southwest?
They said no inch of Ilorin emirate (Kwara central) will be added to that new state. That they are comfortable being northernerns.
It's like you are a learner oo

Most Okun and Igbomina people do not even include Ilorin anymore in the clamour for Oya state.

@ bolden

They are neither bro Yoruba nor pro Arewa.

Igbominans want to form a state because they felt they are being cheated by Ilorin people, Should they then go and still invite Ilorin yet again?

Bro I don't really understand your point!

Nowenuse:


Yoruba people naturally are easily afraid outside their homeland. Their land is their power. No excuse like someone doesn't want you somewhere.
The hausas in Shagamu that caused that crisis, did they not stand their ground in Yoruba land to defend themselves?

The Hausas who chased away the Yorubas from their lands in Jos, are they themselves indigenes of Jos? Hell no.
The Hausas came to Jos about the same time the Yorubas, Igbos & Bendelites came for tin mining.
Most Igbos and some Bendelites fled back to the south during the civil war.

The same Yorubas who you claim they leave where they are not wanted, have they left Kano & Jos till date? Rather, they fled to stay in christian areas which the indigenes & Igbos shared their blood to protect

@ boldened

I have met more than four families that returned from Jos to settle back in Ibadan. You can't tell me that the numbers of Yorubas in Jos have not reduced significantly.

In Shagamu, go and ask the Hausas about some of the horrifying things they endured.

I can tell you that it would be Four times worst if Buhari wasn't president.

Iamgrey5:
There's nothing like pro Arewa in Ilorin sir. There is a certainly pro unique identity by a few people in Ilorin. I can never deny that especially among those with mix orgins.


The Ilorin people of mix orgins became more vocal during the Saraki's era who felt carving out a unique identity would mean he will be given the kind of liberty groups like Nupe and Igala enjoys in the middle belt.


The last election shows that they are actually small in number but were made powerful simply because they always had power.

Immigration of other Yorubas into Ilorin is killing the effect of the pro arewa Ilorin, or let me use the word pro caliphate Ilorins since you are arguing the previous word.

Yes you are right that Saraki family gave power to the pro caliphate Ilorins. However, I think they might have already been ever powerful.
There was a time I went through the list of the most influential Ilorin families. People who became powerful before the Saraki dynasty. They were still predominantly pro caliphate. You can clearly see their origin from their surnames.
The likes of Belgore family where Dele Belgore came from. Belgore is a pure fulani name.

Nowenuse:


Immigration of other Yorubas into Ilorin is killing the effect of the pro arewa Ilorin, or let me use the word pro caliphate Ilorins since you are arguing the previous word.

Yes you are right that Saraki family gave power to the pro caliphate Ilorins. However, I think they might have already been ever powerful.
There was a time I went through the list of the most influential Ilorin families. People who became powerful before the Saraki dynasty. They were still predominantly pro caliphate. You can clearly see their origin from their surnames.
The likes of Belgore family where Dele Belgore came from. Belgore is a pure fulani name.

Ahhh

There's a senator with the name Buhari in Oyo state

Does that make him Pro Fulani?


Belgore even lives mostly in Lagos as against Abuja.


Before Saraki, even those with clear Fulani names prefer to be called Yorubas in other to be accepted by the vast majority of Kwara people.

Iamgrey5:
@ bolden

They are neither bro Yoruba nor pro Arewa.

Igbominans want to form a state because they felt they are being cheated by Ilorin people, Should they then go and still invite Ilorin yet again?

Bro I don't really understand your point!

So you are telling us that people who are pro emirate are not pro arewa? Oga, do you know who you're arguing with?
I was a leader of the largest online middlebelt forum and we have Kwara & Kogi yorubas there. I have interracted with these people so much and know their mindset in and out.

Some of these pro emirate Ilorins even reject middlebelt identity and struggle, and claim that they are North central people instead.
This is why I said it's like you are a learner.

Oya state was meant for all Yorubas in the north-central not just Igbominas.
How many are Igbomina people to request for their own state?

Igbominas and Okuns wanted Ilorin people to join because Ilorin has always been their capital and they have so much investments and influence there. Do you know how unhappy most Okuns were when they removed them from Kwara to Kogi state?
Igbominas/Okuns also wanted Ilorin to join the new state for the sake of larger population.

Iamgrey5:
Ahhh

There's a senator with the name Buhari in Oyo state

Does that make him Pro Fulani?


Belgore even lives mostly in Lagos as against Abuja.


Before Saraki, even those with clear Fulani names prefer to be called Yorubas in other to be accepted by the vast majority of Kwara people.

Smh. Buhari is an islamic name! Belgore is not an islamic name but a pure native fulfude name. Get the difference before you argue blindly.

Saraki is the yoruba pronounciation for SARKI a pure native Hausa word.

West Central state (Old Kwara state) was not a predominantly Yoruba state at the time of creation! This was why Ebiras, Nupes and everybody else won elections.
Yorubas were like 50% or less of the state.
You had Igalas, Ebiras + Kwara north of today and Borgu people in Niger state today.

So there was never anything like being pro yoruba to be accepted by the vast majority of Kwara people. Lai lai.