Nowenuse:


So you are telling us that people who are pro emirate are not pro arewa? Oga, do you know who you're arguing with?
I was a leader of the largest online middlebelt forum and we have Kwara & Kogi yorubas there. I have interracted with these people so much and know their mindset in and out.

Some of these pro emirate Ilorins even reject middlebelt identity and struggle, and claim that they are North central people instead.
This is why I said it's like you are a learner.

Oya state was meant for all Yorubas in the north-central not just Igbominas.
How many are Igbomina people to request for their own state?

Igbominas and Okuns wanted Ilorin people to join because Ilorin has always been their capital and they have so much investments and influence there. Do you know how unhappy most Okuns were when they removed them from Kwara to Kogi state?
Igbominas/Okuns also wanted Ilorin to join the new state for the sake of larger population.

Bro, I don't know who you have been chatting with but I am very certain that you have been chatting with most pro middle belt Yorubas amongst them because most pro Yorubas would hardly join that forum to begin with.

You can take a trip to Kwara or Ilorin yourself. They are not in the majority. Many Kwarans will hardly join a pro middle belt forum to begin with.

And no sir, Igbominas and Ekitis always wanted a state where they can dominate. The only reason why they want a Oya state is to create a separate state to enable flourish.

I have a lot of friends from Igbomina area of Kwara.

Nowenuse:


Smh. Buhari is an islamic name! Belgore is not an islamic name but a pure native fulfude name. Get the difference before you argue blindly.

Saraki is the yoruba pronounciation for SARKI a pure native Hausa word.

West Central state (Old Kwara state) was not a predominantly Yoruba state at the time of creation! This was why Ebiras, Nupes and everybody else won elections.
Yorubas were like 50% or less of the state.
You had Igalas, Ebiras + Kwara north of today and Borgu people in Niger state today.

So there was never anything like being pro yoruba to be accepted by the vast majority of Kwara people. Lai lai.

Bruv bruv bruv.

Kwara had been a predominantly Yoruba state from the creation even before parts of it was cut to create Kogi state sir.


Anyone with Yoruba name readily identified as a Yoruba for favours and election.

Iamgrey5:
@ boldened

I have met more than four families that returned from Jos to settle back in Ibadan. You can't tell me that the numbers of Yorubas in Jos have not reduced significantly.

In Shagamu, go and ask the Hausas about some of the horrifying things they endured.

I can tell you that it would be Four times worst if Buhari wasn't president.

Well, I don't base in Jos so I can't tell how much it has dropped. However, the last time I entered Jos main market, I saw Yoruba muslims there.

Yoruba christians are still much in Jos, but one cannot easily tell them apart cos many of them have integrated with the indigenes.

I know that Yorubas deal with Hausas in crisis in Yoruba land, my point however is that Hausas still fight back and defend themselves.

In mile 2, did they not balance Yorubas there?

Unlike Yorubas that would be running helplessly from Hausa attackers even in areas they dominate.

Nowenuse:


Well, I don't base in Jos so I can't tell how much it has dropped. However, the last time I entered Jos main market, I saw Yoruba muslims there.

Yoruba christians are still much in Jos, but one cannot easily tell them apart cos many of them have integrated with the indigenes.

I know that Yorubas deal with Hausas in crisis in Yoruba land, my point however is that Hausas still fight back and defend themselves.

in mile 2, did they not balance Yorubas there?

Unlike Yorubas that would be running helplessly from Hausa attackers even in areas they dominate.

@ embolden

They did not balance Yoruba


We have our ways of living. We should always respect our differences.

Nowenuse :

Can't you see how you reason in a twisted way?
You picked a single sentence from my last 2 replies to Yujin to make a stupid emotional outburst. Why didn't you respond to my entire post?
You were the one who started evading my factual replies to engage in emotional outbursts, I also evade your post now to call you am emotional sissy and here you are crying foul.

Now I don't really understand what you are talking about here. You are the emotional one trying so hard to stick that tag on another.

Yujin has been responding to my detailed posts also in great detail and in a mature manner, but you, what have you done?
Menstruating sissy filled with mood swings.

Yujin is oblivious of your Igbophobic self. I'm not. I also don't have time to reply all your posts. I simply pick those I feel could be injurious on the mind of innocent Igbos out there, and puncture them.

Israel has good reasons for being hated by their neighbours. They are invaders who invaded the area. All their neighbours are mostly muslim and Arab.
This was why I asked you to tell me what common factor unites all Igbo neighbours for them to dislike Igbos?
Or did Igbos invade them in the past like Israelis did? What a stupid analogy.

Every hater always have one stupid reason or the other to justify his hate of another. Israel in ancient maps has always been in her current location, and the Arabs know that as well.

If you ask hateful groups down there in SS why they hate Igbos, they all conjure lies of Igbos invading and attempting to take over their lands during the war. You even hear stories of Igbos trying to rename Calabar to New Onitsha. These people will swear to you that they parents rightly informed them that Igbos are aggressors and Invaders who invaded and tried to claim their lands and are still on a mission to do same even today.
Ask an Ikwerre Igbo hating man, and he gives you same story of Igbo invasion of their land.

A hater will always have reasons for his hate. It's their job to hate, while it's the job of Igbos toake Igbo nation strong and immune to their hate, and we can't do this by obliterating the lines between us and Nigerians groups in the name of nonsense Christianity, because it's obvious their hate for us is not deterred by Christianity, we will be commiting group suicide by not de emphasizing on unity on basis of Christianity between us and any non Igbo group in Nigeria.

Hausa fulanis are only disliked by their christian neighbours. They are however loved by their muslim minority neighbours.
Some of these neighbours have even culturally integrated with them. Most of these minorities have their largest populations outside their homelands living in Hausa land.

More like they are feared and respected by their Muslim minorities who they have used Islam as apparatus for total subjugation against.
Have you not noticed that the Christian Northern minorities are different? Why do you think it's so. It's simply because they escaped the brainwashing that emphasizes the divinity of Hausa Fulani Islamic/political rulership the Muslim minories were exposed to from childhood.

Ndiigbo do not have such brainwashing religion to use in manipulating the Eastern minorities, even if we do, we are not culturally built for subjugation and ruling of others, we might not be saints, but we are not empire builders either.

Ebiras are one of the minority groups neighbouring Yorubas and approx 500,000 of them live in Yoruba villages all over Ondo, Ekiti, Oyo & Kwara. Many have been integrated into Yoruba culture.

Many Igala people are in Onitsha in large numbers, and many of them are indigenous to Anambra, because their migrations to this particular of Igboland was ancient.
Aba use to house a large number of Akwa ibom and Cross River people who are very much integrated into the life of the city. And many have integrated into Igbo culture there as well.
Growing up in Enugu, we have many Akwa ibomites in Enugu, but since Akwa ibom became super rich, many have left Enugu for their hometowns, Uyo or Ikot Ekpene.

Same with the Nupes (northern neighbours of Yoruba) who yorubas call Tapa.
Even Urhobos who are direct neighbours of Igbos are many in Yoruba villages settled and integrating.

There are many Isoko people who are now part and parcel of Ndokwa, they migrated to those parts since ancient times and were welcomed.

How many Igalas, Idomas, Ogojas, Ijaws, Ibibios, Ogonis, Urhobos/Isokos & Edos are settled and integrating in Igbo land?
How many of them are admitted/ employed in Igbo universities & civil services?
Did the whole Nigeria not witness Abia state govt sacking all Imo state indigenes in their civil service?

Asaba an Igbo town hosts thousands if not millions of Urhobo and Isoko people. Many Igala are in Anambra, many Ibibios are in Aba. Ijaws hardly leave Portharcourt. If Ika is counted as Igbo, then many Edos are there.

I wouldn't have the stats of how many of them are employed in civil service of Igbo states, if you have them release them or stop with the emotional narratives .
Sacking of those Imo non indigenes only means that the non Indigenes were employed by the government before and the next government will still employ more. It only shows that they have non indigenes in their civil service, contrary to your opinion.

I rebutted this by giving you Kano. The most cosmopolitan city in Nigeria after Lagos.
And I asked you, was Kano the capital of a multi ethnic state? What FG institutions were established in Kano?

And I replied that Kano like Bini was always a capital of a multi ethnic entity .
You also have to factor in the post civil war effect on Igbo cities. Enugu/Onitsha use to have huge concentration of non Igbo migrants but these cities got levelled during the war, non Igbos went home, and they(Igbo cities) just didn't offer same economic opportunities they once offered before the war, unlike other Nigerian cities. Igbos were forced to rebuild them alone with no special funds for rebuilding and rehabilitation by the FG. Even many Igbos had to leave our cities after the war in search of opportunities that didn't exist back home, how much more non Igbos.

Many Urhobos in SW are there for farming. Igboland is relatively small, we don't have enough farmlands for ourselves, pray tell how can we offer such to non Igbos?

Problem is that you and your ilks are simply not interested in realities, you are tainted by your Igbo prejudices and I simply can't help you.

Pointless rants from a teenage girl menstruating for the first time
I have been on nairaland for more than 6 years, but that is very pointless.

Lol! Comedian. You go about flexing your muscles, I back you to a corner, and you come up with this emotional drivel.

See, I have never begged Igbos anywhere in the name of christianity. It was an Igbo person that first made the comment here that christians are suffering in Nigeria because of neglect of Igbos. All I did was to corroborate the statement, but you are now talking rubbish as if I opened a thread to start begging Igbos in the name of christianity.

You are here spewing and promoting hatred against people who are accommodating and hosting millions of your people in their lands and giving them academic and job opportunities in their states whereas your own people do not give shii to anybody else.

Igbo people can freely live, do business and succeed in most parts of Jos & Kaduna cities because of my people who have bled keeping these places.
Do you know that the same Igbos still betray our people sometimes? Hausa-fulanis know that our people will never sell lands for them, so they sometimes use Igbo middlemen to get these lands.

An Igbo man killed his Ijaw girlfriend in Bayelsa and the Ijaw natives went on an attack and looting spree against Igbo traders. Have you ever heard anything of such thing in our territories? Yet you guys still beg and stand behind Ijaws to your cause.

Middlebelters have openly apologized for their role in the Nigerian civil war against Biafrans, the Niger deltan minorities and even the Ikwerres & Ikas whom you guys beg to join your fold, none of these people have apologized for their roles in the sabotage of Biafra and abandoned property saga.
Na our body una dey get power ba?

Our people have never begged Igbos to help us fight our battles and we will never do so by the grace of God.
However, Igbos have paid for our battles.
Do you remember the Yelwa-Shendam 2006 crisis in Plateau state where Hausa muslims were dealt with and driven out from Shendam LGA in their thousands? Guess what? Hausa fulani muslims in Kano could not bare it anymore and they descended on christians in Kano state of which Igbos were the major victims.
Of course, Igbos are the most easily identifiable christians in the core-north. Most of my people who live in the core-north can easily blend in and escape being identified.

Only very very foolish people spread hatred to people who host your people in millions and people whose actions and inactions directly affect millions of your people.

My advice for you is to first of all campaign for all Igbos to leave other parts of Nigeria and return back home, then you can go ahead and spew all the hatred you have in you against these tribes.
Your failure to do this and your continous spewing of hate makes you a suicide bomber to your own people

I am simply making sure no Igbo go seeking for non existent allies in Minorities up North or down south, in the name of Christianity. I will do everything to frustrate any Igbo or non trying to link Igbo with non Igbos in North or down south. No harm meant.

Lol! I spew no hatred. I'm only watching out for my people. You gain as much from Igbo communities in your areas as much as they gain from you. Igbo migrants are valuable members of your community contributing both skilled and non skilled labour, what more, they invest alot of their proceeds in your cities and towns and most importantly, they have no interest in becoming indigenous to your lands, because an Igbo only consider himself indigenous to Igboland, unlike your Hausa Fulani brothers who intend turning your lands to Hausaland.
So you don't speak like you are doing Igbo migrants a favor. All they have in your cities, they bought with their money, even the government jobs in most cases, they bought them off from your indigenes who sell them off to highest bidders.

As for the SS minorities, you need to go through my post history to know what I think about them and IPOB annoying idea of a Biafra with them. You must have mistaken me for Ipobian. Well I'm not, and I don't see them any different from the rest of Nigeria, as far as sentiments towards the Igbo is concerned, Nigerians both North, South and West, Muslims or Christians, Minorities or majority, etc, are no different, and when an Igbo makes peace with this reality, he becomes politically liberated.

Iamgrey5:
@ embolden

They did not balance Yoruba


We have our ways of living. We should always respect our differences.

Lolzzz

Iamgrey5:
Bro, I don't know who you have been chatting with but I am very certain that you have been chatting with most pro middle belt Yorubas amongst them because most pro Yorubas would hardly join that forum to begin with.

You can take a trip to Kwara or Ilorin yourself. They are not in the majority. Many Kwarans will hardly join a pro middle belt forum to begin with.

And no sir, Igbominas and Ekitis always wanted a state where they can dominate. The only reason why they want a Oya state is to create a separate state to enable flourish.

I have a lot of friends from Igbomina area of Kwara.

Most Yorubas of Kwara south do not even know that they are classified as Northerners politically.
The ones who are aware try to identify with the middlebelt, not because they like it but rather because to them, being a middlebelter is better than being an Arewa.
Now, for you to see a Yoruba speaking Kwaran who rejects the middlebelt identity because he prefers to be called a Northerner tells you how pro arewa and pro caliphate such people are.

Or are you telling me that people who prefer Arewa identity over middlebelt identity will prefer a Southern identity if the option comes?

Sometimes I wonder if you are even reading your own lines of argument.


Oya state agitation has always been addressed as a state to unite the Yoruba speaking people of the north central! It never talks about Igbomina or Okun! Although it is mostly championed by the Igbominas!

Igbominas dominate only 4 LGAs in Kwara state. If Oya state was just about them, where will their capital be? Ajase or Omu Aran? Or will the capital be in Kabba?
Offa the largest town in Kwara south is not even an Igbomina town.

Igbominas cannot request for a state of their own which they hope to dominate.
The Okuns, Ekitis & Ibolos must be part of it.

Iamgrey5:
Bruv bruv bruv.

Kwara had been a predominantly Yoruba state from the creation even before parts of it was cut to create Kogi state sir.


Anyone with Yoruba name readily identified as a Yoruba for favours and election.

Does the population of Igbominas, Ibolos, Okuns and Ekitis (of Kwara) outnumber that of Igalas, Ebiras & Nupe/Bariba/Borgu (niger) combined?

West-central state could never have been predominantly Yoruba at creation. It was after Igalas left the state that it became slightly predominantly Yoruba.

Did an Ebira man not become the first elected governor of Kwara state? How did this happen with your so called 'General Yoruba acceptance all over Kwara'?

Nowenuse:


Most Yorubas of Kwara south do not even know that they are classified as Northerners politically.
The ones who are aware try to identify with the middlebelt, not because they like it but rather because to them, being a middlebelter is better than being an Arewa.
Now, for you to see a Yoruba speaking Kwaran who rejects the middlebelt identity because he prefers to be called a Northerner tells you how pro arewa and pro caliphate such people are.

Or are you telling me that people who prefer Arewa identity over middlebelt identity will prefer a Southern identity if the option comes?

Sometimes I wonder if you are even reading your own lines of argument.


Oya state agitation has always been addressed as a state to unite the Yoruba speaking people of the north central! It never talks about Igbomina or Okun! Although it is mostly championed by the Igbominas!

Igbominas dominate only 4 LGAs in Kwara state. If Oya state was just about them, where will their capital be? Ajase or Omu Aran? Or will the capital be in Kabba?
Offa the largest town in Kwara south is not even an Igbomina town.

Igbominas cannot request for a state of their own which they hope to dominate.
The Okuns, Ekitis & Ibolos must be part of it.

First of all, why will any Yoruba from Kwara who prefers to be identify as a Yoruba join "the biggest forum for middle belt in the first place"

It's only those who are against a South western identity that would leave an oduduwa Facebook page and even prefer to join your group in a bid to forge a unique identity.

Most Kwarans who readily identify as Yorubas would join a Yoruba group rather than rbiggest forum for middle belt.

I realize you always want to argue that Kwarans see themselves as northerners on this forum, but I don't really understand why.


Moving on,

The Yorubas still make 20% of Kogi population today and are 75% of Yoruba today (even using your own record). The Igalas make up 40% of kogi(Not withstanding a substantial selection of that came of from Benue). The Igbiras only make up 30% while Nupe and rest make less than 10%

Hence, it is safe to project that with 75% of current Kwara and 20% of okun, Yorubas should make a substantial number of about 50% or 60% of old kogi.

Nowenuse:


Yoruba people naturally are easily afraid outside their homeland. Their land is their power. No excuse like someone doesn't want you somewhere.
The hausas in Shagamu that caused that crisis, did they not stand their ground in Yoruba land to defend themselves?

The Hausas who chased away the Yorubas from their lands in Jos, are they themselves indigenes of Jos? Hell no.
The Hausas came to Jos about the same time the Yorubas, Igbos & Bendelites came for tin mining.
Most Igbos and some Bendelites fled back to the south during the civil war.

The same Yorubas who you claim they leave where they are not wanted, have they left Kano & Jos till date? Rather, they fled to stay in christian areas which the indigenes & Igbos shared their blood to protect.

I think the hausas came to jos first before any southern tribe based on archival records

Nowenuse:


I never said all the Benins overseas were into prostitution. What I said was that prostitution was the original intent for the majority of your ladies who travelled abroad. Or do you want to dispute this?
Most of them after prostituting their way to financial freedom of course begin normal lives, get married, have children, invite their siblings over through more legal means and some even become very successful there.

Igbos and Yorubas mostly travelled abroad for education and asylum seeking. Those who travel for drugs and internet fraud are in the minority and began later on after the first set.

Edo ladies are now taking prostitution to other west african nations like Mali, Ghana, Burkina Faso e.t.c or will you deny this one too?

Benin became a large urban center largely because it was the first capital city of an independent minority region (since 1964). No sane mind will ever attribute it to an innovative nature from the Benin natives. Otherwise, with all the Benin diaspora, how well is the city faring today when it comes to innovation?

You are listing airports, federal universities, museum. Things built by the federal and state govts which other states also have? Even Jigawa state which most Nigerians cannot locate on a map has an international airport that is far superior to the Benin airport.

There are 2 private universities in Benin land and this is the only area I'd say the Benins are trying, however one of them is owned by the corrupt Igbenedion family. This family also owns Kada (the now 2nd best shopping mall/eatery/cinema).
Market square which is owned by an Anioma man is now the number 1 destination in Benin.
Filmhouse cinemas & Nadia Bakery/shopping mall in Uniben area are not owned by Benins.
Phil Hallmark is the only reputable venture I know in Benin owned by a Benin man who doesn't have questionable money.

Maybe you can list the reputable ventures established by the Benin diaspora.

I lived in Benin for almost 10 years and I usually see these Benin diaspora who sometimes return home. You find them with dirty bleached skin and tattoos, ear rings and multiple piercings in their ears, nose and mouth. That is all they do.
Of course, there are reasonable ones among them, but the unreasonable ones are the overwhelming majority.

If the Benins were a very enterprising and innovative people. Benin would have been a hub of innovation in Nigeria. The Benin diaspora would have been bringing back home so much innovation from abroad.
This also clearly proves the fact that most Benins abroad did not come from educated backgrounds who went abroad for a better education. Rather cultists and prostitutes who trekked across the sahara and through the meditarranean sea.

You are comparing Ijaw militancy with Edo prostitution, trafficking and witchcraft?
Militancy was born out of the desire to self determination and assertion of self rights.

says someone from a tribe with less than 10,000 population.isn't Pyam your ethnic group again?.

Infact add all plateau tribes together and they are not more developed than the Benin's.

Astark:
says someone from a tribe with less than 10,000 population.isn't Pyam your ethnic group again?.

Infact add all plateau tribes together and they are not more developed than the Benin's.

There is no ethnic group in Nigeria with 10,000 people, stop being silly.

Besides, I never bragged about my people. Benins are the ones doing the bragging here. Bragging which they cannot prove.

garfield1:

I think the hausas came to jos first before any southern tribe based on archival records

Hausa fulani Danfodio jihadists invaded Jos-Plateau in the 19th century and they were defeated and sent away.
It was the coming of the British and colonialism that brought them back. Tin mining. Anyone telling you anything other than this is very ignorant.
Hausas, Igbos, Yorubas and everyone else were welcomed to work in the tin mines at the same time from the early 20th century.

Iamgrey5:
First of all, why will any Yoruba from Kwara who prefers to be identify as a Yoruba join "the biggest forum for middle belt in the first place"

It's only those who are against a South western identity that would leave an oduduwa Facebook page and even prefer to join your group in a bid to forge a unique identity.

Most Kwarans who readily identify as Yorubas would join a Yoruba group rather than rbiggest forum for middle belt.

I realize you always want to argue that Kwarans see themselves as northerners on this forum, but I don't really understand why.

You are fond of creating argument where they don't exist by quoting someone out of context.

How can I ever say that most Kwarans see themselves as northerners? That would obviously be a lie.
I was referring to Ilorin indigenes alone (especially the pro-caliphate ones).
The middlebelt movement is against Fulani emirates in the region, now do you think any reasonable pro-emirate Ilorin person would support something like that?

No matter how much you Yorubas think you can deny and wish away the existence of Pro-caliphate Ilorin indigenes, it will never change the reality and existence of these people. It's a fight you guys must be ready to face with the caliphate!
Telling everybody else how the Emir of Ilorin speaks Yoruba and how they answer Yoruba names is very very inconsequential.

Moving on,

The Yorubas still make 20% of Kogi population today and are 75% of Yoruba today (even using your own record). The Igalas make up 40% of kogi(Not withstanding a substantial selection of that came of from Benue). The Igbiras only make up 30% while Nupe and rest make less than 10%

Hence, it is safe to project that with 75% of current Kwara and 20% of okun, Yorubas should make a substantial number of about 50% or 60% of old kogi.

Kogi as a state today has far more indigenes than Kwara state.
Now, compare 80% of Kogi state (non Yorubas) against 75% of Kwara state (Yorubas). Then bring in the people of Borgu LGA in Niger state.
Haba, wetin you still dey argue my brother?!

Ehen, you just reminded me. Abaji LGA of FCT was formerly part of old Kwara state too before it was cut off into FCT.
Abaji is made up of Gbagyis & Egburas (Ebira koto). Add them and still open your mouth to argue that Yorubas were the majority when Kwara state was first created.
Infact if care is not taken, Yorubas would be less than 40% of old Kwara state (West-central state) at the time of creation.

The population of Igalas & Ebiras of Kogi can clearly neutralize the Yorubas of Kwara today with a significant remainder.
Okuns & Nupe/Bariba of Kwara north + Ogori Magongo can neutralize each other.
Then by the time you bring in Borgu & Abaji people, it is a clear knockout for Yorubas na.

See, if you don't have good solid and strong facts, don't argue with somebody like me cos I will just end up disgracing you as I will be remembering more facts. I don't mean to brag.

You can ask my Oshuku friend cc Deadlytruth if you want to know more about me and how I silence and disgrace people with hard facts as arguments go on.

You can see, you just reminded me of Abaji people in FCT. I have forgotten them before.

Nowenuse:


There is no ethnic group in Nigeria with 10,000 people, stop being silly.

Besides, I never bragged about my people. Benins are the ones doing the bragging here. Bragging which they cannot prove.

I thought you said Pyam is your tribe name? Ipand according to wikipedia it has less than 10,000 in population.

pazienza:
Nowenuse :

Now I don't really understand what you are talking about here. You are the emotional one trying so hard to stick that tag on another.

Hahaha, don't be ashamed of who you are. You are the one using cheap emotional blackmails to get likes from your fellow Igbos by claiming everyone hates Igbos, everyone wants to kill Igbos, everyone wishes Igbos evil and everyone wants to victimize Igbos.

You make all these sissy emotional claims here meanwhile millions of your Igbo kinsmen are enjoying their lives in other parts of the country, interelating, integrating, intermarrying, having it so good and never wish to go back to stay in the SE, no matter the unfortunate circumstances they encounter in those places.

Who then is the emotional wreck between you and I?

Yujin is oblivious of your Igbophobic self. I'm not. I also don't have time to reply all your posts. I simply pick those I feel could be injurious on the mind of innocent Igbos out there, and puncture them.

Yujin is a more mature and enlightened individual. He has lived and grown up with other Nigerians and understands people better unlike you who has probably lived all your life in Nkpor and when you travelled out for the first time and saw muslims you were having cultural shocks to the extent that you concluded that places that were muslim minority were muslim enclaves . You argued on this unrepentently until we busted you and you crawled back into your hole. Only to come back with heightened emotions, moodswings and conspiracy theories like someone who just saw a ghost

Since you pick only some part of my points to respond to, why then were you complaining when I ignored your points as well and called you out for the emotional sissy that you were?

Every hater always have one stupid reason or the other to justify his hate of another. Israel in ancient maps has always been in her current location, and the Arabs know that as well.

Israel in ancient maps? There are ancient maps showing almost everybody everywhere. Everybody came from somewhere and always lived somewhere else.
It's just like all races of the world coming back to Africa to fight for it, afterall all humans originated from Africa at one point in time.

If you ask hateful groups down there in SS why they hate Igbos, they all conjure lies of Igbos invading and attempting to take over their lands during the war. You even hear stories of Igbos trying to rename Calabar to New Onitsha. These people will swear to you that they parents rightly informed them that Igbos are aggressors and Invaders who invaded and tried to claim their lands and are still on a mission to do same even today.
Ask an Ikwerre Igbo hating man, and he gives you same story of Igbo invasion of their land.

All these people will also tell you how selfish, discriminating, unacommodating, unwelcoming, domineering, arrogant, loud, harsh, unfriendly, bragging and fraudulent Igbos are.

A hater will always have reasons for his hate. It's their job to hate, while it's the job of Igbos toake Igbo nation strong and immune to their hate, and we can't do this by obliterating the lines between us and Nigerians groups in the name of nonsense Christianity, because it's obvious their hate for us is not deterred by Christianity, we will be commiting group suicide by not de emphasizing on unity on basis of Christianity between us and any non Igbo group in Nigeria.

Well, I guess you can start this by talking to Nnamdi Kanu. The most respected and followed Igbo leader.
He included other christian minorities in his struggle.
He has supporters among these christian minorities and with time, the support base will grow as people become more aware of how unworkable Nigeria is.

More like they are feared and respected by their Muslim minorities who they have used Islam as apparatus for total subjugation against.
Have you not noticed that the Christian Northern minorities are different? Why do you think it's so. It's simply because they escaped the brainwashing that emphasizes the divinity of Hausa Fulani Islamic/political rulership the Muslim minories were exposed to from childhood.

No, you are wrong. Northern muslim minorities do not just accept Hausas based on fear.
Hausa fulanis accept you and take you as one of their own as long as you are a muslim and you can speak Hausa.
This was why a Nupe man and a Bura man have been governors of Kano state! I'm even hearing rumors that the former gov of Bauchi state was an Ebira man.
I have muslim cousins who got scholarships from Katsina state govt just because they are muslims and they understand Hausa.
Many people don't know that Tafawa Balewa was never a Hausa man, he is from one of those minority Bauchi tribes.

Hausa fulanis base their unity on religion and this is why Northern christians could never fit into this identity, hence the clashes.
Like I tell my Plateau, Southern Kaduna & Taraba people, had it been we were muslims, we would have been Hausanized by now and been no different from the Hausa fulanis we oppose.

Ndiigbo do not have such brainwashing religion to use in manipulating the Eastern minorities, even if we do, we are not culturally built for subjugation and ruling of others, we might not be saints, but we are not empire builders either.

@ bolded sums it up.
Igbos never had the mentality of empire building. The idea of multi-ethnic kingdoms was never an Igbo thing. This is why Igbos are very clannish and petty in this regard.
This is the reason why Ngwa people will reject an Mbaise catholic priest as their head.

So you people should stop crying how everybody else hates you guys when you know you cannot do what others who receive love and support from their neighbours are doing.

Your kind of decentralized and clannish culture has it's own unique advantages that come with it. Embrace it as a consolation or learn to do what the others do.
Igbos want to eat their cake and have it.

Many Igala people are in Onitsha in large numbers, and many of them are indigenous to Anambra, because their migrations to this particular of Igboland was ancient.
Aba use to house a large number of Akwa ibom and Cross River people who are very much integrated into the life of the city. And many have integrated into Igbo culture there as well.
Growing up in Enugu, we have many Akwa ibomites in Enugu, but since Akwa ibom became super rich, many have left Enugu for their hometowns, Uyo or Ikot Ekpene.

The SE is not a 100% homogenous region. Of course there are settlers, just that the numbers are very few and insignificant when compared with other regions.

There are many Isoko people who are now part and parcel of Ndokwa, they migrated to those parts since ancient times and were welcomed.

Asaba an Igbo town hosts thousands if not millions of Urhobo and Isoko people. Many Igala are in Anambra, many Ibibios are in Aba. Ijaws hardly leave Portharcourt. If Ika is counted as Igbo, then many Edos are there.

SS Igbos do not have the same mentality with those of you in the SE. This is the reason why some of them reject Igbo identity.
These ones are more accommodating, more liberal, more respectful, less domineering. Very different.
Besides Asaba is the capital of Urhobo/Isoko people, why shouldn't they be there?

The relationship between Ndokwas & their Urhobo/Isoko neighbours is one that exists everywhere. These people have been mixing up with each other since ancient times just as Igala & Nsukkas have been doing or Aro & Ibibios have been doing. This example does not apply here at all. This is an example of mixed communities along border/boundary areas.

I wouldn't have the stats of how many of them are employed in civil service of Igbo states, if you have them release them or stop with the emotional narratives .
Sacking of those Imo non indigenes only means that the non Indigenes were employed by the government before and the next government will still employ more. It only shows that they have non indigenes in their civil service, contrary to your opinion.

Hahaha, you think you are talking to a child abi?

Unfortunately for you, I am from a Northern minority and I grew up in Southern minority lands.
So, I know the people of both groups like the back of my palm. How many of our people are admitted in Igbo universities?
All my life in the Niger delta & Middlebelt, I have only come across one minority person who schooled in the SE.
If our people are not given admissions, then I wonder if it is the civil service of the SE they will be employed to.

And I replied that Kano like Bini was always a capital of a multi ethnic entity .

Do you just like disgracing yourself or what? When was Kano the capital of a multi-ethnic entity? Are Jigawa people in Old Kano state the multi ethnic entity? Was Kano the capital of old northern region? Hell no! It was Kaduna.
Kano was not even the seat of the caliphate, but just a regular emirate or Hausa kingdom city like others before colonialism.
So, I beg you before all the members of nairaland, can you tell us what multi-ethnic entity Kano was the capital of?

Your failure to do this makes you makes you nothing short of an Ignoramus of gargantuan proportions who needs to hide his face in shame!

You also have to factor in the post civil war effect on Igbo cities. Enugu/Onitsha use to have huge concentration of non Igbo migrants but these cities got levelled during the war, non Igbos went home, and they(Igbo cities) just didn't offer same economic opportunities they once offered before the war, unlike other Nigerian cities. Igbos were forced to rebuild them alone with no special funds for rebuilding and rehabilitation by the FG. Even many Igbos had to leave our cities after the war in search of opportunities that didn't exist back home, how much more non Igbos.

This is a point but is not good enough cos Onitsha and Enugu are not the only SE cities.

Also, there are cities all over Nigeria which began from the scratch after that civil war but today have a good degree of cosmopolitanism.

Many Urhobos in SW are there for farming. Igboland is relatively small, we don't have enough farmlands for ourselves, pray tell how can we offer such to non Igbos?

This is a good point which I accept.
However even with the little one has, he can do something no matter how little.
There are about a million Ebiras, Urhobos and others farming in Eastern Yoruba land. Yoruba land is about 100,000km². Igbo land is about 40,000km².
Now, can we get even at least 50,000 settlers farming in Igbo land? No.
Igbos place excessive importance on land if you ask me.

Problem is that you and your ilks are simply not interested in realities, you are tainted by your Igbo prejudices and I simply can't help you.

What are these realities? Realities that tens of millions of Nigerias from different religions, ethnic groups and regions cannot see?
How true are those reasons that only you can see them?

Lol! Comedian. You go about flexing your muscles, I back you to a corner, and you come up with this emotional drivel.

Accept who you are or continue engaging me on this debate with facts and good points!
Your option to go about crying for sympathy about how everyone is against you and wants to kill your people reaffirms who you truly are (a teenage girl menstruating ceaselessly

I am simply making sure no Igbo go seeking for non existent allies in Minorities up North or down south, in the name of Christianity. I will do everything to frustrate any Igbo or non trying to link Igbo with non Igbos in North or down south. No harm meant.

Like I said, talk to Nnamdi Kanu first or begin your own movement and let it gain the support of the majority. Cos as it stands, many Igbos are very comfortable with the idea of possible allies across Nigeria.

Lol! I spew no hatred. I'm only watching out for my people. You gain as much from Igbo communities in your areas as much as they gain from you. Igbo migrants are valuable members of your community contributing both skilled and non skilled labour, what more, they invest alot of their proceeds in your cities and towns and most importantly, they have no interest in becoming indigenous to your lands, because an Igbo only consider himself indigenous to Igboland, unlike your Hausa Fulani brothers who intend turning your lands to Hausaland.
So you don't speak like you are doing Igbo migrants a favor. All they have in your cities, they bought with their money, even the government jobs in most cases, they bought them off from your indigenes who sell them off to highest bidders.

Had it been Nigeria had a very high and effective system of taxation through which Igbo migrants are taxed heavily through their noses, then I would say Igbos were giving more to these places than they are receiving. But we do not because of oil money shared from Abuja. So as it stands, Igbos gain more from these places than they give in return.
I heard there was a time when Plateau state tax people went to meet Igbo traders in Jos for tax and these Igbo traders beat them up and chased them away. Did the indigenes retaliate that? Can Igbos try such a thing with Ikwerre or Ijaw people in PH and go free?
Abuja LGAs increased their tax one time with about 1k or thereabout and Igbo traders lead series of protests against this.
Igbos buy lands in these places at give away prices, something they can never dream to get in their homelands. They get very cheap labour. In my state, nothing like community money you have to keep on paying the community youths of that area for every step you take in building your own house.

Igbo business men with their huge capital go to meet the poor natives of a place and buy huge swathes of their lands at a give away price. Something they will never get in their homeland. Then they start reselling these lands at exorbitant prices few years later.
This was exactly what happened in the area I lived in Warri.

In Nigeria we don't pay for landed or property tax. If we were doing that and these Igbos had to pay through their noses to the state govts for the large swathes of lands and houses they own, then we would have said Igbos contribute to these places.

In the case of Yorubas who have Iyalojas, Babalojas, Agberos, Omoniles, Owomidas and the Deve people of the Niger delta, I'd say Igbos contribute to these areas to an extent, but for we in the middlebelt & north where almost everything is at a give away price, we are loosing more than we are giving. This is why my generation will start changing these things very soon.

Igbos don't bring any stupid skills to our areas. Most of them trade.
Let's even assume they bring skills. Did anybody beg them for this? Will the natives cease to exist without these so called skills?
As for civil service work being bought by Igbos, well, maybe in the SS & SW, but not in my own area.

So I am really really yet to see how Igbos give back to these places compared to the good and profit they get in return.

Astark:
I thought you said Pyam is your tribe name? Ipand according to wikipedia it has less than 10,000 in population.

According to Wikipedia? Wikipedia that anyone can edit at anytime? Are you even a knowledgeable person at all?
Even the smallest tribe in Plateau state has at least 50,000 people yet my tribe is among the 10 largest in Plateau state. Besides, that is not the name of my tribe.

Nowenuse:


According to Wikipedia? Wikipedia that anyone can edit at anytime? Are you even a knowledgeable person at all?
Even the smallest tribe in Plateau state has at least 50,000 people yet my tribe is among the 10 largest in Plateau state. Besides, that is not the name of my tribe.

oya what's the name of your tribe?

I know you will never reply back because you are ashme of it

What is needed is Oduduwa, Biafra, Arewa...


All this talk is a waste of time

Nowenuse:


Very soon, yorubas and Igbos on this thread will combine to eat me raw

I think the only time I remember calling Yorubas cowards is in the case of Jos crisis. Of course, it was the truth.
Yorubas never defend themselves against Hausa-fulanis in the north, but Igbos do.

Nasarawa Gong area of Jos has been settled by Yorubas since precolonial times. That was the land the British gave to Yoruba tin mining workers.
Yorubas easily lost this place to Hausas in the Jos crisis without a showdown.

Look at Sabongari in Kano. It is the safe haven for non indigenes in Kano city. It happened because of the Igbos.
Hausa muslims cannot invade that place no matter what happens. There was an area that used to be dominated by Yorubas in Kano (I've forgotten the name). That area was almost wiped out when Hausas attacked Yorubas in retaliation for the Shagamu crisis.

Can you explain this to me?

No one can't eat you raw if you always hold on to facts well presented. I'm enjoying your responses to the Yoruba guys. They can't accept that lots of the lies they've been peddling has been busted. Carry go. I'll still respond to some of your comments.

Iamgrey5:
It's strange for people to understand our nature.

Yorubas wouldn't ever drag any land with anyone outside Yoruba land, hence it's a bit strange when we find others (mainly igbos) extremely comfortable calling our land no man's land.

In south Africa, all those that have been killed according to records are igbos but an equal numbers of Yorubas and igbos repratriated because Yorubas will never drag any land that they believe doesn't necessarily belong to them.

Simply put, we leave where we are not wanted.

However, in Nigerian history when it comes to fighting for our right in our land, we have never shown any sign of cowardness.

Lol. That's not the truth. So, do you mean Igbos are dragging lands that doesn't belong to them? See, you must learn to accept the truth and work on how to correct unpleasant histories. Yorubas failed to defend the territories they rightly owned after they bought the lands. That was cowardice. Nassarawa Gwong isn't Hausaland either but the Hausas displaced the Yorubas there. Igbos know very well to defend their sweat when it is possible to defend. Spare us the sermon.

MelesZenawi:



The states of returnees are – Abia – 7, Anambra 13, Benue 1, Delta 15, Ebonyi 2, Edo 13, Ekiti 6 and Enugu 7.
Others are Imo 28, Kogi 1, Kwara 3, Lagos 7, Ogun 30, Osun 6, Ondo 6 and Oyo 23.


SW=78 + kwara =81
SE= 51

How are these equal numbers.


You guys will never change

https://thenationonlineng.net/ogun-tops-list-of-south-african-returnees/


This first list was the reason abike Dabiri refuses to release the second list because Yorubas are much even in the second list.


Had it been Igbos was much she will rush to release the list and even give press Statement.

LWKMD . First time I'll approve of Mr. Impostor's comment.

pazienza:

As for the SS minorities, you need to go through my post history to know what I think about them and IPOB annoying idea of a Biafra with them. You must have mistaken me for Ipobian. Well I'm not, and I don't see them any different from the rest of Nigeria, as far as sentiments towards the Igbo is concerned, Nigerians both North, South and West, Muslims or Christians, Minorities or majority, etc, are no different, and when an Igbo makes peace with this reality, he becomes politically liberated.

You are not an IPob, well form your own group so that the world knows who you are, let's see how many followers you get.
I may not like everything that Nnamdi Kanu is doing, but I support him passively. I have a soft spot for him and possibly in the future, my passive support may change to a very active one.
If I can't join him, I will create mine and probably partner with him since we have similar interests.

People like you can never be successful leaders of a country because you will just lead your people to early destruction.

I am not in anyway begging Igbos for an alliance or wish Igbos begged anyone for an alliance.

However, common sense should tell us, as well as history has showed us that even the worst enemies become allies when their interests are alligned.

The West saw to the dissolution and destruction of the Ottoman empire, but for many decades and till today, Turkey and the West have become best of friends. Why? Because of Russia. They have a common threat in Russia.

USA nuked hundreds of thousands of Japanese to death, but today Japan & USA are lovers. Why? A common threat in China.

Islamic terrorism sponsoring PAKISTAN and muslim persecuting CHINA today are bedfellows. Why? A common threat in India.

Only emotional sissies think they cannot work with people who have similar interests with them because these people have hurt them in the past. Leaders of nations do not think in this petty manner.

One thing I have noticed about many Igbos is that some of you are not practical. You are too emotional. You allow emotions lead you more than practicality.

Fulanis know that on their own they cannot dominate Nigeria, this was why they latched on Hausas in a form of symbiotic relationship. Most of us think it is a purely parasitic relationship which the fulanis are the sole beneficiaries, but it is actually a symbiotic one.

With the Hausas, the Hausa-fulani alliance now comands like 30% of Nigeria. They know it still isn't enough, hence they use Islam and regionalism and with this they almost command 50% or more of Nigeria.

Even at this, they know it still isn't enough and this is why they are always looking for allies in the south and will do everything to make sure the Yorubas & Igbos never unite.

I often wondered how come we never hear anything like Hausa women association, Fulani traders group, Hausa students association or Hausa national group. It is always we AREWA or we NORTH or we MUSLIMS.
Whenever these people talk or do things, they never mention their ethnic groups. It is always a regional or religious identity that groups many people together.

Kanuris use to hate and disagree with Hausa-fulani right from history where they defeated Danfodio, but today, even they have been absorbed into the we AREWA or we MUSLIMS identity.

This is the way these people get their power. It is not magic or science fiction.

World politics from all the continents has shown us that a group of people (minority) in a country who are just 10- 20% of the country can make all the noise they want, but they will forever remain suppressed and even silenced in some cases unless if they have a stronger neighbour or international power backing them.

Igbos on their own are just around 20% of Nigeria. This is why I just look and shake my head when some of them threaten to pull down Nigeria and get Biafra with so much hopes, telling you that Biafra is coming tomorrow .
Without any other allies in the country, without a supporting neighbouring country and without an international superpower. Without even the political power of your region.
Only God knows how they intend to do that. Some think it will happen by reaching out to the UN. When some countries in charge of the UN have their own minorities they suppress & silence to keep their countries one.

Had it been Igbo land was even like the SS that has a very large coastline and difficult terrain (swampy creeks & islands), or like the Middlebelt with very large swathes of lands with difficult terrain (mountains), it could have been very advantageous to you guys if you declare war on Nigeria.
Igbo land on the other hand is a very small and landlocked region where almost all the towns are connected and can easily be rounded up within a short period.

Even when the agitating minority of a country are up to 30% of the country, they can still be suppressed.
However, when it gets to 40 or 50% it becomes a very big problem. How does one nation suppress half of it's population succesfully?

I have seen that Nigeria the way it is, it is not favorable for my people and if things continue this way, we may also tow the part of seccession.
On our own, this would be very impossible. Hence we will look for allies within and outside Nigeria and try to take charge of the politics in our region. Very simple solution. Not by being unnecessarily emotional.

We have our landmass to use to our advantage, but we do not have access to the sea and this is one thing that will kill us easily, unless Cameroon is fully by our side.
This is why we must seek alliance with the SS & SE if we must ever achieve our aims.

Igbos on your own you can never shake or even scratch Nigeria one bit. You can only make noise. And with the way things are going sef, that ability to make noise within Nigeria could be taken away.

Yorubas have found love with the core-north and not until there is a bitter divorce, they will never make a move of self assertion.
The only possible allies of Igbos within Nigeria are the Niger-deltans & middlebelters/christian northernerns.
Politically, the 3 of us have been voting in one direction for the last couple of years. We all have bad relationship with the core-north. We are mostly christians.
We ourselves, we are not the best of friends, we have our differences with each other, but if we have common interests, there is every gain in exploring this, instead of us to keep dwelling on bitter pasts while the caliphate grows every day in population.
Very soon, with our lower birthrates and emigration, the caliphate will grow so large in population that with our without anybody else, they will win elections and nothing will happen.

Then, all this yanga we are making now of who to vote and who not to vote, who to like and who to dislike will be gone.

My advice to you Pazienza is not to be an agent to aid the final destruction of your people. Common sense is not always common.
Igbos and other people must not be soulmates for them to work together. As long as they have common interests, they can work together.

John Danfulani, a renowned leader of Southern Kaduna people went to Nnamdi Kanu 2 years ago to say his people will join Biafra. Kanu accepted him.
There are 5 million indigenes of Southern Kaduna and none of them came out to criticize or antagonize John Danfulani.

If all middlebelt tribes or even only the christian ones unite for a cause behind Biafra or seccession with another name, most Niger deltans will join the cause too, cause their fears of an Igbo dominated Biafra will fly out the window.

Now, the combination of a middlebelt with large landmass, a Niger delta with large coastline/sea access and SE with large population and individual capital.
Nigeria can never stop such a movement. It would be impossible. Don't be an obstacle to such a union, because with the way things are going in Nigeria, it will happen very soon.


Cc Yujin, oilPUSSY, selemempe, gidygiddy

Astark:
oya what's the name of your tribe?

I know you will never reply back because you are ashme of it

Can you tell me how the name of my tribe fits into this thread? Are we contesting for the 4th largest population in Nigeria?

Astark:
says someone from a tribe with less than 10,000 population.isn't Pyam your ethnic group again?.

Infact add all plateau tribes together and they are not more developed than the Benin's.

His identity is not the argument here. Face him with superior points. Trying to clutch at straws.

Nowenuse:


You are not an IPob, well form your own group so that the world knows who you are, let's see how many followers you get.
I may not like everything that Nnamdi Kanu is doing, but I support him passively. I have a soft spot for him and possibly in the future, my passive support may change to a very active one.
If I can't join him, I will create mine and probably partner with him since we have similar interests.

People like you can never be successful leaders of a country because you will just lead your people to early destruction.

I am not in anyway begging Igbos for an alliance or wish Igbos begged anyone for an alliance.

However, common sense should tell us, as well as history has showed us that even the worst enemies become allies when their interests are alligned.

The West saw to the dissolution and destruction of the Ottoman empire, but for many decades and till today, Turkey and the West have become best of friends. Why? Because of Russia. They have a common threat in Russia.

USA nuked hundreds of thousands of Japanese to death, but today Japan & USA are lovers. Why? A common threat in China.

Islamic terrorism sponsoring PAKISTAN and muslim persecuting CHINA today are bedfellows. Why? A common threat in India.

Only emotional sissies think they cannot work with people who have similar interests with them because these people have hurt them in the past. Leaders of nations do not think in this petty manner.

One thing I have noticed about many Igbos is that some of you are not practical. You are too emotional. You allow emotions lead you more than practicality.

Fulanis know that on their own they cannot dominate Nigeria, this was why they latched on Hausas in a form of symbiotic relationship. Most of us think it is a purely parasitic relationship which the fulanis are the sole beneficiaries, but it is actually a symbiotic one.

With the Hausas, the Hausa-fulani alliance now comands like 30% of Nigeria. They know it still isn't enough, hence they use Islam and regionalism and with this they almost command 50% or more of Nigeria.

Even at this, they know it still isn't enough and this is why they are always looking for allies in the south and will do everything to make sure the Yorubas & Igbos never unite.

I often wondered how come we never hear anything like Hausa women association, Fulani traders group, Hausa students association or Hausa national group. It is always we AREWA or we NORTH or we MUSLIMS.
Whenever these people talk or do things, they never mention their ethnic groups. It is always a regional or religious identity that groups many people together.

Kanuris use to hate and disagree with Hausa-fulani right from history where they defeated Danfodio, but today, even they have been absorbed into the we AREWA or we MUSLIMS identity.

This is the way these people get their power. It is not magic or science fiction.

World politics from all the continents has shown us that a group of people (minority) in a country who are just 10- 20% of the country can make all the noise they want, but they will forever remain suppressed and even silenced in some cases unless if they have a stronger neighbour or international power backing them.

Igbos on their own are just around 20% of Nigeria. This is why I just look and shake my head when some of them threaten to pull down Nigeria and get Biafra with so much hopes, telling you that Biafra is coming tomorrow .
Without any other allies in the country, without a supporting neighbouring country and without an international superpower. Without even the political power of your region.
Only God knows how they intend to do that. Some think it will happen by reaching out to the UN. When some countries in charge of the UN have their own minorities they suppress & silence to keep their countries one.

Had it been Igbo land was even like the SS that has a very large coastline and difficult terrain (swampy creeks & islands), or like the Middlebelt with very large swathes of lands with difficult terrain (mountains), it could have been very advantageous to you guys if you declare war on Nigeria.
Igbo land on the other hand is a very small and landlocked region where almost all the towns are connected and can easily be rounded up within a short period.

Even when the agitating minority of a country are up to 30% of the country, they can still be suppressed.
However, when it gets to 40 or 50% it becomes a very big problem. How does one nation suppress half of it's population succesfully?

I have seen that Nigeria the way it is, it is not favorable for my people and if things continue this way, we may also tow the part of seccession.
On our own, this would be very impossible. Hence we will look for allies within and outside Nigeria and try to take charge of the politics in our region. Very simple solution. Not by being unnecessarily emotional.

We have our landmass to use to our advantage, but we do not have access to the sea and this is one thing that will kill us easily, unless Cameroon is fully by our side.
This is why we must seek alliance with the SS & SE if we must ever achieve our aims.

Igbos on your own you can never shake or even scratch Nigeria one bit. You can only make noise. And with the way things are going sef, that ability to make noise within Nigeria could be taken away.

Yorubas have found love with the core-north and not until there is a bitter divorce, they will never make a move of self assertion.
The only possible allies of Igbos within Nigeria are the Niger-deltans & middlebelters/christian northernerns.
Politically, the 3 of us have been voting in one direction for the last couple of years. We all have bad relationship with the core-north. We are mostly christians.
We ourselves, we are not the best of friends, we have our differences with each other, but if we have common interests, there is every gain in exploring this, instead of us to keep dwelling on bitter pasts while the caliphate grows every day in population.
Very soon, with our lower birthrates and emigration, the caliphate will grow so large in population that with our without anybody else, they will win elections and nothing will happen.

Then, all this yanga we are making now of who to vote and who not to vote, who to like and who to dislike will be gone.

My advice to you Pazienza is not to be an agent to aid the final destruction of your people. Common sense is not always common.
Igbos and other people must not be soulmates for them to work together. As long as they have common interests, they can work together.

John Danfulani, a renowned leader of Southern Kaduna people went to Nnamdi Kanu 2 years ago to say his people will join Biafra. Kanu accepted him.
There are 5 million indigenes of Southern Kaduna and none of them came out to criticize or antagonize John Danfulani.

If all middlebelt tribes or even only the christian ones unite for a cause behind Biafra or seccession with another name, most Niger deltans will join the cause too, cause their fears of an Igbo dominated Biafra will fly out the window.

[s]Now, the combination of a middlebelt with large landmass, a Niger delta with large coastline/sea access and SE with large population and individual capital. [/s]
[s] Nigeria can never stop such a movement. It would be impossible. Don't be an obstacle to such a union, because with the way things are going in Nigeria, it will happen very soon.[/s]


Cc Yujin, oilPUSSY, selemempe, gidygiddy

Epistles of Paul to Macedonia...Lol.

Middle belt or centre belt has such terrain and fulani was busy mowing you guys like chicken and you couldn't explore the terrain to your advantage??

Was your brain fixed or born with?

And next they will say Igboland is landlocked..Lies from pantang and yantang

Let me quickly brief because you don't know anywhere as you claimed.

THE SOUTH EAST IS NOT LANDLOCKED.

Please, let it be known from today that South East is not landlocked. It is only our economy that is locked. One quick way of unlocking the economy of South East is through marine business.

Contrary to the impression that the South East is landlocked, the truth is that it has one of the potentially deepest seaports in the country at Osemoto/Oseokwa in Imo and Anambra States.

A seaport was designated there in 1959, but the project was abandoned and the admiralty membership erased for obvious political reasons. African Development Bank (ADB) feasibility report on this is unambiguous.

Oseokwa (Ihiala LGA, Anambra State) and Osemoto (Oguta LGA, Imo State) are the deepest natural harbors in the country (over 20m deep) and offer real naval and marine transportation platforms if developed. Besides, it lies only 18 nautical miles to the Atlantic Ocean and a strategic hub for the oil industry and inland dry-docks to promote trade.

This potential seaport has the capacity of handling over 35 per cent of marine business in Nigeria. As a matter of fact, it was the attraction to these potentials that made my administration in Imo state to site the Oguta Wonder Lake and Resort Centre in the area to encourage the federal government and foreign investors. If Ndigbo pursue and complete the seaport, it will also open up over 3,000 square kilometers of the most fertile agricultural land that has one of the highest alluvial deposits which has been in existence for well over a million years.

My pursuit of this revolutionary project attracted both national and international panic and may have cost me second tenure as governor (see “Demoracy By Military Tank” by Ethelbert Okere).

This deep seaport will create over two million jobs, directly and indirectly, in marine business, oil and gas, power, education, housing, agro-food industry, entertainment, tourism, etc. With that type of setting, Igbo youths will have no need to crisscross the country in search of jobs and in the process endangering their young lives.


Please your issue of landlocked is deflated this. You don't know anywhere in Igboland and stop making noise up and down.



Writing load of trash with no sense. Please leave Igboland and face your centre belt. We are not fulanis that colonised you guys and still colonising you people.


Inukwam landlocked.

Nigerian lies.


@ Strike
Rule such nonsense out both middle or centre bbel and Niger delta or african delta...Is a pure trash.

Nowenuse:


You are not an IPob, well form your own group so that the world knows who you are, let's see how many followers you get.
I may not like everything that Nnamdi Kanu is doing, but I support him passively. I have a soft spot for him and possibly in the future, my passive support may change to a very active one.
If I can't join him, I will create mine and probably partner with him since we have similar interests.

People like you can never be successful leaders of a country because you will just lead your people to early destruction.

I am not in anyway begging Igbos for an alliance or wish Igbos begged anyone for an alliance.

However, common sense should tell us, as well as history has showed us that even the worst enemies become allies when their interests are alligned.

The West saw to the dissolution and destruction of the Ottoman empire, but for many decades and till today, Turkey and the West have become best of friends. Why? Because of Russia. They have a common threat in Russia.

USA nuked hundreds of thousands of Japanese to death, but today Japan & USA are lovers. Why? A common threat in China.

Islamic terrorism sponsoring PAKISTAN and muslim persecuting CHINA today are bedfellows. Why? A common threat in India.

Only emotional sissies think they cannot work with people who have similar interests with them because these people have hurt them in the past. Leaders of nations do not think in this petty manner.

One thing I have noticed about many Igbos is that some of you are not practical. You are too emotional. You allow emotions lead you more than practicality.

Fulanis know that on their own they cannot dominate Nigeria, this was why they latched on Hausas in a form of symbiotic relationship. Most of us think it is a purely parasitic relationship which the fulanis are the sole beneficiaries, but it is actually a symbiotic one.

With the Hausas, the Hausa-fulani alliance now comands like 30% of Nigeria. They know it still isn't enough, hence they use Islam and regionalism and with this they almost command 50% or more of Nigeria.

Even at this, they know it still isn't enough and this is why they are always looking for allies in the south and will do everything to make sure the Yorubas & Igbos never unite.

I often wondered how come we never hear anything like Hausa women association, Fulani traders group, Hausa students association or Hausa national group. It is always we AREWA or we NORTH or we MUSLIMS.
Whenever these people talk or do things, they never mention their ethnic groups. It is always a regional or religious identity that groups many people together.

Kanuris use to hate and disagree with Hausa-fulani right from history where they defeated Danfodio, but today, even they have been absorbed into the we AREWA or we MUSLIMS identity.

This is the way these people get their power. It is not magic or science fiction.

World politics from all the continents has shown us that a group of people (minority) in a country who are just 10- 20% of the country can make all the noise they want, but they will forever remain suppressed and even silenced in some cases unless if they have a stronger neighbour or international power backing them.

Igbos on their own are just around 20% of Nigeria. This is why I just look and shake my head when some of them threaten to pull down Nigeria and get Biafra with so much hopes, telling you that Biafra is coming tomorrow .
Without any other allies in the country, without a supporting neighbouring country and without an international superpower. Without even the political power of your region.
Only God knows how they intend to do that. Some think it will happen by reaching out to the UN. When some countries in charge of the UN have their own minorities they suppress & silence to keep their countries one.

Had it been Igbo land was even like the SS that has a very large coastline and difficult terrain (swampy creeks & islands), or like the Middlebelt with very large swathes of lands with difficult terrain (mountains), it could have been very advantageous to you guys if you declare war on Nigeria.
Igbo land on the other hand is a very small and landlocked region where almost all the towns are connected and can easily be rounded up within a short period.

Even when the agitating minority of a country are up to 30% of the country, they can still be suppressed.
However, when it gets to 40 or 50% it becomes a very big problem. How does one nation suppress half of it's population succesfully?

I have seen that Nigeria the way it is, it is not favorable for my people and if things continue this way, we may also tow the part of seccession.
On our own, this would be very impossible. Hence we will look for allies within and outside Nigeria and try to take charge of the politics in our region. Very simple solution. Not by being unnecessarily emotional.

We have our landmass to use to our advantage, but we do not have access to the sea and this is one thing that will kill us easily, unless Cameroon is fully by our side.
This is why we must seek alliance with the SS & SE if we must ever achieve our aims.

Igbos on your own you can never shake or even scratch Nigeria one bit. You can only make noise. And with the way things are going sef, that ability to make noise within Nigeria could be taken away.

Yorubas have found love with the core-north and not until there is a bitter divorce, they will never make a move of self assertion.
The only possible allies of Igbos within Nigeria are the Niger-deltans & middlebelters/christian northernerns.
Politically, the 3 of us have been voting in one direction for the last couple of years. We all have bad relationship with the core-north. We are mostly christians.
We ourselves, we are not the best of friends, we have our differences with each other, but if we have common interests, there is every gain in exploring this, instead of us to keep dwelling on bitter pasts while the caliphate grows every day in population.
Very soon, with our lower birthrates and emigration, the caliphate will grow so large in population that with our without anybody else, they will win elections and nothing will happen.

Then, all this yanga we are making now of who to vote and who not to vote, who to like and who to dislike will be gone.

My advice to you Pazienza is not to be an agent to aid the final destruction of your people. Common sense is not always common.
Igbos and other people must not be soulmates for them to work together. As long as they have common interests, they can work together.

John Danfulani, a renowned leader of Southern Kaduna people went to Nnamdi Kanu 2 years ago to say his people will join Biafra. Kanu accepted him.
There are 5 million indigenes of Southern Kaduna and none of them came out to criticize or antagonize John Danfulani.

If all middlebelt tribes or even only the christian ones unite for a cause behind Biafra or seccession with another name, most Niger deltans will join the cause too, cause their fears of an Igbo dominated Biafra will fly out the window.

Now, the combination of a middlebelt with large landmass, a Niger delta with large coastline/sea access and SE with large population and individual capital.
Nigeria can never stop such a movement. It would be impossible. Don't be an obstacle to such a union, because with the way things are going in Nigeria, it will happen very soon.


Cc Yujin, oilPUSSY, selemempe, gidygiddy

99% correct. Pazienza didn't see it from this angle. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. I believe he will soon realize the truth in what you wrote here. Time is running and only the caliphate is gaining at the moment. All others are either sustaining the little strength they have or are losing it. Do you know what happened in Jos a couple of years ago? A popular and well respected clergy allowed emotions to becloud his judgement and he created a problem that almost divided Christians. Fortunately, he realised it on time and he returned and fell on his knees with teary eyes before the congregation to ask for forgiveness. He was forgiven and the relationship became stronger. Pazienza doesn't know about this. Many things informed my outlook about things in Nigeria. Survival first before ego.

MelesZenawi:




Epistles of Paul to Macedonia...Lol.

Middle belt or centre belt has such terrain and fulani was busy mowing you guys like chicken and you couldn't explore the terrain to your advantage??

Was your brain fixed or born with?

And next they will say Igboland is landlocked..Lies from pantang and yantang

Let me quickly brief because you don't know anywhere as you claimed.

Fulani herdsmen are the only people who knows your terrain as well as you do, because they live in your forests!

Our people live in very small farm settlements. With urbanization, the youths and younger people have left to towns and cities for opportunities, leaving mostly old women and children in these farm settlements.

You will see a small farm village of only like 200 old women and children. Hundreds of heavily armed fulani herdsmen from the forests will attack it and before the youths from the neighbouring town will mobilize and come, they have fled deep into the forests of another state or another tribe.
These people control the military and use the military to disarm the youths whenever they want to carry out a heavy planned attack into those fulani hideouts.

Is a war fought this way? In the case of a full blown war, all fulanis would be smoked and rooted out from the forests within the first few days. No federal army to come to their rescue.

Beroms and fulanis no longer have attacks again like before because Fulanis have now been eradicated from Berom lands. You don't find them anywhere. No mosque or muslims in any part of Berom land anymore. There are some roads that muslims don't even pass sometimes.
So, the fulani attacks on my Berom brothers have even made them stronger. Unlike other tribes where there are Hausas & fulanis all over their towns & villages.

Nowenuse:


Also, I am sure these dumb American statisticians must have estimated states like Bauchi & Yobe to be Hausa, otherwise, there is no way Tivs & Ibibios could really be more than Kanuris in the real sense.
Besides, are they counting Efiks, Annangs & Oros as Ibibios? Cos most of these tribes reject and hate to be called Ibibios.

Of course, there is no way Ijaw can be the 4th largest ethnic group in Nigeria when Tivs & Kanuris are there or if Ibibio/Efiks are considered as one tribe.

Lastly, can Igalas really be more than tribes like Nupe, Gbagyi & Urhobo in population? I doubt.

Good work, keep on

Nowenuse:


Fulani herdsmen are the only people who knows your terrain as well as you do, because they live in your forests!

Our people live in very small farm settlements. With urbanization, the youths and younger people have left to towns and cities for opportunities, leaving mostly old women and children in these farm settlements.

You will see a small farm village of only like 200 old women and children. Hundreds of heavily armed fulani herdsmen from the forests will attack it and before the youths from the neighbouring town will mobilize and come, they have fled deep into the forests of another state or another tribe.
These people control the military and use the military to disarm the youths whenever they want to carry out a heavy planned attack into those fulani hideouts.

Is a war fought this way? In the case of a full blown war, all fulanis would be smoked and rooted out from the forests within the first few days. No federal army to come to their rescue.

Beroms and fulanis no longer have attacks again like before because Fulanis have now been eradicated from Berom lands. You don't find them anywhere. No mosque or muslims in any part of Berom land anymore. There are some roads that muslims don't even pass sometimes.
So, the fulani attacks on my Berom brothers have even made them stronger. Unlike other tribes where there are Hausas & fulanis all over their towns & villages.

The impostor you quoted is a fulani man. Don't be deceived by the Igbo he types. He tries to appear defending Igbos to fool people here but his aim is to divide Igbos and cause confusion in Southern Nigeria. Everything he's doing here is with a strong intent. Read between the lines. All his actions are consistent with that of a politically inclined fulani. His moniker is MelesZenawi and his other handles are Julius Malema, Osagie88 and more I can't remember now. He's not Igbo.

Yujin:

The impostor you quoted is a fulani man. Don't be deceived by the Igbo he types. He tries to appear defending Igbos to fool people here but his aim is to divide Igbos and cause confusion in Southern Nigeria. Everything he's doing here is with a strong intent. Read between the lines. All his actions are consistent with that of a politically inclined fulani. His moniker is MelesZenawi and his other handles are Julius Malema, Osagie88 and more I can't remember now. He's not Igbo.

If you're looking for relevance don't seek that through me.
You face him and discuss whatever trash you discussing with him...Ozu.

I don't have time for every nonsense.

MelesZenawi:


If you're looking for relevance don't seek that through me.
You face him and discuss whatever trash you discussing with him...Ozu.

I don't have time for every nonsense.

Lol. Contrary to your expectation, I'll always remain vigilante to smoke out snakes like you. You have failed and will continue to fail. I don't seek relevance because I'm already relevant. My words carry weight because they're full of life. Mr. Impostor, know that the end of your people's oppression is near. Nothing you do will stop it. Death to this evil contraption.