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Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by Nowenuse: 11:13pm On Oct 27, 2019
JonDon12:



Muslims are a majority in Nigeria, That is a fact. You are a citizen of a muslim country. One of the most backward ones too. Not only is Nigeria a muslim mahority country, They are our defacto rulers. They rule in the North and amongst the Yoruba, They are first class citizens. In Yorubaland, most of their Obas are Muslim, the otunbas as well. The state governers are muslim as well as the political, afenifere and OPC chieftains. This is Nigerias reality. The British made sure the Muslims remained in charge because they are easier to control.

Yorubas were originally predominantly muslim, but over the years, the heavy missionary works saw to the conversion of many Yorubas to christianity, this is why it is very common to see many Yoruba people with muslim surnames who are christian. Most Ondo, Ekiti, Kogi west and Ogun people have clear/overwhelming christian majority, while Lagos, Oyo, Osun & Kwara have muslim majority with a very strong christian minority like 35-40.
How then can Yoruba be predominantly muslim? At worse it is a 50/50.

Southern minorities are 98% christian while northern minorities are 70% christian. Which means all minorities in Nigeria are like 80% christian. And minorities constitute about 35% of Nigeria. Where is the muslim majority in Nigeria now coming from?

See, muslims are dominating Nigeria today because 75% of the muslims in Nigeria have a common language (Hausa) and are directly/indirectly under the rule of the caliphate/emirate. This gives them their advantage.
Unlike Nigerian christians who are 40% Igbo, 20% Yoruba, 15% southern minorities and 25% northern minorities with many different languages and denominations and affiliations.



pazienza:



Very true. People don't know this, or they want to play the ostrich. But Yorubas are predominantly Muslims.
Don't let their commercialized pastors in Lagos-Ogun express road deceive you, those lots seek out mainly Igbo Christians to milk. They know most of their people are Muslims.

I have lived in rural Yoruba before and was shocked by that discovery. Too many mosques and Muslims everywhere. I was shocked.

Now do the maths, of the three dominant Ethnic groups in Nigeria, Hausa-Fulani are overwhelmingly Muslims, Yoruba are like 60% Muslims. Only the Igbo are the Christian core.

It's wishful thinking Nigeria is not a predominantly Muslim country, because it is.

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Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by pazienza(m): 11:19pm On Oct 27, 2019
Nowenuse:


Yorubas were originally predominantly muslim, but over the years, the heavy missionary works saw to the conversion of many Yorubas to christianity, this is why it is very common to see many Yoruba people with muslim surnames who are christian. Most Ondo, Ekiti, Kogi west and Ogun people have clear/overwhelming christian majority, while Lagos, Oyo, Osun & Kwara have muslim majority with a very strong christian minority like 35-40.
How then can Yoruba be predominantly muslim? At worse it is a 50/50.

Southern minorities are 98% christian while northern minorities are 70% christian. Which means all minorities in Nigeria are like 80% christian. And minorities constitute about 35% of Nigeria. Where is the muslim majority in Nigeria now coming from?

See, muslims are dominating Nigeria today because 75% of the muslims in Nigeria have a common language (Hausa) and are directly/indirectly under the rule of the caliphate/emirate. This gives them their advantage.
Unlike Nigerian christians who are 40% Igbo, 20% Yoruba, 15% southern minorities and 25% northern minorities with many different languages and denominations and affiliations.




It is not 50-50. Not by any stretch of the imagination.
It's closer to 60-40, if not worse. Ekiti and Ondo don't have overwhelmingly Christian population. The Yoruba Muslims there are quite substantial. You forgot Ondo is close to Northern Edo, which on its own is a Muslim enclave.
I have been to rural Ondo, and they all have mosques littered all over the place.
I will say Xtians in Ondo edge it by 65-35 to Muslims. But Muslims there are still substantial.

Yorubas on the majority are Muslims. This is a reality one face once you visit rural Yoruba enclaves.

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Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by pazienza(m): 11:22pm On Oct 27, 2019
Nowenuse:


Igbos in the 19 states of the north/middlebelt are not more than 5 million.

Hmm.

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Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by garfield1: 1:12am On Oct 28, 2019
Nowenuse:


Hahahaha, you are wrong. Yes fulanis cannot be more than 500k in Kebbi state, but what about the Zurus, Kambaris & Zarmas?
Oh, you think Kebbi is just a Hausa & fulani state?

Zurus or Dakarkari or Lelna are the 2nd largest tribe in Kebbi state, dominating 4 LGAs and they are mostly christian.
Kambaris who are mostly christian too dominate Ngaski LGA while Zarmas have many areas in northern Kebbi like Arewa Dandi and co. Then, Shangawa in Shanga LGA.

Infact Hausas may not be up to 50% in Kebbi state if care is not taken.. Same thing with Kaduna.
Hausas in Bauchi & Niger state are not up to 10%, maybe like around 5%. They are all settlers.

Are you aware that Zamfara, Kano, Jigawa & even Sokoto have some minority tribes? Although they are not more than 10% in each.

Only Katsina is the 100% Hausa & fulani state.
Then if you remove fulanis and hausanized fulanis from these states. Kano, zamfara, Jigawa & Sokoto would be like 65- 70% Hausa, Katsina like 80% Hausa. Then Kebbi & Kaduna (like 40% Hausa), then other northern states like 1-5% each. Where then is their population? They would barely be up to 30 million. Maybe like 25 million.
How can hausas in niger not be more than 10% when muazu babangida aliyu and lolo are hausas? Though the hausas are settlers but there many in niger state.the hausanised people of bauchi are up to 1 million.the fulanis of northwest have always been minorities,not up to 20%.removing them from hausas will make no difference.i had a bad day yesterday,i don't want to lash out at you.lets drop this
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by GODMALE: 4:03am On Oct 28, 2019
Yoruba's are the largest follow by Hausa then Fulani before Igbos.


Fact
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by GODMALE: 4:08am On Oct 28, 2019
oilPUSSY:



Its obvious that its still a mystery to you that Igbo's still maintained their position in Nigerian population even after the war..

How dft one can be.. You think that casualties were one sided ?
Or only Igbos died during the war ?

You should focus more on the reason why you people are dying like chicken in this 21 century even when no war is going on hence your decline in population..

You were even closer to Igbos in population in 1930's which is the ist picture I attached, now the gap Igbo's have given you is getting wider despite the fact that your people are practicing polygamy due to Islam.....


Sit down and have a sober reflection.
Is it a supreme punishment or out of carelessness of your your people?
is that why igbos are now slaves in Nigeria begging for position and Biafra?

Yoruba own una

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Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by Iamgrey5(m): 6:45am On Oct 28, 2019
pazienza:


It is not 50-50. Not by any stretch of the imagination.
It's closer to 60-40, if not worse. Ekiti and Ondo don't have overwhelmingly Christian population. The Yoruba Muslims there are quite substantial. You forgot Ondo is close to Northern Edo, which on its own is a Muslim enclave.
I have been to rural Ondo, and they all have mosques littered all over the place.
I will say Xtians in Ondo edge it by 65-35 to Muslims. But Muslims there are still substantial.

Yorubas on the majority are Muslims. This is a reality one face once you visit rural Yoruba enclaves.
Please keep lying to yourself

Ondo has a Christian /Christian governor and deputy governor and have always have such.

So please where are the large Muslim population in Ondo state.

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Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by orisa37: 7:45am On Oct 28, 2019
pazienza:
According to CIA book of facts, the Hausa-Fulani remain the most populous ethnic group in Nigeria by far, constituting over 30% of Nigeria Population. Igbos at 14.1% are the second most populous ethnic group, while the Yoruba at 13.9% are the third.

However, the big surprise is the fact that Ibibio/Tiv at 2.2% each and not Ijaw at 2.0%, are considered the most populous groups outside the traditional tripod.

Additionally, Nigeria is largely an Islamic country , with Muslims making up 51.6% of the population, in contrast to the 46.9% of the Nigerian citizens who are Christians. The other significant group are the traditionists who make up 9% of the population.

Nigeria as you can see from the above figures is an overtly religious country with an insignificant number of agnostic/atheists.



Let the discussions , calculations and permutations begin.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ni.htm



Nothing concerns CIA with Nigeria Population. The ISIS(ISWA) figures are:-

1.Yorubas-----21 percent
2. Igbos---------17 percent.
3. Hausa--------14 percent.
4. Fulanis-------13 percent.
5. Ijaws-----------5 percent.
6. Tivs-------------5 percent.
7. Ibibios---------4 percent.
8. Bokoharam-4 percent.
9. Illegal
Migrants
from Niger
& Chad(Fulani
Herdsmen)---9 percent.
10. Others----------8 percent.

It's relevant to say that items 8 & 9 voted with and for items 3 & 4 in previous Elections. The CIA is still working for Obama and the Democrats to DESTABILIZE NIGERIA.
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by mandarin: 8:10am On Oct 28, 2019
pazienza:


Igbos are more. It's as simple as that.

I was in Wukari and Jalingo not long ago. It's amazing the number of Igbos there.
I kept running into random Igbo speaking people on Keke and banks.

Let me tell you what I know. There are several generations of Yoruba in the North in millions but many of them live directly within the Hausa communities. The recent generations together with the igbo live in secluded settlements. Because many Yoruba around Ogbomoso and kwara are enormous , a lot of them are muslims and culturally integrate. I've met Yoruba who are third generations in Katsina state. I'm not estimating for gainsaying but knowledge, there are more Yoruba in the north than igbo but in spread, may be more igbo because of trading.
Whether Wunkari or Yola Yoruba people are there.
Remember the crises that happened in Jo's and a lot of people complained that igbo were at the receiving end of losses, by the time the data was released, Yoruba people had more losses!
Thinking that igbo would be the next minority in every state is a mirage!
Yes, igbo and Yoruba are migrants but most postulated info on migration aren't correct.

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Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by garfield1: 8:30am On Oct 28, 2019
mandarin:


Let me tell you what I know. There are several generations of Yoruba in the North in millions but many of them live directly within the Hausa communities. The recent generations together with the igbo live in secluded settlements. Because many Yoruba around Ogbomoso and kwara are enormous , a lot of them are muslims and culturally integrate. I've met Yoruba who are third generations in Katsina state. I'm not estimating for gainsaying but knowledge, there are more Yoruba in the north than igbo but in spread, may be more igbo because of trading.
Whether Wunkari or Yola Yoruba people are there.
Remember the crises that happened in Jo's and a lot of people complained that igbo were at the receiving end of losses, by the time the data was released, Yoruba people had more losses!
Thinking that igbo would be the next minority in every state is a mirage!
Yes, igbo and Yoruba are migrants but most postulated info on migration aren't correct.
It boils down to what i earlier.igbos are a loud minority which makes it look as if there so populous.it exaggerates their numbers.where you can find the highest concentration of igbos in the north is kano,kkaduna,abuja and plateau and there not more than 2 million there
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by garfield1: 8:31am On Oct 28, 2019
scholes0:


Everywhere there. Even if they are tiny, theya re still present.
In many places within this obodo Nigeria ,igbos are tiny but prominent component of the fabric of towns. That is what many people don't know. prominent is not the same as populated That is how one of you was arguing with a cross riverian that migrant Igbo Communities were more than the Ibibios in C/River state and he was telling you guyz the reality on ground.
Thank you for this sir

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Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by garfield1: 8:33am On Oct 28, 2019
Yujin:

Lol. Drop your own stats na?
40 million hausas,38 million yorubas,34 million igbos
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by garfield1: 8:36am On Oct 28, 2019
scholes0:


I am the one that said Ebiras are now plenty in Ososo ... wait wasn't that like 2-3 years ago grin this guy you no dey forget something.
Ebiras in Edo.... 100K
Ebiras in SW - 300K

Okene is the largest LGA yes, Okene plus Adavi is the single largest conurbation in Kogi even larger than lokoja. But outside the obvious size of Okene township, what is the population of Kogi central? What is the population of Kogi lga at Koto karfe that will justify or support the 3 million figure. Kogi central if I were generous and say 900k plus Kogi lga another 100k that is 1Mill. Nassarawa plus f.c.t 200k like you already agreed, that is 1.2 million.. sounds about right for Ebira. Diasporic population in north: Unknown.
I agree.ebiras cant be up to 2 million

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Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by garfield1: 8:41am On Oct 28, 2019
Nowenuse:


You are quite correct.
The natural leadership of christians in Nigeria rests in the hands of Igbos (as the largest christian population).

The core-north has succeeded in pitching all other Nigerians to be against Igbos and this is why christians will always be 2nd class in Nigeria even though we are the majority.

This is similar to what happens in Nasarawa state where the Eggons (who are the most hated tribe in the state) are the largest tribe in the state and are predominantly christian.

One thing Igbos & Eggons have in common is p[b]ride, arrogancy, a rugged, cunning, unaccomodating, discriminating, domineering and a loud nature.[/b]
This is what turns of the other christian tribes and makes them easily manipulated to hate you people.
Thank you for saying what many of us couldn't say.that loud nature is what exaggerates their population outside ibo land in reality there not so many just ubiquitous and makes their presence felt.late achebe in his book there was a country used similar words to describe them and this easily makes others to dislike or despise you.look at how they were arguing about my own state with impunity.igboland has the lowest concentration of non indigenes in nigeria yet they migrate the most,very ironical

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Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by garfield1: 8:49am On Oct 28, 2019
oilPUSSY:



Its obvious that its still a mystery to you that Igbo's still maintained their position in Nigerian population even after the war..

How dft one can be.. You think that casualties were one sided ?
Or only Igbos died during the war ?

You should focus more on the reason why you people are dying like chicken in this 21 century even when no war is going on hence your decline in population..

You were even closer to Igbos in population in 1930's which is the ist picture I attached, now the gap Igbo's have given you is getting wider despite the fact that your people are practicing polygamy due to Islam.....


Sit down and have a sober reflection.
Is it a supreme punishment or out of carelessness of your your people?
If we are to go by this colonial data,yorubas must have overtaken the ibos in population considering that over 2 million ibos died in the civil war,yorubas have a higher birth rate plus their large muslims population that breeds monogamy.according to that data,igbos were ahead of yorubas by less than 50,000.yorubas should be ahead now by over 2 million
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by garfield1: 8:51am On Oct 28, 2019
pazienza:



Very true. People don't know this, or they want to play the ostrich. But Yorubas are predominantly Muslims.
Don't let their commercialized pastors in Lagos-Ogun express road deceive you, those lots seek out mainly gullible Igbo Christians to milk. They know most of their people are Muslims.

I have lived in rural Yoruba before and was shocked by that discovery. Too many mosques and Muslims everywhere. I was shocked.

Now do the maths, of the three dominant Ethnic groups in Nigeria, Hausa-Fulani are overwhelmingly Muslims, Yoruba are like 60% Muslims. Only the Igbo are the Christian core.

It's wishful thinking Nigeria is not a predominantly Muslim country, because it is.
Pazienza,i am disappointed.how cancel you judge through number of mosques
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by oilPUSSY(f): 10:05am On Oct 28, 2019
garfield1:

If we are to go by this colonial data,yorubas must have overtaken the ibos in population considering that over 2 million ibos died in the civil war,yorubas have a higher birth rate plus their large muslims population that breeds monogamy.according to that data,igbos were ahead of yorubas by less than 50,000.yorubas should be ahead now by over 2 million


If its not dyslexia, then you need glasses.
Until you read my comments over and over again with pictures and and digest it, you won't stop running from pillar to Post seeking to understand what population growth and population decline is all about.


Igbos are ahead of you.. Its a very sad reality you must accept or you can continue swimming in the ocean of deception to feel good.

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Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by YourNemesis: 10:07am On Oct 28, 2019
Yujin:

All colonial records had Igbos with more population than Yorubas.

Oga, forget about any population records compiled before at least the 60’s.
Yorubas were chronic census evaders in the colonial era because many didn’t want to pay “owo ori” aka govt tax!

Rumors would spread around townships and villages that “awon agbowo ori” were coming to enumerate them and their families, and most ppl would hide themselves away, those who did get counted would understate the size of their families and property worth in general ... because you know... TAX!

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Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by pazienza(m): 10:10am On Oct 28, 2019
Nowenuse:


You are quite correct.
The natural leadership of christians in Nigeria rests in the hands of Igbos (as the largest christian population).

The core-north has succeeded in pitching all other Nigerians to be against Igbos and this is why christians will always be 2nd class in Nigeria even though we are the majority.

This is similar to what happens in Nasarawa state where the Eggons (who are the most hated tribe in the state) are the largest tribe in the state and are predominantly christian.

One thing Igbos & Eggons have in common is pride, arrogancy, a rugged, cunning, unaccomodating, discriminating, domineering and a loud nature.
This is what turns of the other christian tribes and makes them easily manipulated to hate you people.

I don't know who the Eggons are. But Chukwu forbid we be compared to any group in the North.

Pride and Arrogance ? I would say confidence. Cunningly? Far from it, an Igbo man is too obvious, direct and plain, that's even part of why we have problems in Nigeria. You must have confused us for another major Southern group known for this cunning trait.
Discriminating and unaccomodatimg ? Another misrepresentation. If anything Ndiigbo are too accepting of people and alien cultures.
Domineering? Maybe but it's usually through hard work and merit. Loud nature? Definitely. My people loud nature even makes me cringe.

All in all, your post perfectly illustrates while Ndiigbo should stop looking for non existent allies in Nigeria and instead concentrate on becoming stronger internally. You lots both Xtians and Muslims are no different in your perception of Ndiigbo. cool

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Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by jimyjames(m): 10:17am On Oct 28, 2019
gidgiddy:
The fourth largest ethnic group? It has to be between Ibibios, Ijaws and maybe Kanuri

I dont think Tiv is large enough to make the 4th list
Do you know how many local government the tiv occupy in Benue?

Out of 23 local government in Benue the tiv occupys 14, besides that there are millions of tiv people in taraba, nassarawa, plateau state, and in Cameron the border between kwande benue state and Cameron
Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by garfield1: 10:21am On Oct 28, 2019
oilPUSSY:



If its not dyslexia, then you need glasses.
Until you read my comments over and over again with pictures and and digest it, you won't stop running from pillar to Post seeking to understand what population growth and population decline is all about.


Igbos are ahead of you.. Its a very sad reality you must accept or you can continue swimming in the ocean of deception to feel good.
Stark emptiness

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Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by garfield1: 10:24am On Oct 28, 2019
pazienza:


I don't know who the Eggons are. But Chukwu forbid we be compared to any group in the North.

Pride and Arrogance ? I would say confidence. Cunningly? Far from it, an Igbo man is too obvious, direct and plain, that's even part of why we have problems in Nigeria. You must have confused us for another major Southern group known for this cunning trait.
Discriminating and unaccomodatimg ? Another misrepresentation. If anything Ndiigbo are too accepting of people and alien cultures.
Domineering? Maybe but it's usually through hard work and merit. Loud nature? Definitely. My people loud nature even makes me cringe.

All in all, your post perfectly illustrates while Ndiigbo should stop looking for non existent allies in Nigeria and instead concentrate on becoming stronger internally. You lots both Xtians and Muslims are no different in your perception of Ndiigbo. cool
That loud nature and domineering attitude are the biggest issues

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Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by scholes0(m): 12:28pm On Oct 28, 2019
Nowenuse:


Interesting.

Igalas take Kogi with pride, however, unlike the Tivs, they still emigrate a lot. Lokoja is not a big city with opportunities, so they still move to Kaduna, Kano, Abuja e.t.c

All of Kogis ethnic group migrate in heavy numbers without exception. Even okuns are plenty in the north.
Just a random example is sirD of BBN from Mopa-Amuro but who speaks Hausa and grew up all his life in KD. Not even sure which he is more fluent in Yoru or Haus.

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Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by Nowenuse: 12:31pm On Oct 28, 2019
scholes0:


sure?

Urhobos
: SW, Edo, Port Harcourt, North
Igalas: North only. Very small in SE.

That is why I used the word AS OF TODAY.

Urhbobos used to migrate a lot in the past, even as far as Liberia, there was a huge Urhobo community there.
However, most of them started coming back home to Delta from the 80s as their cities started to boom with oil money. I am from Jos and Urhobos used to be the largest non indigenous minority in Jos from the South.

Igala land being an underdeveloped area without a large nearby city for a long time saw the emigration of Igalas all over the north and East. Igalas in the north & Abuja are like 700k or more.
Since Abuja came close to them, they have invaded Abuja and I'm sure they are the largest non indigenous minority in Abuja now, although Idomas can give them a hot chase for this.

Urhobos living outside Urhobo land are not more than 500k.
If you doubt this, go to the largest Urhobo & Igala facebook groups. Check like 10 Urhobo & Igala profiles in those groups, you will see that like 8 in 10 Urhobos live in Delta state, while for Igala, it would be like 3-4 in 10 who live in Kogi.

Mind you, Urhobos are not much in PH. Outside, Benin, Ajegunle & Jos. Hardly do you see Urhobos outside Delta.
Where I lived in Benin close to Uniben (Ekosodin), Igalas were the largest immigrant group there outside the student population.

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Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by scholes0(m): 12:35pm On Oct 28, 2019
pazienza:


I don't know who the Eggons are. But Chukwu forbid we be compared to any group in the North.

Pride and Arrogance ? I would say confidence. Cunningly? Far from it, an Igbo man is too obvious, direct and plain, that's even part of why we have problems in Nigeria. You must have confused us for another major Southern group known for this cunning trait.
Discriminating and unaccomodatimg ? Another misrepresentation. If anything Ndiigbo are too accepting of people and alien cultures.
Domineering? Maybe but it's usually through hard work and merit. Loud nature? Definitely. My people loud nature even makes me cringe.

All in all, your post perfectly illustrates while Ndiigbo should stop looking for non existent allies in Nigeria and instead concentrate on becoming stronger internally. You lots both Xtians and Muslims are no different in your perception of Ndiigbo. cool

Even Nowenuse who is practically Pro-Igbo is telling you the same thing and you are not reflecting. rather you are saying Chukwu forbid you being compared to Eggon as if you have three heads and they have 1. That is still part of the meaningless pride everyone is well aware of.
Everybody regardless of religion, even staunch christians like yourself are telling you the very same things because there are elements of truth to it. Regardless, a Crossriverian from the Southeast, A Plateau man who grew up in the South, A Yoruba from the West and an Edo man from the Central-west have all said similar things on here and they are all not ringing any bells.

Ndigbo are accepting of other cultures to profit off it in one way or the other. No Nigerian ethnic group is just simply 'accepting of other cultures' for the mere fun of it or for nothing. And No, they are not accepting of other people. At least not to the same degree as some other people within this general corner of Africa.

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Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by scholes0(m): 12:38pm On Oct 28, 2019
pazienza:



Very true. People don't know this, or they want to play the ostrich. But Yorubas are predominantly Muslims.
Don't let their commercialized pastors in Lagos-Ogun express road deceive you, those lots seek out mainly gullible Igbo Christians to milk. They know most of their people are Muslims.

I have lived in rural Yoruba before and was shocked by that discovery. Too many mosques and Muslims everywhere. I was shocked.

Now do the maths, of the three dominant Ethnic groups in Nigeria, Hausa-Fulani are overwhelmingly Muslims, Yoruba are like 60% Muslims. Only the Igbo are the Christian core.

It's wishful thinking Nigeria is not a predominantly Muslim country, because it is.

Please what in the world is 'rural Yoruba'?
Simply state where you lived in Yorubaland and let us discuss the religious peculiarities of the so called place.
Take Ondo state for example, you will find mosques in Ikare town but won't find maybe even 1 in Ilaje local government or Ese Odo.

Ondo and Ekiti are not 35% muslim like you fallaciously stated. I don't know how you manage to do it so effortlessly but you just seem to have this special ability to pull figures out of your bare black a.ss! Ondo has more muslims than Ekiti and Ondo is prolly around 20% islamic at most.

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Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by Nowenuse: 12:42pm On Oct 28, 2019
scholes0:


All of Kogis ethnic group migrate in heavy numbers without exception. Even okuns are plenty in the north.
Just a random example is sirD of BBN from Mopa-Amuro but who speaks Hausa and grew up all his life in KD. Not even sure which he is more fluent in Yoru or Haus.

Yes I am very much aware of this. A huge chunk of the Yoruba christians in the north are from Okun. You see this belt, Nupe- Okun- Ebira- Igala- Idoma. They migrate like nonsense. More than half of them live outside their homeland.

But among them, I would say Ebiras have the highest. Ebiras have migrated and been living all over Yoruba land for a very long time in the rural areas, to the extent that these Yorubaland Ebiras have evolved a new unique identity for themselves.
They are called EBIRA OLOKO.
This is why when you say Ebiras are just 300k in the southwest, I just dey look you. Ebiras are the largest non indigenous minority group
In Yoruba land, followed by Tapa (Nupes).
You see a large chunk of Ebiras in Kogi state answering Yoruba names. These names usually came from Ebira Oloko influence through their returnees. Otherwise, how do you explain this?

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Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by scholes0(m): 12:59pm On Oct 28, 2019
Nowenuse:


Yes I am very much aware of this. A huge chunk of the Yoruba christians in the north are from Okun. You see this belt, Nupe- Okun- Ebira- Igala- Idoma. They migrate like nonsense. More than half of them live outside their homeland.

But among them, I would say Ebiras have the highest. Ebiras have migrated and been living all over Yoruba land for a very long time in the rural areas, to the extent that these Yorubaland Ebiras have evolved a new unique identity for themselves.
They are called EBIRA OLOKO.
This is why when you say Ebiras are just 300k in the southwest, I just dey look you. Ebiras are the largest non indigenous minority group
In Yoruba land, followed by Tapa (Nupes).
You see a large chunk of Ebiras in Kogi state answering Yoruba names. These names usually came from Ebira Oloko influence through their returnees. Otherwise, how do you explain this?

I just said 300K because Ebiras in SW are mostly concentrated in Ondo,Ekiti and Osun. Not so much in Oyo, Ogun and Lag. But of course Lagos is cosmopolitan, who knows the number of Ebiras that might actually be living there.
Ebira tao and Yoruba are adjacent tribes from the Akoko and from the Okun axis from three angles (west , southwest and north). then on the south with Afemai and east with river niger and then onwards Igala. Not that hard to see how influences might have diffused. Also many Yoruba loan words have crept into Ebira tao by association, like Iyawo (wife), Ijova (Ijoba) - (Government), Pataki (Important), Ajuwe (Description), Igbo (weed), Alasheju (oersabi).. it is unavoidable, just like how many Hausa words have crept into Egbura koto.

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Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by Nowenuse: 1:04pm On Oct 28, 2019
scholes0:


Even Nowenuse who is practically Pro-Igbo is telling you the same thing and you are not reflecting. rather you are saying Chukwu forbid you being compared to Eggon as if you have three heads and they have 1
Everybody regardless of religion, even staunch christians like yourself are telling you the very same things because there are elements of truth to it. Regardless, a Crossriverian from the Southeast, A Plateau man who grew up in the South, A Yoruba from the West and an Edo man from the Central-west have all said similar things on here and they are all not ringing any bells.

Ndigbo are accepting of other cultures to profit off it in one way or the other. No Nigerian ethnic group is just simply 'accepting of other cultures' for the mere fun of it or for nothing. And No, they are not accepting of other people. At least not to the same degree as some other people within this general corner of Africa.

Thank you very very much.
This is what Pazienza, Johndon12 and their fellow Igbos refuse to understand.

Times without number on nairaland, I have been accused of being an Igbo man because of how Pro-Igbo I have been. People like OilPUSSY can attest to this.

If everyone are saying the same thing about you, then you are the one with the problem and not others.
There is no possible way Hausas, Yorubas, Middlebelters and even Niger deltan tribes (the 4 of us are very different) can be saying the same thing about you guys, yet you guys prefer to call it hatred.

My closest friend is a renowned Igbo scholar and many of them here know his name if I mention it.
I always tell him that Igbos do not have an accomodating culture and that is why their region is the most homogenous region in Nigeria. Igbos are hostile and discriminating to strangers and you can see Pazienza exhibiting it here by saying no northern tribe should ever be juxtaposed with Igbos.

See, Hausa-fulanis, in spite of how we complain about them. Their cities and towns are very very open and welcoming to foreigners and this is one problem that we even have in the middlebelt.
Many middlebelt muslims have been born & bred and given life opportunities in Hausa land
to the extent that they now love Hausas and intermarry regardless of whatever happens.

See Yakubu Gowon who is from Plateau, even a christian but he was born and bred in Zaria. He had hausa mentality and this was why he was the perfect tool used by the core-north to gain the support of middlebelters against Igbos in the civil war.
Till date, inspite of how Hausa fulanis fight our people, Yakubu Gowon will still preach one Nigeria.

This is the way Hausas effortlessly unite all Nigerian muslims by accomodating them and culturing them, spreading their soft power. Instead of Igbos to learn from this, they keep on arguing pointlessly and emotionally that everybody hates them.

Kano state has produced 2 non Hausa governors.
A Nupe man from Niger state and a Bura man from Borno state have ruled Kano state.
But among the Igbos, an Imo or Enugu man will not even be allowed to contest or rule Anambra, let alone a non-Igbo.

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Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by scholes0(m): 1:22pm On Oct 28, 2019
Nowenuse:

See Yakubu Gowon who is from Plateau, even a christian but he was born and bred in Zaria. He had hausa mentality and this was why he was the perfect tool used by the core-north to gain the support of middlebelters against Igbos in the civil war.
Till date, inspite of how Hausa fulanis fight our people, Yakubu Gowon will still preach one Nigeria.

This is the way Hausas effortlessly unite all Nigerian muslims by accomodating them and culturing them, spreading their soft power. Instead of Igbos to learn from this, they keep on arguing pointlessly and emotionally that everybody hates them.

Kano state has produced 2 non Hausa governors.
A Nupe man from Niger state and a Bura man from Borno state have ruled Kano state.
But among the Igbos, an Imo or Enugu man will not even be allowed to contest or rule Anambra, let alone a non-Igbo.

The Northern dynamic is simple.
As long as you accept islam and blend into the general culture , that's it. You become one of them. An Etsako, A Yoruba, An Igala, A Nupe, A Jukun, A Gbagyi, A Mumuye, A Tuareg, Even a Syrian can become 'Hausa' as long as they blend. Origin is useless to them. Yorubas too to a certain degree, but unlike Yorubas that are surrounded by sparsely populated tribes on two sides, the sea on one side (no other majority tribes in Nigeria has a coastline), and the unfortunate turn of fate of being 'brickwalled' by an international border on the final side, Igbos are completely surrounded by heavily populated tribes on ALL sides and still can't manage to coalesce a successful southern alliance like the Hausas have done in the north or even swell their numbers through ethnic conversion. If Yorubas were the ones in the central south east the rest would be story right now.

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Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by scholes0(m): 1:31pm On Oct 28, 2019
Nowenuse:


Igbos in the 19 states of the north/middlebelt are not more than 5 million.

The way people throw around millions in the Nigerian online space ehhn... you would think they were talking about thousands ni.
Someone will just wake up one day and tell you there are at least 2 million Igbos in Kano and another 1.5 million in Kaduna shocked, without even understanding the real life implications of that.
Assuming Kano state was 10 million.... do y'all know what 2 million Igbos there means not even factoring in all other tribes of Nigeria.

smh

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Re: Tiv And Ibibio Are The Joint 4th Most Populous Ethnic Groups In Nigeria by pazienza(m): 4:29pm On Oct 28, 2019
scholes0:


Even Nowenuse who is practically Pro-Igbo is telling you the same thing and you are not reflecting. rather you are saying Chukwu forbid you being compared to Eggon as if you have three heads and they have 1. That is still part of the meaningless pride everyone is well aware of.
Everybody regardless of religion, even staunch christians like yourself are telling you the very same things because there are elements of truth to it. Regardless, a Crossriverian from the Southeast, A Plateau man who grew up in the South, A Yoruba from the West and an Edo man from the Central-west have all said similar things on here and they are all not ringing any bells.

Ndigbo are accepting of other cultures to profit off it in one way or the other. No Nigerian ethnic group is just simply 'accepting of other cultures' for the mere fun of it or for nothing. And No, they are not accepting of other people. At least not to the same degree as some other people within this general corner of Africa.

Lol!
The entire Arab nations think Jews are evil, many Caucasian think same too, does it mean they are right? Far from it. The entire Nigeria ganged up against Ndiigbo once, so no surprises they all share similar sentiments about us. They are all on same boat, be they Christian, Muslim,SS, WW, NN or whatever.

I said God forbid Ndiigbo be likened to groups up North, how exactly is that pride? We are simply different from them and they are different from us, in many many ways. We just want to be Igbo and not compared to anyone else in Nigeria.

The idea of Ndiigbo being unaccommodating of others is a lie Igbophobic entities spinned and spread.
Igboland post civil war was carefully and strategically stripped of FG and multinational corporations presence.
What exactly will be bringing a non Igbo to Igboland? Most businesses here are indigenous and we try to employ our teeming youth population. The markets here are very competitive even for an Igbo, you can imagine for a non Igbo.The kind of business outsiders can do here are those we are not good at. Like Yorubas tailors control a sizeable market share of cloth sewing business in SE, Aba inclusive. When I was in Aba, my tailor was a Yoruba man, he has been there for years and own a very big shop. Then you have the Yoruba "Agbo" sellers .
The Hausa with their Cow meat business are all over Igbo land as well.

Our Land mass is small so land prices here even in rural Igbo villages are costly in comparison to other parts of Nigeria, so when you tell a non Igbo the price of land here to establish a business, he thinks you are deliberately trying to chase him away, when in truth the price is same for everyone in Igboland who wants to buy a land. The realization of how cheap lands are outside Igboland is one of the reasons that drive the Igbo ultra drive in buying landed property outside Igboland, which envious natives would turn to Igbo man trying to dominate and rule them, once they (Indigenes) were done embezzling the money they got from land sales.


Nevertheless we have Hausas and Yorubas here, and we don't kill visitors like they do in North over religious issues, neither do we carry placards asking visitors to leave like they do in Lagos, unless in case of Fulani herdsmen whose killing spree all over Nigeria is well known. Our leaders don't threaten visitors with drowning in the lagoon as well or use touts to bully them from voting in elections. Yet we are supposed to be the intolerant ones, right? Clap for yourselves, of course we are not as accommodating as other Nigerians if the above is your definition of accommodation.

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