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Closing the border is never a solution to Nigeria economic predicament .. by vaxx2: 11:53am On Nov 04, 2019
The objective purpose of closing the border by Nigeria goverment is to make Nigeria a prosperous nation by growing the local industry and empower the teeming unemployed youth.

But history had prove this idea to be impractical and unproductive.

In the 1950s and 1960s, governments of many countries in Africa and Latin America erected trade barriers. The plan was to enable the industries of their countries to grow, “protected” from outside competition. What actually happened was the opposite..

Although the industries in these “protected” countries grew for a short period, the lack of competition meant that their industries became inefficient and fell behind the rest of the world. Also, because imports were very expensive or even unavailable, their costs of production rose as they were stuck using old technologies.

Soon these “protected” industries were producing goods that few people wanted, exports fell and, in many cases, the industries – usually run by friends of the president – had to be subsidised by the state in order to keep them afloat.

""Governments paid for these subsidies by taxing farmers (either directly or by forcing farmers to sell to marketing boards) and by borrowing – one of the reasons why so many African and Latin American countries have such large debts. Some governments, such as Brazil’s, printed money to pay off the debt and this led to hyperinflation, reduced confidence in the economy and caused massive disinvestment,”

The closure of borders to ward off competition has been proven not to work and should be abolished.

The significance of the subject tell us that governments should not try to create national champions by “protecting” them from competition or by subsidising them. Nigeria even had a remarkable case to learn, operation feed the nation was a Goverment policy which was aim to grow the local food production and reduce Nigeria dependence of foreing product, but as history will have it, the opposite was the case, the over population of the country frustrated the policy and the ecomical implication is what we have today. logically telling us no country can entirely be self sustainable....



There are have been reports of food inflation in Nigeria now.

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Re: Closing the border is never a solution to Nigeria economic predicament .. by vaxx2: 12:17pm On Nov 04, 2019
copied form IMAN and edited by vaxx2.
Re: Closing the border is never a solution to Nigeria economic predicament .. by Iamgrey5(m): 1:09pm On Nov 04, 2019
Bruv the border remains close cheesy

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Re: Closing the border is never a solution to Nigeria economic predicament .. by vaxx2: 1:17pm On Nov 04, 2019
Iamgrey5:
Bruv the border remains close cheesy
Why do you think closing the border is of anything beneficiary?

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Re: Closing the border is never a solution to Nigeria economic predicament .. by Iamgrey5(m): 1:19pm On Nov 04, 2019
vaxx2:
Why do you think closing the border is of anything beneficiary?

It's going to limit smuggling and encourage local production

Nigerians don't need cheap goods, Nigerians need jobs and employment opportunities.

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Re: Closing the border is never a solution to Nigeria economic predicament .. by PassingShot(m): 1:19pm On Nov 04, 2019
vaxx2:
Why do you think closing the border is of anything beneficiary?
When you become the president, open the border.

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Re: Closing the border is never a solution to Nigeria economic predicament .. by vaxx2: 1:26pm On Nov 04, 2019
Iamgrey5:


It's going to limit smuggling and encourage local production

Nigerians don't need cheap goods, Nigerians need jobs and employment opportunities.
Then this achievement cannot be established by closing the border. Distribution channel contribute about. 50 percent of Nigeria GDP. no buisness or organization can established thru out the 700 local goverment therefore it make sense for people to act as distributor for product. to get to their final consumer. Nigeria at the moment is not producing enough due to poor infrastructure and worrisome bureaucracy. what do you think will be. the next alternative.

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Re: Closing the border is never a solution to Nigeria economic predicament .. by Iamgrey5(m): 1:35pm On Nov 04, 2019
vaxx2:
Then this achievement cannot be established by closing the border. Distribution channel contribute about. 50 percent of Nigeria GDP. no buisness or organization can established thru out the 700 local goverment therefore it make sense for people to act as distributor for product. to get to their final consumer. Nigeria at the moment is not producing enough due to poor infrastructure and worrisome bureaucracy. what do you think will be. the next alternative.
Which country with a population of 100 million plus in the world today relies solely on distribution of goods?

is it Pakistan? Brazil? Indonesia? et al

All the countries I mentioned above are nations that relies heavily on production of goods and services to create the much needed employment for their population.

And although Nigerians realize that we have our limitations in terms of available infrastructural facilities, we also believe there are certain things we should be able to produce for ourselves because we have considerably cheap labour.

Agricultural industry seems like where we can trive and we would do anything to protect and nurture that industry.

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Re: Closing the border is never a solution to Nigeria economic predicament .. by Iriruaga100(m): 1:35pm On Nov 04, 2019
Article written by frank of IMAN is without clear direction. How do you grow your economy through importation? Nigeria has vast arable land for cultivation of rice and other agricultural produce. Same for other west African countries. Why do you have to import what you can produced locally? How do you grow local industries? This is the big question... Ghana and other should give us answers.

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Re: Closing the border is never a solution to Nigeria economic predicament .. by Blue3k(m): 1:36pm On Nov 04, 2019
You don't need to argue with the zealots. The NBS stats already proved Buhari's polices didnt work in 1st term. NBS wrote they will release unemployment stats in December we'll see any positive change accrues.

Nigeria's issue is productivity and policy. If you want to do tariff make them reasonable. Border security is good but you have to address the other factors.

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Re: Closing the border is never a solution to Nigeria economic predicament .. by rexwalters: 1:48pm On Nov 04, 2019
Blue3k:
You don't need to argue with the zealots. The NBS stats already proved Buhari's polices didnt work in 1st term. NBS wrote they will release unemployment stats in December we'll see any positive change accrues.

Nigeria's nigger issue is productivity and policy. If you want to do tariff make them reasonable. Border security is good but you have to address the other factors.

Well I believe you are aware that it is one step in the right direction at a time? You can't please all sectors of the economy at the same time, what President Buhari doesn't finish, will be carried on by his successor, most probably Jagaban of Africa.

Please mention any new administration wherever, who came to power from an opposition whose economic policies worked in it's 1st term?

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Re: Closing the border is never a solution to Nigeria economic predicament .. by vaxx2: 1:53pm On Nov 04, 2019
Iamgrey5:
Which country with a population of 100 million plus in the world today relies solely on distribution of goods?

is it Pakistan? Brazil? Indonesia? et al

All the countries I mentioned above are nations that relies heavily on production of goods and services to create the much needed employment for their population.

And although Nigerians realize that we have our limitations in terms of available infrastructural facilities, we also believe there are certain things we should be able to produce for ourselves because we have considerably cheap labour.

Agricultural industry seems like where we can trive and we would do anything to protect and nurture that industry.

Pakistan, Brazil and Indonesia All have basic infrastructure that it's fuelling their economy.. for Nigeria to shoulder up with this above nation, then it should developed its basic infrastructure first . and along the line , all this aforementioned country practice what is called comparative advantage. they import what is not enough or augment their production just to maintain above capacity . it is common to see America importing oil despite having it huge and in abundance and it is also common to see China importing rice despite having a large capacity to feed itself. comparative advantage has proven to be the efficient system of economy and whenever consumption exceed production , simple logics determine, more should be imported to augment the existing capacity.

Nigeria should be talking about industrialization now not agriculture. an industrialized enviroment will automatically improved mechanized farming.

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Re: Closing the border is never a solution to Nigeria economic predicament .. by MUMUdom: 2:21pm On Nov 04, 2019
so why don't you just close all your land borders, seaports and airports. nothing comes in, nothing goes out. just like north korea. that will be great for nigeria,huh? and you don't need to sign international treaties that requires you to open your borders to international trade. by the way, has nigeria stopped importation?

Iriruaga100:
Article written by frank of IMAN is without clear direction. How do you grow your economy through importation? Nigeria has vast arable land for cultivation of rice and other agricultural produce. Same for other west African countries. Why do you have to import what you can produced locally? How do you grow local industries? This is the big question... Ghana and other should give us answers.

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Re: Closing the border is never a solution to Nigeria economic predicament .. by Iamgrey5(m): 2:22pm On Nov 04, 2019
vaxx2:
Pakistan, Brazil and Indonesia All have basic infrastructure that it's fuelling their economy.. for Nigeria to shoulder up with this above nation, then it should developed its basic infrastructure first . and along the line , all this aforementioned country practice what is called comparative advantage. they import what is not enough or augment their production just to maintain above capacity . it is common to see America importing oil despite having it huge and in abundance and it is also common to see China importing rice despite having a large capacity to feed itself. comparative advantage has proven to be the efficient system of economy and whenever consumption exceed production , simple logics determine, more should be imported to augment the existing capacity.

Nigeria should be talking about industrialization now not agriculture. an industrialized enviroment will automatically improved mechanized farming .
Industrial revolution starts agricultural revelation in any country in the world.

We don't need much infrastructure to develop our agricultural industry. We need a large labour which we are already blessed with

Secondly, America have stopped importing oil in large quantities as soon as it figured out a way to tap its crude oil through fracking.

No country in the world imports what it can produce or where it might have a competitive advantage.
Re: Closing the border is never a solution to Nigeria economic predicament .. by vaxx2: 2:32pm On Nov 04, 2019
Iriruaga100:
Article written by frank of IMAN is without clear direction. How do you grow your economy through importation? Nigeria has vast arable land for cultivation of rice and other agricultural produce. Same for other west African countries. Why do you have to import what you can produced locally? [b]How do you grow local industries? [/b]This is the big question... Ghana and other should give us answers.
by improving public infrastructure and enhancing investment opportunity by removing the gridlock surrounding business enviroment.

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Re: Closing the border is never a solution to Nigeria economic predicament .. by Iriruaga100(m): 2:33pm On Nov 04, 2019
MUMUdom:

so why don't you just close all your land borders, seaports and airports. nothing comes in, nothing goes out. just like north korea. that will be great for nigeria,huh? and you don't need to sign international treaties that requires you to open your borders to international trade. by the way, has nigeria stopped importation?



You have not said anything new. Will importation grow local industries? You lot are helping to grow rice and other agricultural industries in Thailand, Taiwan and others.. Why don't your govt revamp local rice production. If you're talking about Ghana beyond aid, then you need to grow local industries that will pay tax to your govt. Treaties within the subregion is there to encourage trade amongst local producers not foreign goods..

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Re: Closing the border is never a solution to Nigeria economic predicament .. by Iriruaga100(m): 2:39pm On Nov 04, 2019
vaxx2:
by improving public infrastructure and enhancing investment opportunity by removing the gridlock surrounding business enviroment.

These are some of the key features that will enhance trade within the subregion... Trading within the region doesn't mean you import what is locally produced in the same region.
Re: Closing the border is never a solution to Nigeria economic predicament .. by efighter: 2:39pm On Nov 04, 2019
vaxx2:
Why do you think closing the border is of anything beneficiary?

Mr Economist, the border remain closed. Go and find another job beside smuggling.

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Re: Closing the border is never a solution to Nigeria economic predicament .. by vaxx2: 2:49pm On Nov 04, 2019
Iamgrey5:
Industrial revolution starts agricultural revelation in any country in the world.

We don't need much infrastructure to develop our agricultural industry. We need a large labour which we are already blessed with

Secondly, America have stopped importing oil in large quantities as soon as it figured out a way to tap its crude oil through fracking.

No country in the world imports what it can produce or where it might have a competitive advantage.
This is 21st century, no developed country talks about agriculture capacity anymore , every nation that deem to developed are now directing thier energy on industrialization capacity.

What you need in developing agricture is not about large pool of labour but skilful pool of labour who will be augmenting their work with technology. A million of unskillful farmer will end up producing stony rice as it is recorded.

America have stop importing oil from Nigeria but has double its import from Saudi Arabia and the rest of the gulf . America consumption far outweighs its production, so logic demand it import to compliment the existing capacity.. no single country in the world is self sufficient, even India the largest rice producer still import a small quantity of rice product from nearby Myanmar.

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Re: Closing the border is never a solution to Nigeria economic predicament .. by vaxx2: 2:51pm On Nov 04, 2019
Iriruaga100:


These are some of the key features that will enhance trade within the subregion... Trading within the region doesn't mean you import what is locally produced in the same region.
Once your consumption rate exceed production, logic demands you import to augment existing capacity.
Re: Closing the border is never a solution to Nigeria economic predicament .. by Iamgrey5(m): 2:55pm On Nov 04, 2019
vaxx2:
This is 21st century, no developed country talks about agriculture capacity anymore , every nation that deem to developed are now directing thier energy on industrialization capacity.

What you need in developing agricture is not about large pool of labour but skilful pool of labour who will be augmenting their work with technology. A million of unskillful farmer will end up producing stony rice as it is recorded.

America have stop importing oil from Nigeria but has double its import from Saudi Arabia and the rest of the gulf . America consumption far outweighs its production, so logic demand it import to compliment the existing capacity.. no single country in the world is self sufficient, even India the largest rice producer still import a small quantity of rice product from nearby Myanmar.

Bruv we can not start manufacturing sophisticated machines when we don't even have the capacity to manufacture simple machines.

We need to find employment for 100 million teeming youth, hence we need to rely on agricultural industry for that..

You are actually wrong about the information about America because it's actually planning to become a major exporter crude oil in the near future.
Re: Closing the border is never a solution to Nigeria economic predicament .. by vaxx2: 2:55pm On Nov 04, 2019
efighter:


Mr Economist, the border remain closed. Go and find another job beside smuggling.
Anyway Mr anonymous, I am not a smuggler and neither am I direct beneficial but by faith, I know many Nigerians whose lively hood of income are largely depended on this and have also employed Nigerians thru this chain of cross border business legally . the policy now is frustrating this buisness.
Re: Closing the border is never a solution to Nigeria economic predicament .. by Blue3k(m): 3:01pm On Nov 04, 2019
rexwalters:
Well I believe you are aware that it is one step in the right direction at a time? You can't please all sectors of the economy at the same time, what President Buhari doesn't finish, will be carried on by his successor, most probably Jagaban of Africa.

Please mention any new administration wherever, who came to power from an opposition whose economic policies worked in it's 1st term?

No I dont believe we're in right step. I'll gladly change my mind of new data shows improvement. I can't do Nigeria since economic data is scant. I would say Trump if we're focusing on unemployment. I doubt he's the first and only. He would've bragged about it by now.
Re: Closing the border is never a solution to Nigeria economic predicament .. by vaxx2: 3:16pm On Nov 04, 2019
Iamgrey5:
Bruv we can not start manufacturing sophisticated machines when we don't even have the capacity to manufacture simple machines.

We need to find employment for 100 million teeming youth, hence we need to rely on agricultural industry for that..

Actually got are actually wrong about the information about America because it's actually planning to become a major exporter crude oil in the near future.


You don't need to get involved in high tech capacity before becoming industrious, the basic infrastructure should first be improved.Access to electricity, Good water supply and logistics channel are what lead to industrialized enviroment. Without this, the basic effort are meaningless. Engaging the teeming youth should be by providing them with skillable profession , A skilful youth can turn entrepreneur on its own but the effect of it work must come from the existing infrastructure that has been piloted by the goverment..

America had increase its export capacity from Saudi Arabia, this is fact . and despite America aim of becoming a net exporter of oil , it will not not stop it from importing oil. sicne oil is of diffrent varieties . America refinery process heavy oil while most of the sweet oil comes from Nigeria, Angola and recently Ghana. this are oil which cost very little to process since they contain very minimal amount of sulphur

America being an exporter doesn't stop it from being an importer. it is just how China still import Germany car despite being an automobile hub itself. You have to understand comparative advantage and how it works.
Re: Closing the border is never a solution to Nigeria economic predicament .. by meccuno: 3:23pm On Nov 04, 2019
You explain why it is economically not sensible to close the borders they call you are smuggler. As one individual said no matter the quantity you produce, you still have to augment. People talk about jobs from agriculture. Please what kind of jobs? Must everybody go to the farm? As another individual said,what we need is employment of a skilled work force. How do people actually think that we can survive or compete when running agriculture like in the days of okonkwo of things fall apart? You need a skilled work force to even go into agriculture not a bunch of iliterate farmers who do not know what it takes to produce in a massive scale. By the way, how did we end up having a discussion on rice as boosting the economy? Nigeria is going down.

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Re: Closing the border is never a solution to Nigeria economic predicament .. by Iamgrey5(m): 3:25pm On Nov 04, 2019
vaxx2:
You don't need to get involved in high tech capacity before becoming industrious, the basic infrastructure should first be improved.Access to electricity, Good water supply and logistics channel are what lead to industrialized enviroment. Without this, the basic effort are meaningless. Engaging the teeming youth should be by providing them with skillable profession , A skilful youth can turn entrepreneur on its own but the effect of it work must come from the existing infrastructure that has been piloted by the goverment..

America had increase its export capacity from Saudi Arabia, this is fact . and despite America aim of becoming a net exporter of oil , it will not not stop it from importing oil. sicne oil is of diffrent varieties . America refinery process heavy oil while most of the sweet oil comes from Nigeria, Angola and recently Ghana. this are oil which cost very little to process since they contain very minimal amount of sulphur

America being an exporter doesn't it stop it from being an importer. it is just how China still import Germany car despite being an automobile hub itself. You have to understand comparative advantage and how it works.

Like I said earlier, you are basically lying about America increasing its crude oil from Saudi Arabia.

How can America hope to leave its energy security in the hands of Saudi Arabia when it wants to become a major exporter of crude oil at the same time.


@ Nigeria

Are you suggesting we wish Nigerian's problems away in the meantime while we continue to depend on smugglers for cheap products until we can fix all our infrastructure?

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Re: Closing the border is never a solution to Nigeria economic predicament .. by vaxx2: 3:26pm On Nov 04, 2019
meccuno:
You explain why it is economically not sensible to close the borders they call you are smuggler. As one individual said no matter the quantity you produce, you still have to augment. People talk about jobs from agriculture. Please what kind of jobs? Must everybody go to the farm? As another individual said,what we need is employment of a skilled work force. How do people actually think that we can survive or compete when running agriculture like in the days of okonkwo of things fall apart? You need a skilled work force to even go into agriculture not a bunch of iliterate farmers who do not know what it takes to produce in a massive scale. By the way, how did we end up having a discussion on rice as boosting the economy? Nigeria is going down.
i am happy someone is making sense.
Re: Closing the border is never a solution to Nigeria economic predicament .. by MUMUdom: 3:26pm On Nov 04, 2019
And who told you that the goods being exported to nigeria from ghana were not made in ghana? try and be honest. nigeria signed ecowas trade liberalisation agreements and even africa trade agreement and then turned around to break those same laws. nigerian just signed the africa trade agreement and then few weeks later turned around to close its borders. what kind of nonsense is that? why not close you borders, seaports and airports entirely?

by the way, is nigeria not importing rice? has nigerian banned rice imports? are you saying rice is not being smuggled into your country through the seaports and airports?

now that they have closed the borders, tell me one policy the governmnet has introduced to stop imports. it is obvious this whole nonsense is targetted at west african neighbours. but nigeria will pay a big price for this insolence. i know what I am talking.about. nigeria is not an island, and nigeria today is very very vulnerable.

Iriruaga100:



You have not said anything new. Will importation grow local industries? You lot are helping to grow rice and other agricultural industries in Thailand, Taiwan and others.. Why don't your govt revamp local rice production. If you're talking about Ghana beyond aid, then you need to grow local industries that will pay tax to your govt. Treaties within the subregion is there to encourage trade amongst local producers not foreign goods..
Re: Closing the border is never a solution to Nigeria economic predicament .. by meccuno: 3:31pm On Nov 04, 2019
vaxx2:
i am happy someone is making sense.
But that's the truth. When in our history as a geographical entity has rice been a major foreign exchange earner and job creation for us? The world is leaving us behind. For me to take this government seriously is when they boost the allocation for Education and infrastructure.

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Re: Closing the border is never a solution to Nigeria economic predicament .. by vaxx2: 3:45pm On Nov 04, 2019
Iamgrey5:
Like I said earlier, you are basically lying about America increasing its crude oil from Saudi Arabia.

How can America hope to leave its energy security in the hands of Saudi Arabia when it wants to become a major exporter of crude oil at the same time.


@ Nigeria

Are you suggesting we wish Nigeria problems away in the meantime while we continue to depend on smugglers for cheap products until we can fix all our infrastructure?


nah , what Nigerians need is to copy from the the best practise in the world , Hong Kong is a good country Nigeria can copy , goods are profile and exporter are documented to separate shaft from beans . empowering customs with logistics and the use of modern technology can go a long way to stop smuggling . no nations in the world close border with its neighbour when she is not in wars with them or she is preventing a communicable diseases like Ebola and the rest.


I am seriously dissapointed in you? so you can't even make a little research on your own to validate or invalidate my response regarding America stands on oil . Anyway I shall be providing screenshot of. my proof about America current oil importation/ exportation and the names of the countries that does the dealing .

Re: Closing the border is never a solution to Nigeria economic predicament .. by Iamgrey5(m): 4:05pm On Nov 04, 2019
vaxx2:
nah , what Nigerians need is to copy from the the best practise in the world , Hong Kong is a good country Nigeria can copy , goods are profile and exporter are documented to separate shaft from beans . empowering customs with logistics and the use of modern technology can go a long way to stop smuggling . no nations in the world close border with its neighbour when she is not in wars with them or she is preventing a communicable diseases like Ebola and the rest.


I am seriously dissapointed in you? so you can't even make a little research on your own to validate or invalidate my response regarding America stands on oil . Anyway I shall be providing screenshot of. my proof about America current oil importation/ exportation and the names of the countries that does the dealing .
You are not serious.

We are in 2019 not 2018 and where in your article is it stated that America would want to scale up imports from Saudi Arabia?


Honk kong is a small city state in china that relies on mainland china for its economic development and stability.

How can you compare Hong Kong to Nigeria?

Compare Nigeria to China that closed its borders for nearly 40 years.

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Re: Closing the border is never a solution to Nigeria economic predicament .. by MUMUdom: 4:08pm On Nov 04, 2019
Ghana Trains Nigerian Technicians in Power Transmission
Ghana Grid Company Limited (GRIDCo), has started a 5-day training workshop for technical staff of the Transmission Company of Nigeria (TCN), as part of GRIDCo’s growing partnership with power utilities within the sub-region.

Opening the training programme, Mr. Mark Baah, Director of System Operations welcomed the trainees and urged them to take the entire workshop seriously since the main objective is to improve on the efficiency of power delivery both locally and internationally. He added that, electricity accessibility in Ghana currently, stands at 86%.
Mr. Baah said, it is necessary for both countries to design a format to continue with the training arrangement for progress for efficiency in power supply within the sub-region.
Narrating how Ghana’s grid system has grown, Mr. Baah said Ghana’s installed power capacity has doubled, with about 6,000 circuit kilometers of transmission lines.
He revealed that, the Supervisory Control and Data Acquisition (SCADA) which started as an analog system but has been transformed into digital.
He reiterated the need for power utilities to do diligent procurement of their SCADA to avoid frequent system breakdowns with resultant high financial cost in repairs.
The Director, Human Resource and Services, Wing Cdr. Samuel Allotey, run the trainees through the training structure with the ultimate goal for them to be familiar with activities in GRIDCo’s SCADA and Telecommunication Systems.
He indicated that, GRIDCo is adopting three basic training methodologies. These are: Instructional, Interactive and Fieldwork, adding that SCADA is very technical and trainees need hands-on exposure to be able to manage their SCADA and Telecommunication Systems

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