Sometimes those whom we see as intelligent folks making some stupid pronunciation that will make you cringe
Does religion lower human iq or does it attract people of lower Iq
Another of my observations is chances are 70% of those who believed 100% of what they preach or what their pastors preach end up poor.
Who can explain this phenomenon to me.

Why do good threads hardly make front page? I’m beginning to feel quality queries are not marketable.

meobizy:
Why do good threads hardly make front page? I’m beginning to feel quality queries are not marketable.

my brother Nairaland is no longer what it used to be, it's now about tonto, bbn ETC.

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sweetonugbu:
Sometimes those whom we see as intelligent folks making some stupid pronunciation that will make you cringe
Does religion lower human iq or does it attract people of lower Iq
Another of my observations is chances are 70% of those who believed 100% of what they preach or what their pastors preach end up poor.
Who can explain this phenomenon to me.

Oh my god. But all these happen even if a woman sits at the passenger seat?

TVSA:


Oh my god. But all these happen even if a woman sits at the passenger seat?

that is the funniest part.

sweetonugbu:
Sometimes those whom we see as intelligent folks making some stupid pronunciation that will make you cringe
Does religion lower human iq or does it attract people of lower Iq
Another of my observations is chances are 70% of those who believed 100% of what they preach or what their pastors preach end up poor.
Who can explain this phenomenon to me.

That's an article from The Independent in May last year. Note that numerous studies have evidenced the negative correlation between IQ and religiosity. However there are multiple factors to consider, and this article sets out their own paper.

This does not mean that all theists are unintelligent or less intelligent than atheists.

The research shows an anomaly, that on average IQ's are lower in religious demographics. It's not hard for example to see why it's easier to be indoctrinated or manipulate someone as their intelligence quotient lowers.

A far more salient question for me has always been why extremely intelligent people are superstitious. Invariably high achievers with correspondingly high intelligence tend to be atheistic, but not always.

Taking America as an example, religiosity among elite scientists almost mirrors the opposite of the general populace, yet there are members of the elite scientific associations who are theists.

Francis Collins, head of the human genome project and a leader in the field of genetics is a born again christian.

He must be a thorn in the side of creationists of course, but if you read about his "epiphany" he claims convinced him the christian deity is real it's risible, especially for a man of his intellect. I mean it's truly baffling to me someone as intelligent as Collins would think seeing a waterfall frozen into 3 parts confirmed the trinity, yet this is what he claims.

XxSabrinaxX:


A far more salient question for me has always been why extremely intelligent people are superstitious. Invariably high achievers with correspondingly high intelligence tend to be atheistic, but not always.

this is where I am confused, do they really believe it or they just pretend so as to fit in?.

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Religious persons with high iq do not apply reason if it questions their faith.

Its worse with those with low iq as they do not even have reasons to doubt any of their religious beliefs.

ScepticalPyrrho:
Religious persons with high iq do not apply reason if it questions their faith.

Its worse with those with low iq as they do not even have reasons to doubt any of their religious beliefs.

they will swear as if they are present when the said event happened

These are people's father,mother,sister,brother,uncle,aunty. Laying down for their pastor to pass.

I can only speak from the perspective of Christianity.

Christianity does not lower IQ (on the contrary God gives you more wisdom) but expects you to submit your will to God. The average human being gets upset when his or her will is restricted or hampered. This is why we need the grace of God to do this.

Now, there are people who go to ridiculous extent to do some strange things such as worshipping their Pastor (instead of God), eating grass as commanded by their Pastor etc...when you closely examine their intents, they are not even that interested in God, they just want what God can give- how their needs can be met- and so, they will rather take selfish and lazy routes rather than do both the actual spiritual and physical work. It will appear they have low IQ but they are selfish, greedy and ignorant people. Okay, some may actually have low IQ in this sense...lol.

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If you as an unbeliever is trying to use human comprehension to understand the things of the Spirit, then you are on your own because this is an entirely different case! This is because God uses the foolish things of this world to confound "the wise".
It is fallacy to associate believing in God with low IQ on the average when Albert Einstein even believed in God. And the wisest person recorded is in the word of God.

And who IQ help anyway?? The race of life is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, nor the success to those with high IQs.

sweetonugbu:
this is where I am confused, do they really believe it or they just pretend so as to fit in?.

I'd say some truly believe. In her book "Why We Lie" Dorothy Rowe suggests irrational beliefs have as much to do with emotional issues as intelligence levels.

Those who have been indoctrinated as children into religious faiths tend to identify with that faith at very personal levels and any challenges to that faith will be taken as a personal attack at a subconcious level. In these cases intelligence can be trumped by deep seated inability of a person to seperate their ideas from themselves. You are not your ideas.

This might explain why academics suddenly convert to religious faiths if long suppressed and unaddressed indoctrination pushes them to seek some form of emotional comfort in overt expression, despite obvious contradictions to their professional lives.
One example that has always intrigued me was the scientist who claimed to have refound his god in the shape of his baby daughter's ear. I studied my niece's ear and while marvelling at the complexity only found Nature.

It's also important to remember that whilst intelligence can help you make critical and analytical decisions and reduce the intuition and emotion behind choices, there are no guarantees, and if course many other factors at play.

Human intelligence is first and foremost fallible, and of course even at genius level it's likely to be anachronistic. It's easy to demean ideas now that were considered profound during periods where education was non- existent for almost everyone beyond practical applications needed for day to day survival.

Newton was a genius whose scientific theories on gravity advanced human knowledge exponentially. Yet he also was an alchemist, an astrologer, and of course a christian.

His science mark's him as a genius, the superstitions were of the period and merely show he was fallible like everyone else. The science is revered because it can be supported by objective facts.

How many people live and die even today not knowing who Newton was, or having even a basic grasp of his scientific work?

I have no more than a middling intellect, and a mediocre formal education, and I try never to forget that.

Religious people are dumber than atheist on the average it's a scientifically proven fact, well I see reason to believe it, because who would believe the Moon was split and joined together

sholay2011:
I can only speak from the perspective of Christianity.

Christianity does not lower IQ (on the contrary God gives you more wisdom) but expects you to submit your will to God. The average human being gets upset when his or her will is restricted or hampered. This is why we need the grace of God to do this.

Now, there are people who go to ridiculous extent to do some strange things such as worshipping their Pastor (instead of God), eating grass as commanded by their Pastor etc...when you closely examine their intents, they are not even that interested in God, they just want what God can give- how their needs can be met- and so, they will rather take selfish and lazy routes rather than do both the actual spiritual and physical work. It will appear they have low IQ but they are selfish, greedy and ignorant people. Okay, some may actually have low IQ in this sense...lol.

BUT

If you as an unbeliever is trying to use human comprehension to understand the things of the Spirit, then you are on your own because this is an entirely different case! This is because God uses the foolish things of this world to confound "the wise".
It is fallacy to associate believing in God with low IQ on the average when Albert Einstein even believed in God. And the wisest person recorded is in the word of God.

And who IQ help anyway?? The race of life is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, nor the success to those with high IQs.

Dude Einstein wasn't a theist.He doesn't believe in your version of God. Hes a pantheist

XxSabrinaxX:

I'd say some truly believe. In her book "Why We Lie" Dorothy Rowe suggests irrational beliefs have as much to do with emotional issues as intelligence levels.

Those who have been indoctrinated as children into religious faiths tend to identify with that faith at very personal levels and any challenges to that faith will be taken as a personal attack at a subconcious level. In these cases intelligence can be trumped by deep seated inability of a person to seperate their ideas from themselves. You are not your ideas.

This might explain why academics suddenly convert to religious faiths if long suppressed and unaddressed indoctrination pushes them to seek some form of emotional comfort in overt expression, despite obvious contradictions to their professional lives.
One example that has always intrigued me was the scientist who claimed to have refound his god in the shape of his baby daughter's ear. I studied my niece's ear and while marvelling at the complexity only found Nature.

It's also important to remember that whilst intelligence can help you make critical and analytical decisions and reduce the intuition and emotion behind choices, there are no guarantees, and if course many other factors at play.

Human intelligence is first and foremost fallible, and of course even at genius level it's likely to be anachronistic. It's easy to demean ideas now that were considered profound during periods where education was non- existent for almost everyone beyond practical applications needed for day to day survival.

Newton was a genius whose scientific theories on gravity advanced human knowledge exponentially. Yet he also was an alchemist, an astrologer, and of course a christian.

His science mark's him as a genius, the superstitions were of the period and merely show he was fallible like everyone else. The science is revered because it can be supported by objective facts.

How many people live and die even today not knowing who Newton was, or having even a basic grasp of his scientific work?

I have no more than a middling intellect, and a mediocre formal education, and I try never to forget that.

Newton doesn't believe in Jesus Christ, and was known as a heretic. Y'all should do your research. Why should I be doing your work for you

Religion is the Niddle's Eye to IQ Connect.

Olorunnim:
Religious people are dumber than atheist on the average it's a scientifically proven fact,

NO!

it's just the religious suspended their intellect when it comes to their religion, outside that they're just as intelligent as the average human. if you really want to test a religious person's intelligence then ask him his opinion on a rival religion. eg ask a Christian what he thinks of Islam and a Muslim what she thinks of Christianity

hopefulLandlord:
NO!

it's just the religious suspended their intellect when it comes to their religion, outside that they're just as intelligent as the average human. if you really want to test a religious person's intelligence then ask him his opinion on a rival religion. eg ask a Christian what he thinks of Islam and a Muslim what she thinks of Christianity

you are very very funny.

jaephoenix:

Newton doesn't believe in Jesus Christ, and was known as a heretic. Y'all should do your research. Why should I be doing your work for you

Since I never claimed anything about his belief in Jesus, that's a spectacularly stupid own goal . He held to Christian belief was all I said, try learning to read. I never claimed he adhered to an orthodox christian belief did I? He did not believe in the trinity. Try doing a proper research, sonny.

Newton was a Unitarian and he's been dead quite a long time. Unitarians today, think most christians, are the heretics.

I hereby absolve you of doing any research for me, y'hear? Your feeble attempts at marshalling relevant and worthy information of any sort is simply too shoddy

XxSabrinaxX:


Since I never claimed anything about his belief in Jesus, that's a spectacularly stupid own goal . He held to Christian belief was all I said, try learning to read. I never claimed he adhered to an orthodox christian belief did I? He did not believe in the trinity. Try doing a proper research, sonny.

Newton was a Unitarian and he's been dead quite a long time. Unitarians today, think most christians, are the heretics.

I hereby absolve you of doing any research for me, y'hear? Your feeble attempts at marshalling relevant and worthy information of any sort is simply too shoddy

The point is even as a religious person indoctrinated from birth and living in the seventeenth century,he still would develop a much more rational version of his faith.

sweetonugbu:
Sometimes those whom we see as intelligent folks making some stupid pronunciation that will make you cringe
Does religion lower human iq or does it attract people of lower Iq
Another of my observations is chances are 70% of those who believed 100% of what they preach or what their pastors preach end up poor.
Who can explain this phenomenon to me.

Religion doesn't lower ones IQ,its meant to increase it,but some people actually turned it to a political tool to control the masses.Check early Muslim Philosophers,they developed the world we live today from Mathematics to Science and Medicine.How can someone with low IQ memorize a whole book of upto 6000+ words and not mistake them for one another.

Your village people, your enemies,your uncle's are against your progress na lie, you are your problem

My question

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