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| Acts 2:33 - One Of Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity Doctrine by BIBLESPEAKS(m): 8:27am On Dec 15, 2019 |
Acts 2:33 - A Scripture That Issues Multiple Problems For the Trinity Doctrine. "Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor... in the Old Testament." - The New Encyclopedia Britannica, 1985, Micropedia, vol. 11, p. 928. Trinitarians themselves admit that "The Trinity...is an INFERRED doctrine, gathered ECLECTICALLY from the entire Canon". - page 630 of the highly trinitarian publication, Today's Dictionary of the Bible , Bethany House Publishers, 1982. ------------------------------------------------- Not only is the doctrine not found in the Bible, but there are literally hundreds of Scriptures and passages that prove to be large problems for the belief that the Trinity is Scriptural. Acts 2:33 is but one of them. Acts 2:33 says in the New Living Translation: "Now he [Jesus] sits on the throne of highest honor in heaven ("highest position"; GOD'S WORD Translation), at God's right hand. And the Father, as he had promised, gave him the Holy Spirit to pour out upon us, just as you see and hear today." First, if Jesus really is God, then wouldn't the place of "highest honor in heaven" be the position of being God Himself rather than being at "God's right hand"? Second, if Jesus really is God, then how can Jesus be "exalted" in the first place? Third, if Jesus really is God, then why is God mentioned as a separate and distinct individual FROM Jesus in this Scripture? Fourth, only the Father is equated to being God in this Scripture which is consistent with the rest of the Bible. The Bible repeatedly makes it clear that there is only one Almighty God and that only the Father "whose name alone is Jehovah" is God. (Psalms 83:18; 1 Cor. 8:6; Ephesians 4:6; Rom. 15:6; 2 Corinthians 11:31; Revelation 1:6; etc.) Jesus himself acknowledged this. (John 17:3) HOLY SPIRIT This Scripture ALSO shows how the supposed third person of the Trinity (the Holy Spirit) is not God nor even a person. Fifth, notice how the NT Greek Lexicon describes the Holy Spirit as "this" at Acts 2:33 which identifies the Holy Spirit as a thing - not a person: Sixth, also notice that God poured out [ekxeo, ekxew] His Holy Spirit. In all cases ekxeo ("poured out"  refers to things. Holy Spirit, then, is a thing that may be poured out in portions. (See Num. 11:17, 25 and Acts 2:17,18 where God poured Holy Spirit from His Holy Spirit.) You simply do not pour out persons in measured portions upon other persons!3 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Acts 2:33 - One Of Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity Doctrine by Nobody: 9:35am On Dec 15, 2019 |
Trinity might not have been mentioned unambiguously but there are so many doctrines like that as well that we put together from understanding and connecting of other valid scriptures....so it doesn’t make trinity invalid.. this reason is why people say things like is cigarettes, or marijuana or transgender or cosmetic surgery mentioned in the Bible... like the doctrine of permissive will and perfect will that was never mentioned word for word...but was clearly seen in the book of Samuel when the children of isreal asked for a king to copy the other idol worshipping nation around them....God said to Samuel, they have rejected Me with this they are asking for and it will bring evil nd oppression if one man is appointed to rule over a whole nation... which is what eventually happened and is happening today all over the world... However, he said if the king u appoint can fear me and obey my voice,it’s all Good....So he told Samuel to anoint Saul for them which was the first king of isreal....this is also is one of the many proofs that God sometimes do not interfere with the free will he has given man...someone somewhere has to pray for God’s hand... Back to trinity: .. 1john 5v7 clearly said there are 3 that bears record in heaven.. the father, the word(Jesus) and the Holy Spirit.... Jesus constantly spoke of the father clearly letting us know there’s is God the father..........he also spoke of him self for example john8v48-49..that before Moses ever existed he had was... ......and then he officially introduced the ministry of the Holt spirit in John 16v7 ..which had been at work from the beginning cos it’s the same holy spirit that was at work in Moses and the appointed 70 elders, same in Daniel, Isaiah etc.... so in my opinion, to say there’s a tri-divinity entity existing in heaven from the beginning of time isn’t false.....it’s right there in scriptures 1 Like |
| Re: Acts 2:33 - One Of Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity Doctrine by BIBLESPEAKS(m): 10:08am On Dec 15, 2019 |
1StopRudeness: The History of the development of the Trinity Doctrine. It is certain that, in spite of the popularity of such concepts as Trinity in the false religions surrounding them, the faithful Jewish people and prophets of the Old Testament never accepted a three-in-one God. It is true that the unfaithful among the Israelites often borrowed pagan gods, pagan customs, and pagan concepts (including Baal and Astarte) and added them to their God-given religion. But there is no record (scriptural or secular) of a trinity concept even among them. Faithful Israel had only one God and He was always a single individual named Jehovah (possibly pronounced "Yahweh" or "Yehowah" in Hebrew - see the PRONOUNCE study), their Father in heaven - (Deut. 6:4, 5; Is. 64:8; Ps. 83:16-18). That is the concept known as monotheism (meaning "one person alone is God" ."The religion of the [Old Testament] and Judaism is monotheistic and personal. 1. In the [Old Testament] the words el, eloah, and elohim , from related roots, are generic designations of God. Alongside and alternating with them stands the individual, personal name Yahweh [Jehovah] ." - The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology , vol. 2, p. 67. Professor of ecclesiastical history L. L. Paine L. L. Paine, A Critical History Of The Evolution Of Trinitarianism , p. 4, tells us : "The Old Testament is strictly monotheistic. God is a single personal being . The idea that a trinity is to be found there ... is utterly without foundation." [ 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 ] And Lohse states: "From the very beginning, of course, Christians not only believed in God in the sense in which the Jews did , but they also believed in Jesus Christ ." - p. 38 , A Short History of Christian Doctrine , Bernard Lohse, 1985, Fortress Press. This, then, was the faith that Jesus passed on to his Apostles. This is the truth that the Apostles passed on to their followers (who lived and taught this very same concept up to at least 150 A. D.). "In this period [1st century A.D.] churches were still regarded as synagogues, whose members prayed three times a day and fasted twice a week like Jews... They professed monotheism in the same terms as did the Jews . .... Within individual congregations they continued to think, argue, and act like their Jewish counterparts." - pp. 121-122, The Rise of Christianity, W. H. C. Frend (trinitarian), 1985, Fortress Press. It was not until over 300 years after the death of Jesus that the trinity concept was fully developed, refined, and officially and finally accepted by Christendom through a decree by the Church at Rome. " Speculative thought began to analyze the divine nature until in the 4th century an elaborate theory of a threefoldness in God appears. In this Nicene or Athanasian form of thought God is said to consist of three persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, all equally eternal, powerful and glorious." - Encyclopedia Americana, 1944, v. 6, p. 619, "Christianity". Yes, finally, by the end of the 4th century A.D., the trinity idea had been fully developed. The Roman Church had officially decreed the following points as being necessary for all Christians to believe: There are said to be three divine persons - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit - in the Godhead . (1) Each of these separate persons is said to be eternal, none coming before or after the other in time. (2) Each is said to be almighty , with none greater or lesser than the other. (3) Each is said to be omniscient , knowing all things. (4) Each is said to be true God . (5) However, it is said that there are not three Gods but only one God . But we should understand that in the more than 2,000 years from Abraham to the death of the last Apostle, John, Judaeo-Christianity had only one God, Jehovah ("YHWH" , the Fatheralone . (Cf. Ps. 83:18, KJV , ASV; Is. 63:16, ASV; and John 17:1, 3 - compare Jer.10:10, ASV). But what about the powerful religious systems around them which controlled or profoundly influenced the entire known civilized world? Babylon, Egypt, India, Greece etc. all had Trinitarian concepts in their worship of many Gods. 2 Likes |
| Re: Acts 2:33 - One Of Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity Doctrine by Nobody: 10:28am On Dec 15, 2019 |
BIBLESPEAKS: U have a lot of history and theology going on here....and u seem like one of those that don’t analyse other people’s opinion....u just reel out bunch of information...this is not dialogue ....Jesus introduced the holyspirit as an entity, as a personality in john16v7....if u don’t want to consider it based on ur foundational beliefs that’s fine....enjoy ur day 1 Like |
| Re: Acts 2:33 - One Of Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity Doctrine by BIBLESPEAKS(m): 10:42am On Dec 15, 2019 |
1StopRudeness: I do intact analyze people opinion. I've bee doing that for a long time now. Have you considered the way the Bible describes the Holy Spirit? The Bible describes the Holy Spirit as an "it"? (Is. 34:16 ASV, KJV; Numbers 11:17, 25 ASV, KJV, RSV, NRSV, AT, LB, NEB, REB, NAB, JB, NJB; and Romans 8:16, 26 in the KJV.) The Bible describes the Holy Spirit as a thing that can be poured out into portions? (Acts 2:17, 18, 33; Numbers 11:17, 25) The holy spirit is nameless and indistinguishable from all of the other holy spirits. 2 Likes |
| Re: Acts 2:33 - One Of Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity Doctrine by Nobody: 11:46am On Dec 15, 2019 |
BIBLESPEAKS: So how did Jesus himself describe the Holy Spirit..in john 16v7.?? Cos u keep ignoring that part...:: Don’t confuse the operation or the manifestation of the holyspirit with any other thing...how one receives the holyspirit has nothing to do with the personality of the holyspirit cos u keep stressing this like it’s some proof...that the holyspirit isn’t an entity in its own.... When Paul was teaching on the fruit or gift or manifestation the holyspirit in Corinthians chapter 12.....he was emphatic in ver 11 that the power of the holyspirit can manifest in different people in diverse form me as the spirit choses... To connect scriptures clearly.. Jesus already made it clear that the will of the father and the son are one and the spirit will take of the father and reveal to us....he said he will not speak of himself meaning that we should be rest assured the spirit will no speak contrary to to Jesus or the father... Math 12v32 as said by Jesus made another clear dinstiction speaking on sinnning against the Holy Spirit... |
| Re: Acts 2:33 - One Of Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity Doctrine by Aizenosa(m): 12:56pm On Dec 15, 2019 |
OP you are really really trying to get yourself confused. The Trinity doctrine is very specific in the sense that: 1. It comprises three persons The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit and that they are in fact one God, not different God's. 2. Each person is distinct from each other. The Father is the Father, The Son is the Son and The Holy Spirit is The Holy Spirit each performing different functions but having the same substance, aim and goal. In scriptures if we were Israelites today, we would first hear of The Father and The Holy Spirit and The Son will be prophesied to come. But as we are now and we read of the creation story you hear in Genesis, "let us" make man in our own image and likeness. It is only God who carried out creation, so definitely God was not speaking to angels. Also, the Bible said pray for what you need in Christ name, if Jesus was a creation would it not be an insult to first consult a creation before the creator hence Jesus is not a creation but the creator. To enforce this Jesus said I and My Father are one. At the name of Jesus every kneel must bow either on earth, in heaven or under the world. At this point I leave you with this. Peace. |
| Re: Acts 2:33 - One Of Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity Doctrine by Ihedinobi3: 1:27pm On Dec 15, 2019 |
BIBLESPEAKS:[5]Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, [6]who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, [7]but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. [8]Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. [9]For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, [10]so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, [11]and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:5-11 NASB [5]Therefore, when He comes into the world, He says, "Sacrifice and offering You have not desired, But a body You have prepared for Me; [6]In whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You have taken no pleasure. [7]"Then I said, 'Behold, I have come (In the scroll of the book it is written of Me) To do Your will, O God.'" Hebrews 10:5-7 NASB [1]God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, [2]in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. [3]And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, [4]having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they. [5]For to which of the angels did He ever say, "You are My Son, Today I have begotten You"? And again, "I will be a Father to Him And He shall be a Son to Me"? [6]And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says, "And let all the angels of God worship Him." [7]And of the angels He says, "Who makes His angels winds, And His ministers a flame of fire." [8]But of the Son He says, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, And the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom. [9]"You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness above Your companions." [10]And, "You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the works of Your hands; [11]They will perish, but You remain; And they all will become old like a garment, [12]And like a mantle You will roll them up; Like a garment they will also be changed. But You are the same, And Your years will not come to an end." [13]But to which of the angels has He ever said, "Sit at My right hand, Until I make Your enemies A footstool for Your feet"? [14]Are they not all ministering spirits, sent out to render service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation? Hebrews 1:1-14 NASB [9]But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone. [10]For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to perfect the author of their salvation through sufferings. [11]For both He who sanctifies and those who are sanctified are all from one Father; for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren, [12]saying, "I will proclaim Your name to My brethren, In the midst of the congregation I will sing Your praise." [13]And again, "I will put My trust in Him." And again, "Behold, I and the children whom God has given Me." [14]Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, [15]and might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives. [16]For assuredly He does not give help to angels, but He gives help to the descendant of Abraham. [17]Therefore, He had to be made like His brethren in all things, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. [18]For since He Himself was tempted in that which He has suffered, He is able to come to the aid of those who are tempted. Hebrews 2:9-18 NASB [7]Therefore, just as the Holy Spirit says, "Today if you hear His voice, [8]Do not harden your hearts as when they provoked Me, As in the day of trial in the wilderness, [9]Where your fathers tried Me by testing Me, And saw My works for forty years. [10]"Therefore I was angry with this generation, And said, 'They always go astray in their heart, And they did not know My ways'; [11]As I swore in My wrath, 'They shall not enter My rest.'" Hebrews 3:7-11 NASB [31]"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. [32]Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come. Matthew 12:31-32 NASB |
| Re: Acts 2:33 - One Of Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity Doctrine by Janosky: 12:40pm On Apr 18, 2020 |
Ihedinobi3: Is there any record any where in your Bible where anyone had one on one conversation with holy spirit ? NONE !! . Yahweh had one on one with Abram. Jesus had with Saul. The martyr Stephen didn't even see it (holy spirit) in heaven. ; (Abi your holy spirit go message that time when Stephen see the vision. )  God's people spoke Yahweh's message through holy spirit 2 Sam23:2. Mark 12:36. For instance,"The newspaper reported", the Paper said " , that in no way implied that the Paper is a living Being giving a Report or making a speech. Jesus Christ calls holy spirit " power from on high" his Father promised to Jesus disciples. Luke 24:49 John 20:21-22 …21Again Jesus said to them, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent Me, so also I am sending you.” 22When He had said this, He breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. Trinitarians claim his power and knowledge is limited by human nature (Matt24:36 ) na where Jesus get power to breathe God into his disciples (John 20:22).? 1 Like |
| Re: Acts 2:33 - One Of Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity Doctrine by Apination(m): 4:17pm On Apr 18, 2020 |
BIBLESPEAKS:Jehovah is not the name of God. There's nowhere throughout history where God referred to himself as such. Before you quote me to defend yourself, make a research on it. |
| Re: Acts 2:33 - One Of Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity Doctrine by BIBLESPEAKS(m): 11:33am On May 15, 2020 |
Apination: Jehovah (/dʒɪˈhoʊvə/) is a Latinization of the Hebrew יְהֹוָה, one vocalization of the Tetragrammaton יהוה (YHWH), the proper name of the God of Israel in the Hebrew Bible[1] and one of the seven names of God in Judaism. Below, is the name "Jehovah" at Exodus 6:3 (1611 King James Version)
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| Re: Acts 2:33 - One Of Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity Doctrine by Apination(m): 2:56pm On May 15, 2020 |
BIBLESPEAKS:God didn't call his name in Latin and the Hebrew writers didn't have the name written in the scroll correctly, so that it may not be called since God had warned them not to use his name in vain. The name of God was called once a year and by the High priest only. so whatever was translated was an error or a hybrid name. 1 Like |
| Re: Acts 2:33 - One Of Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity Doctrine by sonmvayina(m): 5:57pm On May 15, 2020 |
Aizenosa: Please I am at a loss, how can God be the creator and also be part of creation.. Please enlighten me..... I thought God is the creator of heaven and earth and everything in them.. How is he also part of creation.. I really want to know.. |
| Re: Acts 2:33 - One Of Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity Doctrine by BIBLESPEAKS(m): 7:54am On May 17, 2020 |
Apination: The Hebrew word for God’s name in the form of the Tetragrammaton appears some 7,000 times in the Bible. This suggests that God's name is very important in the worship of him, God delights in his name being used as it sets him apart. God himself inspired Bible writers to use his name thousands of times, and he directs those who worship him to use his name. (Isaiah 42:8; Joel 2:32; Malachi 3:16; Romans 10:13) In fact, God condemned false prophets who tried to make people forget his name.—Jeremiah 23:27. That being said, Hebrew writers had God's name written in the scroll correctly. Ancient Hebrew was written without vowels, using only consonants. The Hebrew-speaking reader could easily provide the appropriate vowels. The four letters יהוה (YHWH) appeared as God's name in the Hebrew scroll. After the Hebrew Scriptures (“Old Testament”) were completed, some Jews adopted the superstitious belief that it was wrong to utter God’s personal name. When they read aloud a scripture that contained God’s name, they substituted expressions such as “Lord” or “God.” As centuries passed, this superstition spread and the ancient pronunciation was eventually lost. So the exact pronunciation of the divine name in ancient Hebrew is not known. Some feel that the divine name was pronounced “Yahweh,” while others suggest different possibilities. A Dead Sea Scroll containing a portion of Leviticus in Greek transliterates the name Iao. Early Greek writers also suggest the pronunciations Iae, I·a·beʹ, and I·a·ou·eʹ, but none of these can be proved to be the pronunciation used in ancient Hebrew. Today, having the tetragrammaton יהוה (YHWH), we have all we need to pronounce God's name by adding the vowels to make it pronounceable (something which has been necessitated by the absence of vowels in the ancient Hebrew language). The form “Jehovah” has a long history in the English language, first appearing in William Tyndale’s Bible translation of 1530. If you study the relationship between the languages Latin - JHVH and English, you would come to see how inputting vowel letters resulted in "JEHOVAH". Some argue that the divine name should not be used in the Bible because it is not known exactly how to pronounce it in Hebrew. This line of reasoning assumes that God expects people who speak different languages to pronounce his name identically. However, the Bible indicates that God’s worshippers in the past who spoke different languages pronounced proper names differently. Consider, for example, the Israelite judge Joshua. First-century Christians who spoke Hebrew would have pronounced his name Yehoh·shuʹaʽ, while those who spoke Greek would have said I·e·sousʹ. The Bible records the Greek translation of Joshua’s Hebrew name, showing that Christians followed the sensible course of using the form of proper names common in their language.—Acts 7:45; Hebrews 4:8. The same principle can be applied to translating the divine name. Far more important than the exact pronunciation chosen is that God’s name be given its rightful place in the Bible. PS: Jehovah is the true God of the Bible, the Creator of all things. (Revelation 4:11) The prophets Abraham and Moses worshipped him, as did Jesus. (Genesis 24:27; Exodus 15:1, 2; John 20:17) He is the God, not just of one people, but of “all the earth.”—Psalm 47:2. Jehovah is God’s unique name as revealed in the Bible. (Exodus 3:15; Psalm 83:18) It comes from a Hebrew verb that means “to become,” and a number of scholars suggest that the name means “He Causes to Become.” This definition well fits Jehovah’s role as the Creator and the Fulfiller of his purpose. (Isaiah 55:10, 11) The Bible also helps us to know the Person behind the name Jehovah, especially his dominant quality of love.—Exodus 34:5-7; Luke 6:35; 1 John 4:8. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Acts 2:33 - One Of Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity Doctrine by Apination(m): 8:59am On May 17, 2020 |
BIBLESPEAKS:My God is Yahweh Names are important in Western culture. Parents choose names for their children after much thought and discussion. For the rest of a person's life, he is identified by the name he was given before birth. But the significance of names in our day cannot compare with the significance of names in biblical times. Ancient peoples understood that a name expressed the essence or identity of a person. According to Proverbs 22:1, "A good name is more desirable than great riches." In the biblical world, a good name meant more than even a good reputation, because it identified the character of the person carrying it. NAMES AND NAMING There are three aspects to names and naming: (1) a name identifies the character of the named; (2) to name someone means the namer knows or understands the named; and (3) to name someone means the namer has authority over the named. Identity In the ancient Near East, a person's name identified something about the person's character or his circumstances (e.g., birth or family). Isaac's name, "he laughs", described the response of Sarah, his mother, when God told her she would give birth even though she was elderly. Moses' name, from the Hebrew "to draw out", was given to him after he was pulled from the Nile River. The angel told Mary to name her baby Jesus (actually Yeshua, a shortened form of Yehoshua or Joshua), from the Hebrew "to save" or "savior", because "he will save his people from their sins" (Matt. 1:21). Knowledge To name someone or something implies that the namer understands enough about the named and its circumstances to describe it and make use of it. Adam named the creatures of the earth. This meant he understood each one clearly enough to describe its character and function. (In Adam's case, he also was able to determine that none of them was an appropriate mate for him, Gen. 2:19-20.) Our word 'classify' comes close to the activity of naming. So, when God tells us "I know you by name" (Ex. 33:17), it means more than that he recognizes us individually. Rather, it indicates that he understands completely who and what we are. This brings us to the final aspect of the naming process. Authority To name someone or something also implies that the namer has authority over the named. God changed Abram's name to Abraham (Gen. 17:5) because God had authority over him. Pharaoh could rename Joseph for the same reason (Gen. 41:45). This aspect of the naming process proved significant for the Hebrews when it came to their knowing and using God's name. GOD'S NAME To use God's name meant one understood something of his essential character and being, that one could identify and understand (know) him. But God is the sovereign Creator of the universe. God existed before anyone or anything. Who among his creatures truly understood who he was? And who had authority over him? Only God can understand his being enough to name himself, and he alone has the authority to do it. It was Moses who finally had the courage to ask God to give himself a name. In the Book of Exodus, Moses said to God, "Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is his name?' Then what shall I tell them?" (Ex. 3:13). God answered Moses by revealing his name to him. Meaning The name God gave himself has caused much confusion and discussion. Both its meaning and its pronunciation are not entirely clear. The Hebrew letters for the name are YHWH (vowels were pronounced but not written in ancient Hebrew), and they appear more than 6,800 times in the Hebrew Bible alone. Most scholars believe YHWH is related to a root word meaning "to be present" or "to exist" and probably meant either "He creates or causes" or simply "I am (that I am)," meaning that God did not depend on anyone or anything for his existence. (Note Moses' first question to God and his response in Ex. 3:11-12: God identified Moses as the one who depends on God. This passage would support the idea that God's name identified his independence of any outside being. That makes God the ultimate source of everything that was, is, and will be.) This identification of God meant that His name could be used only of him and for him, because nothing else could possibly measure up to such a description. Sacredness The Israelites were afraid to use God's name because they might use it in ways that he had not revealed. Instead, they called him "Lord" (Hebrew: Adonai), "God" (Hebrew: Elohim), "The Name" (Hebrew: Ha-Shem), or by some other title. After they returned from the Babylonian Captivity (ca. 500 BC) , they refused to use God's name at all, out of respect and fear for what it represented "the holy God's self" description. The people simply said Adonai whenever the sacred name was intended. Transliteration By the Middle Ages, few Jewish people could read Hebrew because it was no longer their native language. The dispersion after the destruction of the second temple in AD 70 and the Bar-Kochba Revolt in AD 135 scattered the Israelites around the known world. Soon they spoke only the language of the lands of their dispersion, and Hebrew was relegated to religious matters. To help the people read Hebrew, the scribes of the period (called Masoretes) introduced a system of vowel marks to identify the sounds that had always been spoken but never written. These marks were placed below (occasionally above or between) the consonants of the text. Now even those not fluent in Hebrew could pronounce the words. When the scribes came to the sacred name of God (YHWH), they did not want their readers to pronounce it because it was so holy. Instead of using the original vowel sounds (which were never written), they placed the vowel points from Adonai ("Lord" to indicate that the reader should say Adonai instead of YHWH. The vowels a-o-a were placed above and below YHWH. Later, the first a was changed to e, probably to prevent the reader from accidentally saying Ya (the first syllable of the sacred name). Unfortunately, Christian translators were unfamiliar with the Jewish people's respect for God's name. So to them, YHWH, with its e-o-a vowels, looked like Ye (Latin:Ja) Ho WaH, or "Jehovah," though that pronunciation was never used in Bible times. When we Christians use this name, we reveal our ignorance of our Jewish roots.Most scholars believe God's name was pronounced "Yahweh." Modern translations use "LORD" in all capital letters to identify it. This obscures the practice the Israelites had of using part of God's name (Yahweh) in their children's names. Any biblical name ending with -iah or -jah includes part of God's name, for example, Hezekiah, Elijah, Azariah, and Isaiah. Names beginning with Jeho- or Jo- also use a syllable from God's name, for example, Jehu, Jonathan, Joel, and Jehoshaphat. WHAT GOD'S NAME MEANS TO US TODAY Certainly, God understands that modern Christians use Jehovah because they believe it is the name God gave himself. Many other believers use Yahweh because it is closer to the Hebrew original. The main point is to recognize that only God is able to understand and describe himself. We are dependent upon his revelation of his nature to understand him. Therefore, we must use his name carefully. Using it to refer to things other than God, such as when we swear, is, in effect, to claim authority over God. That was Adam and Eve's sin and what caused them, and their descendants, to be exiled from the Garden of Eden. The biblical characters whose names included reference to God, and whose very identities pointed to God, should be our role models. What they did with their names, we must do with our lives. Every aspect of our characters, our very identities, must speak of the living God so that the world may know that he alone is God. Praise God that he revealed his name to us and granted us the privilege of using it for his glory! |
| Re: Acts 2:33 - One Of Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity Doctrine by Janosky: 9:26am On May 17, 2020 |
1StopRudeness:Point 1: 1 John 5:7 is a FRAUD peculiar to the KJV. Why you dey use FRAUD dey support FRAUD? Please go and research "Johanine comma" Point 2: John 20:22. ….” 22When He had said this, He breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. Bros, Jesus breathed holy spirit on his followers, Can God be breathed upon a man ? Trinity is a man made FRAUD.
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| Re: Acts 2:33 - One Of Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity Doctrine by Nobody: 10:22am On May 17, 2020 |
Janosky: How can u call yourself a christain yet claim a particular scripture is fraud ....then that means everything written or Spoken by John or said by another person that john said it is false.... You point 2 is baseless...asking me if God can be breath on man. U are just dancing around with words you are viewing literally...you are no different form niccodemus... When Niccodemus asked Jesus how can it be possible for man to be born the second time.... Jesus went further in john chapter three to say the being born again is like the way the wind blows and no one knows where it cometh from or where it goeth....it is a mystery of God If you don’t believe God can be breath on man, then u must not believe that God breath himself into man in genesis before man lost God through sin... Then U must not believe Colossians 1v19 that God released all his fullness into Jesus so as to reconcile man back to him.... Then u must not believe that God can be inside a person ... |
| Re: Acts 2:33 - One Of Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity Doctrine by Janosky: 10:52am On May 17, 2020 |
1StopRudeness:Point 1: Bros, the truth is bitter. "[b]Johanine comma", go and find out for yourself , STOP arguing blindly. 1 John 5:7 KJV is a FRAUD. Your objections can NOT change the truth. Point 2: The BOLDED is your own theory: Yahweh NEVER breathed himself into man. Genesis 2:7. John 20:22, Trinity claim holy spirit is God, that God breathed himself upon Jesus followers.  .Acts 2:33, you can NOT pour God into a human being, that's the point. You wanna shift goalpost because you can't deal with it John 4:24, Jesus Christ says God is a Spirit, you no agree. You say God Na 3 spirits. Colossians 1:19, you are claiming God released fullness into himself... very very pointless. Either you are lying or Romans 8:3 is lying. Choose one.. Na waa oo Wetin musa no go see for gate? .... . |
| Re: Acts 2:33 - One Of Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity Doctrine by Nobody: 12:29pm On May 17, 2020 |
Janosky: That’s the problem... u are overstretchimg the issue...1john 5v7..or trinity as some people like to call it doesn’t claim holyspirit is God... where did u see this.? Holy Spirit is a separate entity....just like Jesus is separate from God the father... did u even read where Jesus clearly explained how he must go away so that he can send the holyspirit, who will explain all things, comfort us, reveal things to come and also give glory to him and the father.( Jesus clearly used the pronoun “he” to describe the holy sport) . John 16v5-15.... I dont know what u are even driving at... u are sounding like u are mocking scripture... saying a verse is fraud.. what’s ur proof? Did the spirit of God tell u the book of 1 john is false..??.. u talking in a very weird way and u are not speaking like someone who wants to enlighten another... u are speaking like a condescending fellow... U keep claiming what I dddnt say, where did I say God poured himself into himself?? Please go and read your Bible... Mayb you are one of those that equate God and Jesus as same entity... Jesus is not God the father.... so maybe that’s what’s making it difficult for u to comprehend col chap 1, that for the purpose of reconciliation, God had to give all authority to Jesus....then, thats ur problem.. Paul makes that clear in 1cor 15v27, that God and Jesus isn’t the same person... if u like call that a fraud....continue screaming fraud.... as for romans 3v8....you are the one claiming boldly that a scripture is fraud, not me |
| Re: Acts 2:33 - One Of Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity Doctrine by Janosky: 4:10pm On May 17, 2020 |
1StopRudeness:Learning NEVER stops. Johanine Comma is one topic you can't afford to run away from.... Bros, why is 1st John5:7 KJV radically different from NIV, ISR, ASV, RSV, GNT, JB ? This matter no be child's play...... Ooh la la !! Does the Trinity have different versions? Most Trinitarians do not agree with your views. Bros, please give us your own definition of the Trinity, let's start from there..... Shalom. |
| Re: Acts 2:33 - One Of Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity Doctrine by Nobody: 6:30pm On May 17, 2020 |
Janosky: Bros, u are very funny, which one is trinitarians again? Trinity is only a word.. it’s not a doctrine...just like perfect will and persive will is a word coined out of 1 Samuel when god allowed the Israelites to have a king....which was never Gods original plan.. Trinity is just a word used to qualify or describe the unity of God the father, the son and the Holy Spirit.... please these 3 are not the same person/ entity/ personality The father: creator of the heavens and earth The son: the reconciler of Man back to God The holyspirit: God’s way of having his fullness in us at the same time everywhere, no matter how many we are. So far we believe....the father has promised this long ago from the Old Testament in joel 2v28, Jer 32v34, eze 36v27... Jesus only revealed him properly in john16... equally, the Bible is also clear about the function and operation of the 3 entities being the same, they don’t antagonize each other. Jesus made that clear in the epistle of john again... john only mentioned this in 1john 5v7 that right from the start these 3 have existed and they are one.....is this lie.??..... so just becos some people decided to give the unity of this 3 a name makes the entire verse a fraud....I’m still trying to get how u are calling a verse of scripture fraud... fraud to do what exactly?? Deceive people?? Collect money from them??. As to you question that why does 1john5v7 seem different .... are they not different version meaning the same thing, why is this an issue for you.?? is that not how the Bible is??. Let’s take it from verse 6, John spoke that Jesus came by water and blood, i.e his baptism and death...and he further said the holyspirit testified to this....i.e : at his baptism : the spirit descended on him as a dove testifying to the word of God that this is my son.... and also his death: thru replacing Jesus by the as he promised the holyspirit would come after his death and exit...And john stressed it further in verse 7... that these 3 are one... If u have a different view I’m all ears.....or should I say I’m all eyes.. |
| Re: Acts 2:33 - One Of Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity Doctrine by Janosky: 12:18am On May 18, 2020 |
1StopRudeness:Bros, if I understand you wella, you mean the Father is God, the son is God,holy spirit is God. No be so ? Shalom |
| Re: Acts 2:33 - One Of Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity Doctrine by Janosky: 1:05am On May 18, 2020 |
1StopRudeness: (1). Bros, as you can see, the first screenshot of 1John 5:1-7 has no iota of PROOF for your claim. Why ? (2). Bros, can you recall I have referred you severally to the [b]Johanine Comma ? I said earlier you can't run away from it neither can you wish it away.... The Johanine Comma is integral to this topic. You have to do the needful.. Then bring your findings about the Johanine Comma to this thread.. (3) Bros, the 2nd screenshot screenshot is not in accord with your claim. The other versions DO NOT agree nor support the King James Bible. Because in the words of a popular singer "something happened on the way to heaven" 1 Like
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| Re: Acts 2:33 - One Of Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity Doctrine by Nobody: 1:21am On May 18, 2020 |
Janosky: Now you are asking me if father is God, Jesus is God.... u sound like a Muslim... they like to argue the deity of Jesus... I’m tired... there are too many scriptures thats answers your question... even a baby christain should know this... |
| Re: Acts 2:33 - One Of Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity Doctrine by Janosky: 1:48am On May 18, 2020 |
1StopRudeness: John 4:24, God is a Spirit" , Jesus Christ NEVER said 3 Spirits. Dem MUMU people say "They don't antagonize each other. If you get liver to LIE to yourself and deceive your children that 1 is 3, no wahala Enjoy your FRAUD. 1 Like |
| Re: Acts 2:33 - One Of Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity Doctrine by Freksy(m): 3:04am On May 18, 2020 |
1StopRudeness: The way you analyzed his opinion on ACTS 2:33? I wonder why everyone avoids it like poison. 1 Like |
| Re: Acts 2:33 - One Of Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity Doctrine by Freksy(m): 3:30am On May 18, 2020 |
Apination: Do you agree with everything else he said about trinity in his post you quoted? Can you please marry trinity dogma with ACTS 2:33? |
| Re: Acts 2:33 - One Of Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity Doctrine by Janosky: 11:00am On May 18, 2020 |
Freksy:This assumption is faulty and incorrect. The fact is that The Greek word for Spirit "pneuma" (meaning ,wind, breath, spirit) is grammatically neuter. For this reason, the equivalent English pronouns such as "it, itself,which, that" are correct and accurate proper neuter pronouns for Greek Pneuma. ** John 7:39 king James Bible "But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)" In most cases,the KJV gave accurate rendition but in others such as in John 16:13,the rendition is DUBIOUS. For example, the proper neuter pronouns were rendered in Romans 8:16 says, “The Spirit itself [not himself] beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God.” Similarly, Romans 8:26 says “the Spirit itself [again, not himself] maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.” In these cases the KJV translators correctly used neuter pronouns because the Greek word pneuma, translated “Spirit,” is neuter in gender. Another example is Matthew 10:20, where Jesus says: “For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which [not who] speaketh in you.” Another is 1 Peter 1:11, which refers to “the Spirit of Christ which [again, not who] was in them.” The King James Version translators did use the proper neuter pronouns in these verses. Make una no dey DECEIVE yourselves. Trinity is a man made FRAUD |
| Re: Acts 2:33 - One Of Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity Doctrine by Janosky: 11:03am On May 18, 2020 |
Freksy:He is being dishonest and hypocritical. Ask him to bring proof that Jesus called himself by the name we call him in this part of the world. 1 Like |
| Re: Acts 2:33 - One Of Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity Doctrine by Freksy(m): 2:00pm On May 18, 2020 |
Janosky: Who analyzed OP’s position on ACTS 2:33? A scripture he said murders Trinity.
It’s Ok sir. |
| Re: Acts 2:33 - One Of Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity Doctrine by Freksy(m): 2:14pm On May 18, 2020 |
Janosky: I don’t think so.
He probably wanted all to know that every person has a name. You can address ’the father’ and ’the son’ by their names. How those names were/are pronounced may be immaterial. If the holy spirit is also a person, like ’the father’ and ’the son’, what is his/her/its name? 1 Like |
| Re: Acts 2:33 - One Of Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity Doctrine by BIBLESPEAKS(m): 9:12pm On Sep 02, 2022 |
Janosky: Trinity is a 3rd century pagan corruption of Christianity 1 Like |
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